Alan Wake looks better than Unchrted 2 or not ?

I think the detail in Alan Wake is better than the detail in U2. Alan Wake is a good looking game, with some of the best lighting I've ever seen in a video game. Uncharted 2 probably has better character animation, but the surrounding backgrounds can just be ok looking at some parts. I think U2 gets alot of it's graphics hype from how colorful it is. With AWs mood colorful would not work, and in the places colorful does fit, Remedy does a great job with it. I guess what I'm saying is both games look really great for console games, but I'd give a slight nod to AW, especially when you factor in the openness of AW and the fact that it still looks as good as it does.

I was debating buying the game with all the put downs on SWs about it, but I will tell you this. I rented it, played it, returned it and bought it, and it looks and plays great. It's a beautiful game. It's probably one of the best purchases I made this year.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="darthogre"]"huge scale, some levels are totally open and vast" LOL It's a linear game........Lems are still trying to say this is an open world game? No wonder you believe it beats Uncharted 2 for graphics. Face it, it's sub HD. does it look good, sure but it's not even in the discussion with Uncharted 2. Gears of War 2 is more in the dicussion.shinrabanshou

It doesn't, but has better lighting than that game.

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"] The game itself tor each objectives is right in front of you, but you can still go off the beaten path and explore. If you have played and look for the manuscripts there are some that you go for about a good 10 minutes off the "linear game" if you will to get to it. No it would be a joke to call it a sandbox game, it would also be a joke to call it a blatant linear game like Ninja Gaiden. There are plenty of times where there are several different directions to go to get to a check point instead of one path. xscrapzx

im sorry but..

Uncharted 2's moving train level >>>>>>>> foliage.

that's all there is to it.

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[QUOTE="theseekar"]

Alan Wake has some vast opne levels, the farm especially and driving sections are places you can get out and explore actually, not just driving

Also has far better lighting, volumetrics too

And has real 3D forests, and thick ones, affected by weather

Do you have a single U2 video showing a forest you can actually get lost in ? Prove it then by posting a link

sts106mat

Look, Mr Seeker, we can all see that no matter what anyone says, that you wont change your opinion. You have already made up your mind, much like other people here have made up their minds and wont change.

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HERE IS THE ISSUE:

The VAST MAJORITY says: UC2 is the better looking game.

The TINY MINORITY says: Alan Wake is the better looking game.

Do you really think that you can turn the tides, in this place, by talking about such simple things as "apparent openness" and "foilage"?

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ALAN WAKE is not an open-world game. It has big environments in select places... otherwise you are stuck to a narrow path.

UNCHARTED 2 is not an open-world game. It has big environments in fewer select places... otherwise you are stuck to a narrow path.

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ALAN WAKE is a one-trick pony. The entire game is set in the same setting, with VERY LITTLE deviation from the norm. It honestly gets boring, visually, seeing the same thing for the 12 hours it takes to finish.

UNCHARTED 2 delivers in a vast array of different environments. Snow, jungle, cities, villages, trains, temples, caves and other landmarks. It looks incredible in each location.

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You like to talk about foilage, great:

ALAN WAKE has nice foilage, SOME of which is interactive, as you have shown in videos.

UNCHARTED 2 has nice foilage,when the environment calls for it, SOME (but less) is interactive:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KehMGb9i50

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ALAN WAKE has awkward animations in both gameplay, and (more noticeably) in cut-scenes. It sometimes gets to the point that its unintentionally funny.

UNCHARTED 2 has great, procedural animations throughout.

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ALAN WAKE uses volumetric lighting, which looks better at night than at day.

UNCHARTED 2 uses dynamic lighting that looks good in both dark places and bright:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfGop3t9f9Y

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ALAN WAKE has low resolution textures in majority.

UNCHARTED 2 has high resolution textures in majority.

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ALAN WAKE has average character models.

UNCHARTED 2 has excellent character models.

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ALAN WAKE features prominent screen tearing

UNCHARTED 2 has no tearing.

