3DS Hardware sales fall.

I already pointed out to you and others that Nintendo's IR release is a shipment number.shinrabanshou

Except for the little fact that Nintendo clearly reported it as units sold, not shipped. It's just the folks trying to downplay the sales success who have latched onto the "shipped, not sold" nonsense.

Except for the little fact that Nintendo clearly reported it as units sold, not shipped. It's just the folks trying to downplay the sales success who have latched onto the "shipped, not sold" nonsense.

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He explained himself very clearly. It is you that are not understanding those numbers.

Def needs better games...I havent touched my 3ds for a month.

Seriously?! People are still getting this mixed up? I thought we dealt with this misconception months back. Sold for the big 3 means sold to retailers, not sold to customers. None of the big 3 can directly get information on sold to customers. This means that those numbers are effectively shipped, because that is what shipped means (sold to retailers). Come on now, just accept it.

Excuse me if I don't trust random strangers on the internet when they say things like that. I don't believe you. You'll have to supply me with more proof than you and these supposed friends of yours. What is this number? Two? Three? So if TWO of your friends would buy a 3DS for Portarina of Time that doesn't exactly spell a trend buddy. That proves nothing. In a study that would provide evidence of absolutely nothing, other than the fact that TWO people would buy a 3DS for Portarina of Time. Bread_or_Decide

It's not a port.It's a remake.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Excuse me if I don't trust random strangers on the internet when they say things like that. I don't believe you. You'll have to supply me with more proof than you and these supposed friends of yours. What is this number? Two? Three? So if TWO of your friends would buy a 3DS for Portarina of Time that doesn't exactly spell a trend buddy. That proves nothing. In a study that would provide evidence of absolutely nothing, other than the fact that TWO people would buy a 3DS for Portarina of Time. Haziqonfire

It's not a port.It's a remake.

Seriously?! People are still getting this mixed up? I thought we dealt with this misconception months back. Sold for the big 3 means sold to retailers, not sold to customers. None of the big 3 can directly get information on sold to customers. This means that those numbers are effectively shipped, because that is what shipped means (sold to retailers). Come on now, just accept it.

DerekLoffin

[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]

Seriously?! People are still getting this mixed up? I thought we dealt with this misconception months back. Sold for the big 3 means sold to retailers, not sold to customers. None of the big 3 can directly get information on sold to customers. This means that those numbers are effectively shipped, because that is what shipped means (sold to retailers). Come on now, just accept it.

Bread_or_Decide

I know retailers aren't all sold out, but we would have heard reports of complaints from the retailers if the units weren't selling. This whole thing is blown so far out of proportion that it isn't even funny.

I can walk into Best Buy and buy LA Noir? WTF!!!!!!? WHy teh *uc* it still on shelves POS is not selling must be garbage and wont sell more than a a milllion.

I am more interested in DSi XL than 3DS so this dont surprise me at all. Cant say 1 released game i want for 3DS while it is hundred of games for normal DS i want. I don't like the region lock on 3DS as well.

A giant earthquake or anything didn't happen...

LaytonsCat

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="DerekLoffin"]

Seriously?! People are still getting this mixed up? I thought we dealt with this misconception months back. Sold for the big 3 means sold to retailers, not sold to customers. None of the big 3 can directly get information on sold to customers. This means that those numbers are effectively shipped, because that is what shipped means (sold to retailers). Come on now, just accept it.

Heirren

I know retailers aren't all sold out, but we would have heard reports of complaints from the retailers if the units weren't selling. This whole thing is blown so far out of proportion that it isn't even funny.

I can walk into Best Buy and buy LA Noir? WTF!!!!!!? WHy teh *uc* it still on shelves POS is not selling must be garbage and wont sell more than a a milllion.

[QUOTE="LaytonsCat"]

A giant earthquake or anything didn't happen...

Sollet

Doesn't really matter. It existed before and now it exists again. It's the same game. So no need to play semantics on a pointless part of this debate.Bread_or_Decide

It's not a port.

It existed before, sure.

