Actions speak louder than words Capcom!

Off-topic: At the risk of sounding like a weirdo, this is my 3rd thread to reach 200+ posts, first one was about the state of fighting games in 2008 I believe then late last year it was the UC3 vs Gears 3 one, and now this 8) Damn I need a better hobby :lol:

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Back to thread, I am convinced Capcom has completely lost it as a developer. They are going to get their just deserts (that's how it goes I think) when this game releases and bombs critically and commercially. The signs are all pointing to that direction; The SIGNS I tell YA!

Off-topic: At the risk of sounding like a weirdo, this is my 3rd thread to reach 200+ posts, first one was about the state of fighting games in 2008 I believe then late last year it was the UC3 vs Gears 3 one, and now this 8) Damn I need a better hobby :lol:

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Back to thread, I am convinced Capcom has completely lost it as a developer. They are going to get their just deserts (that's how it goes I think) when this game releases and bombs critically and commercially. The signs are all pointing to that direction; The SIGNS I tell YA!

Swift_Boss_A

Yes, but the characters will not be released so frequently, now will they? And who said there will be 20 characters?LastRambo341

Who cares how frequently they're released, I'm talking about how much this game will eventually cost for anyone who wants all the characters. I'm just fixed on 20 because that would bring them up to the count of characters for MvC2.

But even if they add 10-15 more, That's another $50-75 this game will cost on top of the launch price. And I've played this one, most of the characters aren't different enough to cost $5 each.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]Yes, but the characters will not be released so frequently, now will they? And who said there will be 20 characters?LeifLongbottom

Who cares how frequently they're released, I'm talking about how much this game will eventually cost for anyone who wants all the characters. I'm just fixed on 20 because that would bring them up to the count of characters for MvC2.

But even if they add 10-15 more, That's another $50-75 this game will cost on top of the launch price. And I've played this one, most of the characters aren't different enough to cost $5 each.

And the drama begins, wowLastRambo341

Dude reading your posts in this thread I can see that the only thing that matters to you in a videogame is that it is a videogame. I don't know what your game is but I hope devs milk more cash out of you :P I mean it seems that's all you care about, that devs get there way with you. You don't care if DLC is abused, you don't care if iconic characters are completely changed, or if the whole gameplay is suggested to be different. Seriously not cool man, stand up for yourself as a gamer.

The only way to make the perfect DMC game is to get Platinum Games to make it.aaronmullan

I know most of the talent left Capcom for Platinum but they're still capable of delivering a great hack n slash game to rival Bayonetta without Platinum's help. The whole purpose of this DmC is not to cater to the fans but bring in a whole new crowd that eclipses the original fan base. They are destroying a loved franchise and hoping they can turn it into something that will appeal to younger people who don't normally game. Who knows it could work but it's a gamble that will not pay off in the long run. And saying to the fanbase that DmC will the best is seriously selling core gamers short, the overwhelming evidence suggesting the opposite and Capcom thinks that like sheeps we will eat their words up. Screw you Capcom.

@SwiftBoss Well, I don't whine and complain because it makes me look bad. As long as the devs make the game fun and enjoyable to play, they're getting my money. If they're charging me a reasonable amount ($5-$10 for a DLC character which is not bad), they'll get my money.LastRambo341

Sounds more like an excuse to not stand up for yourself. Devs have to earn my money and if they act like a bunch of idiots like Capcom then no money for them.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]@SwiftBoss Well, I don't whine and complain because it makes me look bad. As long as the devs make the game fun and enjoyable to play, they're getting my money. If they're charging me a reasonable amount ($5-$10 for a DLC character which is not bad), they'll get my money.Swift_Boss_A

Sounds more like an excuse to not stand up for yourself. Devs have to earn my money and if they act like a bunch of idiots like Capcom then no money for them.