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ALAN WAKE is at 540p

UNCHARTED 2 is at 720p

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What else is there to comment on other than that you will NEVER change your mind regardless... posting this was probably the biggest waste of my time anyway.

Alan Wake has better lighting, and that's pretty much it. Uncharted 2 beats it in pretty much every other aspect.All that foliage nonsense means nothing because firstly it's not that hard to do foliage, and secondly the only part you're in a forest in Uncharted 2 is in Borneo. I can say Uncharted 2 has the best snow effects ever seen in a console game, much better than Alan Wake, even though there's hardly any snow in that game.

Yes, it looks better than uncharted 2.

Alan Wake has better lighting, and that's pretty much it. Uncharted 2 beats it in pretty much every other aspect.All that foliage nonsense means nothing because firstly it's not that hard to do foliage, and secondly the only part you're in a forest in Uncharted 2 is in Borneo. I can say Uncharted 2 has the best snow effects ever seen in a console game, much better than Alan Wake, even though there's hardly any snow in that game.

idontbeliveit

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Alan Wake has better lighting, and that's pretty much it. Uncharted 2 beats it in pretty much every other aspect.All that foliage nonsense means nothing because firstly it's not that hard to do foliage, and secondly the only part you're in a forest in Uncharted 2 is in Borneo. I can say Uncharted 2 has the best snow effects ever seen in a console game, much better than Alan Wake, even though there's hardly any snow in that game.

SpiritOfFire117

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Alan Wake has better lighting, and that's pretty much it. Uncharted 2 beats it in pretty much every other aspect.All that foliage nonsense means nothing because firstly it's not that hard to do foliage, and secondly the only part you're in a forest in Uncharted 2 is in Borneo. I can say Uncharted 2 has the best snow effects ever seen in a console game, much better than Alan Wake, even though there's hardly any snow in that game.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Eh... FFXIII has the Archlyte Steppe and like 50 hunts, but that doesn't mean it's not a linear game overall.

Animal-Mother

I don't know why people are insisting that alan wake is open world. It's a linear game with small side paths in some sections. All the side paths are for are extra ammo and collectibles and the occasional ambush. UC2 had the same with treasure hunting.

[QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"]

Alan Wake has better lighting, and that's pretty much it. Uncharted 2 beats it in pretty much every other aspect.All that foliage nonsense means nothing because firstly it's not that hard to do foliage, and secondly the only part you're in a forest in Uncharted 2 is in Borneo. I can say Uncharted 2 has the best snow effects ever seen in a console game, much better than Alan Wake, even though there's hardly any snow in that game.

idontbeliveit

On the contrary Obamanian, I find Uncharted 2 to look better than Alan Wake. I'm only up to Episode 3 and the game looks fantastic, however I still think Uncharted 2 has it beat.

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"] To me a linear game is a game that you stay on one path and thats it. There is no going anywhere but on that path.Zero_epyon

I don't know why people are insisting that alan wake is open world. It's a linear game with small side paths in some sections. All the side paths are for are extra ammo and collectibles and the occasional ambush. UC2 had the same with treasure hunting.

[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"][QUOTE="SpiritOfFire117"]There is no snow in AW.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"]And thats what happens in alan wakeAnimal-Mother

I don't know why people are insisting that alan wake is open world. It's a linear game with small side paths in some sections. All the side paths are for are extra ammo and collectibles and the occasional ambush. UC2 had the same with treasure hunting.

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[QUOTE="idontbeliveit"] I know that, that was my point. When I said "in that game" I was referring to Alan Wake.idontbeliveit

that was me LOL. there is some on mirror peak. you see it outside the lodge at the begining of episode 4.sts106mat

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]Eh... FFXIII has the Archlyte Steppe and like 50 hunts, but that doesn't mean it's not a linear game overall.

Animal-Mother

[QUOTE="sts106mat"][QUOTE="RockyNando"]

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

Look, Mr Seeker, we can all see that no matter what anyone says, that you wont change your opinion. You have already made up your mind, much like other people here have made up their minds and wont change.

