720/PS4 will kill PC gaming FOR GOOD!!!

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

HonkyTonkGamer

Which Total War game is on consoles or has been annonced for consoles? Or any game even in the same scale as Total War on consoles?

PC gaming is doing so good it doesnt have a baseball game, football game, and hockey game. EA stop its support for PC, lets not act like thats a big deal though, lets not act like Alan Wake getting cancelled on the PC means anything, or what happened with MW2 with sales and devs focus on the consoles, or the fact that devs market the consoles always first, the list goes on and on...

[QUOTE="blizzvalve"]

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

Far fewer and far less and game sales are way down on PC. And I said about mid way through next gen is when the PC will truly being on life support and begging for mercy. 85% of hermits will become Cows or Lemmings next gen they will have no choice.

HonkyTonkGamer

Have you ever looked at Steam. Steam sales have been doubling for the last few years. Steam, along with other DD services like GOG and Direct2Drive, are becomming the new standards for PC gaming. The only problem is Steam and other DD sites refuse to show sales numbers to the NPD and other sources. The only thing to tell about PC sales is sales in retail, which is going down (the reason why fanboys clainm that PC gaming is dying). Although I don't agree with it, DD is becoming the new standard for PC gaming.

It is growing every year, but the only problem is DD sites do not show sales numbers, which cause misconceptions like this one.

And this brings up another point I had. I can see a service like Steam maybe even MS and Sony cutting deals and having Steam on there next systems to compete with a service like Onlive.

Either way with the home systems truly becoming the all in one multimedia home device PC days are very numbered.

your kidding, right?

Do you actually believe a console, solely bought and used for easy-to-use gaming, is going to take down PCs, tools used in everyday lives for work, educations, and overall enjoyment? Although gaming consoles are becomming more complex and having more uses, people only buy gaming consoles for one reason: gaming. Do you use your PS3 or 360 to type these posts? Do you use a PS3 or 360 to make videos, program, and do other tasks PCs do? It would be very hard to do all of these things using a controller.

Also, Steam is a centralized service that is in direct competition with PSn and XBL. Why would MS and Sony want to put thier competition on their platforms?

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

Snagal123

Which Total War game is on consoles or has been annonced for consoles? Or any game even in the same scale as Total War on consoles?

oh so RTS's are the PC's only claim to fame, AA heaven, too bad they cant touch the sales of any of the big time exclusives on consoles.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

360reachwake

Which Total War game is on consoles or has been annonced for consoles? Or any game even in the same scale as Total War on consoles?

oh so RTS's are the PC's only claim to fame, AA heaven, too bad they cant touch the sales of any of the big time exclusives on consoles.

Ahhh the old sales argument.

Remeber kids, its only a good game if it sells 10million!

If you are a PC gamer hang on to your fond memories why you can because you are in your last years of survivalHonkyTonkGamer

PC gaming is doing so good it doesnt have a baseball game, football game, and hockey game. EA stop its support for PC, lets not act like thats a big deal though, lets not act like Alan Wake getting cancelled on the PC means anything, or what happened with MW2 with sales and devs focus on the consoles, or the fact that devs market the consoles always first, the list goes on and on...

360reachwake

[QUOTE="360reachwake"]

PC gaming is doing so good it doesnt have a baseball game, football game, and hockey game. EA stop its support for PC, lets not act like thats a big deal though, lets not act like Alan Wake getting cancelled on the PC means anything, or what happened with MW2 with sales and devs focus on the consoles, or the fact that devs market the consoles always first, the list goes on and on...

salxis

We are ready see games like a once for sure PC only type game like Sacred 2 come to 360. Don't be suprized if we end up seeing Diablo 3 on 360 at some point.

It's all about sales and all developers know home systems brings in the gravy. Sorry hermits i'm not saying I want this but sadly the days of sitting in the basement with the shades shut unshaven for days being a PC hermit are coming to a close.

