360 only has 2-3 AAA exclusives in nearly 2 years

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Downloading patches, worrying about hackers, installing drivers, upgrading GPU isn't exactly the same experience. Using a KB/M to logon isn't the same either. for the living room the console is the preferred gaming system for most.

hyperboy152000

they release patchs for console games now... installing drivers is as easy as poping in a disk and click a few "oks" and kb/m is much better then a controller

If you honestly think it's as easy to keep your games up to date as it is to patch a game on teh xbox you are sadly and badly mistaken.

its not like they release a 2 gig patch for my pc games everyday..im not saying they do that for console games but its not like patching a game is a big deal...you can still play an unpatched game

Not always. I've had games that needed a patch for me to even play it. Or I had to update my drivers to play it. Also games like Warhammer40K would release patches in increments, so I had to download patches 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.and 1.4 just to get it up to speed so I could go online.

360...I start game. it says there's a patch...it downloads installs and starts the game again. No fuss no muss.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

I hear crickets chirping as you try to refute the link I posted above: http://www.gamespot.com/special_features/bestof2006/achievement/index.html?page=7

Gears is best by fans and GS.Face it 2006 was the 360's year to shine in graphics. But now the PC has caught up and will continue to improve.

mikasa

you cant use opinion as fact....that was my whole point...untill you wipe off those fanboy goggles you cant say that oblivion for pcwas proven to look worse then geow

Casey care to set him straight on what is meant by fact around here. Yes all reviews are opinions but we are at GS and agree to go by their ratings. So fact is Gears won. Fact is Oblivion only got 1% of the vote...and that's probably only the most die hard fanboys of oblivion or teh devs of oblivion voting for it. Face it, gears was teh best looking game in 2006 and the PC didn't have anything that could touch it.

im not saying gears isnt a better game its popular for a reason...but you still cant prove me wrong that oblivion can look better on the pc you are trying to dodge my points like a fat kidagenst the army ina game ofdodgeball

Wrong, I did prove it. Oblivion only got 1% of the fan vote. gears won both the fan vote AND the GS official best looking game of the year title. So it's over done finished. That was my whole reason for trying to get you or the other guy to name one game. As soon as he committed to oblivion I dropped the bomb of ownage on both of you. Accept it and move on.

i can never accept opinion as fact, thats for fanboys like you to do

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

blackace

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]Wrong, I did prove it. Oblivion only got 1% of the fan vote. gears won both the fan vote AND the GS official best looking game of the year title. So it's over done finished. That was my whole reason for trying to get you or the other guy to name one game. As soon as he committed to oblivion I dropped the bomb of ownage on both of you. Accept it and move on.

hyperboy152000

i can never accept opinion as fact, thats for fanboys like you to do

We are at GS...we go by their rules. If you refuse...that's your choice. But trust me most that read this know you just been owned.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Downloading patches, worrying about hackers, installing drivers, upgrading GPU isn't exactly the same experience. Using a KB/M to logon isn't the same either. for the living room the console is the preferred gaming system for most.

mikasa

they release patchs for console games now... installing drivers is as easy as poping in a disk and click a few "oks" and kb/m is much better then a controller

If you honestly think it's as easy to keep your games up to date as it is to patch a game on teh xbox you are sadly and badly mistaken.

its not like they release a 2 gig patch for my pc games everyday..im not saying they do that for console games but its not like patching a game is a big deal...you can still play an unpatched game

Not always. I've had games that needed a patch for me to even play it. Or I had to update my drivers to play it. Also games like Warhammer40K would release patches in increments, so I had to download patches 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.and 1.4 just to get it up to speed so I could go online.

360...I start game. it says there's a patch...it downloads installs and starts the game again. No fuss no muss.

true theres will always be games that need patches to even play ill give you that, but i never said anything about playing multiplayer

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]that only a matter of opinion... and while the whole exclusivity debate is not opinion but more or less fact considering that if you can play a game on more then one system with more or less the same stuff its not exclusive no matter what platform its on... but in direct response to your post, when talking about scores your right, but the 360 still didnt have a must own AAA game until geow came outermacness

Wow. You must either not be much of a gamer or have some weird tastes when it comes to games. Are you saying that:

Dead Rising, Oblivion, GRAW, COD2, Kameo, NFS:MW, PGR3, FNR3, Burnout Revenge, Condemned, Chromehounds, Prey, Saints Row, Test Drive Unlimited, Splinter Cell Double Agent, F.E.A.R., and DOA4 were ALL bad games??? All of these were released prior to Gears and are great games in their own right.

