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#201 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

This right here is gold, almost sig worthy but not funny enough.

Espada12

Wow, you're so red in the face you didn't even realize it was a JOKE! :shock:

Which part is the joke? I seriously can't tell.

Well, as far as I know, everyone on these forums know Sony isn't porting their top exclusives to PC. He didn't list a source or hint like "a friend of a friend of a girl friend of a ex-mother's cat!" The whole post in fact seemed like a 'take that' to Lemmings. I mean, yeah, he wrote it like it was serious but the context was so far over the top...
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#202 Espada12
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Nerkcon"] Wow, you're so red in the face you didn't even realize it was a JOKE! :shock:Nerkcon

Which part is the joke? I seriously can't tell.

Well, as far as I know, everyone on these forums know Sony isn't porting their top exclusives to PC. He didn't list a source or hint like "a friend of a friend of a girl friend of a ex-mother's cat!" The whole post in fact seemed like a 'take that' to Lemmings. I mean, yeah, he wrote it like it was serious but the context was so far over the top...

Oh my post wasn't referring to the whole statement, only the last line, which honestly is so wrong it's not even funny.

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#203 UnknownSniper65
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I am surprised this game is getting this much attention

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#204 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Which part is the joke? I seriously can't tell.

Espada12

Well, as far as I know, everyone on these forums know Sony isn't porting their top exclusives to PC. He didn't list a source or hint like "a friend of a friend of a girl friend of a ex-mother's cat!" The whole post in fact seemed like a 'take that' to Lemmings. I mean, yeah, he wrote it like it was serious but the context was so far over the top...

Oh my post wasn't referring to the whole statement, only the last line, which honestly is so wrong it's not even funny.

Confused about 1 thing here: Are you saying the state as it is is a joke or agree with me and referring to the statement in reverse as a joke? Because SOE does have a long of PC-PS3 games planned, The agency(was it caned? haven't heard much about in a couple years), Everquest 2 port, and DCU.
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#205 Espada12
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Confused about 1 thing here: Are you saying the state as it is is a joke or agree with me and referring to the statement in reverse as a joke? Because SOE does have a long of PC-PS3 games planned, The agency(was it caned? haven't heard much about in a couple years), Everquest 2 port, and DCU.Nerkcon

I agree that sony supports PC gaming more than MS through SOE lol.

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#206 mitu123
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The funny thing is that cows say MS doesn't own PC, if they don't why support it? So why complain.

MC3887

They just like to spin arguments, that's all.:P

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#207 Nerkcon
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[QUOTE="MC3887"]

The funny thing is that cows say MS doesn't own PC, if they don't why support it? So why complain.

mitu123

They just like to spin arguments, that's all.:P

Are lemmings now starting to mentally merge Cows and Hermits into the same group? A cow strategy is working! :shock:
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#208 MC3887
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="MC3887"]

The funny thing is that cows say MS doesn't own PC, if they don't why support it? So why complain.

Nerkcon

They just like to spin arguments, that's all.:P

Are lemmings now starting to mentally merge Cows and Hermits into the same group? A cow strategy is working! :shock:

Cows use it all the time when lems use ME2.

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#209 too_much_eslim
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[QUOTE="too_much_eslim"]SO sad to see people refuse to buy a 360. I mean they say all its best games are on a PC, then when a lot of good games actually stay 360 exclusive they say I rather not play the game then. So sad to see people hype about a game and become so fan boyish because they don't want to buy a certain system.devious742

pc gamers are insulted by the excuse they gave..not that the game is not coming to pc... troll harder next time

excuse me, but how was I trolling?
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#210 jessmaster13
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Sucks for PC gamers.

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#211 Cerberus_Legion
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A shame PC gamers can't play it if they don't own a 360. I'm still confused as to why they - if they do have a 360 - wouldn't want to try it out, however, judging from some of these comments. Oh well. The game has changed, yes, but it could still be quality. Nonlinearity =/= quality. Remedy has a decent trackrecord. I'm still very much interested in Alan Wake.

