According to Metacritic, Consoles have 325% more "great" exclusives than PC this Gen.

What? Can you post your source that says only AAAA-AAA is considered a high scoring library list?

That's asinine, and means we would only look at 5% of released games for gen tallies.

Please cite your source.

@blackhairedhero: Is English your first language? Read my first post to you. I asked if we should utilize MC's score, but subjugate their ranking system for ours. As an example, take their score of 80, and rank it as AA on GS? Take into account that A/AA/AAA/AAAA rankings have always been determined by GS scores and no other source.

@zaryia: Again your argument is worthless. Please explain how RTS and MMO audience makes fighters better on PC? You are saying the PC has better online. That is a bold face lie. Your argument should be " The PC has better online for those genres"

While consoles have better online for other genres. For RTS, Moba, MMO the online is better in those genres. It's still worse in fighting, Racing and FPS is debateable. But making a blanket statement that the PC has better online is simply a false claim.

@lundy86_4: I don't have an issue with it but I don't make the rules. Usually people mention both GS and MC reviews though.

Are your fingers welded to a manhole? cause all that comes out of them is complete unsubstantiated shit.

And No, you have no idea what you are talking about. 1000+ hours into Pubg. Hackers? 3. In total.

CSGO? 0

Quake Chumpions? 1.

Quake Live after 3200 hours. 1.

Get a clue cupcake.

@dxmcat: oh please eat facts and STFU!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-switch/wp/2015/05/15/world-of-warcraft-halted-an-army-of-cheaters-with-a-massive-player-ban/?utm_term=.312af800a743

https://www.google.com/amp/s/variety.com/2018/gaming/news/valve-bans-60k-cheaters-1202879426/amp/

I can post these all day with game after game if you need more cupcake.

@blackhairedhero: We can talk MC reviews until we're short in the tooth, and that's fine. MC has never determined what is regarded as A/AA/AAA/AAAA. Therefore, equivocating their review system, with our ranking system, is simply out-and-out stupid.

@lundy86_4: Well he mentioned MC so take that up with Zayria. That was his argument. And he forgot the fact the PS4 actually has more AAA on MC.

Cool. thats great. Im sure you encountered all 60,000 of those cheaters right?

Dumb shit google keyboard warriors.

Get a fucking clue.

@blackhairedhero: The whole topic is skewed in @m3Boarder32's favour. I would advise not jumping on his bandwagon. The topic is based on MC scores, so it wouldn't be @zaryia bringing up MC, as it's the initial topic.

Again, A/AA/AAA/AAAA do not exist with regards to MC scores.

Bullshit.

• More genres.
• More games.
• More players
• More competitive games, genres, and players.
• More played games.
• Better performance for online play
• Mods

It's objectively better for online, by a huge margin, over PSN and it's handful of played games and nearly non existent competitive library and total lack of esports. It's a shitfest for casual FPS games that are played on god damn thumbsticks, and maybe 1 or 2 fighters.

1. Those numbers are tiny compared to the PC population, which numbers in the hundreds of millions. You said a "a vast amount of pc gaming is cheaters".

2. Those players were banned, looks like PC self corrects.

3. How does this stop PC from having dozens of more highly played games, more high scoring online games, and the king of competitive gaming?

@lundy86_4: zaryia loses either way (as usual)

@recloud: You add nothing to the topic at hand. Either explain, or jog the **** on, darling.

almost synonymous with console

@lundy86_4: are your triggered, sweetheart? Lol.

Zaryia still loses.

What in the world are you talking about? PC is up by 114 games according to GS SW precedent, and even more going by MC specific rules on high scoring games.

Both can be sourced. No one ITT who is saying high scoring games are only 90-100 have given any form of citation. I'll tell you why, it isn't a thing. They made it up a few months ago after PC gamers started posting official MC lists. It's a fucking hoax, smoke and mirrors, fake news.

Giovela, Scatteh, and blackhairedhero literally made it up a few months ago. Citation won't be possible.

@recloud: Why would I be triggered? You didn't address my argument, nor did you undermine Zaryia's. Try harder, lovely.

Do address the topic you are injecting yourself into, or kindly move on, snugglebottom.

@zaryia: I'm saying that you're losing, ou always lose. You're a loser and your life is pathetic as is the life of a loser.

