Alan Wake looks better than Unchrted 2 or not ?

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#351 Chutebox
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No lol.

Alan Wake isn't even the best looking game on 360.

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#352 Brainkiller05
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when you say something like "next gen dynamic volumetric lighting" you automatically lose.
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#353 Esnedon
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No lol.

Alan Wake isn't even the best looking game on 360.

Chutebox

Then what is?

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#354 Ravensmash
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No lol.

Alan Wake isn't even the best looking game on 360.

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I'd say in places it surpasses the competition....flare gun ftw
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#355 Chutebox
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when you say something like "next gen dynamic volumetric lighting" you automatically lose. Brainkiller05
Saolin has always been known to throw in the exact same words to describe a 360 game. Vastly, next gen dynamic volumetric lighting, textures, size, foilage, leaves, non-linear, etc etc etc.
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#356 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

No lol.

Alan Wake isn't even the best looking game on 360.

Ravensmash
I'd say in places it surpasses the competition....flare gun ftw

That's one thing lol. that is literally the only thing I'd give AW. Nothing more.
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#357 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

No lol.

Alan Wake isn't even the best looking game on 360.

Esnedon

Then what is?

Probably Gears 2.

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#358 Solid_Link22
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no it does not. I am a PS3 fanboy so whatever I say is fact.

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#359 theseekar
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.MajorGamer531

How so, when in most aspects like scale, foliage and lighting, Uncharted 2is so far behind ?

Well, i would like some expaination and comment on my post, a well backed up opinion, that is

Foliage? Did you really list foliage? And no Alan Wake's lighting is not better, they are pretty much the same.

UC2 has way higher res and far more detailed environmental texturing.

Yes, why ? Because Uncharted 2 has nearly none, and what it has looks plastic, should never be mentioned ?

I mean you would not mention foliage as a Crysis perk ? Really ?

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#360 kozzy1234
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Uncharted 2 looks better, but not by a huge margin imo.

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#361 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

How so, when in most aspects like scale, foliage and lighting, Uncharted 2is so far behind ?

Well, i would like some expaination and comment on my post, a well backed up opinion, that is

theseekar

Foliage? Did you really list foliage? And no Alan Wake's lighting is not better, they are pretty much the same.

UC2 has way higher res and far more detailed environmental texturing.

Yes, why ? Because Uncharted 2 has nearly none, and what it has looks plastic, should never be mentioned ?

I mean you would not mention foliage as a Crysis perk ? Really ?

Interesting since you ignore alan wakes blurry, low res, poorly animated gameplay but boast it's lighting and foliage and claim ownage.
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#362 tbone802
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Both games look great. I personally like the atmosphere of AW better. I am not an obsessed pixel counter so I don't really care about "technically" which is better. I will say that AW has a bit of a tearing issue and the lip syncing is terrible at times. Aside from that it's top notch, I feel for those who are caught up in the fanboy war that won't get to experience both.
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#363 theseekar
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

Foliage? Did you really list foliage? And no Alan Wake's lighting is not better, they are pretty much the same.

UC2 has way higher res and far more detailed environmental texturing.

Zero_epyon

Yes, why ? Because Uncharted 2 has nearly none, and what it has looks plastic, should never be mentioned ?

I mean you would not mention foliage as a Crysis perk ? Really ?

Interesting since you ignore alan wakes blurry, low res, poorly animated gameplay but boast it's lighting and foliage and claim ownage.

Yes, i like the best lighting, scale and real forests more than just crisper resolution and textures, but with vastly smaller places like coriddors, no dynamic volumetric lgithing and almost zero foliage and no real forests at all

As i have already said, none of these games can be called graphics king, simply because both have ups and downs, and is up to each of us decide what is more important

For me Alan Wake perks are the most important by far and i like the art a lot better too

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#364 Respawn-d
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This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were meh
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#365 tempest91
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I felt like Alan Wake did a fantastic job of covering its technical shortcomings and ended up looking great. Uncharted 2 just looks fantastic. Little things like high res textures and vsync go a long way.

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#366 Respawn-d
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

Yes, why ? Because Uncharted 2 has nearly none, and what it has looks plastic, should never be mentioned ?

I mean you would not mention foliage as a Crysis perk ? Really ?

theseekar

Interesting since you ignore alan wakes blurry, low res, poorly animated gameplay but boast it's lighting and foliage and claim ownage.

