3DS Hardware sales fall.

games like Galaxy, LKS, Kirby, DKCR deserve it's sales and even more games like NSMBwii, MKwii, Brawl, wiisports, wiifit...nahhhhhhhhGiancar

Why not?

How is any product not deserving of it's sales?

It's got the same problem that the PS3 had when it released. It's expensive and doesn't have any games to justify that price. I will pick one up but only when there are a few games that I actually want on it.

[QUOTE="Giancar"]games like Galaxy, LKS, Kirby, DKCR deserve it's sales and even more games like NSMBwii, MKwii, Brawl, wiisports, wiifit...nahhhhhhhhHaziqonfire

Why not?

How is any product not deserving of it's sales?

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"]games like Galaxy, LKS, Kirby, DKCR deserve it's sales and even more games like NSMBwii, MKwii, Brawl, wiisports, wiifit...nahhhhhhhhGiancar

Why not?

How is any product not deserving of it's sales?

Hell the only game I'd consider mediocre in that list are the wii_ games.

so because you feel that their a step back, they don't deserve the sales, despite that quite alot of effort went into those games (SSBB especially)?Shinobishyguy

[QUOTE="Giancar"][QUOTE="110million"]Wii, you will never reach PS2 fame at this point. 8) Though it does not deserve it considering it has about 5% as many worthwhile exclusives. Haziqonfire

Although it's my favourite console of the generation, I fully admit it was lacking in it's library for the core audience. Not having those multiplatform releases really hurt the platform.

But, I don't necessarily think it's fair to say that it doesn't deserve the success it gained. Nintendo made a fantastic product that appealed to the masses through software like the Wii series, Mario Kart and more. It's not as if they did absolutely nothing to earn it.

Nintendo accomplished what they set out to do. They expanded the market, they changed the way their development partners think about game design and they got both their competition to scramble and create their own motion control devices.

They took what the industry was and shook it up, introducing more players into the market and overall, creating a healthier industry.

[QUOTE="110million"]Wii, you will never reach PS2 fame at this point. 8)

Though it does not deserve it considering it has about 5% as many worthwhile exclusives.Giancar

I always said it, and I got flamed by it. Wii didn't deserve the sales it got...Let's be honest the library is soooo lacking, despite having some true gems.

I agree with both of you there. They had some good 1st party selection, but as far as other games go, especially by 3rd parties...meh.

Plus I wouldn't worry about the Wii winning for this gen. They may have won for this gen in terms of sales, but IMO, I doubt they'll win the next one; especially giving that most of the Wii buyers are non-gamers, & that the casuals may be happy with what they got. Same with the 3DS. Don't get me wrong, the 3DS won't flop, but it's not going to have the same big success that the DS did, especially when Apple, etc., has now got a hold of Nintendo's casual market, in which they're now buying all those smartphones & IPhones, etc., while also buying those $1 games.

Nintendo will have a much tougher time trying to convince casuals to buy their 3DS handheld at this rate, especially when it looks exactly like it's predecessors along with a high price tag.

[QUOTE="Captainqwark10"]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/34652/US_Wii_3DS_Hardware_Sales_Drop_In_April.php

They need to get some better games out in order to keep the sales going.garland51

Indeed. Plus it's very embarassing when a 7 year old handheld is beating the 3DS in sales over in Japan (talking about PSP).

who is embarrassed?

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Captainqwark10"]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/34652/US_Wii_3DS_Hardware_Sales_Drop_In_April.php

They need to get some better games out in order to keep the sales going.Bread_or_Decide

Indeed. Plus it's very embarassing when a 7 year old handheld is beating the 3DS in sales over in Japan (talking about PSP).

Remember when Coolyfett was asking for this months numbers and everyone was all quiet?? Remember "IT SOLD 4 MILLION IN A MONTH YAAAAAAAAAAY!"......but what did it sell in the 2nd month?? uh oh!!