Oh wow, this post.

This confirms they lost the debate.

@zaryia: 1. Red Herring and irrelevant to you claim. I'f you are not interested in those genres then what online advantage does PC offer you? The answer? NONE! Nobody gives a shit about the millions of people that play CS go in China. How does that make CoD better on PC. Answer? It doesn't. You made a false irrelevant claim and I called you out on it.

2. Yes they were banned and they will be back. It's usually as easy as creating another account.

3. Another Red Herring. Again I never denied RTS and Moba for an example are better on PC but that in no way means the PC's online is better. Better for those genres? Sure. But it does not make your base claim true.

He ran away from the thread where I asked him to find proof of any other games that recently had a huge number of hackers, or a PUBG hacker news break after January, after they implemented anti-cheat software.

Rainbow Six Siege used to have the problem, but they implemented an anti cheat software like 2 years ago. It's been pretty clean since.

@DragonfireXZ95: No I didn't I'm still here. Would you like me to post more links of cheating?

And you realize the anti cheat software may not work forever. PubG is clean for 6 months and you claim the PC platform is clean?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.windowscentral.com/how-deal-with-out-of-control-pubg-cheater-everywhere%3famp

And here's an article about PUBG cheaters from April. That is after the million plus players they banned in January.

1. That's not a red herring. I'm listing the reasons why PC has better online. I'll list them again.

• More genres.
• More games.
• More players
• More competitive games, genres, and players.
• More played games.
• Better performance for online play
• Mods

And they are a drop in the water, and less likely to return. You said a vast amount of pc gaming is cheaters. You were wrong.

Moba, RTS, MMO, Battle Royale, and FPS. The latter two are the most popular console online genres. They are better on PC.

It doesn't matter though, PC has more everything. It's simply better online.

@zaryia:

1. Worthless if I dont care about those genres

2. All in the same genres

3. Only in those select genres

4. Completely irrelevant

5. No not really. And that depends on hardware and connectivity.

6. What does have to do with online gaming?

The PC has more cheaters and more low scoring games that is true. Unfortunately it has less AAA exclusives and AAA games overall. Not to mention less players in fighting, racing and many fps titles.

I can't get to that site. I disabled my ad-blocker, but it won't let me in. I can't tell what it says, but is it one guy's experience with hackers or legitimate proof there is rampant hacking? And if so, post the proof.

@DragonfireXZ95: Here is an a small part of the article.

"PUBG Corp. partnered with BattleEye for enhanced protection for players and both parties are doing something at least, but the task at hand is monstrous — I'm talking about one of the most popular PC games worldwide. Even Tencent, the Chinese publisher for PUBG in the region managed to aid local authorities in arresting 120 people involved in making cheats for games.

There's also the incentive to continue purchasing copies, driving up the sales further. There are now tradable items in PUBG that can be sold, which invites those who see the profit of selling stuff earned through cheating, outpacing the cost of picking up more copies of PUBG. You can see evidence of this with many of the usernames you come across, built from a random generation of letters. And don't get me started on the "bots" that plague some sessions, simply farming BP to buy more crates."

It basically talk about the rampant cheaters based mostly in Asia. Not to mention they have arrested players that are creating cheats to beat the current anti cheat software.

@zaryia: why don't you post your setup in the thread I marked you? Lol you don't have a setup.

That's subjective. I'm telling you for a fact PC has more online games and genres than PS4.

Its superior

Which is more genres and games than PS4.

Subjective. PC has an exponentially larger competitive selection irrelevant. This matters to 100s of millions of people. Facts are facts.

Digital Foundry says really. You're wrong.

Mods are an online feature on PC.

Your counters were subjective. Everything I wrote was a fact. PC has far more online games. More online genres. More competitive games and genres. Best e-sports. Most players. Mods. And plays online games better.

PSN is absolute shit in comparison.

The fact you are even debating something this god damn uncontested shows you have serious issues.

How many % of PUBG players are hackers on PC?

Also PUBG is shit on console. Thumbstick and crap performance. What a mess.

