A reminder about posts claiming Damage Control

Why is everyone complaining about this? Saying "damage control" is obviously trolling, spam, and distruptive posting:

Disruptive Behavior - Behavior that disrupts the Service for other users, intentional or not, are prohibited. This includes, but is not limited to: messages or topic titles that force browsers to scroll horizontally; large blank or content-free messages; "bumping" multiple older topics (posting in them well after the last post); posting multiple identical or near-identical messages or topics, including "fad" posts or topics; intentionally hard-to-read topic titles or posts (i.e. ALL CAPS, AlTeRnAtE cApS, no spaces, no or excessive punctuation); posting multiple hard-to-read or nonsensical messages in a single or multiple topics; posting large ASCII art (except in social topics specifically calling for it); or post counting (i.e. "First", "100th Post"). Shouting or otherwise creating noise in an active voice channel is considered disruptive behavior.

Casey is not making this rule up, it's been in the ToU for years.

and here is the description of trolling.

Trolling (Inciting flames) - Messages intended solely to annoy and/or offend other users by going against the clear nature of a board, topic or chat room are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to: provoking other users to respond with flames; provoking fans of a particular system or game, especially on boards or topics dedicated to that system or game; making misleading topic titles; asking obviously useless questions; and posting false information as fact.

and here is the description of trolling.

Trolling (Inciting flames) - Messages intended solely to annoy and/or offend other users by going against the clear nature of a board, topic or chat room are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to: provoking other users to respond with flames; provoking fans of a particular system or game, especially on boards or topics dedicated to that system or game; making misleading topic titles; asking obviously useless questions; and posting false information as fact.

CaseyWegner

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and here is the description of trolling.

Trolling (Inciting flames) - Messages intended solely to annoy and/or offend other users by going against the clear nature of a board, topic or chat room are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to: provoking other users to respond with flames; provoking fans of a particular system or game, especially on boards or topics dedicated to that system or game; making misleading topic titles; asking obviously useless questions; and posting false information as fact.

Unforgiven2870

the TOS is in full effect...even in system wars. this thread serves as a remider and clarification regarding part of it.

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and here is the description of trolling.

Trolling (Inciting flames) - Messages intended solely to annoy and/or offend other users by going against the clear nature of a board, topic or chat room are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to: provoking other users to respond with flames; provoking fans of a particular system or game, especially on boards or topics dedicated to that system or game; making misleading topic titles; asking obviously useless questions; and posting false information as fact.

TrueReligion_

and here is the description of trolling.

Trolling (Inciting flames) - Messages intended solely to annoy and/or offend other users by going against the clear nature of a board, topic or chat room are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to: provoking other users to respond with flames; provoking fans of a particular system or game, especially on boards or topics dedicated to that system or game; making misleading topic titles; asking obviously useless questions; and posting false information as fact.

CaseyWegner

I've also found that much can be said in the phrase "damage control". The problem I have with such sweeping legislation is that it supposes that there is no meaningful motive or message behind people saying it. Some posts simply are DAMAGE CONTROL. By very definition. Asking someone to justify the statement or face moderation is often unnecessary. It is what it is.  Perhaps some people say "damage control" just to be doing something, but others say it because they see nothing but spin and irrational thought in a post and posted how they felt about the point.  Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. 

In closing, I find this truth: while there are always rules in life, this is one of the only places that I've found to be anal and draconian about the enforcement of them to the extreme. I wonder how communities would react if cops gave everyone a ticket for driving 36 in the 35...or J-Walking...or speeding through a light that JUST TURNED YELLOW. Even in law, there is flexibility that parallels life itself. life is not an anal, perfection-based experience. Taking the forums best an most interesting posters out of the game for stretches of time because of things like this simply degrades the quality of the forum.

I appreciate Casey, Omni and JakeT in particular, but Gamespot asks people to strip the personality out of the posts and live in fear of the almighty "your moderation has been accepted!" for the smallest comments.

More balance is in order, gentlemen. It'll make SW an enjoyable place again.