It's still early. Nobody really expected the system to take off until after E3.dzimm

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!????????? So Nintendo over supplied the 3DS so they would have some left by E3??

[QUOTE="garland51"]

[QUOTE="Captainqwark10"]

http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/34652/US_Wii_3DS_Hardware_Sales_Drop_In_April.php

They need to get some better games out in order to keep the sales going.Coolyfett

Indeed. Plus it's very embarassing when a 7 year old handheld is beating the 3DS in sales over in Japan (talking about PSP).

who is embarrassed?

because there are better games in the same genre that deserve those? NSMBwii is an uninspiring platformer, there are way better out there Or because they are a step back? Brawl, MKwii...heck it's HANDHELD predecessor destroys it :| and Wiifit...wellGiancar

Those games were marketed well, are crafted well and have a large audience who enjoys the titles. To say those titles don't deserve their success because of your personal bias isn't really being fair.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Giancar"]games like Galaxy, LKS, Kirby, DKCR deserve it's sales and even more games like NSMBwii, MKwii, Brawl, wiisports, wiifit...nahhhhhhhhGiancar

Why not?

How is any product not deserving of it's sales?

[QUOTE="dzimm"]It's still early. Nobody really expected the system to take off until after E3.Coolyfett

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!????????? So Nintendo over supplied the 3DS so they would have some left by E3??

Yes, Nintendo deliberately overstocked the 3DS so there would not be mass shortages like there were for the Wii. I'm surprised you didn't know this since it was widely reported by a number of news outlets, including here at Gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6308895/3ds-surplus-deliberate-nintendo

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="dzimm"]It's still early. Nobody really expected the system to take off until after E3.dzimm

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!????????? So Nintendo over supplied the 3DS so they would have some left by E3??

Yes, Nintendo deliberately overstocked the 3DS so there would not be mass shortages like there were for the Wii. I'm surprised you didn't know this since it was widely reported by a number of news outlets, including here at Gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6308895/3ds-surplus-deliberate-nintendo

Also this doesn't explain the step decling japanese sales and the lousy second month reports of sales.

I guess Nintendo wanted to make sure there were plenty of 3DS's that no body wants huh?

Sounds like damage control to me.Bread_or_Decide

Also this doesn't explain the step decling japanese sales and the lousy second month reports of sales.Bread_or_Decide

Fact: 3DS sales have declined.

Opinion: 3DS sales are lousy.

Despite the decline, the 3DS is still a strong seller, and expectations are that sales will pick up following E3 with the release of Ocarina of Time and the rest of Nintendo's highly anticipated first-party titles.

dzimm

[QUOTE="Giancar"]because there are better games in the same genre that deserve those? NSMBwii is an uninspiring platformer, there are way better out there Or because they are a step back? Brawl, MKwii...heck it's HANDHELD predecessor destroys it :| and Wiifit...wellHaziqonfire

Those games were marketed well, are crafted well and have a large audience who enjoys the titles. To say those titles don't deserve their success because of your personal bias isn't really being fair.

Ports don't sell consoles buddy.Bread_or_Decide

I know of a number of people who are buying a 3DS when Ocarina of Time is released.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Ports don't sell consoles buddy.dzimm

I know of a number of people who are buying a 3DS when Ocarina of Time is released.

[QUOTE="dzimm"]

Fact: 3DS sales have declined.

Opinion: 3DS sales are lousy.

Despite the decline, the 3DS is still a strong seller, and expectations are that sales will pick up following E3 with the release of Ocarina of Time and the rest of Nintendo's highly anticipated first-party titles.

Bread_or_Decide

you'd be surprised. If it weren't for super mario 64 ds the DS wouldn't have sold nearly as much as it did at launch.

Shinobishyguy

I feel bad for the early adopters of the 3DS. Kind of sad to see an old handheld come away defeating a new one. It would be like the Nintendo Wii defeating the Cafe when the Cafe releases. That would be kind of funny, actually.Stevo_the_gamer

bias against what? disappointing games?Giancar

Your own personal opinions.

