360 has yet to sell 10 million units as of today.

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

There already over 10 million.

Here is 2 sites.

www.vgcharts.com

www.nexgenwars.com

Out of the hundreds of guessing sites out there.

There already over 10 million.

Here is 2 sites.

www.vgcharts.com

www.nexgenwars.com

Out of the hundreds of guessing sites out there.

Truth_Hurts_U

you lose points for citing those for credibility 

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

There already over 10 million.

Here is 2 sites.

www.vgcharts.com

www.nexgenwars.com

Out of the hundreds of guessing sites out there.

MorisUkunRasik

you lose points for citing those for credibility 

I know 8pt is hard to read, so I enlarged it for you.

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"][QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

There already over 10 million.

Here is 2 sites.

www.vgcharts.com

www.nexgenwars.com

Out of the hundreds of guessing sites out there.

Truth_Hurts_U

you lose points for citing those for credibility

I know 8pt is hard to read, so I enlarged it for you.

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

Flame1

Read this earlier. Interesting read though.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/microsoft/microsofts-channel-stuffing-comes-unstuck-251281.php

why would you cite guessing sites in order to prove they sold over 10 million. I can link asite that says the 360 sold 20 million but itll be a guess let it go
MorisUkunRasik

Um. Think... Or do I have to do it for you?

I'm proving to him that there are more sites out there that say 10+ million then just his 1 site saying, under 10 million.

Got it now? Or are you going to cry about sites again?

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]why would you cite guessing sites in order to prove they sold over 10 million. I can link asite that says the 360 sold 20 million but itll be a guess let it go
Truth_Hurts_U

Um. Think... Or do I have to do it for you?

I'm proving to him that there are more sites out there that say 10+ million then just his 1 site saying, under 10 million.

Got it now? Or are you going to cry about sites again?

those sites you posted holds absolutely 0 credibility. You can show any website that you want but if every site you post could have been made in an hour and filled with false info then it doesn't amount to anything. 

those sites you posted holds absolutely 0 credibility. You can show any website that you want but if every site you post could have been made in an hour and filled with false info then it doesn't amount to anything. 

MorisUkunRasik

***Twilight zone music playing in backround***

"You are in another dimention..."

Ok, I can see this is going into a circle.

Try not to chase your tail.

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]

those sites you posted holds absolutely 0 credibility. You can show any website that you want but if every site you post could have been made in an hour and filled with false info then it doesn't amount to anything.

Truth_Hurts_U

***Twilight zone music playing in backround***

"You are in another dimention..."

Ok, I can see this is going into a circle.

Try not to chase your tail.

you do understand that you could have posted a link to an all white site that said 360 at 10 million!!! because tahts what you basically did. MS has not sold 10 million to consumers get over it 

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]why would you cite guessing sites in order to prove they sold over 10 million. I can link asite that says the 360 sold 20 million but itll be a guess let it go
Truth_Hurts_U

Um. Think... Or do I have to do it for you?

I'm proving to him that there are more sites out there that say 10+ million then just his 1 site saying, under 10 million.

Got it now? Or are you going to cry about sites again?

this site is a wall street site, a bit more accurate than videogame fansites. it even does all the math for you. its kind of a long read though so i will simplify it for everyone:

MS was not going to reach its 10 million sold goal, so they forced more products through the distribution channels than the channel is capable of selling to the world at large. its called "channel stuffing". basically they forced retailers to take on more units than they could possibly sell by leveraging vista. once the units had been shipped to the retailers MS claimed they had sold 10 million. i know it ends in the old sold vs shipped argument but this proves you have to take every sales report (from all companies) with a grain of salt. it aso poses the question of why when there are several great games out on the 360 is MS desperately having to cover-up its slipping sales?

I think some of what the dude wrote could be somewhat accurate, and think that the 360 is around 10 million sold.

But I lost all credibility for the article when he stated that the PS3 is on track to out sell the 360 by the end of the year.  This dude obviously has a hate on for MS, and the article obviously show this.  He lost crediability with that hilarious and obvious outright lie.