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HERE IS THE ISSUE:

The VAST MAJORITY says: UC2 is the better looking game.

The TINY MINORITY says: Alan Wake is the better looking game.

Do you really think that you can turn the tides, in this place, by talking about such simple things as "apparent openness" and "foilage"?

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ALAN WAKE is not an open-world game. It has big environments in select places... otherwise you are stuck to a narrow path.

UNCHARTED 2 is not an open-world game. It has big environments in fewer select places... otherwise you are stuck to a narrow path.

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ALAN WAKE is a one-trick pony. The entire game is set in the same setting, with VERY LITTLE deviation from the norm. It honestly gets boring, visually, seeing the same thing for the 12 hours it takes to finish.

UNCHARTED 2 delivers in a vast array of different environments. Snow, jungle, cities, villages, trains, temples, caves and other landmarks. It looks incredible in each location.

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You like to talk about foilage, great:

ALAN WAKE has nice foilage, SOME of which is interactive, as you have shown in videos.

UNCHARTED 2 has nice foilage,when the environment calls for it, SOME (but less) is interactive:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KehMGb9i50

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ALAN WAKE has awkward animations in both gameplay, and (more noticeably) in cut-scenes. It sometimes gets to the point that its unintentionally funny.

UNCHARTED 2 has great, procedural animations throughout.

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ALAN WAKE uses volumetric lighting, which looks better at night than at day.

UNCHARTED 2 uses dynamic lighting that looks good in both dark places and bright:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfGop3t9f9Y

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ALAN WAKE has low resolution textures in majority.

UNCHARTED 2 has high resolution textures in majority.

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ALAN WAKE has average character models.

UNCHARTED 2 has excellent character models.

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ALAN WAKE features prominent screen tearing

UNCHARTED 2 has no tearing.

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ALAN WAKE is at 540p

UNCHARTED 2 is at 720p

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What else is there to comment on other than that you will NEVER change your mind regardless... posting this was probably the biggest waste of my time anyway.

ryetech

Great post and I would just like to add that Uncharted also has a rock steady framerate no matter what's happening on screen, even in multiplayer where there are more variables that can effect framerate and Alan wake doesn't.

yes and those reviewers opinions may be opinions but carry more weight when its soo overwhelming on one side. but some people will think what they want which is okay but do not then try to say that their opinion is right. well I too am wasting my time but love the responce

[QUOTE="johny300"]Uncharted 2 won so many awards at the GDC from what i heard. alan wake will have to see in the future.theseekar

all overhyped games win awards, even the subHD MGS4 or Halo, that means nada

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"] To me a linear game is a game that you stay on one path and thats it. There is no going anywhere but on that path.xscrapzx

The problem is that still Alan Wake big levels are 100x bigger than Uncharted 2 biggest ones and vastly more open, and still has far better and more next gen lighting, foliage and real forests

Uncharted 2 forest is a joke comparing, always among walls in tiny paths and a leaf heare and there, makes me puzzled that Uncharted foliage is even mentioned

BUt is ok, as i said that is just my opinion

In the end, these places in the video below, look 100x better than anything i have seen in the tiny, static and boring, lacking any foliage places of Uncharted 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related- (after 1:30 minute)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"] My thoughts exactly.

jasonharris48

But suggesting resolution and textures are more important than next gen lighting, physics, huge scale and thic foliage/forests is just an opinion, far from a proof

I think two things are happening here.

1) People, including TC, are mistaking Open world with big levels. These two are not the same

2) Using the term open allows for certain excuses to be used when discussing graphics. For example, if alan wake is seen as open and UC2 seen as closed or linear, then Alan Wake appears to do a fantastic job for being open. However this is not the case by far.

Graphics in Alan wake are good. They don't surpass UC2 but it doesn't mean that they're bad.