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#212 MC3887
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A shame PC gamers can't play it if they don't own a 360. I'm still confused as to why they - if they do have a 360 - wouldn't want to try it out, however, judging from some of these comments. Oh well. The game has changed, yes, but it could still be quality. Nonlinearity =/= quality. Remedy has a decent trackrecord. I'm still very much interested in Alan Wake.

Cerberus_Legion

Still open during the day, omg....

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#213 Cerberus_Legion
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[QUOTE="Cerberus_Legion"]

A shame PC gamers can't play it if they don't own a 360. I'm still confused as to why they - if they do have a 360 - wouldn't want to try it out, however, judging from some of these comments. Oh well. The game has changed, yes, but it could still be quality. Nonlinearity =/= quality. Remedy has a decent trackrecord. I'm still very much interested in Alan Wake.

MC3887

Still open during the day, omg....

EDIT: Oh wait. The game is open during the day, I know. But a lot of gamers here are complaining about how it has lost MOST of its non-linearity.

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#214 AdrianWerner
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]I'm sure people everywhere are just holding their breath in anticipation for SILENT HUNTER 5, submarine simulator. Again, the majority of that list is a bunch of garbage no one cares about.

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Plenty of people are. Silent Hunter has always been quite popular and beloved franchise. In the recent financial report Ubi names it along with Settlers VII as their main money maker during Q2. But I forgot that just because a game doesn't fit your console centric tastes it means it's not worth mentioning. Same with Settlers, right? :D

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#215 AdrianWerner
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Oh come on, Microsoft shares so many titles with the PC and the Xbox 360, not to mention last generation when they ported two versions of there biggest franchise at that time. (This move sucks for alternative gamers but painting MS as the villain for providing the 360 with a little bit of leverage is petty.

visionary

I'm talking about current situation. YOu're clinging to something Microsoft did many years ago. In recent years MS had zero support for PC gaming, Sony had far more. THat's not petty bashing, those are simple facts

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#216 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="visionary"]

Place that within the context of my post (as if to imply that MS's mission is to destroy PC gaming as a whole, which is completely moronic when you think about them and the OS business) just how many first party titles are shared between the other two major console companies and the PC compared to Microsoft o_O. As for Ensemble, it's not like they were picked up by MS and later destroyed, they've pretty much been with them since the get-go. Suddenly, if a PC studio shuts down under another publisher, that corporation is after the PC? Let's just forget about all the good that "said" studio provided for PC gaming in the past.

visionary

MS shut down every PC dev they had, the freelance devs, ensemble, the flight sim devs, FASA etc.. it's not just 1 pc dev. MS is all about the 360, they do not care about PC gaming as they actually make very little from it, they want the 360 to become the gaming platform of pc gamers so they can milk us.

Ok, aside from Ensemble, for the purposes of my own education. Which devs did MS shut down exactly since I keep hearing this without a concrete list, (which directly affected PC gamers), and just for fun tell me if you actually paid and played those titles with the joy I assume you complainers have. If you answer no to any of this, you can understand purely from a business perspective why these developers were shut down o_O.

Since Xbox was announced we've often heard Microsoft reps assuring us PC gamers that they are still committed fully to PC gaming. Maybe we should have been less trustful, but when MS was shipping games like Rise of Nations or Freelancer we really had no reason to expect the worst. Then came the whole Games for Windows initiative. And we were once again assured how much MS is into PC gaming, we were promised a lot, what did we get? Let's see what MS has done with their PC gaming division in the last few years.