Besides that, the harsh reality is the the inferior hardware Wii is outselling both the 360 and PS3.  And the 360 is outselling the PS3.  Wii will do really good for the next 2 years, but drop off after that.  It's graphics are really dated, but the control scheme will keep it in the game for a little while along with it "Mario" games.

this site is a wall street site, a bit more accurate than videogame fansites. it even does all the math for you. its kind of a long read though so i will simplify it for everyone:

MS was not going to reach its 10 million sold goal, so they forced more products through the distribution channels than the channel is capable of selling to the world at large. its called "channel stuffing". basically they forced retailers to take on more units than they could possibly sell by leveraging vista. once the units had been shipped to the retailers MS claimed they had sold 10 million. i know it ends in the old sold vs shipped argument but this proves you have to take every sales report (from all companies) with a grain of salt. it aso poses the question of why when there are several great games out on the 360 is MS desperately having to cover-up its slipping sales?

Flame1

Oh, so your telling me its like the Analyst prediction sites. A whole lot of guessing.

No one has solid numbers. But the marjory agree 10+ million. That's all I need to know.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]why would you cite guessing sites in order to prove they sold over 10 million. I can link asite that says the 360 sold 20 million but itll be a guess let it go
Flame1

Um. Think... Or do I have to do it for you?

I'm proving to him that there are more sites out there that say 10+ million then just his 1 site saying, under 10 million.

Got it now? Or are you going to cry about sites again?

this site is a wall street site, a bit more accurate than videogame fansites. it even does all the math for you. its kind of a long read though so i will simplify it for everyone:

MS was not going to reach its 10 million sold goal, so they forced more products through the distribution channels than the channel is capable of selling to the world at large. its called "channel stuffing". basically they forced retailers to take on more units than they could possibly sell by leveraging vista. once the units had been shipped to the retailers MS claimed they had sold 10 million. i know it ends in the old sold vs shipped argument but this proves you have to take every sales report (from all companies) with a grain of salt. it aso poses the question of why when there are several great games out on the 360 is MS desperately having to cover-up its slipping sales?

Funny thing here, is Sony with it's PS3 is doing that same thing, he even states this in the article.  Only figure that would be most accurate is sales of the Wii, because you still can't find a Wii on the shelves of stores for longer than an hour.

[QUOTE="Flame1"]this site is a wall street site, a bit more accurate than videogame fansites. it even does all the math for you. its kind of a long read though so i will simplify it for everyone:

MS was not going to reach its 10 million sold goal, so they forced more products through the distribution channels than the channel is capable of selling to the world at large. its called "channel stuffing". basically they forced retailers to take on more units than they could possibly sell by leveraging vista. once the units had been shipped to the retailers MS claimed they had sold 10 million. i know it ends in the old sold vs shipped argument but this proves you have to take every sales report (from all companies) with a grain of salt. it aso poses the question of why when there are several great games out on the 360 is MS desperately having to cover-up its slipping sales?

Truth_Hurts_U

Oh, so your telling me its like the Analyst prediction sites. A whole lot of guessing.

No one has solid numbers. But the marjory agree 10+ million. That's all I need to know.

at some point the majority of people believed teh world to be flat without much proof.  

The rate of sales of the 360 is not very spectacular. Only Lemmings cannot see it. As for PS3 and the Wii, it is too early to tell as these first few months can be misleading. The way I see it, Nintendo has already won, because with around 6 mil sold, and every console a profit, it is probably the company with the most profit from their console sales.azrealhk

360 sales are fairly good, PS3 sales are fairly bad, and the Wii is really good. 

We know that Nintendo has already succeeded in putting out a rather inferior fun console that makes money from day one.  But the real battle is 360 vs PS3, and this one can be much more interesting.  With the 360 winning virtually in every category right now, it's gonna be a long and hard recovery for the PS3, if it really ever recovers.

at some point the majority of people believed teh world to be flat without much proof.  

MorisUkunRasik

Oh, so your saying people arn't smarter then they were before. You have no faith in humanity. Past 120 years... Whent from wild, wild west to space and beyond.

Don't give me that "old world" crap.

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]

at some point the majority of people believed teh world to be flat without much proof.

Truth_Hurts_U

Oh, so your saying people arn't smarter then they were before. You have no faith in humanity. Past 120 years... Whent from wild, wild west to space and beyond.

Don't give me that "old world" crap.

......don't believe everything you hear is the point, especially if it has no proof

......don't believe everything you hear is the point, especially if it has no proof

MorisUkunRasik

Just like the whole under 10 million thing. No proof, just assumptions. Yet you keep on arguing with me. Do you like me or something?