Yeah, I guess I was just saying that people get WAAAAY too caught up in AAA status and exclusive status in SW. I know, if it weren't for those two things, we wouldn't have as much to talk about here in SW. The thing is - all of those games I listed, imo, were MUST PLAY games for the 360. I can't tell you how many hours I put into Chromehounds, both playing and tricking-out my Hound. Great, great stuff. Who cares if it wasn't AAA or AA? If it were on the PS3, I could care less, too since that fact wouldn't take away the great fun I had playing the game on the 360.

PS3 has none. :|

And why do games have to be AAA and exclusive to be able to enjoy them on the 360?

Baird-06

Agreed. Oh, and I can't stop watching that vid in your sig of RE5 - man, that game is going to ROCK.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

CaseyWegner

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Wrong, I did prove it. Oblivion only got 1% of the fan vote. gears won both the fan vote AND the GS official best looking game of the year title. So it's over done finished. That was my whole reason for trying to get you or the other guy to name one game. As soon as he committed to oblivion I dropped the bomb of ownage on both of you. Accept it and move on.

mikasa

i can never accept opinion as fact, thats for fanboys like you to do

We are at GS...we go by their rules. If you refuse...that's your choice. But trust me most that read this know you just been owned.

the only time im owned is if the cold hard facts own me... not sugared up opinions based on other people opinions.... i can call a monkey a damn turkey and all the opinions in the world can not say that my opinion on what i call an animal is wrong....but you know what can.... a damn dictionary.... i dont care for any of the bs you try and pass off...you simply cant prove the oblivion on pc looks better then gears... and i dont care how many people think one game is better then the other because thats not what im asking you to prove me wrong about....try again when your half way inteligent and realize this

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

mikasa

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

actually i have an inspiron 1705 with core 2 and 2 gigs of ram and i dont need to drop my res (1440x900) to play supreme commander...and i got it for free (as a present)

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Downloading patches, worrying about hackers, installing drivers, upgrading GPU isn't exactly the same experience. Using a KB/M to logon isn't the same either. for the living room the console is the preferred gaming system for most.

mikasa

they release patchs for console games now... installing drivers is as easy as poping in a disk and click a few "oks" and kb/m is much better then a controller

If you honestly think it's as easy to keep your games up to date as it is to patch a game on teh xbox you are sadly and badly mistaken.

It's not. How many 360 games have gotten patched since it's release. Maybe 3 or 4 at the most. How many PC games have been patched in the last 6 months after release. We don't even have to include MMORPG either. I can tell you it's more then 3 or 4 that's for sure. XBox 360 games rarely get patched. They get more downloadable content. For example Test Drive Unlimited got more online content for FREE. You didn't have to do anything but say "YES" to a question. In less then 2 mins it was done. With a PC game, you aren't even notified. You have to either check the developers website or go into the game and click on a few menus to check for updates. The experience is definitely different.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]Not always. I've had games that needed a patch for me to even play it. Or I had to update my drivers to play it. Also games like Warhammer40K would release patches in increments, so I had to download patches 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.and 1.4 just to get it up to speed so I could go online.

360...I start game. it says there's a patch...it downloads installs and starts the game again. No fuss no muss.

hyperboy152000

true theres will always be games that need patches to even play ill give you that, but i never said anything about playing multiplayer

Then what was your point again? I'm saying patching is a hassle on PCs. Sure some games do it better than others, but when you consider drivers, game patches and all it's just a lot more to deal with. And I'm saying that is a bad experience for most...most don't want to have to deal with that.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

mikasa

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

you're exaggerating.

