360- why Live is worth the money

[QUOTE="TheJuiceyBar"] It`s worth it to me like i said, i rather spend 50 bucks a year then to have to pay a lot of money for a pc, i use my pc for porn only.subrosian

I spent less on my gaming PC that 360 gamers spend on a 360 Elite and a year of LIVE. As I said, you're making an arbitrary distinction between the PC and consoles simply to justify paying for an inferior online service. And yet, you feel the need to critize PS3 owners for spending money on what you believe to be an inferior platform and online service?

But, I should leave you alone to be (by your own admission) second place laughing at third place?

How long did it take you to put together this PC. And how much time a year does it take to install games, update Windows, and do other 'maintenance' on your PC? Just an honest question.

omg...whatever i dont want to argue over nerdy crap anymore...im just saying read up on these forums...there are plenty of forums saying how it is premium....dont ask for a link cause im to lazy to find one...KriBaby151

1. You call this 'nerdy crap'. Excuse me you are posting on a GAMING FORUM.

2. Oh pleae try and ARGUE your point - as you are pretty much admitting that you are wrong - of which you are.

I implore you to. Get this info on why XBL is 'premium' - not just because MS said so.

EVEN BETTER. Here is a TEAM XBOX link - where the EDITOR tells of why XBL gold is a RIPOFF.

http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1967/AN-INCONVENIENT-TRUTH/p1

A good read for someone like yourself.

How long did it take you to put together this PC. And how much time a year does it take to install games, update Windows, and do other 'maintenance' on your PC? Just an honest question.

thew13

2. It takes 5 minutes to install a game.

You end up waiting much less for load times, wheras the console equivilant you will be waiting twice as long on load screens - thanks to streaming off disk (oh you get texture popups too).

3. Maitenance is just the same as a Console. XBL auto updates, windows auto updates. Xfire updates all my games patches for me automatically, just like XBL updates games when you booth them - big difference is PC gamers dont have to wait while their sytem and games update.

Oh and PC gamers arent forced to update games - such as if the patch is a botched one.

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Yes there is more ease in a console, no doubt - but every person on this forum knows how to use a PC - let alone run a game, and update windows.

[QUOTE="KriBaby151"]omg...whatever i dont want to argue over nerdy crap anymore...im just saying read up on these forums...there are plenty of forums saying how it is premium....dont ask for a link cause im to lazy to find one...skrat_01

1. You call this 'nerdy crap'. Excuse me you are posting on a GAMING FORUM.

2. Oh pleae try and ARGUE your point - as you are pretty much admitting that you are wrong - of which you are.

I implore you to. Get this info on why XBL is 'premium' - not just because MS said so.

EVEN BETTER. Here is a TEAM XBOX link - where the EDITOR tells of why XBL gold is a RIPOFF.

A good read for someone like yourself.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="KriBaby151"]omg...whatever i dont want to argue over nerdy crap anymore...im just saying read up on these forums...there are plenty of forums saying how it is premium....dont ask for a link cause im to lazy to find one...KriBaby151

1. You call this 'nerdy crap'. Excuse me you are posting on a GAMING FORUM.

2. Oh pleae try and ARGUE your point - as you are pretty much admitting that you are wrong - of which you are.

I implore you to. Get this info on why XBL is 'premium' - not just because MS said so.

EVEN BETTER. Here is a TEAM XBOX link - where the EDITOR tells of why XBL gold is a RIPOFF.

A good read for someone like yourself.

[QUOTE="KriBaby151"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="KriBaby151"]omg...whatever i dont want to argue over nerdy crap anymore...im just saying read up on these forums...there are plenty of forums saying how it is premium....dont ask for a link cause im to lazy to find one...skrat_01

1. You call this 'nerdy crap'. Excuse me you are posting on a GAMING FORUM.

2. Oh pleae try and ARGUE your point - as you are pretty much admitting that you are wrong - of which you are.

I implore you to. Get this info on why XBL is 'premium' - not just because MS said so.

EVEN BETTER. Here is a TEAM XBOX link - where the EDITOR tells of why XBL gold is a RIPOFF.

A good read for someone like yourself.