@zaryia:

1. Still completely irrelevant to your claim. That does not make the PC's online better then consoles.

2. Burden of proof that the PC has more online games. It may be in more genres but it only excels in a few not all.

3. Irrelevant to your base claim

4. Still irrelevant to your base claim. The 100s of millions of Asian players that play Esports on PC due to the fact consoles were banned up till 4 years ago does not make your false claim true.

5. No they dont. They say it's based off hardware and connectivity. All PCs dont magically have better performance.

All of your points were irrelevant to your base claim. The fact you are even debating this shows why your debate skills are absolutely shit.

@zaryia: They banned a million in January and they are nowhere near gone.

Saying a fact I wrote is irrelevant and thinking the fact went away isn't beating me in a debate. That's just you being a clown.

• More genres.
• FAR more active online games spanning more generations. (How is this not an objective indicator of superiority?)
• More players and More played games, with more communities.
• FAR more competitive games, genres, and players.
• Complete and utter e-sports dominance.
• Better performance for online play. (DIGITAL FOUNDRY)
• Mods

Refute these facts, or accept the fact that most already know, that PS4 is way way worse online.

1. How many hackers are left and how many total PUBG accounts are there.

2. PUBG on consoles is shit. Like most video games.

@zaryia: No the fact is its irrelevant to your base claim. Let me make it simple for you.

Your claim was " PC has the best online."

If the only games im interested in Online for an example are the New CoD, SF5 and Tekken 7 explain to me how the PC is better online? It's not not in any way. In fact it's worse for everyone of those games.

So your blanket claim of "The PC has the best online is false"

You lose again... move along.

PC has the best online. Here are the facts that prove my claim,

• More genres.
• COUNTLESS more active online games (How is this not an objective indicator of superiority?)
• More players with more communities.
• FAR more competitive games, genres, and players.
• Complete and utter e-sports dominance.
• Better performance for online play. (DIGITAL FOUNDRY)
• Mods

You can't counter these facts. I win.

This is subjective.

Objective versus subjective. Objectivity will always win, in terms of any scientific study.

@lundy86_4: Yes it will.

And his argument is subjective. The PC's advantage in certain genres does not automatically make the PC experience an overall superior online experience.

@blackhairedhero: That's fair. Your post injected severe subjectivity. If I missed @zaryia's post, then my bad.

@zaryia: Those aren't irrelevant facts. Mass Esport dominance in Asia does not in any way make the overall PC experience better.

Consoles have the most fighting games.

Consoles have the most active players in fighting games.

That is not subjective that's a fact. So how does Esports dominance from Asia in RTS and Moba change that?

Pretty sure I still play more games on PC than PS4

PC has the most overall active online games across more genres. By a large margin over PS4.

PC has the most active players across more genres. By a large margin over PS4.

PC has better online.

He's lying. Nothing I posted was subjective.

• More genres.
• COUNTLESS more active online games.
• More players.
• More competitive games, genres, and players.
• Complete E-sports dominance.
• Better performance for online play. (DIGITAL FOUNDRY)
• Mods

Funny. I found the same news, posted in January of 2018.

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/01/16/pubg-cheaters-arrested-with-tencent-help/

"The Chinese police are teaming up with the company to root out underground rings that both make, and sell, cheating software. With the help of Tencent, over 30 cases have been discovered resulting in over 120 arrests."

Try again.

Ya'll forgetting PC's AAA/AAAA exclusives for the last 5 years...

4 over rated indies with 8 critics and 1 genuine AAAE.........

Nothing but a port and indie game box...

Zaryia still spinning and butthurting lmao, epic

@BassMan: Your opinions are bad.

Weak list.

Compared to the 200+ AA/A games that many people find more enjoyable than the above on PC, the fact that 99% of all games are better on PC. The backwards compatibility, the mods.

Peasants will be peasants.

@zaryia: Again not one of your claims means the PC has a better "overall online experience ".

@DragonfireXZ95: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.abacusnews.com/digital-life/18-arrested-building-cheating-apps-playerunknowns-battlegrounds/article/2144139%3famp=1

18 more arrested in March. Wow that was easy. You claimed cheaters in Pubg no longer existed. You are wrong.. now move along.

Incorrect. All of my claims show PC has the overall better online experience.

Whether it be due to 60 fps in more games, having far more games, more genres, more competitive games, mods, or the best e-sports. PC literally is the best online at the moment.

PUBG is objectively better on PC.