Oh, remember in science class when they taught you to make an educated guess? To gather evidence and make your guess based on that evidence. It works most of the time believe it or not.

:lol:

Lemmings wont agree, they are in denial. X360 sales has been stagnant, thus the release of Emilk X360.

:lol:

Lemmings wont agree, they are in denial. X360 sales has been stagnant, thus the release of Emilk X360.

xxThyLordxx

To bad PS3 is pretty much dead in US, EU, and JP.

Consistency wins the race.

[QUOTE="xxThyLordxx"]

:lol:

Lemmings wont agree, they are in denial. X360 sales has been stagnant, thus the release of Emilk X360.

Truth_Hurts_U

To bad PS3 is pretty much dead in US, EU, and JP.

Consistency wins the race.

it took 15 months to almost sell 10 million 360s, to simplify the math lets say in 16 months its sells 10 million.

its taken 4 months to sell 3 million ps3s, at this rate when it reaches 16 months it will have sold 12 million.

and chances are that the sales will increase because (and lems will back this up) the ps3 has a small number of decent games right now so its not selling very fast as it will when the heavy hitters are released.

it took 15 months to almost sell 10 million 360s, to simplify the math lets say in 16 months its sells 10 million.

its taken 4 months to sell 3 million ps3s, at this rate when it reaches 16 months it will have sold 12 million.

and chances are that the sales will increase because (and lems will back this up) the ps3 has a small number of decent games right now so its not selling very fast as it will when the heavy hitters are released.

Flame1

To bad simple math doesn't reflect month by month sales figures. $600 and multiplat games are not going over to well with the casual market.

^the whole "the world is flat" thingy is a myth trying to make medival look boneheaded. SAilers way back in ancient times knew that the wolrd was round, and theyæve roughly managed to calculate the earths surface pre christian times. (look it up ;) )

 but that's not the point, the point is that MS is the only company that doesn't "keep track" on their sales offically. And that in it's self should be a warning signal imo. I think it was just a matter of time until certain MS strategies got in the spotlight. 

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

There already over 10 million.

Here is 2 sites.

www.vgcharts.com

www.nexgenwars.com

Out of the hundreds of guessing sites out there.

MorisUkunRasik

you lose points for citing those for credibility 

And WTH is informationarbitrage.com. It looks like a blog site to me. Not very proffesional.

[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]

[QUOTE="MorisUkunRasik"]why would you cite guessing sites in order to prove they sold over 10 million. I can link asite that says the 360 sold 20 million but itll be a guess let it go
MorisUkunRasik

Um. Think... Or do I have to do it for you?

I'm proving to him that there are more sites out there that say 10+ million then just his 1 site saying, under 10 million.

Got it now? Or are you going to cry about sites again?

those sites you posted holds absolutely 0 credibility. You can show any website that you want but if every site you post could have been made in an hour and filled with false info then it doesn't amount to anything.

Right, but we trust some random article over Microsoft's sales data? Give me a break. They passed the 10 million mark in systems sold - they told us they did, and until someone other than some guy with a vendetta and an internet connection gets some hard data, that's what we're forced to accept. It's the same as the "Waah-waah no one bought a PSP" crap I hear from the Nintendo fanboys - something on the order of over 20 million people have a PSP, it's the sluggish software sales and complete failure of UMD that was the problem, and that the DS is a more attractive platform to publishers (both in system sales and in software sales).

It's like when people were claiming the Elite wasn't coming - or price drops were coming - or that a PS3 price cut is coming in October, or any of the other crap - it's always "insider data" that doesn't exist, and a complete inability to say where exactly that data came from.

I think some of what the dude wrote could be somewhat accurate, and think that the 360 is around 10 million sold.

But I lost all credibility for the article when he stated that the PS3 is on track to out sell the 360 by the end of the year.  This dude obviously has a hate on for MS, and the article obviously show this.  He lost crediability with that hilarious and obvious outright lie.

Besides that, the harsh reality is the the inferior hardware Wii is outselling both the 360 and PS3.  And the 360 is outselling the PS3.  Wii will do really good for the next 2 years, but drop off after that.  It's graphics are really dated, but the control scheme will keep it in the game for a little while along with it "Mario" games.

