Are you kidding me...? Now all of a sudden Gears of War doesn't count. System wars rules are such a joke.wmc540What. It was exclusive for, what, 8 months? Best exclusive there was. It's not SW's fault that it's going multiplat.
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Are you kidding me...? Now all of a sudden Gears of War doesn't count. System wars rules are such a joke.wmc540What. It was exclusive for, what, 8 months? Best exclusive there was. It's not SW's fault that it's going multiplat.
[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]If you don't own a next generation gaming system. If you don't own a godly PC. And you're in the market to buy ONE next generation system...
The Xbox 360 has a ton of AAAs and the Playstation 3 has a few AAAs too. That's just how I see it. If you're only going to buy one, and you're only going to be playing one system for a while, you got plenty of AAA 'exclusives' so to say.
GRAW is exclusive. It's quite different than the PC version.
general_KDI
And why shouldn't NGSigma be an "exclusive" as ti's wuite different from the xbox version???
not different enough considering it's still the same game but with better graphics and bonus content. graw is actually a different game.
[QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
MikeE21286
Maybe because it hasn't been rated :| or even announced
Calling NG2 a AAAE without even a release date is just as rediculous when a version of GeoW that could be released in a year or more, and most likely with significant changes, renderthe 360 version multiplat.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="wmc540"]It is so dumb including the PC in the conversation.wmc540
cause it's bad for your argument? :(
I don't care if it is bad for the PS3, Wii, or 360's argument. The PC shouldn't be in the discussion.
it doesnt matter if you cant play the game on YOUR pc but someone can so therefor your argument in null and void
I only buy AAA exclusives. All other games aren't worth my time.
I'm sorry, but that's what I'm getting at when I read your post. I understand that games cost a lot, so I can understand the higher standards of hardcore gamers, but why aren't we allowed talking about multiplats? One of the 360's key advantages over the competition is the fact that they've got nearly every multiplat under their belt. Be it Wii/360, PC/360, or PS3/360, they're all available on the Xbox 360. Dismissing the importance of multiplatform titles is devastating to the Xbox 360's appeal. I've used this example before, but it would be like dismissing the importance of mods to PC gaming as they aren't "real" games. It's ignorant.
I only buy AAA exclusives. All other games aren't worth my time.
I'm sorry, but that's what I'm getting at when I read your post. I understand that games cost a lot, so I can understand the higher standards of hardcore gamers, but why aren't we allowed talking about multiplats? One of the 360's key advantages over the competition is the fact that they've got nearly every multiplat under their belt. Be it Wii/360, PC/360, or PS3/360, they're all available on the Xbox 360. Dismissing the importance of multiplatform titles is devastating to the Xbox 360's appeal. I've used this example before, but it would be like dismissing the importance of mods to PC gaming as they aren't "real" games. It's ignorant.
project343
Welcome to System wars, where the only games that count are AAAEs. :roll:
One of the 360's key advantages over the competition is the fact that they've got nearly every multiplat under their belt.project343100% Agree.
The whole exclusivity debate is pointless, but funny.
I only buy AAA exclusives. All other games aren't worth my time.
I'm sorry, but that's what I'm getting at when I read your post. I understand that games cost a lot, so I can understand the higher standards of hardcore gamers, but why aren't we allowed talking about multiplats? One of the 360's key advantages over the competition is the fact that they've got nearly every multiplat under their belt. Be it Wii/360, PC/360, or PS3/360, they're all available on the Xbox 360. Dismissing the importance of multiplatform titles is devastating to the Xbox 360's appeal. I've used this example before, but it would be like dismissing the importance of mods to PC gaming as they aren't "real" games. It's ignorant.
project343
theres atleast one multiplat game that the 360 doesnt have...raving rabbids :p
[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
Verge_6
Maybe because it hasn't been rated :| or even announced
Calling NG2 a AAAE without even a release date is just as rediculous when a version of GeoW that could be released in a year or more, and most likely with significant changes, the 360 version multiplat.