[QUOTE="ermacness"][QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]that only a matter of opinion... and while the whole exclusivity debate is not opinion but more or less fact considering that if you can play a game on more then one system with more or less the same stuff its not exclusive no matter what platform its on... but in direct response to your post, when talking about scores your right, but the 360 still didnt have a must own AAA game until geow came outREVENGEotSITH

Wow. You must either not be much of a gamer or have some weird tastes when it comes to games. Are you saying that:

Dead Rising, Oblivion, GRAW, COD2, Kameo, NFS:MW, PGR3, FNR3, Burnout Revenge, Condemned, Chromehounds, Prey, Saints Row, Test Drive Unlimited, Splinter Cell Double Agent, F.E.A.R., and DOA4 were ALL bad games??? All of these were released prior to Gears and are great games in their own right.

Yeah, I guess I was just saying that people get WAAAAY too caught up in AAA status and exclusive status in SW. I know, if it weren't for those two things, we wouldn't have as much to talk about here in SW. The thing is - all of those games I listed, imo, were MUST PLAY games for the 360. I can't tell you how many hours I put into Chromehounds, both playing and tricking-out my Hound. Great, great stuff. Who cares if it wasn't AAA or AA? If it were on the PS3, I could care less, too since that fact wouldn't take away the great fun I had playing the game on the 360.

i know the way i typed my pov it looked like all i care about are AAA games but hell i play alot of non AAA games on my pc/psp/ps2/gc (i play my gba withthe last one) i actually find the most enjoyable to be rated A-AA here and on gamerankings

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

hyperboy152000

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

actually i have an inspiron 1705 with core 2 and 2 gigs of ram and i dont need to drop my res (1440x900) to play supreme commander...and i got it for free (as a present)

And your point? What about the guy that only has 1GB RAM or an AMD64? Or P4? What's he get to do to play the game at the same level you do?

pdz + forza 2 + graw = 3CaseyWegner

It's not. How many 360 games have gotten patched since it's release. Maybe 3 or 4 at the most. How many PC games have been patched in the last 6 months after release. We don't even have to include MMORPG either. I can tell you it's more then 3 or 4 that's for sure. XBox 360 games rarely get patched. They get more downloadable content. For example Test Drive Unlimited got more online content for FREE. You didn't have to do anything but say "YES" to a question. In less then 2 mins it was done. With a PC game, you aren't even notified. You have to either check the developers website or go into the game and click on a few menus to check for updates. The experience is definitely different.blackace

Huh? Just about every game that I own (18 in all) has gotten some form of a patch at one time or another (well, all of the online games). COD2, Gears (3 patches), GRAW, GRAW2, RSV, Lost Planet, etc. ALL have received multiple patches after release. Heck, COD2 and Prey were UNPLAYABLE online at release of the game and only until after being patched were they playable.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Not always. I've had games that needed a patch for me to even play it. Or I had to update my drivers to play it. Also games like Warhammer40K would release patches in increments, so I had to download patches 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.and 1.4 just to get it up to speed so I could go online.

360...I start game. it says there's a patch...it downloads installs and starts the game again. No fuss no muss.

mikasa

true theres will always be games that need patches to even play ill give you that, but i never said anything about playing multiplayer

Then what was your point again? I'm saying patching is a hassle on PCs. Sure some games do it better than others, but when you consider drivers, game patches and all it's just a lot more to deal with. And I'm saying that is a bad experience for most...most don't want to have to deal with that.

generally as long as your not setting up a brand new computer by yourself it would only be a hassle for a monkey to install drivers....is it an added step..sure, but one that isnt all that bad considering they update drivers only ever so often and not as frequent where it becomes a problem...and even so you can find almost all drivers for your system at microsoft update anyways

It's not. How many 360 games have gotten patched since it's release. Maybe 3 or 4 at the most. How many PC games have been patched in the last 6 months after release. We don't even have to include MMORPG either. I can tell you it's more then 3 or 4 that's for sure. XBox 360 games rarely get patched. They get more downloadable content. For example Test Drive Unlimited got more online content for FREE. You didn't have to do anything but say "YES" to a question. In less then 2 mins it was done. With a PC game, you aren't even notified. You have to either check the developers website or go into the game and click on a few menus to check for updates. The experience is definitely different.

blackace

you're not even talking about the game experience itself. you're talking about maintenance.

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

CaseyWegner

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

you're exaggerating.

No I'm not. I wanted to play warhammer40K on my laptop while on a business trip. I had to change an ini file to make it run after downloading indidual patches to install in order. Then I think I found a rollup patch AFTER downloading each patch and running it!