Yes, i like the best lighting, scale and real forests more than just crisper resolution and textures, but with vastly smaller places like coriddors, no dynamic volumetric lgithing and almost zero foliage and no real forests at all

As i have already said, none of these games can be called graphics king, simply because both have ups and downs, and is up to each of us decide what is more important

For me Alan Wake perks are the most important by far and i like the art a lot better too

You clearly havent played uncharted 2
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#367 theseekar
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This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehRespawn-d

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

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#368 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehtheseekar

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

You have literally provided zero facts. Zero.
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#369 xscrapzx
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="MajorGamer531"]

Foliage? Did you really list foliage? And no Alan Wake's lighting is not better, they are pretty much the same.

UC2 has way higher res and far more detailed environmental texturing.

Yes, why ? Because Uncharted 2 has nearly none, and what it has looks plastic, should never be mentioned ?

I mean you would not mention foliage as a Crysis perk ? Really ?

Interesting since you ignore alan wakes blurry, low res, poorly animated gameplay but boast it's lighting and foliage and claim ownage.

First off I don't recall seeing blurry or a poorly animated gamplay as you say. I have never played Uncharted, but the lighting in Alan Wake is very impressive.
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#370 clone01
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[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehtheseekar

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

those aren't facts, they're opinion. and sorry, i'll take Kevin Van Ord's opinion over yours, being that he is a professional GS reviewer.
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#371 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Interesting since you ignore alan wakes blurry, low res, poorly animated gameplay but boast it's lighting and foliage and claim ownage.Respawn-d

Yes, i like the best lighting, scale and real forests more than just crisper resolution and textures, but with vastly smaller places like coriddors, no dynamic volumetric lgithing and almost zero foliage and no real forests at all

As i have already said, none of these games can be called graphics king, simply because both have ups and downs, and is up to each of us decide what is more important

For me Alan Wake perks are the most important by far and i like the art a lot better too

You clearly havent played uncharted 2

Everytime he responds he confirms this more and more.
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#372 theseekar
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This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehRespawn-d

Ok then, post a Uncharted 2 video that shows a PLAYABLE area more open and big then the below

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related- (after 1:30 minute)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related

Lets see who has played both games, and who has not

You dont understand how big and open AW is or how detailed and thick forests are, that is why you think my U2 comments are off

Well, watch the videos above and post one from U2 then, not on rails, actual playable and walkable / explorable areas, not running on a rail with a train for exmaple

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#373 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehtheseekar

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

If you u don't know about the villages in UC2 you simply haven't played the game.
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#374 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

Yes, why ? Because Uncharted 2 has nearly none, and what it has looks plastic, should never be mentioned ?

I mean you would not mention foliage as a Crysis perk ? Really ?

xscrapzx

Interesting since you ignore alan wakes blurry, low res, poorly animated gameplay but boast it's lighting and foliage and claim ownage.

First off I don't recall seeing blurry or a poorly animated gamplay as you say. I have never played Uncharted, but the lighting in Alan Wake is very impressive.

Poor compared to uncharted 2's. When you play UC2 go back and play AW. You'll see what I mean.

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#375 Respawn-d
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehZero_epyon

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

If you u don't know about the villages in UC2 you simply haven't played the game.

And if you dont know who Kevin-V is then..............well. Welcome to gamespot
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#376 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehZero_epyon

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

If you u don't know about the villages in UC2 you simply haven't played the game.

Here is a video showing part of the area.

Link

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#377 theseekar
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Respawn-d"]This is getting anoying. Uncharted 2 is far more open then corridors (village lvs anyone). The only ppl who claim this havent played. Also Kevin-v Already commented in sw saying alan wakes graphics were mehZero_epyon

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

If you u don't know about the villages in UC2 you simply haven't played the game.

Yes, i know, but that is not a big open area, again you walk in tiny paths, and see only a tiny portion of the thing at once

Plus the scale is not even close to AW biggest places

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#378 Pelon208
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Ok guys time to end this madness

Yeahh last gen lighting right :roll:

You have never played this game TC

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#379 jyoung312
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TC you are the only one saying this. AW is a great looking game but it doesn't look better than Uncharted 2. You sound like a broken record in your comments going on about foliage. I'll take better textures, animations, physics, and character models over volumetric lighting and foliage any day. This reminds me of the one time pansola tried to argue that bc MW2 looks slightly better on 360 and using one line in a GT's review about level detail that MW2 looks better than KZ2 and Uncharted 2 and that therefore 360 has graphics king is oh so powerful and it went on for pages and everyone just laughed at him. Is that you in there pansola?