  • Moved FASA franchises (Battletech, CrimsonSkies and Shadowrun) to Xbox, when they flopped there MS closed down FASA studios and sold the IPs. Not to mention that they didn't extend the relationships with independent PC developers who worked on those franchises in their PC forms (especially Zipper is a good example, they went in to Playstation 2 where they created the popular SOCOM franchise and eventually got bought by Sony)

    Moved Links and Midtown Madness to Xbox, they flopped there, so Access Software was sold to 2K

    Let go of Digital Anvil teams who worked on PC Conquest: Frontier Wars and Loose Cannon. The remaining team was switched to Xbox to work on BruteForce, it flopped, MS as always closed them down.

    Got rid of Ashersons Call franchise by selling it back to Turbine

    Let Big Hug Games go (despite owning part of it), the company was bought by THQ

    Canceled the MMORPG Mythica

    Closed down ACES studio (responsible for Flight Sim, which was running longer than Windows itself!)

    Canceled MS Train Simulator 2 (it's developed KUJU eventually restarted the project and released it as Rail Simulator through Electronic Arts)

    Got rid of Marvel Online MMORPG, the devs went to Take2 where it became Champions Online

    First switched Ensemble (their most successful PC dev and one that specialized in games that do not work all that well on consoles) to 360 to make Halo Wars and then when the game was almost done they announced the studio will be closed down when the game ships.

    Zoo Tycoon IP is no longer in MS portfolio as the developer Blue Fang has switched publishers to THQ

    They bought PC-centric Lionhead Studios and from that moment there's just sound of crickets when asking about any upcoming PC projects they have.

    Even some ports of console games MS published (namely Jade Empire, Nija Blade and Mass Effect) weren't published by Microsoft, so essentialy the devs had to go behind MS' backs to get their games to pC



Basically since MS announced their newly restored commitment to PC gaming they've systematically been wiping it out, switching whatever they could to Xbox and whatever they couldn't switch they've closed down, sold or just let go.

It's ironic that the company who has a monopoly in OS market, one that is creating tools that every PC developer uses has moved out of PC gaming market. I have troubles thinking of any important publisher who actually has as little support for PC gaming. Yep, even Japanese console-centric publishers like Square Enix, Koei or Tecmo have stronger line-up of PC games than Microsoft does.Heck… Sony has a lot stronger upcoming PC line-up, you can almost taste the irony
PC gamers who are old enough probably still remember Origin, Bullfrog and Westwood, when Electronic Arts closed them down they got a widespread reputation of an "Evil Empire". Well, I think it's safe to say that now we've seen Microsoft climb upon that iron throne, threw the emperor out and put the crown on their own head.

To be fair they did more than just destroy, but even this ended up badly. They've tried to make us PC gamers give up free online gaming on dedicated servers, something we love so much and instead make us pay for playing through P2P, just like 360 users are. Then they tried cross-platform play, which also crashed and burned. Both of those have failed and we can be really thankful for that.
The only project of theirs that somewhat succeeded was the GamesforWindows branding, except in reality all it did was add an ugly bar on top of PC boxes and as it was a campaign aimed at increasing retail sales while looking as NPD's data for sales of retail pc games in US last year it's obvious they've failed at this.

I'm not villanizing MS here, I hate their decisions, but at the same time I know why they did all that. I'm just showing that they do not support PC gaming at all, they just blantantly lie in our face about it

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#217 njean777
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well that stinks for pc gamers that were interested, cant say i ever really cared for the game, but for those that do and dont have an xbox......

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#218 xOMGITSJASONx
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Thats why you never game on one platform. I have a pc.. a ps3, a 360 and even a wii. You won't see me getting butthurt EVER:lol:

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#219 gundaicut
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most xbox games are started to stay away from pc like gears2 and halo3 cuz of so many modders and hackers on pc there started to just develop games on consoles now
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#220 SpinoRaptor24
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Damn.

Well I was getting it on the 360 anyway.

Feel bad for PC gamers hyping this though.

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#221 Blade8Aus
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Don't care. Never cared.

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#222 windsquid9000
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Darn you Microsoft! *shakes fist angrily*

Mkay, I'm over it.

