Activision thinks about no longer supporting sony.

Activision to start subscription fees on Modern Warfare 2 and they want to no longer support sony's playstation 3. WOW....... good riddance....ReaperV7

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[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]Activision to start subscription fees on Modern Warfare 2 and they want to no longer support sony's playstation 3. WOW....... good riddance....SODRChief

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Yea sony may go out of business:roll:. Ugh faboys+new account=annoying.

There's alot of worried cows trying to reassure each other in this thread lol having said that i don't see it happenning.blue_hazy_basic

Agreed. It won't happen, but the sonyboi damage control is hilarious.

This will not happen but it is still horrible to read. Activision want to pay less royalties and is trying to force Sony into a pricecut which I do agree with. You are dealing with two egomaniacs and I think Activision has the slight upperhand here, should be interesting. I want you Lemmings to realise if this is successful the XBOX 360 will not be immune to the same mafia tactics down the road if the tables turn.

Activision wouldn't be saying this for no reason, and indeed, they have been beating this drum for several months now. Given the nature of the relationship between Sony and Activision, it's safe to say that Activision's rather terse comments on this issue belie a much, much deeper problem Sony has: quite simply, the PS3 is beginning to be unviable for the large third-party multiplatform publishers.

Activision is the largest game publisher/developer in the world. Make no mistake: if Activision leaves, Sony will be in big trouble. You may not care for Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk, but GH by itself crushes just about every Sony-exclusive franchise there is in terms of popularity, and the CoD franchise is the single most popular multiplayer console franchise on the planet. If GH and CoD become 360 console-exclusives, Sony might as well be dead. Their first-party and exclusive franchises simply don't sell well enough to take up the slack, 360 sales will jump significantly, and PS3 will languish in last place for a year or two before the plug is pulled or a new PlayStation is released.

This is what happens when your console is too difficult and costly to develop for and is also priced too high for the mass-market, while also competing with a lower-priced, better selling, easier-to-develop-for console with much higher attach rates (and better graphics.) For proof, just look at the PlayStation vs. Saturn war.

If I were Sony (or a PS3 fanboy,) I'd be taking Activision's threat very seriously.

Well considering they don't make anything that interest me that isn't also on PC, I really couldn't care less because it doesn't effect my gaming experience at all. But this is bad news for Sony and PS3 only gamers.

Activision... lol.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6531367.ece

If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony. - Bobby Kotick

Cookigaki thinks this could be bad for sony.

Cookigaki

I just realized your nameis a pun on Cookie + Tomonobu Itagaki :P

[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]Activision to start subscription fees on Modern Warfare 2 and they want to no longer support sony's playstation 3. WOW....... good riddance....SODRChief

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After seeing the other thread about Activision possibly charging for online features in COD MW2, I'm convinced this won't happen..... Activision obviously cares about money too much to stop putting their titles on the PS3.

whatisazerg

Wait, Activision, the company that milks every single one of their franchises till they go to **** is thinking about not supporting a 23 million person install base?

Oh rofl Activision.

This is not going to happen.

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[QUOTE="ReaperV7"]Activision to start subscription fees on Modern Warfare 2 and they want to no longer support sony's playstation 3. WOW....... good riddance....hoosier7

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After seeing the other thread about Activision possibly charging for online features in COD MW2, I'm convinced this won't happen..... Activision obviously cares about money too much to stop putting their titles on the PS3.

What a bizarre statement to make.

Cookigaki rules!

[QUOTE="mythrol"][QUOTE="whatisazerg"]

After seeing the other thread about Activision possibly charging for online features in COD MW2, I'm convinced this won't happen..... Activision obviously cares about money too much to stop putting their titles on the PS3.

hoosier7

Here's the guy's actual quote:

"I'm getting concerned about Sony; the PlayStation 3 is losing a bit of momentum and they don't make it easy for me to support the platform. It's expensive to develop for the console, and the Wii and the Xbox are just selling better."

"They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates [the number of games each console owner buys] are likely to slow. If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony." Ask when and he says: "When we look at 2010 and 2011, we might want to consider if we support the console - and the PSP [portable] too."

From what I get he's saying it costs more to develop on PS3 (which gives credence to my comment about easier to transition from PC to 360) and it looks like he's genuinely concerned about attachment ratios. We all know the 360 is the king of game titles to console ratio, but it seems he's most worried about new PS3 owners. Afraid that as they buy the new console they'll have less money to spend on games (specifically his games).