It's all about chilling on the sofa ordering a pizza and watching movies and gaming on a big TV with full online and DL features. And with stuff like natal that you can voice and vision reconize everything. It's all about chilling in the living room now all in one media with ease.

It would be more fun if the people who made these threads actually bothered doing research.

It's always the same old uninformed assumptions that are easily disproved.

We have already seen less and less and far fewer PC games in the past few years.

HonkyTonkGamer

Bam, more exclusives on PC than all the consoles combined.

No real point in looking at the rest, right from the get go he was wrong.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

Well just go google info on this. I'm to lazy right now I may later.

Here is a quick example though. Look at big games that are coming out later or being cancled on PC. Alan Wake comes to mind.

But here is a good example. Big games like Assasins Creed 2 comes out many months later for PC. Why because PC gaming is taking a major back seat and it is only going to get much worse.

Also look at a game like COD once a dominant PC game. Sales crush the PC on home systems now. And like I said PC games are even moving away from Dedicated servers. It's all about money and PC gaming is not a priority to developers anymore.

HonkyTonkGamer

A central part of the problem is that you're looking at the market from a console player's point of view. The PC has more games released than the X360, more games are developed and more games released. You're mentioning titles that are produced with the consoles in mind.. nothing wrong with that mind you, but You don't mention top tier games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico was released on the X360 months after the PC version. Your argument amounts to saying that the X360 is dying because Uncharted hasn't been released on the X360.

Now.. the most profitable game .. ever? World of Warcraft on the PC. The most played game in the world.. ever? Farmville, the facebook app, with over 80 million regular users.. that more than all X360 and PS3 sold (too bad the game sucks but eh..).

Now, is there a problem with piracy on the PC? Yes, no doubt about it, and yes that's going to affect the PC games market. Is the problem ever going to go away, no not entirely but odds are that solutions will be found and an equilibrium reached (I think EA's DLC focused approach is one of the better ideas I've seen when it comes to deal with the problem). But it doesn't mean that PC gaming is dying, it's changing, the consoles will have to go through many of the same changes and challenges when the next generation approaches.

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

I agree but that's a two way road. The PC has been seeing an increasing number of classic console franchises released on the PC. Street Fighter 4, Devil May Cry 4, Resident Evil 4 and 5. So yes, you're right you're seeing more and more game that traditionally belonged on the PC and Genres that traditionally belonged on the PC appear on the Consoles. However you're also seeing more and more games that traditionally belong on the Consoles appear on the PC. And at the end of the day it's an uneven fight since the PC cannot loose. If the console sales drop, it might kill the console company, if PC games fall.. it will just slow down and create a temporary slump in the market. PC's server so many other purposes that they will continue to be produced, people will continue to have them in their homes. Because of that, PC gaming won't die.

Also your argument that consoles are becoming able to do more and more, and soon they will be the only entertainment system you'll need!.. YES!!.. Actually it's already happened.. it's called a PC :) This does however present the big paradox facing consoles. The end users are asking for more and more features and functions for their consoles. They don't just want to play games, they want online access, they want to watch movies, chat, rent games, buy games, rent and watch movies, chat, voice chat, browse the next, download demos, post on forums...

The two big advantages the consoles have when compared to a PC is cost and ease of use. The cost has been slowly eroding due to the gradual drop in PC hardware prices. A console is still cheaper but the margin is becoming smaller. The second advantage, ease of use.. the more features you add, the more you need the machine to be able to do, the more complex it becomes. Consoles have already found themselves starting to deal with patches, installations, user accounts, subscriptions. The more you add to truly make it 'the only entertainment machine you'll need'. The more complex it's going to become. By the time you're done adding features, it will cost the same as a PC, and work more or less the same. It will really just be a PC with a brand and a premium cost added.

We have already seen less and less and far fewer PC games in the past few years. And the good PC games come to 360 and most of the time to PS3. Look at even the mighty Crytek Engine that runs the ubber ultra owns anything graphics king Crysis games. Well they are making this engine run for home systems. Why because they know PC gaming is close to going totally belly up. I know we have been saying this for years. Look at Nvidia recently there has been rumors of them folding and ATI taking over.