I don't like Macs or anything Apple makes and I think they're over priced for what they are, but I don't feel that Apple is undeserving of their success. They made a product that obviously appeals to a wide audience. Good for them. I don't like GTAIV but it sold well and a lot of people like it, it deserves the success it has and Rockstar deserves praise for providing fun experiences to the audience they were targeting.

Those titles you mentioned, while you might not enjoy them, they were crafted well and found an audience that certainly enjoys them, thus are deserving of the success they've gained - A lot of people enjoy those titles. In the end, that's what games do, provide fun, enjoyable experiences.

In essence what I'm saying it, regardless of your own personal opinion's towards titles, it's not really fair to say "game x doesn't deserve the success ithas." If that game didn't strike a cord with you, fine, but it did with another large audience who actually enjoys them. It's hardly fair to claim 'it doesn't deserve success because it disappointed me'.

I feel bad for the early adopters of the 3DS. Kind of sad to see an old handheld come away defeating a new one. It would be like the Nintendo Wii defeating the Cafe when the Cafe releases. That would be kind of funny, actually.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Giancar"]bias against what? disappointing games?Haziqonfire

Your own personal opinions.

I don't like Macs or anything Apple makes and I think they're over priced for what they are, but I don't feel that Apple is undeserving of their success. They made a product that obviously appeals to a wide audience. Good for them. I don't like GTAIV but it sold well and a lot of people like it, it deserves the success it has and Rockstar deserves praise for providing fun experiences to the audience they were targeting.

Those titles you mentioned, while you might not enjoy them, they were crafted well and found an audience that certainly enjoys them, thus are deserving of the success they've gained - A lot of people enjoy those titles. In the end, that's what games do, provide fun, enjoyable experiences.

In essence what I'm saying it, regardless of your own personal opinion's towards titles, it's not really fair to say "game x doesn't deserve the success ithas." If that game didn't strike a cord with you, fine, but it did with another large audience who actually enjoys them. It's hardly fair to claim 'it doesn't deserve success because it disappointed me'.

meh, the subjective card... if you can't see how MKwii and Brawl are inferior to its predecessors fine... if you can't see how lame NSMBwii was fine how lame Wii"something" are fine by me. I still think 2 things: 1) There are way better wii games that deserve those sales: LKS is a perfect example 2) The wii, as a videogame system, is lacking sooooo much compared to other systems. The differences are brutal, specially in a gen where 3rd party devs played a big role.Giancar

Definitely, a lot of third party games went unnoticed -- Though, I still don't think I would blame the success of other titles as a reason why titles like LKS didn't get as large of an audience as they 'deserved.' Though I still think a lot of developers went the wrong way about getting their titles to get great sales. Nintendo utilized their top teams on their Wii projects, third parties didn't, for the most part. There hasn't been a third party game on the Wii that's been as good as Nintendo's first party content.

Although I love and own titles like Red Steel 2, Little King's Story, de Blob, No More Heroes, etc -- None of those compare to Nintendo's first party title. No one has made a third party title that's the same level of quality and I think that contributes to those titles not performing as well as they could have.

I also agree, the Wii lacks/lacked third party support in terms of multiplatform titles. It's the reason why I ended up purchasing a 360 along with my Wii. I wanted to play different titles the Wii couldn't offer. This makes me wonder about Project Cafe's future, as if it's more comparable to PS3/360 architecture, that means a development team does not have to create an all new version and it's ultimately cheaper to get versions of multiplat games on the console.

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

[QUOTE="dzimm"]It's still early. Nobody really expected the system to take off until after E3.dzimm

WHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!????????? So Nintendo over supplied the 3DS so they would have some left by E3??