So no I'm not exaggerating at all.

And I wanted to play Supreme commander, but it stunk on my PC. I recently got a new one that can handle it though. But the PC wasn't cheap. So how am I exaggerating?

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

mikasa

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

actually i have an inspiron 1705 with core 2 and 2 gigs of ram and i dont need to drop my res (1440x900) to play supreme commander...and i got it for free (as a present)

And your point? What about the guy that only has 1GB RAM or an AMD64? Or P4? What's he get to do to play the game at the same level you do?

which leads me bad to one of my original posts in this topic.... YOUR machine may not be able to run it on high... but some ones computer sure as hell can

which leads me bad to one of my original posts in this topic.... YOUR machine may not be able to run it on high... but some ones computer sure as hell canhyperboy152000

Exactly! that's my point. The pc experience is inconsistent and not reliable. A review of one game depends on the reviewers PC. So to get the best experience out of the PC you have to buy new parts, update drivers, install patches, etc...

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]pdz + forza 2 + graw = 3Ragashahs

graw (pc) is a different game than the 360 version. ninja gaiden: sigma is ninja gaiden with better graphics and bonus content.

This is true for the little playhouse that is SW, but in real life the 360 has more then 2-3 exclusive AAA games for the format it competes against, "consoles". I know these little rules are made to have nice arguments and so you guys can spew "confirmed" "TLHBO" etc. Actually, why did I even post this?7thSIN

Because it's true and the way most people see it.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

It's not. How many 360 games have gotten patched since it's release. Maybe 3 or 4 at the most. How many PC games have been patched in the last 6 months after release. We don't even have to include MMORPG either. I can tell you it's more then 3 or 4 that's for sure. XBox 360 games rarely get patched. They get more downloadable content. For example Test Drive Unlimited got more online content for FREE. You didn't have to do anything but say "YES" to a question. In less then 2 mins it was done. With a PC game, you aren't even notified. You have to either check the developers website or go into the game and click on a few menus to check for updates. The experience is definitely different.

CaseyWegner

you're not even talking about the game experience itself. you're talking about maintenance.

Did he say Game ONLY experience? Or experience? for me it's the experience that makes it not worth it (in most cases). Of course RTS I have no real alternative.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

mikasa

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

you're exaggerating.

No I'm not. I wanted to play warhammer40K on my laptop while on a business trip. I had to change an ini file to make it run after downloading indidual patches to install in order. Then I think I found a rollup patch AFTER downloading each patch and running it!

So no I'm not exaggerating at all.

And I wanted to play Supreme commander, but it stunk on my PC. I recently got a new one that can handle it though. But the PC wasn't cheap. So how am I exaggerating?

because your experience is not a common one.

[QUOTE="blackace"]It's not. How many 360 games have gotten patched since it's release. Maybe 3 or 4 at the most. How many PC games have been patched in the last 6 months after release. We don't even have to include MMORPG either. I can tell you it's more then 3 or 4 that's for sure. XBox 360 games rarely get patched. They get more downloadable content. For example Test Drive Unlimited got more online content for FREE. You didn't have to do anything but say "YES" to a question. In less then 2 mins it was done. With a PC game, you aren't even notified. You have to either check the developers website or go into the game and click on a few menus to check for updates. The experience is definitely different.REVENGEotSITH

Huh? Just about every game that I own (18 in all) has gotten some form of a patch at one time or another (well, all of the online games). COD2, Gears (3 patches), GRAW, GRAW2, RSV, Lost Planet, etc. ALL have received multiple patches after release. Heck, COD2 and Prey were UNPLAYABLE online at release of the game and only until after being patched were they playable.

me too. Not sure what he was getting at, maybe he plays mostly offline. Which I have 2 360s and the one isn't online yet and it still plays all the games just fine. I have PC games Ican't play without a patch & driver update though.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]which leads me bad to one of my original posts in this topic.... YOUR machine may not be able to run it on high... but some ones computer sure as hell canmikasa

Exactly! that's my point. The pc experience is inconsistent and not reliable. A review of one game depends on the reviewers PC. So to get the best experience out of the PC you have to buy new parts, update drivers, install patches, etc...

so a 360 that scratchs disks or red lights after only a few months of use is considered consistant?

and its fair to ask that considering that we are getting into system maintance now and not just gaming

[QUOTE="mikasa"]No I'm not. I wanted to play warhammer40K on my laptop while on a business trip. I had to change an ini file to make it run after downloading indidual patches to install in order. Then I think I found a rollup patch AFTER downloading each patch and running it!

