3ds specs are here!

two 266MHz ARM11 CPUs

133MHz GPU

4MBs of dedicated VRAM

64MBs of RAM

1.5GBs of flash storage

Can we stop the talk about 3DS being similar to 360/PS3 now?

Put two Zunes over each other and poof! 3DS.

FragTycoon

You were indeed probably thinking of backface culling, where triangles facing away from the camera are culled. The GPU usually does it after vertex shading, so it doesn't decrease the vertex load but does decrease the amount of triangles that need to be setup and the number of pixels that need to be shaded. On PS3 a lot of games do it on the SPU's to reduce the vertex load.

Teufelhuhn

Alright. Things are starting to make more sense now.:P After you corrected my mistake, and mentioned frustum culling I found a link to gamedev.net where they explain all the different techniques to cull polygons. It was a real eye opening experience. Thanks the for pointers.:)

I think the hardware makes perfect sense for them...But at the same time it's still capable of doing things like shadow maps and normal maps, and those are features more typically associated with the PS3/360 generation than with the PS2/Xbox generation.

As far as RE, I'd say their demo speaks for itself. It's obviously a tech demo, but I think that shows that they can make a game that looks quite a bit better than RE4.

Teufelhuhn

Excellent. It's good to here that the 3DS has some juice in it, but at the same time I'd be disappointed if devs went away from making awesome 2D games like the GBA and DS have.

Thanks again for your time.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

The specs are pretty comparable to those of a gamecube. Which anyone would expect since:

GB ~ NES
GBA ~ SNES
DS ~ N64
3DS ~ Gamecube

Willy105

The original GB was nowhere near the power of the nes.

Not sure how it compared with VRAM and CPU and GPU.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

two 266MHz ARM11 CPUs

133MHz GPU

4MBs of dedicated VRAM

64MBs of RAM

1.5GBs of flash storage

Can we stop the talk about 3DS being similar to 360/PS3 now?

Put two Zunes over each other and poof! 3DS.

EdenProxy

It's nintendo. Were you really expecting a super powered system that would require them to charge 300+ dollars to break even?

It's nintendo. Were you really expecting a super powered system that would require them to charge 300+ dollars to break even?

Pixel-Pirate

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It's nintendo. Were you really expecting a super powered system that would require them to charge 300+ dollars to break even?

ZIVX

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It's nintendo. Were you really expecting a super powered system that would require them to charge 300+ dollars to break even?

ZIVX

I think they achieved their goal. The 3DS can certainly handle games the DS couldn't have.

why not just dual core/ tri core cpu? why two seperate CPUs? Why does nintendo always make mad when they make hardware?

I don't know what people were expecting. Those 3DS RE vids are clearly not in game.

why not just dual core/ tri core cpu? why two seperate CPUs? Why does nintendo always make mad when they make hardware?

samuraiguns

[QUOTE="Blade8Aus"]

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"] Multitasking. It's actually better to have two cpu's than one. _Pedro_

*facepalm* but if you had a single CPU that was just as powerful as that then it would have to be at least as power efficient, cheaper to produce, be just as good at multi-tasking and better at single applications.

EDIT: that and look at the SEGA Saturn o.O

EDIT2: I'm open to new ideas. especially ones regarding heat. But it'll need to be very convincing...

You can't have a single cpu "that was just as powerful as that". Yes you can.. You have to be freaking kidding me.. It's often a much more complex calculating process, it's about power usage, heat and ultimately price.which is why using a single processor would be more logical.. What if that single CPU is actually twice as expensive? (which is usually the case) you couldn't be more wrong there...

edit: I'm inclined to believe you may have been right about the Heat thing most of all. maybe.

Wow. For all I know, you could work for NVidia or someone. But I am doing the Aries hardware and software course at the moment and wow...

im sure we already know sonys future plans are a psp phone that will just be another rendition of psp1

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

[QUOTE="Blade8Aus"]

*facepalm* but if you had a single CPU that was just as powerful as that then it would have to be at least as power efficient, cheaper to produce, be just as good at multi-tasking and better at single applications.