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#223 pstripl3
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ahahaha...i knew it was linear all along. lemmings kept on saying it was open world or something...well I guess not now.
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#224 ArisShadows
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Guess I can cross it off the list.
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#225 CMPunk13
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So it's announced it's not coming to the PC and all of a sudden the talk is "wtf? o well it wont be good anyways. not what it used to be". Gotta love it.

We'll see who's crying when the great reviews come in.

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#226 jalexbrown
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ahahaha...i knew it was linear all along. lemmings kept on saying it was open world or something...well I guess not now.pstripl3
Um...people have known for a while that they ditched the open-world. Anyone who watched the E3 demo was already well-aware of this.
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#227 skrat_01
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AdrianWerner

Great post. And of course Remedy should be quoted to back this up.

"Remedy has a deep heritage in PC gaming and we would love to see a PC version available for our PC followers. Ultimately, however, this is a decision that lies with our publisher."

MS putting its fingers over PC gaming for worse, from closing developers, snubbing titles and smearing all over Open GL.

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#228 AdmiralBison
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Does everyone really play their console from a couch on a big tv? I play both my PC and 360 from the same computer monitor...so it's like the same experience except for the controller.WithoutGraceXII

I can't speak for everyone but I do.

On a 50 inch 1080p and often on my1080p Projector with 7-1 surround sound.

Spacious couch, friends can just come in and see what I'mplaying and can still play some split screen games.

For me the experience is not the same on a computer.

case in point

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#229 ducati101
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The PC version will come out, just wait for it. MS made this announcement because of the info regarding Alan Wake on pc coming out soon after the 360 version. They don't want people to wait for the pc version, they want you to get the 360 version no matter what. Remedy will make an announcement regarding this after the 360 version comes out, by then it will be out of MS's hands.
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#230 ducati101
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[QUOTE="WithoutGraceXII"]Does everyone really play their console from a couch on a big tv? I play both my PC and 360 from the same computer monitor...so it's like the same experience except for the controller.AdmiralBison

I can't speak for everyone but I do.

On a 50 inch 1080p and often on my1080p Projector with 7-1 surround sound.

Spacious couch, friends can just come in and see what I'mplaying and can still play some split screen games.

For me the experience is not the same on a computer.

case in point

You do realise you dont actually play at 1080p? Btw people have been doing that set up on pc's for a while now and in geniune 1080p!

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#231 _Pedro_
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most xbox games are started to stay away from pc like gears2 and halo3 cuz of so many modders and hackers on pc there started to just develop games on consoles nowgundaicut
yeah it probably has nothing to with the millions microsoft payed them from keeping it from the pc platform.
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#232 deactivated-660c2894dc19c
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[QUOTE="Icarian"]

Interesting list. Though, there's only one game on the list that interests me. The Witcher 2 and it is coming to consoles, so a little mistake there.

RyuRanVII

The Witcher 2and Deus Ex 3 aren't confirmed for consoles. CD Projekt only mentioned their will to release something for consoles, probably the now defunct Rise of the White Wolf.

CD project canceled White Wolf and said that they want to bring Witcher 2 on consoles, which sounds like confirmation to me.

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#233 linkthewindow
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most xbox games are started to stay away from pc like gears2 and halo3 cuz of so many modders and hackers on pc there started to just develop games on consoles nowgundaicut
What's wrong with modding :/ And hackers are hardly common on PC (with the exception of some games like MW2.) Yes, they do happen, but it doesn't take much effort to ban them.
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#235 adamosmaki
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]]I'm sure people everywhere are just holding their breath in anticipation for SILENT HUNTER 5, submarine simulator. Again, the majority of that list is a bunch of garbage no one cares about.