 

AgentVX

:lol:

Lemmings wont agree, they are in denial. X360 sales has been stagnant, thus the release of Emilk X360.

xxThyLordxx

Whats to be in denial about the 360 has been out over a year it is selling like it should be. I love how cows talk soo much crap when their own system isnt even selling that great. I dont want to hear it was the fastest selling console in the UK or any other Sony spin BS; hell a week later the sales for the PS3 dropped 80 percent and 62 percent for software sales in the UK. This is for a system that should be selling way better due to its supposed "High demand" and "100 million" userbase.

The sales for the PS3 are mediocre at best in pretty much all regions; which seems about right since its an overhyped mediocre system.

This is a slow time for all systems to tell you the truth. The 360 is selling fine; I mean yes sales could be better but thats with anything. The PS3 again has mediocre sales and the system just recently launched I dont understand why cows are talking so much crap they have nothing to brag about at this point in time. If anything the Wii boys should be talking that system is selling very good and could most likely end up in the first place spot which is fine by mean as long as it isnt Sony.

So now blogs are credible sources of info now?

Jeez.

you have yet to find a grilfriend as of today

[QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

gmastersexay

Read this earlier. Interesting read though.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/microsoft/microsofts-channel-stuffing-comes-unstuck-251281.php

It seems MS is getting a little desperate.

So now blogs are credible sources of info now?

Jeez.

heretrix

Only anit-360 or PRO-ps3 blogs...;)

[QUOTE="heretrix"]

So now blogs are credible sources of info now?

Jeez.

tango90101

Only anit-360 or PRO-ps3 blogs...;)

But it's a BLOG. WTF? This blog is in no way connected to ANY Wall Street firm. He may work on wall street in some capacity, But I really hope people don't believe the actual blog is a corporate Wall Street blog. IT ISN'T. This is just one guy's opinion. 

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

Flame1

[QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

Dualshockin

please link MS' officially released sales figures..

all you EVER do is "guess"...:roll:

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

tango90101

please link MS' officially released sales figures..

all you EVER do is "guess"...:roll:

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

Dualshockin

please link MS' officially released sales figures..

all you EVER do is "guess"...:roll:

post them...

face it; you have NO "official sales" numbers from MS...

just third party conjecture...

spin it anyway you want, but the 360 is teh #1 console this gen...;)

[QUOTE="gmastersexay"][QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

-Sir-Poof-

Read this earlier. Interesting read though.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/microsoft/microsofts-channel-stuffing-comes-unstuck-251281.php

It seems MS is getting a little desperate.

[QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

tango90101

please link MS' officially released sales figures..

all you EVER do is "guess"...:roll:

post them...

face it; you have NO "official sales" numbers from MS...

just third party conjecture...

spin it anyway you want, but the 360 is teh #1 console this gen...;)

[QUOTE="tango90101"][QUOTE="Dualshockin"][QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

Dualshockin

please link MS' officially released sales figures..

all you EVER do is "guess"...:roll:

I agree with the guy BTW. I believe all companies do variations of this. BUT IT'S A BLOG. His data could be as inaccurate as a fanboy in system wars or one of the counting sites like Next Gen Wars or VG charts..Since there are no official numbers everything is an estimate which is not a good thing take as fact because....well, it isn't fact.

:lol:

Lemmings wont agree, they are in denial. X360 sales has been stagnant, thus the release of Emilk X360.

xxThyLordxx

Shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house... 

[QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="gmastersexay"][QUOTE="Flame1"]

http://www.informationarbitrage.com/2007/04/microsoft_phili.html

interesting info on the state of the 360 (sales-wise as opposed to games-wise)

says that as of the date the article was written (4/10/2007), the 360 has yet to have sold 10 million unit. the article says that MS employed "channel stuffing" to allow them to announce higher sales figures than were true. also explains why MS officially announced the elite at the end of the quarter in order to boost sales figures through booking reservatons for the new console version. MS is undoubtedly in the lead for this game gen currently, but tactics such as these have an air of desperation and you can only wonder how long will its lead last? the article also has a whole bunch of intersting info on the dealings between the manufacters and the retailers.

Dualshockin

Read this earlier. Interesting read though.

http://kotaku.com/gaming/microsoft/microsofts-channel-stuffing-comes-unstuck-251281.php

It seems MS is getting a little desperate.

And how about this? Read it here