So no I'm not exaggerating at all.

And I wanted to play Supreme commander, but it stunk on my PC. I recently got a new one that can handle it though. But the PC wasn't cheap. So how am I exaggerating?

CaseyWegner

because your experience is not a common one.

Really? I think the review of Supreme Commander even warns you to get a high end PC (I know one of them did). And in regards to warhammer 40k, anyone that played the game had to go through the update process. And for the ini hack I did, I didn't just guess at it. I found it on a website that THQ runs that told me what to hack to get it to run.

So guess it's not that uncommon. In fact, just look at any game support site and you'll see how many issues there are.

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Reguardless, the 360's best game will have a superior version on PC in the next few months. It's obvious fanboys are upset about that.REVENGEotSITH

Damn right I'm pissed off about it - better textures, more maps, a new game mode, a whole new Act, the Brumak, and a level editor. I don't mind the level editor, but everything else...

That's what I call competition right there. Getting it first versus getting what's better.

Glad I waited.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]which leads me bad to one of my original posts in this topic.... YOUR machine may not be able to run it on high... but some ones computer sure as hell canhyperboy152000

Exactly! that's my point. The pc experience is inconsistent and not reliable. A review of one game depends on the reviewers PC. So to get the best experience out of the PC you have to buy new parts, update drivers, install patches, etc...

so a 360 that scratchs disks or red lights after only a few months of use is considered consistant?

Did I say it was? But I have had teh 3 lights 1 time during my life of the console (well 2 if you count the fact that they sent me back a broken one ). But I've always had to download patches, drivers, etc...to get a pc game to run properly. And a couple games I never got to work.

And my 360 never scratched my disc, but then again I don't move my unit while a disk is in it.

[QUOTE="mikasa"]How many does PS3 have again? 2 > 0JAMES_L_BROOKS

PS3 should have 1 but most ppl dont count SIGMA, and RFOMand Motostormshould be AAA if PDZ was... every game should be AAA if PDZ was...lol

Nobody cares what your opinions are on the matter, man. If it's AAA it's AAA. Simple as that. If we started allowing people to say whether or not a game SHOULD be AAA we'd never get anywhere. And besides, if you're saying PDZ SHOULDN'T be AAA, i can give you a whole bunch of games which SHOULD.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]which leads me bad to one of my original posts in this topic.... YOUR machine may not be able to run it on high... but some ones computer sure as hell canmikasa

Exactly! that's my point. The pc experience is inconsistent and not reliable. A review of one game depends on the reviewers PC. So to get the best experience out of the PC you have to buy new parts, update drivers, install patches, etc...

so a 360 that scratchs disks or red lights after only a few months of use is considered consistant?

Did I say it was? But I have had teh 3 lights 1 time during my life of the console (well 2 if you count the fact that they sent me back a broken one ). But I've always had to download patches, drivers, etc...to get a pc game to run properly. And a couple games I never got to work.

And my 360 never scratched my disc, but then again I don't move my unit while a disk is in it.

im not saying what some people experiance on the 360 is common but what your saying is that everyone has to go through what you went through to play pc games when its been a month since i patched a game (bf2) and even then it was an added map...not a performance patch

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"]which leads me bad to one of my original posts in this topic.... YOUR machine may not be able to run it on high... but some ones computer sure as hell canhyperboy152000

Exactly! that's my point. The pc experience is inconsistent and not reliable. A review of one game depends on the reviewers PC. So to get the best experience out of the PC you have to buy new parts, update drivers, install patches, etc...

so a 360 that scratchs disks or red lights after only a few months of use is considered consistant?

Did I say it was? But I have had teh 3 lights 1 time during my life of the console (well 2 if you count the fact that they sent me back a broken one ). But I've always had to download patches, drivers, etc...to get a pc game to run properly. And a couple games I never got to work.