ThatGuyFromB4

Plenty of people are. Silent Hunter has always been quite popular and beloved franchise. In the recent financial report Ubi names it along with Settlers VII as their main money maker during Q2. But I forgot that just because a game doesn't fit your console centric tastes it means it's not worth mentioning. Same with Settlers, right? :D

Well then, you can go have fun with your "quite popular and beloved" submarine simulator while I play some real games like ALAN WAKE. :lol:

You can play alan wake? I thought is not out yet. Meanwhile i will go build a 2000 spaceship empire bomb some planets fight space pirates and conquer the solar system using the starwars mod for Sins of a solar empire but i guess since it falls into the RTS category is not a "real" game
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#236 Panosola
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I don't really care for that.I will buy Alan Wake on the 360......one more awesome exclusive game for the XBOX360.
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#237 linkthewindow
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Well then, you can go have fun with your "quite popular and beloved" submarine simulator while I play some real games like ALAN WAKE. :lol:ThatGuyFromB4
:roll: You might not like it it, but that doesn't make it any less of a "real game." I hate most action-adventure games, so I guess that means that Uncharted and Alan Wake aren't "real games?"
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#238 skrat_01
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Well then, you can go have fun with your "quite popular and beloved" submarine simulator while I play some real games like ALAN WAKE. :lol:

ThatGuyFromB4

You mean hand held games targeted towards casual core gamers that strictly follow cinema trends and common game design tropes in order to deliver a 'cinematic experience'?

Like the vast majority of games are nowadays.

Well, guess that which was 'hardcore' about gaming still exists on the PC.

By your logic.

Keeping in mind real gamers should know better.

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#239 AnnoyedDragon
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Oh look, PC bashing just happened to pop up in this thread :roll: It wasn't enough that Microsoft had to rob the game from people looking forward to it using their check book, as the developer was clearly targeting PC before Microsoft got involved, fanboys now have to kick these people while they are down by outright attacking the platform.

It's always interesting to watch consolites become egotistical at a time when the weakness of their platforms are glaring. The fact that Microsoft felt the need to artificially restrict the platforms this game is releasing on shows they need more titles to differentiate themselves from Sony. Their lineup is lacking so they rob from PC to help fill out 360s, is this supposed to make the platform look impressive? Yet again having to throw their financial weight around to achieve anything while developers 'choose' to develop for PC?

It's as pathetic as 1st party Sony developers praising the platform they just happen to be owned by, it's artifical and hollow.

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#242 linkthewindow
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]

[QUOTE="ThatGuyFromB4"]

Well then, you can go have fun with your "quite popular and beloved" submarine simulator while I play some real games like ALAN WAKE. :lol:

ThatGuyFromB4

You mean hand held games targeted towards casual core gamers that strictly follow cinema trends and common game design tropes in order to deliver a 'cinematic experience'?

Like the vast majority of games are nowadays.

Well, guess that which was 'hardcore' about gaming still exists on the PC.

By your logic.

Keeping in mind real gamers should know better.

You're so edgy and hardcore, man. :lol: Submarine simulators: HARD to the CORE.

Nah, submarine sims aren't hardcore. Only games with GUNS and BLOOD can be MANLY and HARDCORE, because, I need to prove my MANLINESS all the time. Try playing a submarine sim (or a flight sim,) and then say that they aren't hardcore (using hardcore=niche + not pick up and play.)
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#243 AdrianWerner
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Nah, submarine sims aren't hardcore. Only games with GUNS and BLOOD can be MANLY and HARDCORE, because, I need to prove my MANLINESS all the time. Try playing a submarine sim (or a flight sim,) and then say that they aren't hardcore (using hardcore=niche + not pick up and play.)linkthewindow
One Uboat captain has more manliness in him than the whole crew of Gears of War :)

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#244 Dark_prince123
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so what , console guys don't get S.T.A.L.K.E.R
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#245 visionary
Member since 2002 • 14739 Posts

[QUOTE="visionary"]

Oh come on, Microsoft shares so many titles with the PC and the Xbox 360, not to mention last generation when they ported two versions of there biggest franchise at that time. (This move sucks for alternative gamers but painting MS as the villain for providing the 360 with a little bit of leverage is petty.