The problem is that still Alan Wake big levels are 100x bigger than Uncharted 2 biggest ones and vastly more open, and still has far better and more next gen lighting, foliage and real forests

Uncharted 2 forest is a joke comparing, always among walls in tiny paths and a leaf heare and there, makes me puzzled that Uncharted foliage is even mentioned

BUt is ok, as i said that is just my opinion

In the end, these places in the video below, look 100x better than anything i have seen in the tiny, static and boring, lacking any foliage places of Uncharted 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related- (after 1:30 minute)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related

theseekar

I think two things are happening here.

1) People, including TC, are mistaking Open world with big levels. These two are not the same

2) Using the term open allows for certain excuses to be used when discussing graphics. For example, if alan wake is seen as open and UC2 seen as closed or linear, then Alan Wake appears to do a fantastic job for being open. However this is not the case by far.

Graphics in Alan wake are good. They don't surpass UC2 but it doesn't mean that they're bad.

Zero_epyon

The problem is that Uncharetd 2 is so limited and closed that is the kind of games that gives me clystophobia, Alan Wake is rarely that way and in many places is open and vast, like the farm and some roadways to places, everything is totally open and free roaming there, there is absolutly nothing like that in Uncharetd 2

Then there is the foliage that Uncharetd 2 has not got nearly at all, and of course the lighting that is leaps and bounds better in Alan Wake

So, beeing so far behind in some basic aspects, i dont see how Unchrted 2 looks even comparable

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

The problem is that still Alan Wake big levels are 100x bigger than Uncharted 2 biggest ones and vastly more open, and still has far better and more next gen lighting, foliage and real forests

Uncharted 2 forest is a joke comparing, always among walls in tiny paths and a leaf heare and there, makes me puzzled that Uncharted foliage is even mentioned

BUt is ok, as i said that is just my opinion

In the end, these places in the video below, look 100x better than anything i have seen in the tiny, static and boring, lacking any foliage places of Uncharted 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related- (after 1:30 minute)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related

Zero_epyon

Nope, Uncharted 2 levels are tiny paths, there is nothing like that on U2, sorry

Ask anyone that has played U2, there is no open places like that, where you can explore,at all

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="xscrapzx"] To me a linear game is a game that you stay on one path and thats it. There is no going anywhere but on that path.xscrapzx

The problem is that still Alan Wake big levels are 100x bigger than Uncharted 2 biggest ones and vastly more open, and still has far better and more next gen lighting, foliage and real forests

Uncharted 2 forest is a joke comparing, always among walls in tiny paths and a leaf heare and there, makes me puzzled that Uncharted foliage is even mentioned

BUt is ok, as i said that is just my opinion

In the end, these places in the video below, look 100x better than anything i have seen in the tiny, static and boring, lacking any foliage places of Uncharted 2

theseekar

Obamanian, you really need to change your posting ****. It's way too obvious :P

I'm only up to Episode 3, however, whilst the level do have areas where you can sidetrack, it is only a very small amount and usually only for collectibles, such as manuscripts or thermoses etc.

Either way, it's still a path in a literal sense, and is not this "100x" bigger thing you are trying to convey. Hyperbole isn't really a good option with what you're trying to prove.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="theseekar"]

The problem is that still Alan Wake big levels are 100x bigger than Uncharted 2 biggest ones and vastly more open, and still has far better and more next gen lighting, foliage and real forests

Uncharted 2 forest is a joke comparing, always among walls in tiny paths and a leaf heare and there, makes me puzzled that Uncharted foliage is even mentioned

BUt is ok, as i said that is just my opinion

In the end, these places in the video below, look 100x better than anything i have seen in the tiny, static and boring, lacking any foliage places of Uncharted 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOBN04saU4I&feature=related- (after 1:30 minute)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAM_gx5qH8g&feature=related

theseekar

Nope, Uncharted 2 levels are tiny paths, there is nothing like that on U2, sorry

Ask anyone that has played U2, there is no open places like that, where you can explore,at all