With the inclusion of networks like Onlive that will offer full digital DL and maxed out PC level graphics. And with the next 720 and PS4 offering close to endless storage space and DL content for gaming. PC gaming will be so close to dead in the water it is not even funny.

And look even the holy grail of PC gaming dedicated servers are starting to become no more on PC even.

If you are a PC gamer hang on to your fond memories why you can because you are in your last years of survival:shock:

HonkyTonkGamer

It would be more fun if the people who made these threads actually bothered doing research.

It's always the same old uninformed assumptions that are easily disproved.

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

We have already seen less and less and far fewer PC games in the past few years.

AnnoyedDragon

Bam, more exclusives on PC than all the consoles combined.

No real point in looking at the rest, right from the get go he was wrong.

yeah pc gaming is doing so good you are so right and offers the best gaming experience, lol, any games like GOD OF WAR 3? No, Any games like Madden 10? lol NO, Mlb the Show 2010? No, any games like Halo Reach? Yeah Crysis about 2 years ago, LOL, any games like Heavy Rain? Indigo prophecy baby, it came out 10 years ago, lol. I mean please, the "real" games are coming out for the consoles, PC gaming is dead last, it might be expansion heaven, RTS Galore, and World of Warcraft 3 which is how old? At least console gamers get sequels of great games and you dont have to be playing games like starcraft for 12 years or whatever lol.

PC gaming is doing so good it doesnt have a baseball game, football game, and hockey game. EA stop its support for PC, lets not act like thats a big deal though, lets not act like Alan Wake getting cancelled on the PC means anything, or what happened with MW2 with sales and devs focus on the consoles, or the fact that devs market the consoles always first, the list goes on and on...

360reachwake

Sports was never strong on PC. And then it's really a milking product... for some reason it sells on consoles.

Alan wake is a disapointement, i'll admit that.

MW2 is garbage... i'm sorry, if you haven't realise this or fallowed what happen, then don't even mention it.

If devs market the console first, then why is there more exclusive for PC or multiplate usualy end up better on PC?

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

360reachwake

Which Total War game is on consoles or has been annonced for consoles? Or any game even in the same scale as Total War on consoles?

oh so RTS's are the PC's only claim to fame, AA heaven, too bad they cant touch the sales of any of the big time exclusives on consoles.

I'll just say "WOW" and that will beat your entire argument.

[QUOTE="salxis"][QUOTE="360reachwake"]

PC gaming is doing so good it doesnt have a baseball game, football game, and hockey game. EA stop its support for PC, lets not act like thats a big deal though, lets not act like Alan Wake getting cancelled on the PC means anything, or what happened with MW2 with sales and devs focus on the consoles, or the fact that devs market the consoles always first, the list goes on and on...

HonkyTonkGamer

We are ready see games like a once for sure PC only type game like Sacred 2 come to 360. Don't be suprized if we end up seeing Diablo 3 on 360 at some point.

It's all about sales and all developers know home systems brings in the gravy. Sorry hermits i'm not saying I want this but sadly the days of sitting in the basement with the shades shut unshaven for days being a PC hermit are coming to a close.

It's all about chilling on the sofa ordering a pizza and watching movies and gaming on a big TV with full online and DL features. And with stuff like natal that you can voice and vision reconize everything. It's all about chilling in the living room now all in one media with ease.

No, it's all about multiplate system theses days... they could careless about PC,console and handelds war, they want money.

[QUOTE="salxis"]I'll never understand why people want a plateform to "die"HonkyTonkGamer

I'm not saying I want it to happen it is just going to happen.

Look at Nvidia recently there are rumors they are looking at options because of struggling sales and feel they are a dying breed in PC GPU market.