[QUOTE="thew13"]

How long did it take you to put together this PC. And how much time a year does it take to install games, update Windows, and do other 'maintenance' on your PC? Just an honest question.

skrat_01

2. It takes 5 minutes to install a game.

You end up waiting much less for load times, wheras the console equivilant you will be waiting twice as long on load screens - thanks to streaming off disk (oh you get texture popups too).

3. Maitenance is just the same as a Console. XBL auto updates, windows auto updates. Xfire updates all my games patches for me automatically, just like XBL updates games when you booth them - big difference is PC gamers dont have to wait while their sytem and games update.

Oh and PC gamers arent forced to update games - such as if the patch is a botched one.

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Yes there is more ease in a console, no doubt - but every person on this forum knows how to use a PC - let alone run a game, and update windows.

Ok thank you for your honesty. So over about 2 1/2 hours to build your PC and install all necessary software. Then over 5 years time (that was the time period used by subI think in his argument) let's just say maybe2 1/2 hours of extra time for installs and upgrades etc. (This doesn't really matter justthrowing an arbitrary figure out there) So that is 5 hours of doing what to you might be part of your 'hobby' but to others (like me) is a pain in thebut just to play games. My time is worth more to me than the 50 dollars a year it costs me to avoid those hassles - It may not be for you or others, but for anyone to tell me I am getting ripped off because I choose to spend $50 on somehting they don't think is worth it - well all i have to say is I am sure your spending $50 bucks on many things I wouldn't think are worth it.

To all of driving age - do you change tour own oil? because hey it's much cheaper and everyone who drives should be able to maintain the simple things of there car, right? but is it convenient? That's what people don't understand, convenience has a value - to some it is higher than to others - 15 years ago I would agree about the PC, but hey i don't feel like building my own PC now (becuase really that is the only way to get your money's worth) - This is my work PC, no gaming on it (my work laptopno for that too) The PC I have at home has so much crap on it from everyone using it that even ifI upgraded the video card to play some decent games they would still run like crap - so there goes the everyone has a PC argument. Yeah i hae a PC so my kids use myspace, do homework, etc. and IO can check the weather, get quick sports scores etc. I rarley use my PC at home.

And that also applies to the ' you can hook your PC up to your TV argument" If I did that i would never be able to watch it, let alone play games. So why the hell would I want to do that. There are many things you "can" do, but doesn't mean themost people will or even that it makes sense for most people. CONVENIENCE - it means differnt things to different people

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="thew13"]

How long did it take you to put together this PC. And how much time a year does it take to install games, update Windows, and do other 'maintenance' on your PC? Just an honest question.

thew13

2. It takes 5 minutes to install a game.

You end up waiting much less for load times, wheras the console equivilant you will be waiting twice as long on load screens - thanks to streaming off disk (oh you get texture popups too).

3. Maitenance is just the same as a Console. XBL auto updates, windows auto updates. Xfire updates all my games patches for me automatically, just like XBL updates games when you booth them - big difference is PC gamers dont have to wait while their sytem and games update.

Oh and PC gamers arent forced to update games - such as if the patch is a botched one.

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Yes there is more ease in a console, no doubt - but every person on this forum knows how to use a PC - let alone run a game, and update windows.

Ok thank you for your honesty. So over about 2 1/2 hours to build your PC and install all necessary software. Then over 5 years time (that was the time period used by subI think in his argument) let's just say maybe2 1/2 hours of extra time for installs and upgrades etc. (This doesn't really matter justthrowing an arbitrary figure out there) So that is 5 hours of doing what to you might be part of your 'hobby' but to others (like me) is a pain in thebut just to play games. My time is worth more to me than the 50 dollars a year it costs me to avoid those hassles - It may not be for you or others, but for anyone to tell me I am getting ripped off because I choose to spend $50 on somehting they don't think is worth it - well all i have to say is I am sure your spending $50 bucks on many things I wouldn't think are worth it.

Your $50 a year for XBL is not designed nor relevent in the pursuit of eliminating the time spent to set up a PC and install software. It's a completely different issue.

You could have that convienence by being an XBL silver member.