EDIT: that and look at the SEGA Saturn o.O

EDIT2: I'm open to new ideas. especially ones regarding heat. But it'll need to be very convincing...

Blade8Aus

You can't have a single cpu "that was just as powerful as that". Yes you can.. You have to be freaking kidding me.. It's often a much more complex calculating process, it's about power usage, heat and ultimately price.which is why using a single processor would be more logical.. What if that single CPU is actually twice as expensive? (which is usually the case) you couldn't be more wrong there...

edit: I'm inclined to believe you may have been right about the Heat thing most of all. maybe.

Wow. For all I know, you could work for NVidia or someone. But I am doing the Aries hardware and software course at the moment and wow...

[QUOTE="Blade8Aus"]

2 CPUs... It's gonna be tough to convince me that that was a good idea o.O (why not have a better single CPU?)

_Pedro_

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Blade8Aus"]

2 CPUs... It's gonna be tough to convince me that that was a good idea o.O (why not have a better single CPU?)

imprezawrx500

Not when there are two screens and 3D displays involved.

[QUOTE="samuraiguns"]

why not just dual core/ tri core cpu? why two seperate CPUs? Why does nintendo always make mad when they make hardware?

Teufelhuhn

The only thing we know is that it's an ARM11 processor. The question is which one: ARM1136J(F)-S™, ARM1156T2(F)-S™,ARM1176JZ(F)-S™ , ARM11™MPCore™

I doubt it's MPcore though but who knows?

____

"- You have encountered a forbidden .html error" Yeah cla$$ic gamespot.

[QUOTE="imprezawrx500"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"] Multitasking. It's actually better to have two cpu's than one. 789shadow

Not when there are two screens and 3D displays involved.

I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but Digital Foundry has a writeup on the specs. They might actually know what they're talking about.

SFIV looks like crap. RE5 is just full motion videos. Yawn. Meanwhile the PSP has got games that blow those screen shots away and its tech is way old. Bread_or_Decide

Just no.

why not just dual core/ tri core cpu? why two seperate CPUs? Why does nintendo always make mad when they make hardware?

samuraiguns

It probably has to do with processing two pictures simultaneously (for the 3D effect).

cpus have nothing to do with graphics.

imprezawrx500

MT Framework Mobile on 3DS

- Resident Evil Revelations
Revelations started for 3DS,it's not a project that was on another hardware and then moved to 3DS.
Takuechi says that at first people couldn't believe the results they were getting.
The game utilizes all the common rendering techniques on 360/PS3 like HDR rendering, surface shaders and normal maps, there are a lot more details in there and picture comparisons. Depth of field, gamma correction etc all are used.
In 3D mode it's 30fps (for each eye)

I don't know if these pics are new or not!!

Left without HDR, right with HDR


yeah, those crappy specs are producing graphics like this and no one is satisfied? seriously?

people here are _______ i mean the type for the 3ds was high thanks to videos and pictures of the games, yet when they saw the specs they instantly became disappointed. so basically what really matters is the specs inside the box, rather than the great stuff its doing with the graphics..smh. basically what you have is a xbox/gamecube+ in the palm of your hands and youre not satisfied? seriously? Rahnyc4

MT Framework Mobile on 3DS

- Resident Evil Revelations
Revelations started for 3DS,it's not a project that was on another hardware and then moved to 3DS.
Takuechi says that at first people couldn't believe the results they were getting.
The game utilizes all the common rendering techniques on 360/PS3 like HDR rendering, surface shaders and normal maps, there are a lot more details in there and picture comparisons. Depth of field, gamma correction etc all are used.
In 3D mode it's 30fps (for each eye)

I don't know if these pics are new or not!!