Yes, Nintendo deliberately overstocked the 3DS so there would not be mass shortages like there were for the Wii. I'm surprised you didn't know this since it was widely reported by a number of news outlets, including here at Gamespot.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6308895/3ds-surplus-deliberate-nintendo

Dude you can believe that foolishness if you want. That overstock claim was damage control. You can stay in denial all you want, but the goal is SELL the 3DS not store them in retail for later sales. You suprised Coolyfett did know this because it was report?? Boy you need to stop. The 3DS is NOT SELLING duke. No if ands or buts about it duke its not selling. Stop fronting.

Dude you can believe that foolishness if you want. That overstock claim was damage control. You can stay in denial all you want, but the goal is SELL the 3DS not store them in retail for later sales. You suprised Coolyfett did know this because it was report?? Boy you need to stop. The 3DS is NOT SELLING duke. No if ands or buts about it duke its not selling. Stop fronting.

Coolyfett

You the one that should stop fronting. He is right, Nintendo wanted to make sure there wasn't problems with shortage. But yup the 3DS is not selling despite alraedy selling 3.6 million by the end of March.:roll:

[QUOTE="Coolyfett"]

Dude you can believe that foolishness if you want. That overstock claim was damage control. You can stay in denial all you want, but the goal is SELL the 3DS not store them in retail for later sales. You suprised Coolyfett did know this because it was report?? Boy you need to stop. The 3DS is NOT SELLING duke. No if ands or buts about it duke its not selling. Stop fronting.

Wanderer5

You the one that should stop fronting. He is right, Nintendo wanted to make sure there wasn't problems with shortage. But yup the 3DS is not selling despite alraedy selling 3.6 million by the end of March.:roll:

It will take a few cycles before shipments and sell-through are more in-sync.

I see we wait until the holidays before declaring it a failure.

[QUOTE="dzimm"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Ports don't sell consoles buddy.Bread_or_Decide

I know of a number of people who are buying a 3DS when Ocarina of Time is released.

You said "ports don't sell consoles". The fact that there are people buying a 3DS specifically for Ocarina of Time means you're wrong. It's as simple as that.

That overstock claim was damage control.Coolyfett

The 3DS is NOT SELLING duke.Coolyfett

Shipping. Launch shipment shouldn't be taken as indicative of sell-through/demand.

It will take a few cycles before shipments and sell-through are more in-sync.

shinrabanshou

No it sold that much.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Shipping. Launch shipment shouldn't be taken as indicative of sell-through/demand.

It will take a few cycles before shipments and sell-through are more in-sync.

Wanderer5

No it sold that much.

The sell-through from independent trackers for roughly the same period was:

Japan was 836,000 up to the 3rd April.
The UK, France, Germany and Spain was 360,000 up to the 3rd April.
The US was 398,000 up to the 2nd April.

Collectively these markets comprise roughly 80-90% of the global games market. Collectively sell-through based on independent trackers LTD up until the start of April was ~1.6 million. The remaining 10% of the global market did not buy 2 million 3DSs.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="dzimm"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Ports don't sell consoles buddy.dzimm

I know of a number of people who are buying a 3DS when Ocarina of Time is released.

You said "ports don't sell consoles". The fact that there are people buying a 3DS specifically for Ocarina of Time means you're wrong. It's as simple as that.

It has sold over 4 millions systems to date and continues to sell at a steady pace. Quite the opposite of "not selling".

Duke. 8)

dzimm

Also check out their stock price. Steep decline since the 3DS launched. Investors aren't convinced by these "amazing" world wide numbers of yours.

But what do they know right? Tell them about your friends and I'm sure that will get the stock ticking up again.

There hasn't been as much hype for the 3DS here than when the DS Lite came out. Actually, compared to the DS, 3DS anticipation here is next to nothing. No joke.

I agree though; those hard-hitting titles need to come soon or people will get too impatient. I still need to wait until I actually get a 3DS.