Ok thank you for your honesty. So over about 2 1/2 hours to build your PC and install all necessary software. Then over 5 years time (that was the time period used by subI think in his argument) let's just say maybe2 1/2 hours of extra time for installs and upgrades etc. (This doesn't really matter justthrowing an arbitrary figure out there) So that is 5 hours of doing what to you might be part of your 'hobby' but to others (like me) is a pain in thebut just to play games. My time is worth more to me than the 50 dollars a year it costs me to avoid those hassles - It may not be for you or others, but for anyone to tell me I am getting ripped off because I choose to spend $50 on somehting they don't think is worth it - well all i have to say is I am sure your spending $50 bucks on many things I wouldn't think are worth it.

thew13

The thing with a gaming PC is that the time you spend updating stuff ect. - is exactly the same as what a normal PC user would spend updating ect.

When it adds up you actually spend less time fiddling overall with a gaming PC. Seriously. Your normal PC useage and gaming are together - and loading times, updating, and serivices like digital distribution of games means you spend alot less time waiting, not to mention you are free to do what you want while you are updating or donwloading a new game.

Still if you rather the 360 - what can I say - I cant disagree with your own preferance.

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however

XbL is a great serivice - i cant disagaree - but you are spending your money on literally nothing. Honestly.Thats the sad reality of it.

Spending that $50 doesent do anything but give you acess to play the games you already bought online.
You are not saving any more time by spending $50 for XBL......

Seriously check out this article from Team Xbox too: http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1967/AN-INCONVENIENT-TRUTH/p1

I didn't read anything in the thread, I will admit that. But regardless of what was said, Live is worth the money to me. If you used it like I do, it would be worth it for you, too.musicalmac

I suppose the point of this thread was to prompt gamers to ask WHY they were being charged this fee, even though alternative platforms like the PC provide a superior experience yet no online fees.

Obviously this question wasn't really explored.

I suppose the point of this thread was to prompt gamers to ask WHY they were being charged this fee, even though alternative platforms like the PC provide a superior experience yet no online fees.

Obviously this question wasn't really explored.

Danm_999

I suppose the point of this thread was to prompt gamers to ask WHY they were being charged this fee, even though alternative platforms like the PC provide a superior experience yet no online fees.

Obviously this question wasn't really explored.

Danm_999

Its either blind brand loyalty or simply no knowledge of other Superior free services.

Its like a sad joke.

XBLG fee is inexcusiable and a scam. Nuff said.

• Gamer zone
• Rep
• Prefer/avoid
• Feedback

• Preference-based with the features listed above
• Skill-based using the proprietary TruSkill system

Functional cross-game invite system that brings you straight into a friend's session

Closed, secure network that actively checks for modded consoles

Compared to the competition, MS seems to be the best connected to its community

• There's MS personnel dedicated to the Xbox Live community like Major Nelson and Trixie
• They have MVP, Ambassador and Community Developer Programs. See the gamercards in our sigs? MS didn't make those. But they do have their programmers help community sites.
• Community Calendar with Ladies Night, Prime Time and Family Game Night, Game With Fame

[QUOTE="Danm_999"]

I suppose the point of this thread was to prompt gamers to ask WHY they were being charged this fee, even though alternative platforms like the PC provide a superior experience yet no online fees.

Obviously this question wasn't really explored.

skrat_01

Its either blind brand loyalty or simply no knowledge of other Superior free services.

Its like a sad joke.

[QUOTE="thew13"]

Ok thank you for your honesty. So over about 2 1/2 hours to build your PC and install all necessary software. Then over 5 years time (that was the time period used by subI think in his argument) let's just say maybe2 1/2 hours of extra time for installs and upgrades etc. (This doesn't really matter justthrowing an arbitrary figure out there) So that is 5 hours of doing what to you might be part of your 'hobby' but to others (like me) is a pain in thebut just to play games. My time is worth more to me than the 50 dollars a year it costs me to avoid those hassles - It may not be for you or others, but for anyone to tell me I am getting ripped off because I choose to spend $50 on somehting they don't think is worth it - well all i have to say is I am sure your spending $50 bucks on many things I wouldn't think are worth it.

skrat_01

The thing with a gaming PC is that the time you spend updating stuff ect. - is exactly the same as what a normal PC user would spend updating ect.