Left without HDR, right with HDR

#
yeah, those crappy specs are producing graphics like this and no one is satisfied? seriously?

Rahnyc4

[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="gamer620"] What is disappointing about the GPU? The article itself states that numerous developers likened it's graphical capabilities to the 360 and PS3... how is that disappointing? Especially for a hand held? What standards are you expecting? sayyy-gaa

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"][QUOTE="themyth01"] The GPU is an outdated design made back in 2006 which still uses a fixed graphics pipeline since it uses OpenGL ES 1.1. That means there won't be as much variation between games' graphics as with newer GPUs. Fortunately the CPU looks like it'll be good, but the GPU is very disappointing. themyth01

...expensive

[QUOTE="sayyy-gaa"][QUOTE="themyth01"] The GPU is an outdated design made back in 2006 which still uses a fixed graphics pipeline since it uses OpenGL ES 1.1. That means there won't be as much variation between games' graphics as with newer GPUs. Fortunately the CPU looks like it'll be good, but the GPU is very disappointing. themyth01

I suspect $250, because Nintendo prices their hardware according to what they think consumers are willing to spend rather than manufacturing costs. And because a lot of people are really looking forward to this thing, I think they'll be able to get away with it.

People panicking over this makes me LOL. The 3DS has to pump out a significantly smaller number of pixels than HD home consoles. Think about it, all the screen space on the 3ds is much less than that of your 50" flat screenThese specs are astounding when compared to the DSi's. Its like the wii jumping up to PS3 levels. The technology is cheap, and I think nintendo has found the perfect formula.

it will be a great system i just wish it was a bigger jump from the psp. i am sure psp 2 will be a power house .

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

Not weird...it's Nintendo. Dude, when I was a young whippersnapper we talked all day about why the original(i.e. brick) gameboy was so big and bulky and in B/W. My friends and I thought for sure everyone would get a game gear or TG16.20 years later Ninty is doing the same thing,and it's working. sayyy-gaa

The only thing that will cast a shadow over the 3ds is the 3ds advance when it's released 6 years from now. Every precedent for the past 20+ years has shown that technically superior handhelds won't do anything to nintendo's dominance.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] This unlike the game gear. You can have a device that does the features of a phone, gaming system, HD video player, MP3 player, camera , etc all in one small unit with an app store allowing for easy download of games. Not to mention new devices can also use 3D touchscreens. If a company like sony teams up with android and launches a gaming phone with something like the tegra, then it will really pressure the 3DS. Another thing about tegra is it can use HDMI out to a TV and display in 720 and 1080 allowing people to play music, movies and games on the big screen. The idea of having a handheld paired with 3G to allow online games on the go. All of this can happen very fast and really cast a shadow over the 3DS. Nintendo is going to have to come hard on this one. Most likely the games will be the 3DS' show of force. Anyways speculation aside I think we still need to wait and see. Too much information is unknown.

sayyy-gaa

The only thing that will cast a shadow over the 3ds is the 3ds advance when it's released 6 years from now. Every precedent for the past 20+ years has shown that technically superior handhelds won't do anything to nintendo's dominance.

[Edit] The funny thing is Nintendo still emphasizes that on their customer service page: "When Nintendo created the Game Boy Advance, we wanted to provide our consumers with the most powerful hardware at the best possible price." [link]

People talk like gameboy is the ****(in many ways it is :P )but haven't realised its only had a small bit of competition. There was the Game Gear which was great for games, but huge and also ate batteries like a beast. And then there was the PSP that also had potential, but Sony obviously did something wrong as it was a device loaded with flaws. But now we come to a new reality. One where game companies are trying to get into portable gaming on devices like phones. Companies like Nvidia, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, Texus Instruments, etc. all pushing powerful hardware into phones, media players, tablets. I would like to see how Nintendo faces off against future Android/Windows Mobile 7/Apple devices. Not to mention Sony's next PSP which is rumoured to be a phone with android. I think people should hold off before making such claims of 3DS dominance because the portable gaming market is about to change.

People talk like gameboy is the ****(in many ways it is :P )but haven't realised its only had a small bit of competition. There was the Game Gear which was great for games, but huge and also ate batteries like a beast. And then there was the PSP that also had potential, but Sony obviously did something wrong as it was a device loaded with flaws. But now we come to a new reality. One where game companies are trying to get into portable gaming on devices like phones. Companies like Nvidia, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, Texus Instruments, etc. all pushing powerful hardware into phones, media players, tablets. I would like to see how Nintendo faces off against future Android/Windows Mobile 7/Apple devices. Not to mention Sony's next PSP which is rumoured to be a phone with android. I think people should hold off before making such claims of 3DS dominance because the portable gaming market is about to change.