It's happened because of Intel just announced the new CPU called "Clarkdale", it's has CPU and GPU in one chipset.

yeah pc gaming is doing so good you are so right and offers the best gaming experience, lol, any games like GOD OF WAR 3? No, Any games like Madden 10? lol NO, Mlb the Show 2010? No, any games like Halo Reach? Yeah Crysis about 2 years ago, LOL, any games like Heavy Rain? Indigo prophecy baby, it came out 10 years ago, lol. I mean please, the "real" games are coming out for the consoles, PC gaming is dead last, it might be expansion heaven, RTS Galore, and World of Warcraft 3 which is how old? At least console gamers get sequels of great games and you dont have to be playing games like starcraft for 12 years or whatever lol.

360reachwake

I'm afraid you are going to have to do better than that :P

Anyone can list a bunch of games not on a platform and declare superiority. GS has reviewed over 150 exclusive games on PC, all developers that chose to remain exclusive on PC and not consoles. Consoles have like what? Under 40?

Hell, some of the games you listed are 1st/2nd party, I'm sure PC is dying because Sony isn't releasing games they funded on PC :lol: By that logic PS3 is dying because Microsoft won't release Halo 3 on it.

Nothing you say is going to concern me, because regardless of what you say; more developers choose to remain PC exclusive than console exclusive. It has become so bad that Sony/Microsoft are forced to self fund games like Heavy Rain and Alan Wake to stay competitive.

Without 1st party support consoles would be nothing but a cross platform dumping ground, I pity you.

Best of all? It is going to get worse for consoles next gen. Higher costs, less exclusives, more self development. And where are all those developers escaping consoles bloated development costs are going to go? Well, Our exclusivity list speaks for itself.

you know once PC gaming dies (which it never will because its just so much better, but lets say hypothetically it does), that will be the day that pretty much gameplay innovation dies. pretty much every big genre and subgenre started out on PC except for platformers (donkey kong) and racing (outrun). fps, rts, mmo, rpg and every subgenre of those genres has come out of PC. survival FPS (stalker), arcade shooters, rpg shooters (deus ex) , twitch shooters (quake), tactical shooters (rainbow six) all started on PC. i dont need to explain rts (the only early RTS i can think of was Hertzog zwee(total mispell) on the genesis) and mmo. rpgs were around during the original zelda games, however they were textbased and therefore had more options in the story arc. without PC games we would have all these games eventually, but at a later time than now. PC devs always innovated because of the possibilities that the PC allows. it can use any control scheme, handles more stuff at once (power) and is usually easier to program for (i think, just a guess though because it seems like lots of devs complain about the cell, but PC devs never complain about PC architecture much)

[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

It would be more fun if the people who made these threads actually bothered doing research.

It's always the same old uninformed assumptions that are easily disproved.

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

We have already seen less and less and far fewer PC games in the past few years.

360reachwake

Bam, more exclusives on PC than all the consoles combined.

No real point in looking at the rest, right from the get go he was wrong.

yeah pc gaming is doing so good you are so right and offers the best gaming experience, lol, any games like GOD OF WAR 3? No, Any games like Madden 10? lol NO, Mlb the Show 2010? No, any games like Halo Reach? Yeah Crysis about 2 years ago, LOL, any games like Heavy Rain? Indigo prophecy baby, it came out 10 years ago, lol. I mean please, the "real" games are coming out for the consoles, PC gaming is dead last, it might be expansion heaven, RTS Galore, and World of Warcraft 3 which is how old? At least console gamers get sequels of great games and you dont have to be playing games like starcraft for 12 years or whatever lol.

For each of the popular console games there are popular PC games, Where's the console equivalents to WoW: Cataclysm, to STALKER: CoP, to Shattered Horizons, To Anno 1404, to Star Craft 2, Mount and Blade: Warband, Hearts of Iron, Europa Universalis, Total War: Napoleon, Civilizaion V (no the over simplified Civ-revolutions is not a worthy replacement), Where's Dawn of War 2: Chaos Rising

Also, it's interesting that you feel it necessary to bring up both X360 and PS3 titles to even compete. Of course you can start claiming that some games are 'real' games, I guess that's the only way you'll end up with more games on the consoles.. by claiming that the games on the PC are somehow not real and doesn't count.