When it adds up you actually spend less time fiddling overall with a gaming PC. Seriously. Your normal PC useage and gaming are together - and loading times, updating, and serivices like digital distribution of games means you spend alot less time waiting, not to mention you are free to do what you want while you are updating or donwloading a new game.

Still if you rather the 360 - what can I say - I cant disagree with your own preferance.

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however

XbL is a great serivice - i cant disagaree - but you are spending your money on literally nothing. Honestly.Thats the sad reality of it.

Spending that $50 doesent do anything but give you acess to play the games you already bought online.
You are not saving any more time by spending $50 for XBL......

Seriously check out this article from Team Xbox too: http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1967/AN-INCONVENIENT-TRUTH/p1

Just responding to the argument that PC onlione is better and is free - but it's not as convenient to some people.(edited my initial post that you have quoted here).10 years ago when I was into building and tweaking PC's I would feel that way, but now, not so much. My point is that is everyone individual preference and you can't say that is a ripoff for someone else just becuase it is to you.

SCREW IT.

TEAM XBOX CAN FIGHT MY FIGHT.

if this doesent make anyone realise - your own hardcore xbox fan bretheran - god knows what will

link:

http://editorials.teamxbox.com/xbox/1967/AN-INCONVENIENT-TRUTH/p1

AN INCONVENIENT TRUTH

I dont think it's worth $50. It's hands-down better than PSN, and a lot of cows will try to defy logic and tell you that Sony are happily making a better service free of charge, but on Earth, xbox live is years ahead of PSN. It isn't $50 better though. The benefits are pretty much the epic amount of content you can download with trailers, tv shows, movies, demos and arcade games, and the actual online play itself. You can always get a game so long as someone else is available to play, every game has voice-chat, ranked games and social games, and everything is unified into one profile whereby you can view anyone's gamer card and see every game they've ever played, and compare their progress on a given game to yours, see what game they're playing now, right down to what street their on in crackdown.

It's just a better, more fleshed-out service which will always give you a quality gaming session. But i'm not happy about paying $50 for it. If it were $20, ok. If every game ran off dedicated servers, i'd pay $50

Just responding to the argument that PC onlione is better and is free - but it's not as convenient to some people. 10 years ago when I was into building and tweaking PC's I would feel that way, but now, not so much. My point is that is everyone individual preference and you can't say that is a ripoff for someone else just becuase it is to you.

thew13

Just like somthing like - Bottled water.

Read my post above.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="Danm_999"]

I suppose the point of this thread was to prompt gamers to ask WHY they were being charged this fee, even though alternative platforms like the PC provide a superior experience yet no online fees.

Obviously this question wasn't really explored.

musicalmac

Its either blind brand loyalty or simply no knowledge of other Superior free services.

Its like a sad joke.

Live IS the best console interface bar none.

The fact is you SHOULDENT be PAYING to play YOUR GAMES YOU ALREADY BOUGHT ONLINE.

Jeeez people.

SCREW IT.

{EDITORIAL} skrat_01

When Live was introduced in 2002 it was $50.00 a year and had the most online features when compared to the other consoles. I would say Xbox Live has made online gaming extremely popular on consoles. There are more playing multiplat games on Xbox Live than on the PC. Dreamcast had online play but that was over $100 a year since you had to subscribe to seganet and the service was crappy. It's been 5 years and the Xbox Live features has increased but the price remains the same.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

SCREW IT.

{EDITORIAL} musicalmac

Have you know to use live - it is free - its to play the games over gold that is a ripoff.

Thats why im ranting.

Xbox Live is good for 15 year old kids with ADHD who watch G4 and drink Halo 3 Mountain Dew.Jared2720

[QUOTE="thew13"]

Just responding to the argument that PC onlione is better and is free - but it's not as convenient to some people. 10 years ago when I was into building and tweaking PC's I would feel that way, but now, not so much. My point is that is everyone individual preference and you can't say that is a ripoff for someone else just becuase it is to you.

skrat_01

Just like somthing like - Bottled water.

Read my post above.