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I'm talking about current situation. YOu're clinging to something Microsoft did many years ago. In recent years MS had zero support for PC gaming, Sony had far more. THat's not petty bashing, those are simple facts

I'm not clinging to anything, I'm simply not going to villianize MS for logical business decisions like it's been echoed throughout this thread, just like I didn't villainize Sony for taking away Heavy Rain from the PC. If Sony supports or supported the PC more through its MMO's for the most part (which financially speaks for itself) then the more power to them, they should be praised for such PC gaming love, who cares about all the quality first party titles they've never shared with the PC platform. :roll: It just seems like a lot of people are just plain bitter about this move (looking for an opportunity to cry out about MS's evil ways which is getting tired) or incredibly naive about the current trend that shows the multitude of developers that are choosing to opt for titles that can be easily translatable to both the PC and consoles. MS serves mainly as a publisher, they aren't developers. As far as I know, to date they only had three main PC-centric studios in the past. As for Epic games or third party developers of this type, they still have a choice to release PC ports, yell at them since they aren't owned properties.

ACES Game Studios - Flight Simulator Series
Ensemble Studios - Age of Empires Series
FASA Studio - Mech Warrior Series


Can you tell me why it was financially viable to keep those three developers afloat considering the competition, especially in the strategy market. If there's more then by all means correct me.

Regardless, if MS is considered the bad guys for making such decisions then I can hardly recognize someone that's good in this industry.

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#246 GhoX
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Looking at Alan Wake's history is like watching an old mansion falling to pieces from disrepair. I don't think that game will get much of a reception once it's released anyway.
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#247 AnnoyedDragon
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so what , console guys don't get S.T.A.L.K.E.R Dark_prince123

I love the STALKER games but best not stand by that, all large budget development games have to go cross platform eventually, it's a 3rd party game so nothing is stopping them. I just hope the game doesn't get damaged in some manner as part of the transition.

It would be funny if they stayed true to it, I imagine mainstream gamers complaining because of the lack of babying. A friend of mine gave up an item to someone asking for it with a BS story one time; because he had been trained to do 'nice' things and he would be rewarded for it like in most mainstream games. Of course he raged when he found out this person handed the item in for the mission he was doing, getting the reward, with him never seeing this guy again to get his revenge.

A harsh lesson in reality, the world doesn't revolve around pleasing and rewarding you.

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#249 UnknownSniper65
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[QUOTE="WithoutGraceXII"]Does everyone really play their console from a couch on a big tv? I play both my PC and 360 from the same computer monitor...so it's like the same experience except for the controller.AdmiralBison

I can't speak for everyone but I do.

On a 50 inch 1080p and often on my1080p Projector with 7-1 surround sound.

Spacious couch, friends can just come in and see what I'mplaying and can still play some split screen games.

For me the experience is not the same on a computer.

case in point

I play my Xbox 360 on the same moniter as my PC too :lol:

So unfortunately the experience never changes other than the fact that I might be an extra 2 feet from the screen. I wasn't looking forward to this game anyway the E3 demo didn't look all that great to me.

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#250 visionary
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[QUOTE="visionary"]

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

MS shut down every PC dev they had, the freelance devs, ensemble, the flight sim devs, FASA etc.. it's not just 1 pc dev. MS is all about the 360, they do not care about PC gaming as they actually make very little from it, they want the 360 to become the gaming platform of pc gamers so they can milk us.

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Ok, aside from Ensemble, for the purposes of my own education. Which devs did MS shut down exactly since I keep hearing this without a concrete list, (which directly affected PC gamers), and just for fun tell me if you actually paid and played those titles with the joy I assume you complainers have. If you answer no to any of this, you can understand purely from a business perspective why these developers were shut down o_O.