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[QUOTE="CwlHeddwyn"] yeah this is all hot hair. the ps3 install base is far too big to ignore. yes ps3 is less profitable than the xbox 360 to make games for but they'd lose a lot by not supporting the ps3.Floppy_Jim

Wait a minute, so what if the PS3 has a large install base if no one is buying games for the system. If you are spending more than you are making it's a fairly easy decision to make. It would also free up developers and money to focus on other consoles that actually make them money.

I have said this before, if Sony can't sell their first party exclusives on their console then how the hell are third party developers going to? I started a thread asking this last week (about the low sales of Killzone 2) and was accussed of being a fanboy. Well, here is a pretty big company flat out telling EVERYONE that they aren't making money on the PS3. Also interesting to note that the PS3 has less RAM available..."but teh cellzzz and BLue-Rayz"

Well, this guy, Bobby Kotick is probably a Halo worshipping, Bill Gates wannabe. That is the only real explanation for such comments.

Activision wouldn't be saying this for no reason, and indeed, they have been beating this drum for several months now. Given the nature of the relationship between Sony and Activision, it's safe to say that Activision's rather terse comments on this issue belie a much, much deeper problem Sony has: quite simply, the PS3 is beginning to be unviable for the large third-party multiplatform publishers.

Activision is the largest game publisher/developer in the world. Make no mistake: if Activision leaves, Sony will be in big trouble. You may not care for Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk, but GH by itself crushes just about every Sony-exclusive franchise there is in terms of popularity, and the CoD franchise is the single most popular multiplayer console franchise on the planet. If GH and CoD become 360 console-exclusives, Sony might as well be dead. Their first-party and exclusive franchises simply don't sell well enough to take up the slack, 360 sales will jump significantly, and PS3 will languish in last place for a year or two before the plug is pulled or a new PlayStation is released.

This is what happens when your console is too difficult and costly to develop for and is also priced too high for the mass-market, while also competing with a lower-priced, better selling, easier-to-develop-for console with much higher attach rates (and better graphics.) For proof, just look at the PlayStation vs. Saturn war.

If I were Sony (or a PS3 fanboy,) I'd be taking Activision's threat very seriously.

UnnDunn

From a factual standpoint, I'm with you 100% on this. This is something that could actually happen, and the threat shouldn't be taken lightly.

From a personal standpoint, however, I am really tired of Activision's whining, sniveling, and in this case, strong-arming. First they go after EA over Brutal Legend (It was mine! I want it back! Waaaaaah!), and then they talk about cutting off 22 million+ gamers from their products. It's starting to feel to me like they're getting a little too cocky and trying to throw their weight around.

Not to mention the fact that I'm simply tired of CoD, Guitar Hero, and Tony Hawk,and that DJ Hero is clocking in at $120.00. If they want to lower the price of consoles, they need to lower the cost of that as well. And compare the durability of the GH: World Tourperipherals to the durability of the Rock Band peripherals, and Rock Band will win every time.

Things aren't quite right at Activision, and I get the feeling that something's about to come back and bite them. Their arrogance could spell a downturn for them, just like it did with Sony.

I think its just a threat tbh.

Remember Activision are the largest 3rd party publisher in the world now,they're the new EA which means they'll take money from anywhere they can.

This is a quote from their CEO about the their publishing philosophy and the reason they dropped certain games after their merger with Blizzard:"They don't have the potential to be exploited every year on every platform with clear sequel potential and have the potential to become $100 million dollar franchises"

With a business philosophy like that I doubt they,as some have already said,want to alienate a 20+ million userbase.I think they maybe just want some concessions from Sony.

"They have to cut the price, because if they don't, the attach rates [the number of games each console owner buys] are likely to slow. If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony."

I think it just comes down to Activision making bad games for the PS3 which no one wants to buy. Other 3rd party devs dont seem to have this issue, lets take a look at 2008's software numbers:

EA: "the PS3 is EA's largest source of income right now, and has been since the beginning of 2008."LINK

Take-Two: "Take-Two list the PlayStation 3 as its biggest revenue generator on the publishing side, with 35% of the quarterly take."LINK

Ubisoft: "So far for the fiscal year of 2008, 21% of the publisher's sales have come from the PS3. Of the three home consoles, that is the largest percent"LINK

Looks like good games = sales.