There's a whole generation of young people that has never experienced The Legend of Zelda franchise and a lot of people who haven't played OoT. Both would would benefit from a more modernized version. What better way to start getting into the series than OoT.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Yeah Nintendo SOLD to retailers, not to customers. Bread_or_Decide

I know retailers aren't all sold out, but we would have heard reports of complaints from the retailers if the units weren't selling. This whole thing is blown so far out of proportion that it isn't even funny.

I can walk into Best Buy and buy LA Noir? WTF!!!!!!? WHy teh *uc* it still on shelves POS is not selling must be garbage and wont sell more than a a milllion.

Why is that? Does the shipped/sold scenerio work differently, somehow?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="Heirren"]

I know retailers aren't all sold out, but we would have heard reports of complaints from the retailers if the units weren't selling. This whole thing is blown so far out of proportion that it isn't even funny.

I can walk into Best Buy and buy LA Noir? WTF!!!!!!? WHy teh *uc* it still on shelves POS is not selling must be garbage and wont sell more than a a milllion.

Heirren

Why is that? Does the shipped/sold scenerio work differently, somehow?

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Doesn't really matter. It existed before and now it exists again. It's the same game. So no need to play semantics on a pointless part of this debate.Haziqonfire

It's not a port.

It existed before, sure.

There's a whole generation of young people that has never experienced The Legend of Zelda franchise and a lot of people who haven't played OoT. Both would would benefit from a more modernized version. What better way to start getting into the series than OoT.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] Games and consoles are two different beasts. Bread_or_Decide

Why is that? Does the shipped/sold scenerio work differently, somehow?

That in no way addressed what I said.Heirren

I've hardly seen young kids get excited about old games with new coats of paint. Seems to me it's the older generation that are excited to play Portarina of Time for nostalgic reasons. Metal Gear Solid didn't save the gamecube now did it? Bread_or_Decide

It's not a port. The game itself has completely new assets, it's a remake.

A lot of people who are getting OoT either have played it many times, haven't played it since the N64 or haven't played it at all. This is a perfect way to let a lot of younger people fully enjoy a modernized version of a cIassic. Why not?

I'm 21 and I've never played OoT. What better time to play it than now, with a remake that has enhancements that the original didn't.

I don't know anything nor do I care about the MGS series. If you honestly think that a big title like OoT will not boost sales, then you don't know this industry very well.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

That in no way addressed what I said.Bread_or_Decide

That wasn't what I had asked.

Anyways, wasn't the 3DS Amazons #1 preorder item of all time?

People do understand that Nintendo expects a drop in sales after the initial release, right? People do realize that it was released in march to take advantage of the crowd that will buy the system, without hesitation, right? People do know that Nintendo expects a surge in sales upon the arrival of the second batch of games around E3, right? We haven't even reached oct/nov, where the system will see a huge increase in sales. I'm pretty sure nintendo is aware they made a few mistakes as far as game releases go, but I'm sure they know what they are doing. Look at the original DS launch.

lets see psp owners wont touch it as its barely superior graphically to the psp and the 3d is a headache inducing effects.

kids will want it until they see a 3d ipod touch and parents can buy games for dollars on it.

core gamers would probably have a wait and see attitude because of all the ds revisions and the poor battery life.

nintendophiles will get it because they love either mario,zelda or metroid

casual adults will play smartphone games because of the price 40 dollar 3d games and a 250 dollar system

itll eventually sell well because of its library but it wont pass the ds or even cme close thats my prediction

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]I already pointed out to you and others that Nintendo's IR release is a shipment number.dzimm

Except for the little fact that Nintendo clearly reported it as units sold, not shipped. It's just the folks trying to downplay the sales success who have latched onto the "shipped, not sold" nonsense.

Wow! You still believe those were sold to end-users.

Do yourself a favor and never invest in a company you dote on. It could reach bankruptcy and you would still say everything is fine. (Just to keep it clear, I'm not saying Nintendo is going into bankruptcy)

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I've hardly seen young kids get excited about old games with new coats of paint. Seems to me it's the older generation that are excited to play Portarina of Time for nostalgic reasons. Metal Gear Solid didn't save the gamecube now did it? Haziqonfire

It's not a port. The game itself has completely new assets, it's a remake.