The death of PC gaming would almost certainly have negative effect the advancement of console gaming. I don't understand why people keep wishing for it to happen.Marka1700

Simple. Insecurity.

The death of PC gaming would almost certainly have negative effect the advancement of console gaming. I don't understand why people keep wishing for it to happen.Marka1700

It's a silly argument anyways. As I've tried to point out earlier, the idea that PC gaming can die is silly in the first place. Consoles can become outdated and replaced. But since PC's are used by so many people for so many things there will always be a market for gaming on the PC. As long as there's a market, there will be supply. Pretty much everyone needs PC's almost everyone in the wester world have at least one PC in their home and they will keep buying newer and better PC's. Because of that PC gaming wil continue to thrive.

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]The death of PC gaming would almost certainly have negative effect the advancement of console gaming. I don't understand why people keep wishing for it to happen.Valiant_Rebel

Simple. Insecurity.

Oh I'm sure they would cheer about it for a few days, then they would remember all three current generation consoles are equipped with PC GPU architecture.

No, the 720/PS4 won't kill pc gaming. Sony and Microsoft will go the way of the wii next gen. Sorry to break it you but crappy motion controls is the future of console gaming :lol:

Piriacy is the only thing that can kill PC gaming.

We have already seen less and less and far fewer PC games in the past few years. And the good PC games come to 360 and most of the time to PS3. Look at even the mighty Crytek Engine that runs the ubber ultra owns anything graphics king Crysis games. Well they are making this engine run for home systems. Why because they know PC gaming is close to going totally belly up. I know we have been saying this for years. Look at Nvidia recently there has been rumors of them folding and ATI taking over.

With the inclusion of networks like Onlive that will offer full digital DL and maxed out PC level graphics. And with the next 720 and PS4 offering close to endless storage space and DL content for gaming. PC gaming will be so close to dead in the water it is not even funny.

And look even the holy grail of PC gaming dedicated servers are starting to become no more on PC even.

If you are a PC gamer hang on to your fond memories why you can because you are in your last years of survival:shock:

We have already seen less and less and far fewer PC games in the past few years. And the good PC games come to 360 and most of the time to PS3. Look at even the mighty Crytek Engine that runs the ubber ultra owns anything graphics king Crysis games. Well they are making this engine run for home systems. Why because they know PC gaming is close to going totally belly up. I know we have been saying this for years. Look at Nvidia recently there has been rumors of them folding and ATI taking over.

With the inclusion of networks like Onlive that will offer full digital DL and maxed out PC level graphics. And with the next 720 and PS4 offering close to endless storage space and DL content for gaming. PC gaming will be so close to dead in the water it is not even funny.

And look even the holy grail of PC gaming dedicated servers are starting to become no more on PC even.

If you are a PC gamer hang on to your fond memories why you can because you are in your last years of survival:shock:

PC gaming will never die. Maybe just in an even bigger figurative way it could die as in not being the same as before. Bacause maybe stuff like publishers scared of piracy leave the scene and it becomes indie galore. But even then PC gaming would still exist, so you are talking nonsense.

Why are we hermits getting so flamed in the last few days?

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

No one can argue that PC gaming is at it's lowest point sales wise and amount of people gaming on PC ever. And it is only going to continue to drindle down drastically.

By mid way through PS4 and 720 and Onlive. And maybe even a similar service offered by MS and maybe even Sony. I'm sure they want in on the Onlive type service. PC gaming is going to be limping along like a badly wounded dog on life support.

Vandalvideo

No one can argue that PC gaming is at it's lowest point sales wise and amount of people gaming on PC ever. And it is only going to continue to drindle down drastically.