EVOLV3

Unless they actually lose money by supporting Sony, it'd be a rather silly thing to stop doing.

Sony Europe has since commented: "We respect our third-parties' opinions and their right to express those opinions but we will not be commenting on this story." Meanwhile, Wedbush Morgan analyst Michael Pachter also chipped in, accusing Kotick of 'bluffing.' "Of course Bobby's bluffing, and good for him," he said in a phone interview. "I think Bobby's obviously interested in Sony selling as many PS3s as they possibly can, and he's not happy with their penetration so far. I think he favours a price cut, and would rather see one sooner than later."

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"] Lol. That sounded so cool :P [QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]but it's still a nasty threat.Floppy_Jim

Agreed, I can't imagine them isolating a 23+ million install base. If they didn't stop supporting Sony in 2007, I doubt they'll do it now.

That was still early in the PS3's lifespan. They probably thought Sony would pull around by now. They are starting to at least. They got the solftware line-up. All they need now is a beefy enough price cut to impact the market and intice the giant known as the PS2 community to buy PS3's. If Sony somehow managed to completely pull over it's PS2 community into the current generation of Sony hardware, then they'd be the force that they used to be. Activision wouldn't dare make a statement such as what they have.

Unless they actually lose money by supporting Sony, it'd be a rather silly thing to stop doing.

Filthybastrd

It is just an empty threat

They won't give up a 23 and 50 milllion userbase

While I'm not a fan of Activision or their games, this could seriously harm Sony. When EA (who were in a similar position as Activision back in 1999) decided not to support the Dreamcast, it was one of the deciding factors in the system's downfall. This is just more indication that Activision is getting too powerful.

From what I get he's saying it costs more to develop on PS3 (which gives credence to my comment about easier to transition from PC to 360) and it looks like he's genuinely concerned about attachment ratios. We all know the 360 is the king of game titles to console ratio, but it seems he's most worried about new PS3 owners. Afraid that as they buy the new console they'll have less money to spend on games (specifically his games).mythrol

[QUOTE="UnnDunn"]

Activision wouldn't be saying this for no reason, and indeed, they have been beating this drum for several months now. Given the nature of the relationship between Sony and Activision, it's safe to say that Activision's rather terse comments on this issue belie a much, much deeper problem Sony has: quite simply, the PS3 is beginning to be unviable for the large third-party multiplatform publishers.

Activision is the largest game publisher/developer in the world. Make no mistake: if Activision leaves, Sony will be in big trouble. You may not care for Guitar Hero or Tony Hawk, but GH by itself crushes just about every Sony-exclusive franchise there is in terms of popularity, and the CoD franchise is the single most popular multiplayer console franchise on the planet. If GH and CoD become 360 console-exclusives, Sony might as well be dead. Their first-party and exclusive franchises simply don't sell well enough to take up the slack, 360 sales will jump significantly, and PS3 will languish in last place for a year or two before the plug is pulled or a new PlayStation is released.

This is what happens when your console is too difficult and costly to develop for and is also priced too high for the mass-market, while also competing with a lower-priced, better selling, easier-to-develop-for console with much higher attach rates (and better graphics.) For proof, just look at the PlayStation vs. Saturn war.

If I were Sony (or a PS3 fanboy,) I'd be taking Activision's threat very seriously.

standarddamage

From a factual standpoint, I'm with you 100% on this. This is something that could actually happen, and the threat shouldn't be taken lightly.

From a personal standpoint, however, I am really tired of Activision's whining, sniveling, and in this case, strong-arming. First they go after EA over Brutal Legend (It was mine! I want it back! Waaaaaah!), and then they talk about cutting off 22 million+ gamers from their products. It's starting to feel to me like they're getting a little too cocky and trying to throw their weight around.

Not to mention the fact that I'm simply tired of CoD, Guitar Hero, and Tony Hawk,and that DJ Hero is clocking in at $120.00. If they want to lower the price of consoles, they need to lower the cost of that as well. And compare the durability of the GH: World Tourperipherals to the durability of the Rock Band peripherals, and Rock Band will win every time.

Things aren't quite right at Activision, and I get the feeling that something's about to come back and bite them. Their arrogance could spell a downturn for them, just like it did with Sony.