And with that you proved my point - to some bottled water is worth it - not to me or you, but to others. You and I can scream all day that they are getting ripped off, but they like the taste and convenience, so to them it is worth it.

When Live was introduced in 2002 it was $50.00 a year and had the most online features when compared to the other consoles. I would say Xbox Live has made online gaming extremely popular on consoles. There are more playing multiplat games on Xbox Live than on the PC. Dreamcast had online play but that was over $100 a year since you had to subscribe to seganet and the service was crappy. It's been 5 years and the Xbox Live features has increased but the price remains the same.

Deihmos

Exactly... and it's worth it for reasons I posted earlier in this very thread, but was conveniently ignored.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="thew13"]

Just responding to the argument that PC onlione is better and is free - but it's not as convenient to some people. 10 years ago when I was into building and tweaking PC's I would feel that way, but now, not so much. My point is that is everyone individual preference and you can't say that is a ripoff for someone else just becuase it is to you.

thew13

Just like somthing like - Bottled water.

Read my post above.

And with that you proved my point - to some bottled water is worth it - not to me or you, but toothers. You and I can scream all day that they are getting ripped off, but they like the taste and convenience, so to them it is worth it.

The XBOX LIVE serivice is conveniant.

But that is NOT what you are paying for.

Live is FREE with silver. Yes FREE to use.

You PAY GOLD to PLAY your games ONLINE.

That makes it a ripoff.

If you were paying for a better interface or extra super duper features i'd agree with you.

[QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

SCREW IT.

{EDITORIAL} skrat_01

Have you know to use live - it is free - its to play the games over gold that is a ripoff.

Thats why im ranting.

[QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="musicalmac"][QUOTE="skrat_01"]

SCREW IT.

{EDITORIAL} musicalmac

Have you know to use live - it is free - its to play the games over gold that is a ripoff.

Thats why im ranting.

Well after over a decade of gaming online with the knowlege that I buy my game, and out of the box I can play it online - and have great fun experiences online with friends, XBLG suddenly makes you PAY more to be allowed to have these experiences with friends (no not pay to use the live service).

Like i said. Live is good.

The very purpose of the fee is rediculous.

[QUOTE="thew13"][QUOTE="skrat_01"][QUOTE="thew13"]

Just responding to the argument that PC onlione is better and is free - but it's not as convenient to some people. 10 years ago when I was into building and tweaking PC's I would feel that way, but now, not so much. My point is that is everyone individual preference and you can't say that is a ripoff for someone else just becuase it is to you.

skrat_01

Just like somthing like - Bottled water.

Read my post above.

And with that you proved my point - to some bottled water is worth it - not to me or you, but toothers. You and I can scream all day that they are getting ripped off, but they like the taste and convenience, so to them it is worth it.

The XBOX LIVE serivice is conveniant.

But that is NOT what you are paying for.

Live is FREE with silver. Yes FREE to use.

You PAY GOLD to PLAY your games ONLINE.

That makes it a ripoff.

If you were paying for a better interface or extra super duper features i'd agree with you.

Two wonderful examples.

I buy World in Conflict. I install it - I can play singleplayer, lan, and games online (forever) - with updates, new features, units, maps (free) ect. hooray!

I buy Halo 3. I can play singleplayer, lan - but when I want to play online I suddenly have to drop $100 AUD extra (that is the price of Halo 3 itself) on upgrading to XBLG (for 12 months) to play the game online. (oh dont get me started on paying for more content - differnt argument).

See the big difference here?

This is what makes XBLG a joke. Its not LIVE at all - it is free and all good - its that you are paying ontop of your game to play it online.

See your changing the argument - my response was to counter the the PC does online better for free. My counter was that in order to play the free online on the PC, you need to build that PC(becasue that is the only way to make it cheap enough to make the free online worth it), but to most people that wasn't convenient. thew13

Water here in my country is free. No mater where you go its free at bars resteraunts ect. Yet Bottled water is sold for a price tag - even though the water it contains is free everwhere else. You are PAYING to drink what should be free water.

Now look at my previous post.

You havent told me im wrong.

You are paying ontop of your game to be allowed to play it online - even though the online comes with the game and is free everywhere else.