By mid way through PS4 and 720 and Onlive. And maybe even a similar service offered by MS and maybe even Sony. I'm sure they want in on the Onlive type service. PC gaming is going to be limping along like a badly wounded dog on life support.

Oh, and if steam goes to MAC then this theory is blown to smitherines... yup, smitherines, like smithers and submarines combined.Phazevariance

Not quite when all MAC's will be able to play mostly is the peggle library.

... Fewer pc games? You mean fewer hype fests? IMO I am all for that, in these years where there are these huge hype campaigns.. I have seen far fewer unique titles.sSubZerOo

This is true. Some people, especially consolites, confuse hype with actual quality.

Just as many PC gamers can be considered graphicwhores. Many consolites can be considered hypewhores.

[QUOTE="ElTriforceo"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Fine; prove to me that the total amount of ALL pc gamers now is less than it has been in the past. Also, prove to me that the total amount of ALL pc revenue is lower now than it has been in the past. I'm expecting statistics too. Phazevariance

[QUOTE="Marka1700"]The death of PC gaming would almost certainly have negative effect the advancement of console gaming. I don't understand why people keep wishing for it to happen.Mazoch

It's a silly argument anyways. As I've tried to point out earlier, the idea that PC gaming can die is silly in the first place. Consoles can become outdated and replaced. But since PC's are used by so many people for so many things there will always be a market for gaming on the PC. As long as there's a market, there will be supply. Pretty much everyone needs PC's almost everyone in the wester world have at least one PC in their home and they will keep buying newer and better PC's. Because of that PC gaming wil continue to thrive.

Services like Onlive and for sure Sony and MS will opt to offer a simalar service next gen. Most likely MS will. People will just prefer to do all the DL games and onlive style games service on the fly on a home system in the living room with the family. And this will further render PC gaming and all the upgrades usless.

Cloud gaming service is going to be the future and it will be most successful in the living room on a home system. I gareentee the next gen will be way more geared towards DL and offer a form of cloud gaming from like Xbox Live. It's going to happen.

The PC has been Left 4 Dead many times but somehow it never dies. :P

I think 720/PS4 will improve pc, not kill it. Nowadays most games are ported from x360 to pc. That is why most games don't look a lot better on pc (only better framerate, resolution, AA and slightly better textures). We all know how great pc exclusives can look, like crysis for example. If they port games from next gen consoles, they will look much better on pc, than current gen pc ports.

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

Well just go google info on this. I'm to lazy right now I may later.

Here is a quick example though. Look at big games that are coming out later or being cancled on PC. Alan Wake comes to mind.

But here is a good example. Big games like Assasins Creed 2 comes out many months later for PC. Why because PC gaming is taking a major back seat and it is only going to get much worse.

Also look at a game like COD once a dominant PC game. Sales crush the PC on home systems now. And like I said PC games are even moving away from Dedicated servers. It's all about money and PC gaming is not a priority to developers anymore.

HonkyTonkGamer

A central part of the problem is that you're looking at the market from a console player's point of view. The PC has more games released than the X360, more games are developed and more games released. You're mentioning titles that are produced with the consoles in mind.. nothing wrong with that mind you, but You don't mention top tier games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico was released on the X360 months after the PC version. Your argument amounts to saying that the X360 is dying because Uncharted hasn't been released on the X360.

Now.. the most profitable game .. ever? World of Warcraft on the PC. The most played game in the world.. ever? Farmville, the facebook app, with over 80 million regular users.. that more than all X360 and PS3 sold (too bad the game sucks but eh..).

Now, is there a problem with piracy on the PC? Yes, no doubt about it, and yes that's going to affect the PC games market. Is the problem ever going to go away, no not entirely but odds are that solutions will be found and an equilibrium reached (I think EA's DLC focused approach is one of the better ideas I've seen when it comes to deal with the problem). But it doesn't mean that PC gaming is dying, it's changing, the consoles will have to go through many of the same changes and challenges when the next generation approaches.