A lot of people who are getting OoT either have played it many times, haven't played it since the N64 or haven't played it at all. This is a perfect way to let a lot of younger people fully enjoy a modernized version of a cIassic. Why not?

I'm 21 and I've never played OoT. What better time to play it than now, with a remake that has enhancements that the original didn't.

I don't know anything nor do I care about the MGS series. If you honestly think that a big title like OoT will not boost sales, then you don't know this industry very well.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]I've hardly seen young kids get excited about old games with new coats of paint. Seems to me it's the older generation that are excited to play Portarina of Time for nostalgic reasons. Metal Gear Solid didn't save the gamecube now did it? Bread_or_Decide

It's not a port. The game itself has completely new assets, it's a remake.

A lot of people who are getting OoT either have played it many times, haven't played it since the N64 or haven't played it at all. This is a perfect way to let a lot of younger people fully enjoy a modernized version of a cIassic. Why not?

I'm 21 and I've never played OoT. What better time to play it than now, with a remake that has enhancements that the original didn't.

I don't know anything nor do I care about the MGS series. If you honestly think that a big title like OoT will not boost sales, then you don't know this industry very well.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

That in no way addressed what I said.Heirren

That wasn't what I had asked.

Anyways, wasn't the 3DS Amazons #1 preorder item of all time?

People do understand that Nintendo expects a drop in sales after the initial release, right? People do realize that it was released in march to take advantage of the crowd that will buy the system, without hesitation, right? People do know that Nintendo expects a surge in sales upon the arrival of the second batch of games around E3, right? We haven't even reached oct/nov, where the system will see a huge increase in sales. I'm pretty sure nintendo is aware they made a few mistakes as far as game releases go, but I'm sure they know what they are doing. Look at the original DS launch.

Ports are not big titles. They are distractions until a console get's some real games. Bread_or_Decide

It's not a port.

"I didn't want to just make a port. And so I was waiting for something to come along that would not only help us to retell the story, but improve upon it. Making it different, more unique in its own way. Now, with 3D, we're able to take the environments of Hyrule and add depth -- giving them a more expansive feeling, a more immersive feeling. In addition to that, now that we have the 3D we can looking forward to new ways to implement 3D into the gameplay and make it fresh and new. And we also have the motion sensors that are built-in to theNintendo3DS. So we're looking at quite a few ways to make the gameplay more immersive, more natural, more accessible. So again, not just a port -- but a retelling of the tale using new technologies to reinvent it." - IGN.

Besides, the game has new assets in it. It's not a port.

Also, you wanted to know what game would boost sales -- OoT3D is a big release, regardless if you think it's not worthy of it. It will boost sales.

For someone who claims that 3DS owners making excuses, you've got a lot yourself bud.

[QUOTE="Heirren"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] If I have to explain to you the difference between consoles and games than this debate is over.

Bread_or_Decide

That wasn't what I had asked.

Anyways, wasn't the 3DS Amazons #1 preorder item of all time?

People do understand that Nintendo expects a drop in sales after the initial release, right? People do realize that it was released in march to take advantage of the crowd that will buy the system, without hesitation, right? People do know that Nintendo expects a surge in sales upon the arrival of the second batch of games around E3, right? We haven't even reached oct/nov, where the system will see a huge increase in sales. I'm pretty sure nintendo is aware they made a few mistakes as far as game releases go, but I'm sure they know what they are doing. Look at the original DS launch.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]I already pointed out to you and others that Nintendo's IR release is a shipment number.dzimm

Except for the little fact that Nintendo clearly reported it as units sold, not shipped. It's just the folks trying to downplay the sales success who have latched onto the "shipped, not sold" nonsense.

"Unit sales" of PS3 hardware worldwide http://www.scei.co.jp/corporate/data/bizdataps3_sale_e.html

i.e. sold to retail i.e sell-in i.e shipped.

You may delude yourself. Just stop spreading misinformation.

Wow, this is still going on.