Please, can you see what im getting at?

its got nothing to do with 'time' and 'conveniance' ect.

Cmon its so bloody logical and obivius its shocking so many people havent caught on.

[QUOTE="thew13"]See your changing the argument - my response was to counter the the PC does online better for free. My counter was that in order to play the free online on the PC, you need to build that PC(becasue that is the only way to make it cheap enough to make the free online worth it), but to most people that wasn't convenient. skrat_01

Water here in my country is free. No mater where you go its free at bars resteraunts ect. Yet Bottled water is sold for a price tag - even though the water it contains is free everwhere else. You are PAYING to drink what should be free water.

Now look at my previous post.

You havent told me im wrong.

You are paying ontop of your game to be allowed to play it online - even though the online comes with the game and is free everywhere else.

Please, can you see what im getting at?

its got nothing to do with 'time' and 'conveniance' ect.

Cmon its so bloody logical and obivius its shocking so many people havent caught on.

Never tried to say you were wrong. My point is to some people paying $50, or whatever the price is, to play online games with people they know - (you keep using that teamxbox article, which states that in 2001 it was worth it. I have peopleI met thorough XBL back then thatI still play with today), in a convenient way(to somegaming on PC is not convenient, myself included), that is better service than the other convenient one(PSN), is worth it(me) and to others it isn't(you). Nobody is right or wrong, it is individual preference.

[QUOTE="thew13"]See your changing the argument - my response was to counter the the PC does online better for free. My counter was that in order to play the free online on the PC, you need to build that PC(becasue that is the only way to make it cheap enough to make the free online worth it), but to most people that wasn't convenient. skrat_01

Water here in my country is free. No mater where you go its free at bars resteraunts ect. Yet Bottled water is sold for a price tag - even though the water it contains is free everwhere else. You are PAYING to drink what should be free water.

Now look at my previous post.

You havent told me im wrong.

You are paying ontop of your game to be allowed to play it online - even though the online comes with the game and is free everywhere else.

Please, can you see what im getting at?

its got nothing to do with 'time' and 'conveniance' ect.

Cmon its so bloody logical and obivius its shocking so many people havent caught on.

Never tried to say you were wrong. My point is to some people paying $50, or whatever the price is, to play online games with people they know - (you keep using that teamxbox article, which states that in 2001 it was worth it. I have peopleI met thorough XBL back then thatI still play with today), in a convenient way(to somegaming on PC is not convenient, myself included), that is better service than the other convenient one(PSN), is worth it(me) and to others it isn't(you). Nobody is right or wrong, it is individual preference.

And your water argument - it's not free, somebody is paying for it(the bar, the restaurant- they just past the cost onto somewhere else), the bottled water, well some company does the service of bottling this nice -not free- water and then charging you direclt for the eater and the bottling process to make a profit (what a novel idea). Obviously enough people in your country want this service for the price they are paying or else there would be no bottled water sold in your country (unless it was being subsidized by the government, which would mean you were paying for other people's bottled water)

With XBOX Live I am paying an upfront cost andI can decide if it worth it to me or not. (I don't buy map packs or other DLC - I wait until there free or don't get them at all.)

[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="thew13"]See your changing the argument - my response was to counter the the PC does online better for free. My counter was that in order to play the free online on the PC, you need to build that PC(becasue that is the only way to make it cheap enough to make the free online worth it), but to most people that wasn't convenient. thew13

Water here in my country is free. No mater where you go its free at bars resteraunts ect. Yet Bottled water is sold for a price tag - even though the water it contains is free everwhere else. You are PAYING to drink what should be free water.

Now look at my previous post.

You havent told me im wrong.

You are paying ontop of your game to be allowed to play it online - even though the online comes with the game and is free everywhere else.

Please, can you see what im getting at?

its got nothing to do with 'time' and 'conveniance' ect.

Cmon its so bloody logical and obivius its shocking so many people havent caught on.

Never tried to say you were wrong. My point is to some people paying $50, or whatever the price is, to play online games with people they know - (you keep using that teamxbox article, which states that in 2001 it was worth it. I have peopleI met thorough XBL back then thatI still play with today), in a convenient way(to somegaming on PC is not convenient, myself included), that is better service than the other convenient one(PSN), is worth it(me) and to others it isn't(you). Nobody is right or wrong, it is individual preference.