We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Dreams-Visions

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Dreams-Visions

Yet if they follow the rules they shouldn't have any problems, and the forums would be a lot tidier. I'm understand your concern is the interpretation of the subjects that is up only to mods. But while they're go down hard on some aspects, they seem to be awfully forgiving in others, which aren't any less problematic.Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Yet if they follow the rules they shouldn't have any problems, and the forums would be a lot tidier. I'm understand your concern is the interpretation of the subjects that is up only to mods. But while they're go down hard on some aspects, they seem to be awfully forgiving in others, which aren't any less problematic.Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Yet if they follow the rules they shouldn't have any problems, and the forums would be a lot tidier. I'm understand your concern is the interpretation of the subjects that is up only to mods. But while they're go down hard on some aspects, they seem to be awfully forgiving in others, which aren't any less problematic.Panzer_Zwei

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Yet if they follow the rules they shouldn't have any problems, and the forums would be a lot tidier. I'm understand your concern is the interpretation of the subjects that is up only to mods. But while they're go down hard on some aspects, they seem to be awfully forgiving in others, which aren't any less problematic.Dreams-Visions

If GS is getting glitchy they come and ask in here, while if they had gone to the techical board in the first place they would have seen their answers in there, same with all other boards, they would be better and more interesting if people bought their threads that belong there in the first place.

Last I heard posting SW stuff or acting like in SW in any other board it will get you suspended, yet in here you can get away with off-topic posting. So it doesn't look it's really the harsh GS you're making it look like.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]Yet if they follow the rules they shouldn't have any problems, and the forums would be a lot tidier. I'm understand your concern is the interpretation of the subjects that is up only to mods. But while they're go down hard on some aspects, they seem to be awfully forgiving in others, which aren't any less problematic.Panzer_Zwei

If GS is getting glitchy they come and ask in here, while if they had gone to the techical board in the first place they would have seen their answers in there, same with all other boards, they would be better and more interesting if people bought their threads that belong there in the first place.

Last I heard posting SW stuff or acting like in SW in any other board it will get you suspended, yet in here you can get away with off-topic posting. So it doesn't look it's really the harsh GS you're making it look like.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Panzer_Zwei

Ooops I was guilty of that a couple days ago lol 

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Blackbond

Ooops I was guilty of that a couple days ago lol 

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Blackbond

Ooops I was guilty of that a couple days ago lol 

:lol: So was I.  Oops.

my point is that the people going 36 in a 35 NEVER get a ticket. It's irrational, pointless and wastes the time of the driver and the officer. law is rarely concrete. it ebbs and flows, as it should be. Dreams-Visions

You may very well get a warning though. Consider having your post deleted, and a warning not to do it again being the same thing.

i just think it's funny that when lemmings were doing it when dmc4 was announced for 360 this wasn't an issue but now that cows have started doing it "it's out of hand."InfamousC

Perhaps its because there have been two instances in close succession of half of the posts in SW being on the same subject and being filled with DAMAGE CONTROL posts?

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I don't understand why people are having a problem with this. Having your point dismissed out of hand, often when its perfectly valid is annoying and pointless. If you can't be bothered saying why you disagree, don't bother at all.

i just think it's funny that when lemmings were doing it when dmc4 was announced for 360 this wasn't an issue but now that cows have started doing it "it's out of hand."InfamousC

I just think you're funny period :| 

Casey suspended me cause he thought I had a superior complex. He tagged it as trolling, but the real reason was I was the one being picked on. I had to act firm and confindent on what I was saying because I know 1 of the 3 guys would have ate me apart if I was wrong or brought a weak arguement. Especially a mod challenging your thinking. I can't help it that I'm actually a smart guy. I'm not surprise that "damage control" is getting mod-up. I honestly take it as a joke really. Laying out a good arguement and all they can say is "damage control"? What do you expect the other fanboy to say? "Gee, you are right I will buy your system of choice." No, they will insult your comments or play it off as nothing. Knowing that and seeing 'damage control" should just put a smile on your face.Socrates88

I dont think thats the mian problem...its threads/stickies by AdobeArtist and SyluxElite that really have nothing to do with SW...not trying to be hating but really Kev_Unreal and BlackBond have made alot of blog topicsRaider4Life81

Nothing new.  System Wars is becoming more restrictive each year and soon this place won't even be acknowledged, on the net, as a place to come and have fun arguing your fav platform.  The mods subjective nature in using the TOS around here has made non offensive words and phrases illegal to the point that every poster has to act trim and proper or they are banned.  That is not what WAR means. 

Gamespot seriously needs to change the name of this forum because there is no System Warring about it anymore.

