All 3D PS3 games capped at 720p

Sony's official guidelines for 3D gaming on PS3 limit the displayed image to a resolution of 720p, a Sony representative confirmed at the Develop conference this week.

Even games that run natively at 1080p resolution, like Super Stardust HD, are downscaled in 3D mode to two 720p images (one for each eye), Sony's Simon Benson explained during a demo of the technology at the conference. While the PS3 is capable of displaying a 1080p 3D image -- indeed, it will support 3D Blu-Ray movies at that resolution later this year -- Benson said upping the resolution comes at the expense of the silky-smooth 60 frames per second available at 720p (Blu-Ray movies run at 24 frames per second). Benson said that a "more cinematic game" might be well-suited for the lower frame rate and higher resolution, but that Sony's current guidelines for 3D games wouldn't allow for such a setting.

The effects of this policy are probably unnoticeable to most gamers. Benson said that, in 3D, even trained computer graphics artists could barely tell the difference between the resolutions. Still, for all you pixel counters out there who obsess over "full HD 1080p," here's another bit of technical trivia for you to argue over.

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>>; I still game in 480p...so this doesn't really matter to me...not that I'm hyped about all this 3D crap in the first place.

The PS3 isn't as powerful as I thought it was after all...

The PS3 isn't as powerful as I thought it was after all...

mitu123

AC1(what happened with AC2?), UC2, KZ2 andCrysis shows that games can look great in 720p.

.[QUOTE="mitu123"]

The PS3 isn't as powerful as I thought it was after all...

SilverChimera

for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"].[QUOTE="mitu123"]

The PS3 isn't as powerful as I thought it was after all...

mitu123

for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

BTBAM127

for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

BTBAM127

[QUOTE="BTBAM127"]

for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

killab2oo5

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"] The Cell is surely more powerful than you thought it was :| :PSilverChimera

AC1(what happened with AC2?), UC2, KZ2 andCrysis shows that games can look great in 720p.

Ensamheten

That'll be amazing, and I bet it can, since 360 upscales to 1080p better than PS3 anyways.;)

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"] That'll be amazing, and I bet it can, since 360 upscales to 1080p better than PS3 anyways.;)

SilverChimera

[QUOTE="BTBAM127"]

for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

killab2oo5

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="BTBAM127"]

for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

mysterj

So Gran Turismo 5 in 3D is only 720p???????????????????????????????

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erglesmergle

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"].[QUOTE="mitu123"] [QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"].[QUOTE="mitu123"]

The PS3 isn't as powerful as I thought it was after all...

mitu123

and this is a surprise because? Vast majority of the current 2d games are rendered at 720p with no or 2-4xAA and sometimes even lower than 720p and most of the times at 30fps. Did anyone expected 3d games on PS3 to be at 1080p? I will be surprised if they can pull of something like killzone 3 at 720p 30fps in 3D and still image guality looks almost as good as the 2dadamosmaki

Not that surprising, you need an i7 computer running two GTX 480s in SLI to get reliable 1080p 3D Vision gaming (and even then, the more demanding games like Metro 2033 would be lucky to reach 30 fps). Most PS3 games natively run at 720p or lower anyway, so it'd be a pipedream to hope for 3D 1080p for any non-PSN game. There's always something to look forward to next generation.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"] The Cell is surely more powerful than you thought it was :| :PKokuro_Kun

[QUOTE="mysterj"][QUOTE="killab2oo5"] PC? Nvidia supports 3D.abuabed

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="SilverChimera"] The Cell is surely more powerful than you thought it was :| :PKokuro_Kun

CELL? Powerfull?

Sony(SCEA)'sstudypaper on "Deferred Pixel Shading on the Playstation 3" and comparative performance to Geforce 7800 GTX. Can be found from http://research.scea.com/ps3_deferred_shading.pdf

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D. Comparison to GeForce 7800 GTX GPU

We implemented the same algorithm on a high end state of
the art GPU, the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX running in a
Linux workstation. This GPU has 24 fragment shader
pipelines running at 430 Mhz and processes 24 fragments
in parallel. By comparison the 5 SPEs that we used process
20 pixels in parallel in quad-SIMD form.