And my 360 never scratched my disc, but then again I don't move my unit while a disk is in it.

im not saying what some people experiance on the 360 is common but what your saying is that everyone has to go through what you went through to play pc games when its been a month since i patched a game (bf2) and even then it was an added map...not a performance patch

If you want to play a game...any game that isn't installed on your machine. Let's go with warhammer 40k. How will you play it without a patch?

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Reguardless, the 360's best game will have a superior version on PC in the next few months. It's obvious fanboys are upset about that.TekkenMaster606

Damn right I'm pissed off about it - better textures, more maps, a new game mode, a whole new Act, the Brumak, and a level editor. I don't mind the level editor, but everything else...

That's what I call competition right there. Getting it first versus getting what's better.

Glad I waited.

Really? See, I don't understand that argument. I've been playing Gears for 9 months now and am still addicted to it - so much so, that the rest of my collection is gathering dust on it. Hundreds of hours of incredible gameplay. So, you are saying that I should have spent the last 9 months playing other games ONLY so I could have the chance to play 1 extra Act, 2 new multiplayer maps, a new game mode (which is going to suck btw)??? I just don't understand that logic. It's the logic used by Cows - just wait to play great games instead of playing great games NOW.

[QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

CaseyWegner

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

The graphics difference isn't even what I'm talking about. Having to load the game, patch the game, configure the settings so it runs smoothly on your PC, configure your controller or keyboard keys, make sure you have enough RAM andHDD space to run the game, shut down conflicting programs, deal with O/S Vista issues and bugs. With an XBox 360, I turn on the system, pop the game in the DVD player and hit the 'START' button. Yes, the experience is completely different and it's not the graphics. :roll:

[QUOTE="mikasa"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

hyperboy152000

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

If he's thinking like me...it's not really the game graphics that make the different experience. But the hassle (or fun to some) it takes to run the latest and greatest. Find drivers, install drivers. Break other software while installing drivers. Install patches. Still not getting the visual display I want time to go buy a new video card. Want to play supreme commander better upgrade to a core2duo and 2GB ram.

Time to play online. Uh oh, should I drop my resolution so I get a better refresh rate? With a console it's more everyone has the same level of system. Then you have the hackers/cheats to worry about which is way more rampant on PC than consoles.

actually i have an inspiron 1705 with core 2 and 2 gigs of ram and i dont need to drop my res (1440x900) to play supreme commander...and i got it for free (as a present)

You're one of the few. What about the people who don't have your same setup? See our point. Every Hermit in here thinks that every PC gamer has the PERFECT PC set up to run games like Gears of War & Crysis with ZERO issues. Sorry, but you are wrong. When Gears of War & Crysis are released, please check their official forums for proof that you are wrong.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

blackace

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

The graphics difference isn't even what I'm talking about. Having to load the game, patch the game, configure the settings so it runs smoothly on your PC, configure your controller or keyboard keys, make sure you have enough RAM andHDD space to run the game, shut down conflicting programs, deal with O/S Vista issues and bugs. With an XBox 360, I turn on the system, pop the game in the DVD player and hit the 'START' button. Yes, the experience is completely different and it's not the graphics. :roll:

Exactly! Glad to have someone else saying the same thing as it helps to articulate it better.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Reguardless, the 360's best game will have a superior version on PC in the next few months. It's obvious fanboys are upset about that.REVENGEotSITH

Damn right I'm pissed off about it - better textures, more maps, a new game mode, a whole new Act, the Brumak, and a level editor. I don't mind the level editor, but everything else...

That's what I call competition right there. Getting it first versus getting what's better.

Glad I waited.

Really? See, I don't understand that argument. I've been playing Gears for 9 months now and am still addicted to it - so much so, that the rest of my collection is gathering dust on it. Hundreds of hours of incredible gameplay. So, you are saying that I should have spent the last 9 months playing other games ONLY so I could have the chance to play 1 extra Act, 2 new multiplayer maps, a new game mode (which is going to suck btw)??? I just don't understand that logic. It's the logic used by Cows - just wait to play great games instead of playing great games NOW.

That's why I think they need to have a time limit that states whether a game is considered exclusive or not. What good does it do let's say getting MGS4 3 years AFTER it's been out on the PS3? see how this works everyone? But let's say MGS4 game out 3 months after the PS3 version then it's not a big deal to wait.