Ruh roh, getting some crazy deja vu from back in the Dreamcast days.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/media/article6531367.ece

If we are being realistic, we might have to stop supporting Sony. - Bobby Kotick

Cookigaki thinks this could be bad for sony.

Cookigaki

That was still early in the PS3's lifespan. They probably thought Sony would pull around by now. They are starting to at least. They got the solftware line-up. All they need now is a beefy enough price cut to impact the market and intice the giant known as the PS2 community to buy PS3's. If Sony somehow managed to completely pull over it's PS2 community into the current generation of Sony hardware, then they'd be the force that they used to be. Activision wouldn't dare make a statement such as what they have.KH-mixerX

I honestly think a large section of PS2 owners have already made their next gen. console decision. (my numbers aren't current but. . .) As of the time the next gen consoles were all released the PS2 had sold about 100 million units. The Original Xbox sold about 25 million. The Gamecube sold about 20 million. So for the life of last gen about 145 million consoles were sold.

So far this gen the Wii has sold about 50 million, the 360 has sold about 31 million, and the PS3 has sold about 23 million. A total of about 104 million units sold. If we go by last gen and say there was about a 25% increase in the video game market that means that roughly 181 million consoles will be sold through the lifetime of this gen. With that said we're well over halfway through the main timeline of these systems and over half of all purchases have been made. The Wii has already sold about 2.5x's more than the Gamecube. The Xbox 360 has sold about 1.2x's the amount of the original Xbox. All this growth has to come from somewhere and it seems to be from the pocket of Sony.

Like his $200 dollar Guitar Hero bundles?
LMFAO.

I'm getting tired of Activision.violent_spinal

Exactly like his $200 GH bundles. And I am too. If they're honestly going to subscription for MW2 then I'm by no means going to be supporting ANY Activision product.

MS should try and throw some money at Activison and get MW2 exclusive for about 6 months and sell it bundled with the systems.

PS3 games can't be selling that bad.

If Activision is thinking about not supporting you? That's terrible. I doubt they'll stick to their words but this should be a wakeup call to Sony.

If Activision, the company who is thinking about a seperate COD Online service, the company who releases 10 GH's a year on every electronicpossible and the company who is wasting money trying to stop the release of Brutal Legend AFTER they dropped it, is threatening to stop making games for your platform, either they make no profit at all or the head of Activision is one of the lemmings on this board. There are no other explanations.

Agreed, I can't imagine them isolating a 23+ million install base.Floppy_Jim

Outside of Nintendo, Activision has the two largest franchises this gen: Call of Duty and Guitar Hero. They also have a bunch of other games that sell well. If Sony loses that, you can call it a wrap. It'll be interesting to see how Sony responds. I think it's a bluff, but if it's not, the move hurts Sony way more than it hurts Activision.

Sony made a major blunder in forgetting that you have to have a strong first 5 years to have 5 more. I wonder if they think making the machine pointlessly difficult to prgram from in order to extend its life and assuming that people who get a second job just to buy the thing were the smartest moves to make.

The mere fact that Activision even mentions this is just makes it even worse for the PS3. What if someone is deciding if they want either the PS3 or 360 version of MW2, and hear ohh company that makes this game might stop supporting the system im gonna buy it on.......It makes the PS3 look like a risk as opposed to the Wii and 360.

You are definitely right, but it's no worse than what EA did when they were the top dog; refusing to support the Dreamcast, milking franchises to death, butting heads with Microsoft over Xbox Live support, etc.

UnnDunn

Thanks for the reminder, UnnDunn. I had forgotten about that.

Actually, I blocked that painful episode from my memory. My poor Dreamcast. :(

[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]Agreed, I can't imagine them isolating a 23+ million install base.Senor_Kami

Outside of Nintendo, Activision has the two largest franchises this gen: Call of Duty and Guitar Hero. They also have a bunch of other games that sell well. If Sony loses that, you can call it a wrap. It'll be interesting to see how Sony responds. I think it's a bluff, but if it's not, the move hurts Sony way more than it hurts Activision.

Sony made a major blunder in forgetting that you have to have a strong first 5 years to have 5 more. I wonder if they think making the machine pointlessly difficult to prgram from in order to extend its life and assuming that people who get a second job just to buy the thing were the smartest moves to make.

I doubt they have the balls to back up that talk but it's still a nasty threat.Floppy_Jim

That's hilarious. They won't stop supporting Sony.