You are NOT PAYING FOR THE CONVENIANCE OF LIVE.

The conveniance of live is FREE

You are paying ontop of your current games to play them online for 12 months. That is not conveniance at all - you are paying to use somthing that you already paid for when you bought the game retail.

This is not a PC vs Xbox argument. I am arguing why Gold sub fee is a RIPOFF - NOT live - as it is a free service.

*sigh*

see this example from my earlier post:

"

I buy World in Conflict. I install it - I can play singleplayer, lan, and games online (forever) - with updates, new features, units, maps (free) ect. hooray!

I buy Halo 3. I can play singleplayer, lan - but when I want to play online I suddenly have to drop $100 AUD extra (that is the price of Halo 3 itself) on upgrading to XBLG (for 12 months) to play the game online.

"

$50 us a year is......14 cents a day..... stop being cheap... live is worth the money because it costs pratically nothing. Hell I pay for wow which is 15 us a month and I think that's no money. Here's a hint....

GET JOBS.

2001 - all XBOX live has a fee (this is when I started using it) - basically all there was was online play

2005 - new silver level for free (meant to get people to see the features and then hopefully, want the full service). i kept my Gold subscription that now has a new name - still paying for the same thign I was paying for the last four years, but they added a whole bunch of stuff for free.

I am not paying 50 bucks a year to play Halo3 online. I am paying to play all my games(including original Xbox games) online.

$50 us a year is......14 cents a day..... stop being cheap... live is worth the money because it costs pratically nothing. Hell I pay for wow which is 15 us a month and I think that's no money. Here's a hint....

GET JOBS.

jangojay

Here's another hint: Not everyone lives where jobs are plentiful. But that's not the real point here. The point is that Microsoft is a ripping you off of your money. Seriously, what do you pay for? You think Xbox Live is like MMO games like Warcraft? At least Warcraft has servers that you ACTUALLY PAY FOR. I hate getting ripped off. If I buy a PS3 game at the same price, the online gameplay is part of that price. But with a 360, it's not free. All the multiplat online games like COD4 and UT3 run almost lag free and support voice chat--two things that really matter in online gameplay. The other stuff that Live offers are just bells and whistles, useless acessories to attract not very intelligent people to their services. Also, I hate the fact that Microsoft and its affiliate sellers try to rip you off with the 2 year warranty. This is true: Microsoft can't make a decent hardware. Even Zune is a faliure, it lasts 3 hours playing music before dying off....

$50 us a year is......14 cents a day..... stop being cheap... live is worth the money because it costs pratically nothing. Hell I pay for wow which is 15 us a month and I think that's no money. Here's a hint....

GET JOBS.

jangojay

2001 - all XBOX live has a fee (this is when I started using it) - basically all there was was online play

2005 - new silver level for free (meant to get people to see the features and then hopefully, want the full service). i kept my Gold subscription that now has a new name - still paying for the same thign I was paying for the last four years, but they added a whole bunch of stuff for free.

I am not paying 50 bucks a year to play Halo3 online. I am paying to play all my games(including original Xbox games) online.

thew13

Seriously listen to yourself.

You cant jusftify that as not a ripoff - regardless of how much you may love MS or your 360.

I mean I can play any PC game - from the early 90s no nowdays for free online (minus MMOs for obvius reaons) - no questions asked.

Cmon think about what you are trying to justify.

Each year you are paying again and again to be allowed to play your Xbox 360 game collection online - even though you payed full retail price for each - which includes online features.

Cmon say it with me

"Gold sub is a scam - but I like everyone else am forced to pay for it, simply because I want to play my games online".

At least realising it means that you are aware of how these companies rip users off, even if you are still paying.

[QUOTE="thew13"]

2001 - all XBOX live has a fee (this is when I started using it) - basically all there was was online play

2005 - new silver level for free (meant to get people to see the features and then hopefully, want the full service). i kept my Gold subscription that now has a new name - still paying for the same thign I was paying for the last four years, but they added a whole bunch of stuff for free.