LOL Tell me which characters in the current roster play like Shuma-Gorath and Jill? Guess what? NONE You're talking as if DLC characters are bad. They couldn't add like 60 characters due to budget and time constraints. So now, for people who want characters like Venom, Bison etc. now have hopes.LastRambo341

I haven't tried the dlc yet but many of the characters in the launch release felt very similar to one another.

I'm amazed that the publishers have really been able to brainwash people into paying more for less. You don't see how it's a little weird that IF they get this game to have as much content as the last installment, it will cost the consumer an additional $100?

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]LOL Tell me which characters in the current roster play like Shuma-Gorath and Jill? Guess what? NONE You're talking as if DLC characters are bad. They couldn't add like 60 characters due to budget and time constraints. So now, for people who want characters like Venom, Bison etc. now have hopes.LeifLongbottom

I haven't tried the dlc yet but many of the characters in the launch release felt very similar to one another.

I'm amazed that the publishers have really been able to brainwash people into paying more for less. You don't see how it's a little weird that IF they get this game to have as much content as the last installment, it will cost the consumer an additional $100?

[QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]LOL Tell me which characters in the current roster play like Shuma-Gorath and Jill? Guess what? NONE You're talking as if DLC characters are bad. They couldn't add like 60 characters due to budget and time constraints. So now, for people who want characters like Venom, Bison etc. now have hopes.LastRambo341

I haven't tried the dlc yet but many of the characters in the launch release felt very similar to one another.

I'm amazed that the publishers have really been able to brainwash people into paying more for less. You don't see how it's a little weird that IF they get this game to have as much content as the last installment, it will cost the consumer an additional $100?

lol r.i.p. old capcom and the real dmc games.

[QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]LOL Tell me which characters in the current roster play like Shuma-Gorath and Jill? Guess what? NONE You're talking as if DLC characters are bad. They couldn't add like 60 characters due to budget and time constraints. So now, for people who want characters like Venom, Bison etc. now have hopes.LastRambo341

I haven't tried the dlc yet but many of the characters in the launch release felt very similar to one another.

I'm amazed that the publishers have really been able to brainwash people into paying more for less. You don't see how it's a little weird that IF they get this game to have as much content as the last installment, it will cost the consumer an additional $100?

In that case I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Actually, I just have a couple of lanes for sale right now. The other lanes I'll sell you later.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

I haven't tried the dlc yet but many of the characters in the launch release felt very similar to one another.

I'm amazed that the publishers have really been able to brainwash people into paying more for less. You don't see how it's a little weird that IF they get this game to have as much content as the last installment, it will cost the consumer an additional $100?

LeifLongbottom

In that case I have a bridge I'd like to sell you.

Actually, I just have a couple of lanes for sale right now. The other lanes I'll sell you later.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]Yes, but the characters will not be released so frequently, now will they? And who said there will be 20 characters?LeifLongbottom

Who cares how frequently they're released, I'm talking about how much this game will eventually cost for anyone who wants all the characters. I'm just fixed on 20 because that would bring them up to the count of characters for MvC2.

But even if they add 10-15 more, That's another $50-75 this game will cost on top of the launch price. And I've played this one, most of the characters aren't different enough to cost $5 each.

There is no way they release 10 characters via DLC, i'm guessing 4 and that's counting Jill and SG.

Anyway, Capcom is still doing great games, however i can see how they are abusing DLC, SG and Jill should have been in the game from the beginning and that just show how greedy and ridiculous this DLC stuff can become, and i'm not even mentioning the new costumes, with that being said, SSF4 is a good game, DMC4 was also very good (i liked it), among others, so is not a total lost.

About DmC, well, they want to appeal to the western market, even if it means to lose the majority of the fanbase, well a shame because i'm a huge DMC however i'm not buying that crap.

[QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]Yes, but the characters will not be released so frequently, now will they? And who said there will be 20 characters?madsnakehhh

Who cares how frequently they're released, I'm talking about how much this game will eventually cost for anyone who wants all the characters. I'm just fixed on 20 because that would bring them up to the count of characters for MvC2.