Excuse me if I don't trust random strangers on the internet when they say things like that. I don't believe you.Bread_or_Decide

Sure, kiddo, whatever helps you sleep at night. :lol:

Those sold numbers are how many months old already?Bread_or_Decide

No, I'm talking current numbers. Nintendo has moved over 4 million 3DS systems, and despite the decline, sales remain steady and are sure to get another big boost once Ocarina of Time is released followed by the other half-dozen first-party titles Nintendo has waiting in the wings plus highly anticipated third-party titles like Cave Story, Resident Evil, Dead or Alive, and many others.

Hold on to your socks, champ, you ain't seen nothin' yet. 8)

No, I'm talking current numbers. Nintendo has moved over 4 million 3DS systems

dzimm

In other words, stop making things up.

The 3DO.. erm I mean 3DS seems like it may be a big disappointment for "N" when compared to the Why, erm I mean Wii. :P

Seriously, "N" will likely do fine with it in the long run - we shall see.

Nintendo knows what they are doing, perhaps going as far as saying even including their "We need to push 3DS" quotes. They aren't a stupid company. They released the system in March to take advantage of the early adoptors. Then there's E3, the biggest game show of the year. New games will be announced here--some which will be available by Holiday. Shortly after E3 is when the second wave of games is arriving. This will boost system sales because the hesitant people--those unsure of actually wanting any of the launch games--will now have games that they want. THEN come october and november, the system will be a "hot" seller, and parents will eat it up for the US holiday season.

People are taking this "fail" thing waaaaay too far and generally don't understand that a slump in sales isn't always a bad thing.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]There are no current numbers...dzimm

3.6 million 3DS systems were sold in the first month (confirmed by Nintendo), and it has sold at least enough since then to put it over 4 million mark.

But keep on hatin', bro. It's what haters do. It must be genetic. :)

This has nothing to do with "hate" and everything to do with correcting plain wrong information.

To spell it out even further the earnings release breaks down the shipments by region, with 1.32 million shipped to the Americas - essentially the US and Canada as Nintendo does not officially sell to emerging markets - by the 31st March 2011.

Feel free to explain the discrepancy between that number which you claim is sell-through and sell-through data from NPD for the tracking period up to the 2nd April of 398,000 units. Canada bought 900,000 of them I presume.

All earnings release numbers are shipment numbers. The 3.6 million number is a shipment number. Deal. With. It.

[QUOTE="dzimm"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]There are no current numbers...shinrabanshou

3.6 million 3DS systems were sold in the first month (confirmed by Nintendo), and it has sold at least enough since then to put it over 4 million mark.

But keep on hatin', bro. It's what haters do. It must be genetic. :)

This has nothing to do with "hate" and everything to do with correcting plain wrong information.

To spell it out even further the earnings release breaks down the shipments by region, with 1.32 million shipped to the Americas - essentially the US and Canada as Nintendo does not officially sell to emerging markets - by the 31st March 2011.

Feel free to explain the discrepancy between that number which you claim is sell-through and sell-through data from NPD for the tracking period up to the 2nd April of 398,000 units. Canada bought 900,000 of them I presume.

All earnings release numbers are shipment numbers. The 3.6 million number is a shipment number. Deal. With. It.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="dzimm"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]There are no current numbers...Bread_or_Decide

3.6 million 3DS systems were sold in the first month (confirmed by Nintendo), and it has sold at least enough since then to put it over 4 million mark.

But keep on hatin', bro. It's what haters do. It must be genetic. :)

This has nothing to do with "hate" and everything to do with correcting plain wrong information.

To spell it out even further the earnings release breaks down the shipments by region, with 1.32 million shipped to the Americas - essentially the US and Canada as Nintendo does not officially sell to emerging markets - by the 31st March 2011.

Feel free to explain the discrepancy between that number which you claim is sell-through and sell-through data from NPD for the tracking period up to the 2nd April of 398,000 units. Canada bought 900,000 of them I presume.

All earnings release numbers are shipment numbers. The 3.6 million number is a shipment number. Deal. With. It.

The system is still selling. I don't know what people expect, for it to continue to have first-day sales for 5 months? Things just don't work that way.