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#381 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

theseekar

If you u don't know about the villages in UC2 you simply haven't played the game.

Yes, i know, but that is not a big open area, again you walk in tiny paths, and see only a tiny portion of the thing at once

Plus the scale is not even close to AW biggest places

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiw2as0L-2c
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#382 tempest91
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[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Interesting since you ignore alan wakes blurry, low res, poorly animated gameplay but boast it's lighting and foliage and claim ownage.Zero_epyon

First off I don't recall seeing blurry or a poorly animated gamplay as you say. I have never played Uncharted, but the lighting in Alan Wake is very impressive.

Poor compared to uncharted 2's. When you play UC2 go back and play AW. You'll see what I mean.

I would definitely not say poor, since I played both back to back, but UC2's is better.

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#383 dommeus
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Lol...no. UC2 looks far better than Alan Wake.

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#384 theseekar
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TC you are the only one saying this. AW is a great looking game but it doesn't look better than Uncharted 2. You sound like a broken record in your comments going on about foliage. I'll take better textures, animations, physics, and character models over volumetric lighting and foliage any day. This reminds me of the one time pansola tried to argue that bc MW2 looks slightly better on 360 and using one line in a GT's review about level detail that MW2 looks better than KZ2 and Uncharted 2 and that therefore 360 has graphics king is oh so powerful and it went on for pages and everyone just laughed at him. Is that you in there pansola?

jyoung312

Yes, of course, like i would take foliage, weather effects, physics, huge scale, open places and lighting over some crisper textures/resolution of U2 anyday

That is called having an opinion, and everyone has one

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#385 Zero_epyon
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This is a multiplayer map:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h18xSnpPbyk

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this is a very entertaining thread.
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[QUOTE="jyoung312"]

TC you are the only one saying this. AW is a great looking game but it doesn't look better than Uncharted 2. You sound like a broken record in your comments going on about foliage. I'll take better textures, animations, physics, and character models over volumetric lighting and foliage any day. This reminds me of the one time pansola tried to argue that bc MW2 looks slightly better on 360 and using one line in a GT's review about level detail that MW2 looks better than KZ2 and Uncharted 2 and that therefore 360 has graphics king is oh so powerful and it went on for pages and everyone just laughed at him. Is that you in there pansola?

theseekar

Yes, of course, like i would take foliage, weather effects, physics, huge scale, open placesand lighting over some crisper textures/resolution of U2anyday

That is called having an opinion, and everyone has one

I would rather have all of the above. Its called uncharted2
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#388 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

1. Link ?

2. Who on earth is Kevn-V, and why his opinion would ever be above my own two eyes and simple facts directly proven from videos i have posted

theseekar

If you u don't know about the villages in UC2 you simply haven't played the game.

Yes, i know, but that is not a big open area, again you walk in tiny paths, and see only a tiny portion of the thing at once

Plus the scale is not even close to AW biggest places

Again, besides the farm can you provide an example of this "vast and widely open" gameplay from alan wake that's 100X bigger than UC2?
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#389 theseekar
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="jyoung312"]

TC you are the only one saying this. AW is a great looking game but it doesn't look better than Uncharted 2. You sound like a broken record in your comments going on about foliage. I'll take better textures, animations, physics, and character models over volumetric lighting and foliage any day. This reminds me of the one time pansola tried to argue that bc MW2 looks slightly better on 360 and using one line in a GT's review about level detail that MW2 looks better than KZ2 and Uncharted 2 and that therefore 360 has graphics king is oh so powerful and it went on for pages and everyone just laughed at him. Is that you in there pansola?

Respawn-d

Yes, of course, like i would take foliage, weather effects, physics, huge scale, open placesand lighting over some crisper textures/resolution of U2anyday

That is called having an opinion, and everyone has one

I would rather have all of the above. Its called uncharted2

Sorr, but Uncharted 2 has almost zero foliage, no real forests, no huge weather effects on foliage, no dynamic volumetric lighting, and tiny tiny scale and places, extremely limited and closed comparing to AW that packs some vast open areas

Alan Wake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related- (after 1:30 minute)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related


.