Will it contain the core story? Yes......then what's the qualm there. You are grasping, seriously. It will include everything that was in Gears of War plus more missions and I believe faster framerates also.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
Verge_6
a game has always been considered multiplat the moment it's officially announced as such.
Even when said game could come out, say...two years after the first variant did? And if it could possibly have significant changes? That doesn't sound right.
Exactly. there needs to be a time threshold because at some point it doesn't really matter. Think Halo for the PC or Halo2 for the PC.
PD0 crap???? Hell, it was better then resistance. SuperMario_46
they are basicly the same same... a solid fps with nothing new to add to the genre but fun none the less... and guess what no ones opinion of two games ive never played will never change my mind unless i change it myself if i play either of them
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="wmc540"]It is so dumb including the PC in the conversation.wmc540
cause it's bad for your argument? :(
I don't care if it is bad for the PS3, Wii, or 360's argument. The PC shouldn't be in the discussion.
why? because you can't afford a really nice one? it's a gaming platform with some excellent games on it, why shouldn't it be compared? PC has been doing HD gaming for 10 years. might not have been super pretty, but it was in resolutions up to 1080p. PS3 is claiming to be a PC too, so should we rule the PS3 out altogether?
state your case sir. choose your words wisely.
[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
MikeE21286
Maybe because it hasn't been rated :| or even announced
Calling NG2 a AAAE without even a release date is just as rediculous when a version of GeoW that could be released in a year or more, and most likely with significant changes, the 360 version multiplat.
Will it contain the core story? Yes......then what's the qualm there. You are grasping, seriously. It will include everything that was in Gears of War plus more missions and I believe faster framerates also.
By the time it comes out it will be like Halo on the PC. Meh. So why bother trying to say it's not exclusive. In fact, we can all agree it's a time exclusive (a very long time exclusive). So if you want to play it today where can you get it?[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
mikasa
a game has always been considered multiplat the moment it's officially announced as such.
Even when said game could come out, say...two years after the first variant did? And if it could possibly have significant changes? That doesn't sound right.
Exactly. there needs to be a time threshold because at some point it doesn't really matter. Think Halo for the PC or Halo2 for the PC.
but somehow ng:s does count?
[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
MikeE21286
Maybe because it hasn't been rated :| or even announced
Calling NG2 a AAAE without even a release date is just as rediculous when a version of GeoW that could be released in a year or more, and most likely with significant changes, the 360 version multiplat.
Will it contain the core story? Yes......then what's the qualm there. You are grasping, seriously. It will include everything that was in Gears of War plus more missions and I believe faster framerates also.
Sorry, but my viewpoint is solid. I find it stupid to call a game multiplat when another version that could be coming outone year after it was released is announced, and when said variant could have significant changes.
And even when it IS released, people won't give a damn. It'll be like when Halo was finally released on PC. It's yesterdays news. News regarding Geow TWO will be abound, and people will still view the Xbox (360 in this case) as the game's home.
[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
mikasa
Maybe because it hasn't been rated :| or even announced
Calling NG2 a AAAE without even a release date is just as rediculous when a version of GeoW that could be released in a year or more, and most likely with significant changes, the 360 version multiplat.
Will it contain the core story? Yes......then what's the qualm there. You are grasping, seriously. It will include everything that was in Gears of War plus more missions and I believe faster framerates also.
By the time it comes out it will be like Halo on the PC. Meh. So why bother trying to say it's not exclusive. In fact, we can all agree it's a time exclusive (a very long time exclusive). So if you want to play it today where can you get it?epic said in a q and a at ign that they arereleasing the game THIS holiday season (geow) so i dont see why it wouldnt be considered multiplat (timed exclusive sure)
The PC should be out on its own island arguing with Mac users.wmc540
why? is it threatening your widdle xbox? :sadclown:
if anything people should consider the 360 an extension of the PC, with Games for Windows and live subscriptions carrying over to both platforms i don't see why people care.
are you all seriously so insecure that you can't stand to lose one AAA for the sake of argument?
[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
Verge_6
Maybe because it hasn't been rated :| or even announced
Calling NG2 a AAAE without even a release date is just as rediculous when a version of GeoW that could be released in a year or more, and most likely with significant changes, the 360 version multiplat.