Alan Wake looks more realistic. Character models aren't near as good, but the environments give Uncharted 2 something to envy a bit in my opinion. UC2 has a cartoonish look. While it still looks gorgeous and is most definitely prettier than Alan Wake, Alan Wake pulls off the realism factor almost flawlessly. It's something I didn't really realize until Alan Wake came along, but Uncharted 2's environments are so jam-packed full of eye-candy (not a knock on the game though, I love the eye-candy) yet so extremely linear that it feels as though its missing the subtle realism that more open ended, well made environments which realistically allow you to travel through them in multiple ways, offer. Alan Wake's gorgeous forest, with its beautiful lighting and water and its dynamic fog system looks and just plain feels better than any environment in UC2. Now that I've seen a linear, story based game such as Alan Wake pull off open ended, realistic feeling environments, I kind of hope UC3 does the same.

im so sorry.

but this this just beat Alan Wake.

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

I think two things are happening here.

1) People, including TC, are mistaking Open world with big levels. These two are not the same

2) Using the term open allows for certain excuses to be used when discussing graphics. For example, if alan wake is seen as open and UC2 seen as closed or linear, then Alan Wake appears to do a fantastic job for being open. However this is not the case by far.

Graphics in Alan wake are good. They don't surpass UC2 but it doesn't mean that they're bad.

theseekar

The problem is that Uncharetd 2 is so limited and closed that is the kind of games that gives me clystophobia, Alan Wake is rarely that way and in many places is open and vast, like the farm and some roadways to places, everything is totally open and free roaming there, there is absolutly nothing like that in Uncharetd 2

Then there is the foliage that Uncharetd 2 has not got nearly at all, and of course the lighting that is leaps and bounds better in Alan Wake

So, beeing so far behind in some basic aspects, i dont see how Unchrted 2 looks even comparable

I think it depends on the way you look at it and measure it

If your just looking at the end result then UC2 takes the cake here

But if you try to say which is technically better then you have a problem, alan wake is doing more, with the lighting, shaders, copius amounts of fog and wind, the animations on all the trees with the wind, and a few of the levels have a fairly large scale that you get to drive across the country in taking in the beautiful scenary. But UC2 does things that are technically better in other areas mainly animation.

What in the heck TC. Uncharted 2 uses far more advanced post processing let alone has a higher resolution. The foliage in UC2 is the art work like the foliage in alan wake. If they wanna change the foliage and redo the art assets, for your sake I hope they don't (it will make this post and you look stupid), then let them do it, but it was made for UC2 to match what the devs wanted to do. Jeeeez, why does the TC act butt hurt on something he never made a profit on. Think about it TC.

All I can tell you is that my wife looks better than both. :PArach666

[QUOTE="Arach666"]All I can tell you is that my wife looks better than both. :PZero_epyon

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="Arach666"]All I can tell you is that my wife looks better than both. :PArach666

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="KevinButlerVP"] AW does not have vast open areas, completely linear closed in areas like U2. You must have seen the PC footage from like 5 years agoAce6301

Have you actually played the game ? Any comments on the farm size near the end ? Because i was driving a car around whole mountains and hills to find the next objctive there

How come you "missed" that spot ? And is not the only one

There is nothign like that in Uncarted 2, sorry

[QUOTE="Arach666"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Well that's not fair. Real girl always wins vs games.savagetwinkie

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"] Oh believe me,some would not agree with that statement;)Arach666

[QUOTE="Arach666"]No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.theseekar

How so, when in most aspects like scale, foliage and lighting, Uncharted 2is so far behind ?

Well, i would like some expaination and comment on my post, a well backed up opinion, that is

Foliage? Did you really list foliage? And no Alan Wake's lighting is not better, they are pretty much the same.

UC2 has way higher res and far more detailed environmental texturing.

[QUOTE="theseekar"]

[QUOTE="Arach666"]No,Alan Wake looks good but not as good as Uncharted 2.MajorGamer531

How so, when in most aspects like scale, foliage and lighting, Uncharted 2is so far behind ?

Well, i would like some expaination and comment on my post, a well backed up opinion, that is

Foliage? Did you really list foliage? And no Alan Wake's lighting is not better, they are pretty much the same.

UC2 has way higher res and far more detailed environmental texturing.