Anyway, just like some others said, ports or remakes doesn't sell consoles or handhelds. This may be good for those that already own a 3DS, & would only have to shell out $40 plus tax on it, but do you really think that tons of people who don't own a 3DS are going to shell out $250 plus tax for a 3DS plus another $40 plus tax just to play a remake of the same game that we played on the N64, the GC, & on the VC on the Wii? Think about it.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Ports are not big titles. They are distractions until a console get's some real games. Haziqonfire

It's not a port.

"I didn't want to just make a port. And so I was waiting for something to come along that would not only help us to retell the story, but improve upon it. Making it different, more unique in its own way. Now, with 3D, we're able to take the environments of Hyrule and add depth -- giving them a more expansive feeling, a more immersive feeling. In addition to that, now that we have the 3D we can looking forward to new ways to implement 3D into the gameplay and make it fresh and new. And we also have the motion sensors that are built-in to theNintendo3DS. So we're looking at quite a few ways to make the gameplay more immersive, more natural, more accessible. So again, not just a port -- but a retelling of the tale using new technologies to reinvent it." - IGN.

Besides, the game has new assets in it. It's not a port.

Also, you wanted to know what game would boost sales -- OoT3D is a big release, regardless if you think it's not worthy of it. It will boost sales.

For someone who claims that 3DS owners making excuses, you've got a lot yourself bud.

Wow, this is still going on.

Anyway, just like some others said, ports or remakes doesn't sell consoles or handhelds. This may be good for those that already own a 3DS, & would only have to shell out $40 plus tax on it, but do you really think that tons of people who don't own a 3DS are going to shell out $250 plus tax for a 3DS plus another $40 plus tax just to play a remake of the same game that we played on the N64, the GC, & on the VC on the Wii? Think about it.

garland51

I'm very surprised at the negativity the system is getting. Sure it isn't the most powerful system, but it improves enough to where it can offer just about any popular genre. People need to look at the lineup of the DS. An INCREDIBLE system for rpgs, puzzlers, platformers, and some other rather unique genres I'm not sure how to describe. What couldn't the system do well? Racers, 3D platformers, sports games, and fps games--off the top of my head. WEll, the improved performance offers those abilities now. You can bet this system will be supported. Once Mario and Pokemon build up the installed base, I don't think developers are going to say, "what nintendo, develop on your successful console? No way!"

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[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Doesn't really matter. It existed before and now it exists again. It's the same game. So no need to play semantics on a pointless part of this debate.Bread_or_Decide

It's not a port.

It existed before, sure.

There's a whole generation of young people that has never experienced The Legend of Zelda franchise and a lot of people who haven't played OoT. Both would would benefit from a more modernized version. What better way to start getting into the series than OoT.

[QUOTE="Haziqonfire"]

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Doesn't really matter. It existed before and now it exists again. It's the same game. So no need to play semantics on a pointless part of this debate.Bread_or_Decide

It's not a port.

It existed before, sure.

There's a whole generation of young people that has never experienced The Legend of Zelda franchise and a lot of people who haven't played OoT. Both would would benefit from a more modernized version. What better way to start getting into the series than OoT.

This is true

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]Ports are not big titles. They are distractions until a console get's some real games. Haziqonfire

It's not a port.

"I didn't want to just make a port. And so I was waiting for something to come along that would not only help us to retell the story, but improve upon it. Making it different, more unique in its own way. Now, with 3D, we're able to take the environments of Hyrule and add depth -- giving them a more expansive feeling, a more immersive feeling. In addition to that, now that we have the 3D we can looking forward to new ways to implement 3D into the gameplay and make it fresh and new. And we also have the motion sensors that are built-in to theNintendo3DS. So we're looking at quite a few ways to make the gameplay more immersive, more natural, more accessible. So again, not just a port -- but a retelling of the tale using new technologies to reinvent it." - IGN.

Besides, the game has new assets in it. It's not a port.

Also, you wanted to know what game would boost sales -- OoT3D is a big release, regardless if you think it's not worthy of it. It will boost sales.

For someone who claims that 3DS owners making excuses, you've got a lot yourself bud.