Will it contain the core story? Yes......then what's the qualm there. You are grasping, seriously. It will include everything that was in Gears of War plus more missions and I believe faster framerates also.
Sorry, but my viewpoint is solid. I find it stupid to call a game multiplat when another version that could be coming out two or more years after it was released is announced, and when said variant could have significant changes.
geow for pc is supposed to come out this holiday season...if you think otherwise then your wrong
And the ps3 has no exclusive AAA at all. :|SaintBlaze
in ps3's first 2 years i expect at least 5 AAA exclusives...MGS 4, FF XII are pretty much guarenteed...then there still is Killzone 2, Little Big planet, Gran Turismo 5, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. All of which are likly to score AAA
geow for pc is supposed to come out this holiday season...if you think otherwise then your wronghyperboy152000
If there isn't a delay. And even then, it's releasing a whole damned year after its console counterpart. You really think people are going to care? Hell, by then, there will be news about Gears of War TWO.
[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]We discussed this in the past, no need to rehash it. We have to agree to disagree which kind of proves my point.
CaseyWegner
the pc thing?
Among others. I just re-read your thread and did notice how you setup your argument so that they can't be refuted. but then assume they are facts. Many are facts as structured the way you did, but the overal statement is still debateable.
Just to illustrate a point "a new gaming pc will break your bank and you still have to spend hundreds of dollars on upgrades each year just to be able to play the newest games" Well the problem there is the way you couch that and say you can play MOST new games just fine. But you fail to mention you won't play it looking like the video shows. So if I wanted to play supreme commander on a mid-range computer...how would the game score? The PC that should be considered in System Wars is the same one used to review teh games. How ever much that PC costs is how much should be expected to be spent to get the same experience the reviewer had. Otherwise a PC game reviewed as 8.5 may be a 7.5 on my rig.
maybe there's some wiggle room but the myth is still indeed refuted with a fact.
No it wasn't. The so-called Myth is that PC gaming costs a lot to get the SAME quality experience that the reviewer gets. or to run the game like the video shows. No one is interested in a game with medium settings. Sure they may be decent, but this is system wars and we are bragging about the great graphcis then we need to say the PC/video card required to run it is defnitely high-end. All games on consoles are ran at the best experience posible for the user (well depends on monitor attached, but that applies to both PCs and consoles). The PC game often needs to be ran on lowest settings or medium settings for many/most PC gamers.
When the review score reflects what the lowest common denominator on the PC is to play the game then we can call it even. In other words...Hermits don't brag about PC graphics on max...brag about them on the minimum requirements for the machine. Now if we want to just say PCs are more flexible than consoles, then obviously I agre and that's my point...comparing PCs to consoles is like comparing apples and oranges. It can be done, but they are both very very different experiences.
So the fact that what you say is a myth that must die...that myth never lived. So sure let that myth die because it doesn't really exist. How about the "myth" that I described? Or is that fact? if so we need another bullet on your myths that must die.
MYTH: "PC Gaming won't cost a lot to get new games to run at the same settings the reviewers play it or how the video shows it"
[QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]And the ps3 has no exclusive AAA at all. :|liquidus1snake
in ps3's first 2 years i expect at least 5 AAA exclusives...MGS 4, FF XII are pretty much guarenteed...then there still is Killzone 2, Little Big planet, Gran Turismo 5, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. All of which are likly to score AAA
certainly ain't enough there to keep me happy. out of that list i want maybe 2 games, and i doubt they'll be AAA.
[QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="MikeE21286"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]If we can already count GeoW as a PC game, when it doesn't even have a release date, then whynot start declaring Ninja-Gaiden 2 a AAAE for the 360? Sure, it doesn't have a release date, but we KNOW it's coming.
Verge_6
Maybe because it hasn't been rated :| or even announced
Calling NG2 a AAAE without even a release date is just as rediculous when a version of GeoW that could be released in a year or more, and most likely with significant changes, the 360 version multiplat.