Since Xbox was announced we've often heard Microsoft reps assuring us PC gamers that they are still committed fully to PC gaming. Maybe we should have been less trustful, but when MS was shipping games like Rise of Nations or Freelancer we really had no reason to expect the worst. Then came the whole Games for Windows initiative. And we were once again assured how much MS is into PC gaming, we were promised a lot, what did we get? Let's see what MS has done with their PC gaming division in the last few years.

  • Moved FASA franchises (Battletech, CrimsonSkies and Shadowrun) to Xbox, when they flopped there MS closed down FASA studios and sold the IPs. Not to mention that they didn't extend the relationships with independent PC developers who worked on those franchises in their PC forms (especially Zipper is a good example, they went in to Playstation 2 where they created the popular SOCOM franchise and eventually got bought by Sony)

    Moved Links and Midtown Madness to Xbox, they flopped there, so Access Software was sold to 2K

    Let go of Digital Anvil teams who worked on PC Conquest: Frontier Wars and Loose Cannon. The remaining team was switched to Xbox to work on BruteForce, it flopped, MS as always closed them down.

    Got rid of Ashersons Call franchise by selling it back to Turbine

    Let Big Hug Games go (despite owning part of it), the company was bought by THQ

    Canceled the MMORPG Mythica

    Closed down ACES studio (responsible for Flight Sim, which was running longer than Windows itself!)

    Canceled MS Train Simulator 2 (it's developed KUJU eventually restarted the project and released it as Rail Simulator through Electronic Arts)

    Got rid of Marvel Online MMORPG, the devs went to Take2 where it became Champions Online

    First switched Ensemble (their most successful PC dev and one that specialized in games that do not work all that well on consoles) to 360 to make Halo Wars and then when the game was almost done they announced the studio will be closed down when the game ships.

    Zoo Tycoon IP is no longer in MS portfolio as the developer Blue Fang has switched publishers to THQ

    They bought PC-centric Lionhead Studios and from that moment there's just sound of crickets when asking about any upcoming PC projects they have.

    Even some ports of console games MS published (namely Jade Empire, Nija Blade and Mass Effect) weren't published by Microsoft, so essentialy the devs had to go behind MS' backs to get their games to pC



Basically since MS announced their newly restored commitment to PC gaming they've systematically been wiping it out, switching whatever they could to Xbox and whatever they couldn't switch they've closed down, sold or just let go.

It's ironic that the company who has a monopoly in OS market, one that is creating tools that every PC developer uses has moved out of PC gaming market. I have troubles thinking of any important publisher who actually has as little support for PC gaming. Yep, even Japanese console-centric publishers like Square Enix, Koei or Tecmo have stronger line-up of PC games than Microsoft does.Heck… Sony has a lot stronger upcoming PC line-up, you can almost taste the irony
PC gamers who are old enough probably still remember Origin, Bullfrog and Westwood, when Electronic Arts closed them down they got a widespread reputation of an "Evil Empire". Well, I think it's safe to say that now we've seen Microsoft climb upon that iron throne, threw the emperor out and put the crown on their own head.

To be fair they did more than just destroy, but even this ended up badly. They've tried to make us PC gamers give up free online gaming on dedicated servers, something we love so much and instead make us pay for playing through P2P, just like 360 users are. Then they tried cross-platform play, which also crashed and burned. Both of those have failed and we can be really thankful for that.
The only project of theirs that somewhat succeeded was the GamesforWindows branding, except in reality all it did was add an ugly bar on top of PC boxes and as it was a campaign aimed at increasing retail sales while looking as NPD's data for sales of retail pc games in US last year it's obvious they've failed at this.

I'm not villanizing MS here, I hate their decisions, but at the same time I know why they did all that. I'm just showing that they do not support PC gaming at all, they just blantantly lie in our face about it

I actually just spotted this post, you've defended your argument well. You can pretty much ignore my other post although my opinions still stand. On another off topic note, it's good to see another Dexter fan. :P