I am not paying 50 bucks a year to play Halo3 online. I am paying to play all my games(including original Xbox games) online.

skrat_01

Seriously listen to yourself.

You cant jusftify that as not a ripoff - regardless of how much you may love MS or your 360.

I mean I can play any PC game - from the early 90s no nowdays for free online (minus MMOs for obvius reaons) - no questions asked.

Cmon think about what you are trying to justify.

Each year you are paying again and again to be allowed to play your Xbox 360 game collection online - even though you payed full retail price for each - which includes online features.

Couldn't agree with you more. Until I got a PC and started playing Gears and COD4 online, I feel exactly the same way. What am I paying for? Why should I pay for an inferior online experience especailly when half of the best 360 games are on PC? PC+PS3 = Gaming Heaven.

$50 us a year is......14 cents a day..... stop being cheap... live is worth the money because it costs pratically nothing. Hell I pay for wow which is 15 us a month and I think that's no money. Here's a hint....

GET JOBS.

jangojay

World of Warcraft you are paying to use dedicated servers provided to you care of Blizzard. XBOX Live you are paying Microsoft for the privilege of being used as a P2P server. There is a vast difference of value, but that isn't the point. This is about keeping the status quo of the market in the FAVOR OF THE CONSUMER. Maybe you enjoy getting ripped from front and behind but I and many other people certainly don't, and telling people to "stop being so cheap" when this is an issue of principal rather than value would lead me to believe that you don't pay for a WoW account or LIVE with your own money. People that actually have jobs are much more likely to spend the money that they earn with a higher degree of scrutiny. Sure they may pay for LIVE, but by no means are they going to defend the cost of it when the actual price value in Live is currently non-existant. Rather the fact of the matter is if they want to play XBOX games online they are pigeonholed into paying a unneccessary subscription fee for something that shouldn't have a price tag on it to begin with. People trying to justify the principal of the fee with the features that LIVE has, regardless the fact that it is avaliable elsewhere for FREE is inexcusable because it gives off the appearance that the consumer base enjoys being ripped off and milked by a company that seems to have contempt for its own user and fan base.

well first off, its $50 a yaer, wich isnt very much

second, it has the best games on it currently, the largest console community, and virtually no lag if you have decent internet hookup

basicly everything PSN has done is to be more like xbox live

some of these arguments are hilarious.....its simple really, some people feel its worth it to pay, if you don't think so don't buy it jeez.....the land in cambodia is free too but i'd rather pay for my land and live in the U.S.....day old bread is cheaper too but i'd rather buy it fresh.....It's all a matter of preference ...I play a couple of games on the pc online, but i have much more fun on xbox live with my friends and thats enough to justify the cost to me....I have psn also and play on it, and in my opinion it's a ghost town compared to liverobflores370

You are comparing a 1 year old online community with a 7+ year old online community...there's plenty of people to play with on PSN. Warhawk games are always usually full.

[QUOTE="jangojay"]

$50 us a year is......14 cents a day..... stop being cheap... live is worth the money because it costs pratically nothing. Hell I pay for wow which is 15 us a month and I think that's no money. Here's a hint....

GET JOBS.

anshul89

I'm a pc gamer =/, it just sickens me to see people complaining about 14cents a day. You could find that on the fricken street.

[QUOTE="robflores370"]some of these arguments are hilarious.....its simple really, some people feel its worth it to pay, if you don't think so don't buy it jeez.....the land in cambodia is free too but i'd rather pay for my land and live in the U.S.....day old bread is cheaper too but i'd rather buy it fresh.....It's all a matter of preference ...I play a couple of games on the pc online, but i have much more fun on xbox live with my friends and thats enough to justify the cost to me....I have psn also and play on it, and in my opinion it's a ghost town compared to livedkhw

You are comparing a 1 year old online community with a 7+ year old online community...there's plenty of people to play with on PSN. Warhawk games are always usually full.

1 year old community?....wrong....ps2 had some online games also....the playstation brand has been around a long time and could've done the same or better but chose not too....so who's fault is that?..I have warhawk and sorry imo its not that great and apparently many people just downloaded it because there is not very much communication going on and its boring to me