Will it contain the core story? Yes......then what's the qualm there. You are grasping, seriously. It will include everything that was in Gears of War plus more missions and I believe faster framerates also.
Sorry, but my viewpoint is solid. I find it stupid to call a game multiplat when another version that could be coming out two or more years after it was released is announced, and when said variant could have significant changes.
What two words did I highlight? Could. You have no facts to believe that a version will be coming out two years after it was released or any facts stating that there are significant changes to the games.
I Know that the single player game will be the same game with the inclusion of extra missions on the PC and that the extra content will only be on PC. Your argument is littered with opinion and guess-work, and withan estimated release date of November 07 at IGN and Gamestop.com, one of your opinionated arguments just got a little weaker
[QUOTE="liquidus1snake"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]And the ps3 has no exclusive AAA at all. :|3picuri3
in ps3's first 2 years i expect at least 5 AAA exclusives...MGS 4, FF XII are pretty much guarenteed...then there still is Killzone 2, Little Big planet, Gran Turismo 5, Heavenly Sword, and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. All of which are likly to score AAA
certainly ain't enough there to keep me happy. out of that list i want maybe 2 games, and i doubt they'll be AAA.
so...want a cookie?
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]100% Agree.[QUOTE="project343"] One of the 360's key advantages over the competition is the fact that they've got nearly every multiplat under their belt.Heil68
The whole exclusivity debate is pointless, but funny.
Fabulous point guys..Very true. It IS fun to debate though.
i think the point of this thread is that the XBOX360 HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS and has 2-3 AAA's
the ps3 hasnt even been out one year so when u say XBOX's 2-3 AAA's > PS3 AAA's 0 ...... almost 2 years > 9 months?
huff2k
statistically speaking, the 360's launch lineup is better thanthe ps3's current lineup.
What two words did I highlight? Could. You have no facts to believe that a version will be coming out two years after it was released or any facts stating that there are significant changes to the games.I Know that the single player game will be the same game with the inclusion of extra missions on the PC and that the extra content will only be on PC. Your argument is littered with opinion and guess-work, and withan estimated release date of November 07 at IGN and Gamestop.com, one of your opinionated arguments just got a little weaker
MikeE21286
Even If the game makes the winter release, it is still a year after the release of its counterpart. People will be focusing on Geow2, and the 360 will still be seen as the game's 'home'. The scenario will be reminiscent of Halo's port to the PC.
[QUOTE="huff2k"]i think the point of this thread is that the XBOX360 HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS and has 2-3 AAA's
the ps3 hasnt even been out one year so when u say XBOX's 2-3 AAA's > PS3 AAA's 0 ...... almost 2 years > 9 months?
CaseyWegner
statistically speaking, the 360's launch lineup is better thanthe ps3's current lineup.
Ouch! THAT'S gotta hurt!
[QUOTE="huff2k"]i think the point of this thread is that the XBOX360 HAS BEEN OUT FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS and has 2-3 AAA's
the ps3 hasnt even been out one year so when u say XBOX's 2-3 AAA's > PS3 AAA's 0 ...... almost 2 years > 9 months?
CaseyWegner
statistically speaking, the 360's launch lineup is better thanthe ps3's current lineup.
that only a matter of opinion... and while the whole exclusivity debate is not opinion but more or less fact considering that if you can play a game on more then one system with more or less the same stuff its not exclusive no matter what platform its on... but in direct response to your post, when talking about scores your right, but the 360 still didnt have a must own AAA game until geow came out
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"]We discussed this in the past, no need to rehash it. We have to agree to disagree which kind of proves my point.
mikasa
the pc thing?
Among others. I just re-read your thread and did notice how you setup your argument so that they can't be refuted. but then assume they are facts. Many are facts as structured the way you did, but the overal statement is still debateable.