Uncharted 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hztQX3xgZMo

.
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Ok, now compare the scale, open world and actual playable area possibilities in both
Uncharted 2 is sitll in a tiny place, by your very own video

Ifthat is the biggest Uncharted 2 place, then Alan Wake is 100x bigger and more open by the above videos

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#390 theseekar
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Again, besides the farm can you provide an example of this "vast and widely open" gameplay from alan wake that's 100X bigger than UC2?Zero_epyon

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related(after 1:30 minute)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlH1yvVMYMg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aj1CB-1ZYPw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFxpHvlPi1g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAc9WsGstUc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGubLxgL1Ec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp0-5rE4JqY&feature=related

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#391 Respawn-d
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Someone post the pic when Drake and sully and Chloe walk in the dark with flashlights. Then post the pic of Drake with the torch in the dark. (shows blood on ground)
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#392 BigBoss154
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If I see the word foliage again in this thread...

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#393 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="jyoung312"] [QUOTE="Respawn-d"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="jyoung312"]

TC you are the only one saying this. AW is a great looking game but it doesn't look better than Uncharted 2. You sound like a broken record in your comments going on about foliage. I'll take better textures, animations, physics, and character models over volumetric lighting and foliage any day. This reminds me of the one time pansola tried to argue that bc MW2 looks slightly better on 360 and using one line in a GT's review about level detail that MW2 looks better than KZ2 and Uncharted 2 and that therefore 360 has graphics king is oh so powerful and it went on for pages and everyone just laughed at him. Is that you in there pansola?

theseekar

Yes, of course, like i would take foliage, weather effects, physics, huge scale, open placesand lighting over some crisper textures/resolution of U2anyday

That is called having an opinion, and everyone has one

I would rather have all of the above. Its called uncharted2

Ha! He's never played UC2. This thread, although entertaining, needs to die already.

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#394 clone01
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If I see the word foliage again in this thread...

BigBoss154
how about vast open worlds, and dynamic volumetric lighting? :P
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#395 theseekar
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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="jyoung312"] [QUOTE="Respawn-d"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

Yes, of course, like i would take foliage, weather effects, physics, huge scale, open placesand lighting over some crisper textures/resolution of U2anyday

That is called having an opinion, and everyone has one

Zero_epyon

I would rather have all of the above. Its called uncharted2

Ha! He's never played UC2. This thread, although entertaining, needs to die already.

I have played Uncharted 2, the real problem is that most people here have not played Alan Wake, because they dont have a 360

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#396 jyoung312
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[QUOTE="jyoung312"]

TC you are the only one saying this. AW is a great looking game but it doesn't look better than Uncharted 2. You sound like a broken record in your comments going on about foliage. I'll take better textures, animations, physics, and character models over volumetric lighting and foliage any day. This reminds me of the one time pansola tried to argue that bc MW2 looks slightly better on 360 and using one line in a GT's review about level detail that MW2 looks better than KZ2 and Uncharted 2 and that therefore 360 has graphics king is oh so powerful and it went on for pages and everyone just laughed at him. Is that you in there pansola?

theseekar

Yes, of course, like i would take foliage, weather effects, physics, huge scale, open places and lighting over some crisper textures/resolution of U2 anyday

That is called having an opinion, and everyone has one

If you want to talk weather effects here enjoy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcwZWUiVE9Y snow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKF0Y1sjLuE thunder storm
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#397 sergemyster8
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Come on guys Alan Wake is a very good looking game but Uncharted 2 looks better.

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#398 Respawn-d
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[QUOTE="Respawn-d"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

Yes, of course, like i would take foliage, weather effects, physics, huge scale, open placesand lighting over some crisper textures/resolution of U2anyday

That is called having an opinion, and everyone has one

theseekar

I would rather have all of the above. Its called uncharted2

Sorr, but Uncharted 2 has almost zero foliage, no real forests, no huge weather effects on foliage, no dynamic volumetric lighting, and tiny tiny scale and places, extremely limited and closed comparing to AW that packs some vast open areas

Alan Wake

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related- (after 1:30 minute)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related


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Uncharted 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hztQX3xgZMo

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Ok, now compare the scale, open world and actual playable area possibilities in both
Uncharted 2 is sitll in a tiny place, by your very own video

Ifthat is the biggest Uncharted 2 place, then Alan Wake is 100x bigger and more open by the above videos

Saying u2 has no trees or leaves confirms that you havent played the game. Also You hardly ever fun around tight corridors except some city lvs and none fighting platforming in the mountains.
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#399 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"] I would rather have all of the above. Its called uncharted2theseekar

Ha! He's never played UC2. This thread, although entertaining, needs to die already.

I have played Uncharted 2, the real problem is that most people here have not played Alan Wake, because they dont have a 360

Well I've played both. On the same Tv with the same resolution. UC2 wins.
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#400 FIipMode
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Heh, pretty surprised this thread is still going.