We seem to be getting more and more rules, yet little of them are implemented. There's heavy off-topic threads and people keep bumping their own threads even thoughthey're stated as a violation. Maybe the mods should enforce their own rules before coming out wth more.Panzer_Zwei

that's what the "report abuse to a moderator" button is for. there's no way we can catch everything.

i just think it's funny that when lemmings were doing it when dmc4 was announced for 360 this wasn't an issue but now that cows have started doing it "it's out of hand."InfamousC

it's been getting modded for months. :|

Damage Control and disagreeing opinions are two different things, yet they are like one in SW...:|Shadow_op

content free posts accusing somebody of damage control will get you moderated for trolling. i'm still seeing far too much of this.

CaseyWegner

Thank you. I can't stand the term "damage control" because 90% of the time it's used wrong. Actually, you could get rid of the term altogether...twags82

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content free posts accusing somebody of damage control will get you moderated for trolling. i'm still seeing far too much of this.

xscrapzx

Casey, could we have posts that just said:

"This..... is...... DAMAGE CONTROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!"

Of course with a picture of Leonidas?

:D :D :D 

[QUOTE="Unforgiven2870"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

content free posts accusing somebody of damage control will get you moderated for trolling. i'm still seeing far too much of this.

CJL13

Casey,Maybe you need to rethink some of these nonsense rules you come up with.Sooner or later your going to make rules to where no one can post anything at all.U need to layoff a bit man.Takeing what people can and cannot post is like saying we live in a comminuist community.

Actually T_HBO has been banned for years.

I just noticed something. This thread is damage control (i.e. making a new rule) about the over use of the word "damage contol" lmfao oh the irony.

this owns. SWHBO. 

I just noticed something. This thread is damage control (i.e. making a new rule) about the over use of the word "damage contol" lmfao oh the irony.

this owns. SWHBO.

shadow_lord_11

Casey, if redundancy is an issue here, can we just sticky a thread titled "Wii's grafx sux lol"? Make sure you include a screenshot of Far Cry: Vengeance.Tristam22

[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

and here is the description of trolling.

Trolling (Inciting flames) - Messages intended solely to annoy and/or offend other users by going against the clear nature of a board, topic or chat room are not allowed. This includes, but is not limited to: provoking other users to respond with flames; provoking fans of a particular system or game, especially on boards or topics dedicated to that system or game; making misleading topic titles; asking obviously useless questions; and posting false information as fact.

Dreams-Visions

I've also found that much can be said in the phrase "damage control". The problem I have with such sweeping legislation is that it supposes that there is no meaningful motive or message behind people saying it. Some posts simply are DAMAGE CONTROL. By very definition. Asking someone to justify the statement or face moderation is often unnecessary. It is what it is. Perhaps some people say "damage control" just to be doing something, but others say it because they see nothing but spin and irrational thought in a post and posted how they felt about the point. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

In closing, I find this truth: while there are always rules in life, this is one of the only places that I've found to be anal and draconian about the enforcement of them to the extreme. I wonder how communities would react if cops gave everyone a ticket for driving 36 in the 35...or J-Walking...or speeding through a light that JUST TURNED YELLOW. Even in law, there is flexibility that parallels life itself. life is not an anal, perfection-based experience. Taking the forums best an most interesting posters out of the game for stretches of time because of things like this simply degrades the quality of the forum.

I appreciate Casey, Omni and JakeT in particular, but Gamespot asks people to strip the personality out of the posts and live in fear of the almighty "your moderation has been accepted!" for the smallest comments.

More balance is in order, gentlemen. It'll make SW an enjoyable place again.

One of the best post I have ever read on this Site well done good sir take a bow...

Honestly I agree with you. I mean honestly this whole thing of not being able to say just damage control is just weak to me.

It's like pretty soon you will see people getting modding and suspended for saying "this post is just wrong dude" and you'll be asked to say why you thought it was wrong.

I mean yeah sometimes a post like "Xbox360 Red Lights enjoy" that is posted minutes after let's say like after DMC4 went non exclusive as an example....and the TC just laughs at the red lights and owners sayingn nice system. Well that's obvious damage control IMO and many peoples. Just saying Damage Control to that, what is the big deal?

If they are using it just to annoy people I understand but if not I don't see what the problem is. I guess it's cause this site has a lot of underage people in it is why so many of these kinds of rules exist cause I wouldn't expect this from a forum with mostly adults 

[QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

I just noticed something. This thread is damage control (i.e. making a new rule) about the over use of the word "damage contol" lmfao oh the irony.

 

this owns. SWHBO.

Jandurin

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="shadow_lord_11"]

I just noticed something. This thread is damage control (i.e. making a new rule) about the over use of the word "damage contol" lmfao oh the irony.

 

this owns. SWHBO.

shadow_lord_11

LOL