But even if they add 10-15 more, That's another $50-75 this game will cost on top of the launch price. And I've played this one, most of the characters aren't different enough to cost $5 each.

There is no way they release 10 characters via DLC, i'm guessing 4 and that's counting Jill and SG.

Anyway, Capcom is still doing great games, however i can see how they are abusing DLC, SG and Jill should have been in the game from the beginning and that just show how greedy and ridiculous this DLC stuff can become, and i'm not even mentioning the new costumes, with that being said, SSF4 is a good game, DMC4 was also very good (i liked it), among others, so is not a total lost.

About DmC, well, they want to appeal to the western market, even if it means to lose the majority of the fanbase, well a shame because i'm a huge DMC however i'm not buying that crap.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="LeifLongbottom"]

Who cares how frequently they're released, I'm talking about how much this game will eventually cost for anyone who wants all the characters. I'm just fixed on 20 because that would bring them up to the count of characters for MvC2.

But even if they add 10-15 more, That's another $50-75 this game will cost on top of the launch price. And I've played this one, most of the characters aren't different enough to cost $5 each.

LastRambo341

There is no way they release 10 characters via DLC, i'm guessing 4 and that's counting Jill and SG.

Anyway, Capcom is still doing great games, however i can see how they are abusing DLC, SG and Jill should have been in the game from the beginning and that just show how greedy and ridiculous this DLC stuff can become, and i'm not even mentioning the new costumes, with that being said, SSF4 is a good game, DMC4 was also very good (i liked it), among others, so is not a total lost.

About DmC, well, they want to appeal to the western market, even if it means to lose the majority of the fanbase, well a shame because i'm a huge DMC however i'm not buying that crap.

They didn't need the extra work, from the beggining Capcom (or Marvel, whatever) wanted to implemented them via DLC, even worst, DLC just one month after the release and with the caracters already in the disc, that was just a greedy move by Capcom and we all know that, i'm not complaining, i'm just saying if Capcom really wanted this characters in the disc, they could have implemented them from the beggining with not a single problem.

About DmC, i don't care, i'm not buying that crap.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

There is no way they release 10 characters via DLC, i'm guessing 4 and that's counting Jill and SG.

Anyway, Capcom is still doing great games, however i can see how they are abusing DLC, SG and Jill should have been in the game from the beginning and that just show how greedy and ridiculous this DLC stuff can become, and i'm not even mentioning the new costumes, with that being said, SSF4 is a good game, DMC4 was also very good (i liked it), among others, so is not a total lost.

About DmC, well, they want to appeal to the western market, even if it means to lose the majority of the fanbase, well a shame because i'm a huge DMC however i'm not buying that crap.

madsnakehhh

They didn't need the extra work, from the beggining Capcom (or Marvel, whatever) wanted to implemented them via DLC, even worst, DLC just one month after the release and with the caracters already in the disc, that was just a greedy move by Capcom and we all know that, i'm not complaining, i'm just saying if Capcom really wanted this characters in the disc, they could have implemented them from the beggining with not a single problem.

About DmC, i don't care, i'm not buying that crap.

1)Uhhh, there is a reason why they delayed their availability, its because they needed extra work as evident from the people who hacked the discs. They are on the disc for the Limited Edition owners, not for us. And its just $5-$10, please. Don't complain about $5-$10 -_- 2) One should refrain from being close-mindedLastRambo341

It is optional, yeah, and it seems cheap, but it should be free and that's the major complain about DLC, price thing that should be free (Characters, Maps, Game modes, Avatars, Costumes, etc.)

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]1)Uhhh, there is a reason why they delayed their availability, its because they needed extra work as evident from the people who hacked the discs. They are on the disc for the Limited Edition owners, not for us. And its just $5-$10, please. Don't complain about $5-$10 -_- 2) One should refrain from being close-mindedmadsnakehhh

It is optional, yeah, and it seems cheap, but it should be free and that's the major complain about DLC, price thing that should be free (Characters, Maps, Game modes, Avatars, Costumes, etc.)