I say 13 months is a good cut-off to claim exclusiveness.

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

blackace

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

The graphics difference isn't even what I'm talking about. Having to load the game, patch the game, configure the settings so it runs smoothly on your PC, configure your controller or keyboard keys, make sure you have enough RAM andHDD space to run the game, shut down conflicting programs, deal with O/S Vista issues and bugs. With an XBox 360, I turn on the system, pop the game in the DVD player and hit the 'START' button. Yes, the experience is completely different and it's not the graphics. :roll:

you act like you have to do that each time you want to play it. it's a one time thing (usually)that doesn't take that long and isn't even required for most games.

[QUOTE="hyperboy152000"][QUOTE="mikasa"]Wrong, I did prove it. Oblivion only got 1% of the fan vote. gears won both the fan vote AND the GS official best looking game of the year title. So it's over done finished. That was my whole reason for trying to get you or the other guy to name one game. As soon as he committed to oblivion I dropped the bomb of ownage on both of you. Accept it and move on.

mikasa

i can never accept opinion as fact, thats for fanboys like you to do

We are at GS...we go by their rules. If you refuse...that's your choice. But trust me most that read this know you just been owned.

nobody reads anything you write and thinks that - if anything they watch with popcorn as you continually own yourself.

you keep forgetting that you have no point, and that gears of war and oblivion (in the way you're talking about them) are COMPLETELY removed from the context of your original post, and the topic of this thread. you were originally whining because you didn't think the PC should steal exclusivity from the 360 - and now what are you doing? just reaffirming what everyone knows, that you argue with no point - for the sake of arguing. and that you can't even ride a train of thought for more than 1 page of posts.

good work mikasa.

PC is still a console for system wars discussion - FACT. you are still owned by that original rebuke I had to your argument FACT. you keep on arguing trying to redeem something (god knows what) - FACT.

[QUOTE="blackace"]It's not. How many 360 games have gotten patched since it's release. Maybe 3 or 4 at the most. How many PC games have been patched in the last 6 months after release. We don't even have to include MMORPG either. I can tell you it's more then 3 or 4 that's for sure. XBox 360 games rarely get patched. They get more downloadable content. For example Test Drive Unlimited got more online content for FREE. You didn't have to do anything but say "YES" to a question. In less then 2 mins it was done. With a PC game, you aren't even notified. You have to either check the developers website or go into the game and click on a few menus to check for updates. The experience is definitely different.REVENGEotSITH

Huh? Just about every game that I own (18 in all) has gotten some form of a patch at one time or another (well, all of the online games). COD2, Gears (3 patches), GRAW, GRAW2, RSV, Lost Planet, etc. ALL have received multiple patches after release. Heck, COD2 and Prey were UNPLAYABLE online at release of the game and only until after being patched were they playable.

I have over 35 XBox 360 games. I remember COD2, GRAW, Oblivion& GoW having to be patched. I don't remember ever patching Lost Planet. I don't have GRAW2 or Preyand I have yet to play RS:Vegas. Maybe there are a few games that got patched, but no where near the numberof PC games thatget patched. I've had some PC games that received 3-4 patches within the 1st 3 months. What I'm saying it, it's not the norm on the 360 like it is on the PC. PC developers have released many unfinished games just to make their producers happy. Then spend the next 2 months finishing the games with patch after patch.

yet another thread that turned into a "pc does not count FOR ME because I like xbox better because I have no intelligence or im too lazy to enjoy the most technically powerful and advanced system with the most amount of AAAE games availble," debateout0v0rder

haha, you and mikasa must be close friends, you described him perfectly. :)

That's why I think they need to have a time limit that states whether a game is considered exclusive or not. What good does it do let's say getting MGS4 3 years AFTER it's been out on the PS3? see how this works everyone? But let's say MGS4 game out 3 months after the PS3 version then it's not a big deal to wait.

I say 13 months is a good cut-off to claim exclusiveness.

mikasa

But the gaming industry won't do this - they'd rather play us for mindless fools instead of treat us like intelligent consumers. The whole Assassin's Creed thing was a joke. Mercs 2 was worse. I agree that there should be rules laid down for when a publisher claims exclusivity. If you say a game is exclusive - that means for a set period of time (like you said - 1 year).

[QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="REVENGEotSITH"]

[QUOTE="mismajor99"]Reguardless, the 360's best game will have a superior version on PC in the next few months. It's obvious fanboys are upset about that.mikasa

Damn right I'm pissed off about it - better textures, more maps, a new game mode, a whole new Act, the Brumak, and a level editor. I don't mind the level editor, but everything else...

That's what I call competition right there. Getting it first versus getting what's better.

Glad I waited.

Really? See, I don't understand that argument. I've been playing Gears for 9 months now and am still addicted to it - so much so, that the rest of my collection is gathering dust on it. Hundreds of hours of incredible gameplay. So, you are saying that I should have spent the last 9 months playing other games ONLY so I could have the chance to play 1 extra Act, 2 new multiplayer maps, a new game mode (which is going to suck btw)??? I just don't understand that logic. It's the logic used by Cows - just wait to play great games instead of playing great games NOW.

That's why I think they need to have a time limit that states whether a game is considered exclusive or not. What good does it do let's say getting MGS4 3 years AFTER it's been out on the PS3? see how this works everyone? But let's say MGS4 game out 3 months after the PS3 version then it's not a big deal to wait.

I say 13 months is a good cut-off to claim exclusiveness.

there is no cut-off, you can't go using the old 'this is how it works in system wars, casey back me up' then go and try to make your own rules. if MGS4 EVER comes out on the 360 it's lost it's exclusivity. even if Kojima ports it when he's 90 just for the hell of it.

Gears is not 360 exclusive - get over it, m'kay.

I have over 35 XBox 360 games. I remember COD2, GRAW, Oblivion& GoW having to be patched. I don't remember ever patching Lost Planet. I don't have GRAW2 or Preyand I have yet to play RS:Vegas. Maybe there are a few games that got patched, but no where near the numberof PC games thatget patched. I've had some PC games that received 3-4 patches within the 1st 3 months. What I'm saying it, it's not the norm on the 360 like it is on the PC. PC developers have released many unfinished games just to make their producers happy. Then spend the next 2 months finishing the games with patch after patch. blackace

Your point is a good one - why is it that in the gaming industry (and only in the gaming industry) that it is acceptable practice to release unfinished product and sell it to consumers at full price? I agree with you that the PC realm is worse than the console one. Still, both suck when it comes to releasing broken software, with the intention to fix at a later date.

[QUOTE="blackace"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="blackace"]

That's the problem. EVERYTHING ISN'T THE SAME. The experience isn't going to be the same on PC -vs- consoles for many, many different reasons. What's in your PC and what's in Bobby Joe's PC 50 miles away are completely different then what's in the XBox 360, Wii& PS3. Moreso, what's in the PC's can be changed and modified anytime the user wants. The same can't be said for the 360, Wii & PS3. This is the point I'm trying to make.

CaseyWegner

you're acting like the difference is night and day. a small graphical difference isn't going to make a completely different experience.

The graphics difference isn't even what I'm talking about. Having to load the game, patch the game, configure the settings so it runs smoothly on your PC, configure your controller or keyboard keys, make sure you have enough RAM andHDD space to run the game, shut down conflicting programs, deal with O/S Vista issues and bugs. With an XBox 360, I turn on the system, pop the game in the DVD player and hit the 'START' button. Yes, the experience is completely different and it's not the graphics. :roll:

you act like you have to do that each time you want to play it. it's a one time thing (usually)that doesn't take that long and isn't even required for most games.

Yes even one time is too much. I hate changing the controller setup on console games, so why on earth do I want to accept it on the PC when it requires a lot more cofniguring. not to meniton you have to "tweak" it to get the best bang for the buck on each system.

You have to deal with quesitons like:
Shadows: High, med, low, off
AA: 4x, 2x, off
3d this and that: high, med, low, off
3d not that nor this: high, med, low, off
cool feature: high, med, low, off
Dead bodies left: Lots, some, none

It's a bit much. And what happens if you decide I don't care about seeing dead bodies...so I turn that off. Uh oh, what can I turn up to high now that I don't have dead bodies? Can I now put shadows on high?