Just to illustrate a point "a new gaming pc will break your bank and you still have to spend hundreds of dollars on upgrades each year just to be able to play the newest games" Well the problem there is the way you couch that and say you can play MOST new games just fine. But you fail to mention you won't play it looking like the video shows. So if I wanted to play supreme commander on a mid-range computer...how would the game score? The PC that should be considered in System Wars is the same one used to review teh games. How ever much that PC costs is how much should be expected to be spent to get the same experience the reviewer had. Otherwise a PC game reviewed as 8.5 may be a 7.5 on my rig.
maybe there's some wiggle room but the myth is still indeed refuted with a fact.
No it wasn't. The so-called Myth is that PC gaming costs a lot to get the SAME quality experience that the reviewer gets. or to run the game like the video shows. No one is interested in a game with medium settings. Sure they may be decent, but this is system wars and we are gragging about the great graphcis then we need to say the PC/video card required to run it is defnitely high-end. All games on consoles are ran at the best experience posible for the user (well depends on monitor attached, but that applies to both PCs and consoles). The PC game often needs to be ran on lowest settings or medium settings for many/most PC gamers.
When the review score reflects what the lowest common denominator on the PC is to play the game then we can call it even. In other words...Hermits don't brag about PC graphics on max...brag about them on the minimum requirements for the machine. Now if we want to just say PCs are more flexible than consoles, then obviously I agre and that's my point...comparing PCs to consoles is like comparing apples and oranges. It can be done, but they are both very very different experiences.
well this argument totally fails seeing that NO consoles can run games with the equivalent of PC high settings.
also fails because your point just isn't true. most if not all PC games are reviewed based on recommended system settings, which is what the game is designed for. it's not like they use a dual 8800 SLI with quad CPUs to test it out.
also fails because most PC gamers aren't pure visual whores - they don't mind taking some concessions in terms of visuals to get an extra few fps to get an edge in multi. at least they have the option - unlike some PS3 games and 360 games that are set above their capacity and chug like fat men in a race for the Last Burrito.
also fails because PC games get score reductions for poor performance on recommended settings.
there are numerous other reasons why this fails.
PC will always be a competitor in system wars - that's the biggest reason it fails, you can all spout it out until you're blue in the face, but the fact is PC's are GAMING PLATFORMS. deal with it - m'kay?
[QUOTE="MikeE21286"]What two words did I highlight? Could. You have no facts to believe that a version will be coming out two years after it was released or any facts stating that there are significant changes to the games.I Know that the single player game will be the same game with the inclusion of extra missions on the PC and that the extra content will only be on PC. Your argument is littered with opinion and guess-work, and withan estimated release date of November 07 at IGN and Gamestop.com, one of your opinionated arguments just got a little weaker
Verge_6
Even If the game makes the winter release, it is still a year after the release of its counterpart. People will be focusing on Geow2, and the 360 will still be seen as the game's 'home'.
so basicly a game should be considered AAAE because it being ported to the PC a little over a year after its intital release on the 360 but sigma shouldnt be considered a AAAE because it was ported more then a year later on a rival console?....
No it wasn't. The so-called Myth is that PC gaming costs a lot to get the SAME quality experience that the reviewer gets. or to run the game like the video shows. No one is interested in a game with medium settings. Sure they may be decent, but this is system wars and we are bragging about the great graphcis then we need to say the PC/video card required to run it is defnitely high-end. All games on consoles are ran at the best experience posible for the user (well depends on monitor attached, but that applies to both PCs and consoles). The PC game often needs to be ran on lowest settings or medium settings for many/most PC gamers.
When the review score reflects what the lowest common denominator on the PC is to play the game then we can call it even. In other words...Hermits don't brag about PC graphics on max...brag about them on the minimum requirements for the machine. Now if we want to just say PCs are more flexible than consoles, then obviously I agre and that's my point...comparing PCs to consoles is like comparing apples and oranges. It can be done, but they are both very very different experiences.
So the fact that what you say is a myth that must die...that myth never lived. So sure let that myth die because it doesn't really exist. How about the "myth" that I described? Or is that fact? if so we need another bullet on your myths that must die.
MYTH: "PC Gaming won't cost a lot to get new games to run at the same settings the reviewers play it or how the video shows it"
mikasa
you go ahead and debunk that seperate myth. i'll stick with the one i did.
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