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]1)Uhhh, there is a reason why they delayed their availability, its because they needed extra work as evident from the people who hacked the discs. They are on the disc for the Limited Edition owners, not for us. And its just $5-$10, please. Don't complain about $5-$10 -_- 2) One should refrain from being close-mindedLastRambo341

It is optional, yeah, and it seems cheap, but it should be free and that's the major complain about DLC, price thing that should be free (Characters, Maps, Game modes, Avatars, Costumes, etc.)

2) One should refrain from being close-mindedLastRambo341

Don't kid yourself buddy and please heed your own message, you are ignoring the facts and being close minded yourself. And your posts are clearly efforts to rile up users, nothing more. But lucky for you it is working, lol.

All I'll say is this... After DMC2 no one would have expected the EXACT SAME TEAM to produce DMC3, the benchmark of the series. Stranger things have happened, and that in the article they recognize DMC3 as what they are shooting for, is very encouraging. It shows they know that DMC4 was a misfire, and that DMC3 is still the high water mark. That and after the incredibly under appreciated Enslaved, I'm very positive about Ninja Theory.RandoIph

DMC4 and Enslaved have switched places in your post. You see it is DMC4 that is under appreciated and Enslaved that was a misfire, in fact I will go further and say it is buggy, slow and shallow.

OH and just to let you now I have no doubt in my mind that DMC will return to form but this new DmC will not be that title, if you notice closely you will see that Capcom is making the same mistakes they made with DMC2 but 10x worse; Unreal engine, complete makeover of the main character, contracted b-grade devs in the genre and trying to be all serious which is a total cliche for games trying to re-invent themselves.

The only people who will see this DmC in a positive light are the ones who are not familier with DMC or Ninja Theory fans. Basically tthis game is a new IP wrapped in DMC's clothing, no relation to DMC except the name which is a disgusting way for Capcom to sell the game to the fans.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"][QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

It is optional, yeah, and it seems cheap, but it should be free and that's the major complain about DLC, price thing that should be free (Characters, Maps, Game modes, Avatars, Costumes, etc.)

Inconsistancy

Also, I don't think it's right that they charge for what should have already been in the game. It's predecessor had all that extra 'back breaking' work w/o added cost, they clearly are just limiting content and being greedy.

If you're calling them greedy, then what do you call the complaining "fans" who don't wanna spend at least $5 for something that is OPTIONAL? Its just $5!!

They couldn't have been in the game due to budget and time constraints. Its simple as that.

[QUOTE="madsnakehhh"]

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]1)Uhhh, there is a reason why they delayed their availability, its because they needed extra work as evident from the people who hacked the discs. They are on the disc for the Limited Edition owners, not for us. And its just $5-$10, please. Don't complain about $5-$10 -_- 2) One should refrain from being close-mindedLastRambo341

It is optional, yeah, and it seems cheap, but it should be free and that's the major complain about DLC, price thing that should be free (Characters, Maps, Game modes, Avatars, Costumes, etc.)

Is not free, i'm paying 60$ for it :|

@SwiftBoss

Wow, and isn't it being close-minded when you're bashing games that are not done yet or haven't been fully shown for no reason?

If you're calling them greedy, then what do you call the complaining "fans" who don't wanna spend at least $5 for something that is OPTIONAL? Its just $5!!

They couldn't have been in the game due to budget and time constraints. Its simple as that.

LastRambo341

As for time constraints, no such thing, delay it to finish the game. And for money, I don't know enough about their situation to suggest what they would have needed to do to not go way over in costs.

Overreaction much? Seriously, give the damn game a chance instead of being a crybaby. Seriously, changes happen. I enjoyed the other DMC games and I am also excited and looking forward to seeing the new changes.Blackjack9288

You have an awesome avatar, but you are clueless fan #211

If you truly are a DMC fan and think nothing but greatness will come out of this butchering of the franchise then I advise you to do some research on the game, starting by going back into this thread and reading my posts regarding why this game will not end well.