NVIDIATI

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

People talk like gameboy is the ****(in many ways it is :P )but haven't realised its only had a small bit of competition. There was the Game Gear which was great for games, but huge and also ate batteries like a beast. And then there was the PSP that also had potential, but Sony obviously did something wrong as it was a device loaded with flaws. But now we come to a new reality. One where game companies are trying to get into portable gaming on devices like phones. Companies like Nvidia, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, Texus Instruments, etc. all pushing powerful hardware into phones, media players, tablets. I would like to see how Nintendo faces off against future Android/Windows Mobile 7/Apple devices. Not to mention Sony's next PSP which is rumoured to be a phone with android. I think people should hold off before making such claims of 3DS dominance because the portable gaming market is about to change.

SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

People talk like gameboy is the ****(in many ways it is :P )but haven't realised its only had a small bit of competition. There was the Game Gear which was great for games, but huge and also ate batteries like a beast. And then there was the PSP that also had potential, but Sony obviously did something wrong as it was a device loaded with flaws. But now we come to a new reality. One where game companies are trying to get into portable gaming on devices like phones. Companies like Nvidia, Qualcomm, Intel, AMD, Texus Instruments, etc. all pushing powerful hardware into phones, media players, tablets. I would like to see how Nintendo faces off against future Android/Windows Mobile 7/Apple devices. Not to mention Sony's next PSP which is rumoured to be a phone with android. I think people should hold off before making such claims of 3DS dominance because the portable gaming market is about to change.

NVIDIATI

We heard the same song with the NGage.SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] We heard the same song with the NGage.SaltyMeatballs

That was a time before smartphones even existed... from graphics, to performance, to install base, to interest and usage, smartphones already have all of these things re: gaming. At this point the only thing they're missing are slide-out controls and the backing of a competent gaming company to encourage more premium products.

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]

MT Framework Mobile on 3DS

- Resident Evil Revelations
Revelations started for 3DS,it's not a project that was on another hardware and then moved to 3DS.
Takuechi says that at first people couldn't believe the results they were getting.
The game utilizes all the common rendering techniques on 360/PS3 like HDR rendering, surface shaders and normal maps, there are a lot more details in there and picture comparisons. Depth of field, gamma correction etc all are used.
In 3D mode it's 30fps (for each eye)

I don't know if these pics are new or not!!

Left without HDR, right with HDR

#
yeah, those crappy specs are producing graphics like this and no one is satisfied? seriously?

SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]

[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]

MT Framework Mobile on 3DS

- Resident Evil Revelations
Revelations started for 3DS,it's not a project that was on another hardware and then moved to 3DS.
Takuechi says that at first people couldn't believe the results they were getting.
The game utilizes all the common rendering techniques on 360/PS3 like HDR rendering, surface shaders and normal maps, there are a lot more details in there and picture comparisons. Depth of field, gamma correction etc all are used.
In 3D mode it's 30fps (for each eye)

I don't know if these pics are new or not!!

Left without HDR, right with HDR

#
yeah, those crappy specs are producing graphics like this and no one is satisfied? seriously?

Willy105

[QUOTE="Willy105"]

[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] I know right, before everyone was like OMG awesome. Now suddenly many people understands specs (don't really tell us much either way) and are disappointed...

SaltyMeatballs

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="R4gn4r0k"]

The specs are pretty comparable to those of a gamecube. Which anyone would expect since:

GB ~ NES
GBA ~ SNES
DS ~ N64
3DS ~ Gamecube

Willy105

The original GB was nowhere near the power of the nes.

True and true. All I was trying to say is that they always move one gen up. People expecting better hardware and graphics were just fooling themselves.

Also I used '~' and not '='. And the word 'comparable' and not 'equal'

[QUOTE="Pixel-Pirate"]

It's nintendo. Were you really expecting a super powered system that would require them to charge 300+ dollars to break even?

ZIVX

No they never did that, you did that yourself

All they have promoted is the 3D, and new software