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

trust me, if onlive becomes global, no one wants a 360/720/PS3/PS4

[QUOTE="Mazoch"]

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

Well just go google info on this. I'm to lazy right now I may later.

Here is a quick example though. Look at big games that are coming out later or being cancled on PC. Alan Wake comes to mind.

But here is a good example. Big games like Assasins Creed 2 comes out many months later for PC. Why because PC gaming is taking a major back seat and it is only going to get much worse.

Also look at a game like COD once a dominant PC game. Sales crush the PC on home systems now. And like I said PC games are even moving away from Dedicated servers. It's all about money and PC gaming is not a priority to developers anymore.

HonkyTonkGamer

A central part of the problem is that you're looking at the market from a console player's point of view. The PC has more games released than the X360, more games are developed and more games released. You're mentioning titles that are produced with the consoles in mind.. nothing wrong with that mind you, but You don't mention top tier games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico was released on the X360 months after the PC version. Your argument amounts to saying that the X360 is dying because Uncharted hasn't been released on the X360.

Now.. the most profitable game .. ever? World of Warcraft on the PC. The most played game in the world.. ever? Farmville, the facebook app, with over 80 million regular users.. that more than all X360 and PS3 sold (too bad the game sucks but eh..).

Now, is there a problem with piracy on the PC? Yes, no doubt about it, and yes that's going to affect the PC games market. Is the problem ever going to go away, no not entirely but odds are that solutions will be found and an equilibrium reached (I think EA's DLC focused approach is one of the better ideas I've seen when it comes to deal with the problem). But it doesn't mean that PC gaming is dying, it's changing, the consoles will have to go through many of the same changes and challenges when the next generation approaches.

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

You think so do you? Then why is EA, one of the biggest game publishers, making C&C 4 only on the PC after releasing previous C&C games on consoles? They were one of the biggest proponents of RTS games on consoles and it looks like they have totally abandoned it. How about games like WiC which was announced on the PC/360 and then got cancelled on the 360. To put in perspective the PC had twice as many A+ strategy games last year than the 360 has had since it was released. It is inevitable that devs will try out strategy games on the 360, but from what we have seen so far they soon abandon it in favor of the PC, so no I dont think you will see games like Total War, SC or Tropico becoming normal on consoles.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

[QUOTE="HonkyTonkGamer"]

And games like Total War, Star Craft 2, Tropico are starting to become normal for home systems weather it is late or not. You used to never see these kinds of games on home systems. once sacred PC games are becoming normal on Home systems especialy the 360 MS systems.

360reachwake

Which Total War game is on consoles or has been annonced for consoles? Or any game even in the same scale as Total War on consoles?

oh so RTS's are the PC's only claim to fame, AA heaven, too bad they cant touch the sales of any of the big time exclusives on consoles.

Without PC gaming, console gaming would cease to exist. So count yourself lucky that PC gaming hasn't died.

incorrect. Even if they managed to produce a next generation of consoles (which would be way down the line, according to industry execs) keeping them competitive with PC hardware would make them very expensive.

The PC has been Left 4 Dead many times but somehow it never dies. :P

SecretPolice

Hehe, made me laugh. I laughed about the 3 1/4 hand aswell. :>

Anyway, if anything is going to kill PC gaming it'll be piracy. Read this:http://www.tweakguides.com/Piracy_1.html. It's quite long but it's quite enlightening.

Well just go google info on this. I'm to lazy right now I may later.

Here is a quick example though. Look at big games that are coming out later or being cancled on PC. Alan Wake comes to mind.

But here is a good example. Big games like Assasins Creed 2 comes out many months later for PC. Why because PC gaming is taking a major back seat and it is only going to get much worse.

Also look at a game like COD once a dominant PC game. Sales crush the PC on home systems now. And like I said PC games are even moving away from Dedicated servers. It's all about money and PC gaming is not a priority to developers anymore.

HonkyTonkGamer

the onus of proof is on you, not him.