@SwiftBoss

Wow, and isn't it being close-minded when you're bashing games that are not done yet or haven't been fully shown for no reason?

LastRambo341

Ever heard of first impressions ? One cannot(only) make a judgement by actually supporting it, waiting till it's finished and or purchasing it. By that time it will be too late. Of course I will play a demo when available to see if I am right or not, but as it stands Capcom and Ninja Theory have completely failed to market this game to the fans. You see DMC, DMC2, DMC3 and DMC4 from the first trailer got the fans on its side but this piece of trash with every footage, interview, news etc has done nothing but spit on the franchise and make fun of the fan base.

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"] I call them realistic, they don't wanna throw extra money away into an incomplete game. You always expect the successor to have as much or more than it's predecessor, they failed at it.

As for time constraints, no such thing, delay it to finish the game. And for money, I don't know enough about their situation to suggest what they would have needed to do to not go way over in costs.

Inconsistancy

[QUOTE="LastRambo341"]

@SwiftBoss

Wow, and isn't it being close-minded when you're bashing games that are not done yet or haven't been fully shown for no reason?

Swift_Boss_A

Ever heard of first impressions ? One cannot(only) make a judgement by actually supporting it, waiting till it's finished and or purchasing it. By that time it will be too late. Of course I will play a demo when available to see if I am right or not, but as it stands Capcom and Ninja Theory have completely failed to market this game to the fans. You see DMC, DMC2, DMC3 and DMC4 from the first trailer got the fans on its side but this piece of trash with every footage, interview, news etc has done nothing but spit on the franchise and make fun of the fan base.

what's so special about that statement? EVERY developer is ALWAYS aiming to make "the best possible game" they can make. it just doesn't mean anything.

what did you expect them to say? "we're gonna make this crappy DMC, but oh well... we hope someone likes it."?

First impressions on a game we've never seen outside of a announcement cinematic?MFDOOM1983

Sigh, I dunno if people are deliberately ignoring the big picture or don't give a damn which-ever direction DMC goes. Now the trailer was a mess, everything in it didn't scream DMC but new IP. The interviews didn't help clarify either, Ninja Theory have shown that they have no understanding of DMC, and on top of that they want to turn the stylish, over the top Japanese gameplay into something opposite; realistic and *pukes* dark 'n gritty. That is fine if you are doing a new IP but not if you want to appeal to the original fan base. But that's not all Capcom is also messing with the fans by saying it will be a reboot at times then going back and saying it will be an origin story, even they don't know which direction to take it.

DmC has fail written all over it. FACT.

[QUOTE="MFDOOM1983"]First impressions on a game we've never seen outside of a announcement cinematic?Swift_Boss_A

Sigh, I dunno if people are deliberately ignoring the big picture or don't give a damn which-ever direction DMC goes. Now the trailer was a mess, everything in it didn't scream DMC but new IP. The interviews didn't help clarify either, Ninja Theory have shown that they have no understanding of DMC, and on top of that they want to turn the stylish, over the top Japanese gameplay into something opposite; realistic and *pukes* dark 'n gritty. That is fine if you are doing a new IP but not if you want to appeal to the original fan base. But that's not all Capcom is also messing with the fans by saying it will be a reboot at times then going back and saying it will be an origin story, even they don't know which direction to take it.

DmC has fail written all over it. FACT.

[QUOTE="ermacness"]

Point # 1 is an opinion. You may get a whole bunch of people to agree, but it doesn't make it a fact.

Swift_Boss_A

No my friend it is a fact. You see there are plenty of characters I don't particularly like but they at least look impressive in terms of design , for example Master Chief, But this(below) just looks like a bad, ugly and amateurish character design.

Looks fine to me. Guess that disproves your whole "fact vs. opinion" argument.