The GeForce required 11.1 ms to complete the shading
operation. In comparison the Cell/B.E. required 11.65 ms
including the DMA waiting time

From Sony's own words, 5 SPEs(with DMA) is roughly equal to Geforce 7800 GTX

[QUOTE="Kokuro_Kun"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] It can't do 3D in 1080p.:lol:(I get what you're saying though.:P)

ronvalencia

CELL? Powerfull?

Sony(SCEA)'sstudypaper on "Deferred Pixel Shading on the Playstation 3" and comparative performance to Geforce 7800 GTX. Can be found from http://research.scea.com/ps3_deferred_shading.pdf

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D. Comparison to GeForce 7800 GTX GPU

We implemented the same algorithm on a high end state of
the art GPU, the NVIDIA GeForce 7800 GTX running in a
Linux workstation. This GPU has 24 fragment shader
pipelines running at 430 Mhz and processes 24 fragments
in parallel. By comparison the 5 SPEs that we used process
20 pixels in parallel in quad-SIMD form.

The GeForce required 11.1 ms to complete the shading
operation. In comparison the Cell/B.E. required 11.65 ms
including the DMA waiting time

From Sony's own words, 5 SPEs(with DMA) is roughly equal to Geforce 7800 GTX

[QUOTE="killab2oo5"][QUOTE="BTBAM127"]

for all the people who care that much about being only 720p they can just go play another system in 3d then.......oh wait there isnt any other one.

mysterj

I guess this is a great news, that means the PS3 can do 3D without any resolution compromisation as we thought. Most PS3 games run at 720p anyway.

I remember when 3D was announced the first time, most of us thought the HD quality is done for good and the 3D games will all be sub HD.

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]and this is a surprise because? Vast majority of the current 2d games are rendered at 720p with no or 2-4xAA and sometimes even lower than 720p and most of the times at 30fps. Did anyone expected 3d games on PS3 to be at 1080p? I will be surprised if they can pull of something like killzone 3 at 720p 30fps in 3D and still image guality looks almost as good as the 2dmitu123

I didn't hear anyone on SW that was saing about 1080p 3D on PS3, most of PS3 games running nativly on 720p so i don't see point of expecting 1080p

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"]and this is a surprise because? Vast majority of the current 2d games are rendered at 720p with no or 2-4xAA and sometimes even lower than 720p and most of the times at 30fps. Did anyone expected 3d games on PS3 to be at 1080p? I will be surprised if they can pull of something like killzone 3 at 720p 30fps in 3D and still image guality looks almost as good as the 2dShadowriverUB

I didn't hear anyone on SW that was saing about 1080p 3D on PS3

[QUOTE="ShadowriverUB"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"] I'm sure someone did(fanboys in particular)...

mitu123

I didn't hear anyone on SW that was saing about 1080p 3D on PS3

For a specific operation :roll: You can't really compare CPUs and GPUs, few weeks ago Intel also confirmed their CPU is only 1/14 of processing power of an Nvidia GPU on a specific task.

mysterj

I don't care because I'm not going 3D anytime soon.abuabed

[QUOTE="mysterj"]

For a specific operation :roll: You can't really compare CPUs and GPUs, few weeks ago Intel also confirmed their CPU is only 1/14 of processing power of an Nvidia GPU on a specific task.

ronvalencia

umm... is 720p bad now? :?

3d gaming in general has limitations no matter what your gaming on, for ps3 itll be limited to 720p, and im pretty sure that for pc gaming in 3d the fps is capped at 60, i could be wrong but im pretty sure i read that somewhere

I don't care because I'm not going 3D anytime soon.abuabed

That limit might be not caused by CPU or even GPU, it might be bandwith limit of HDMI chipset inside PS3 :> it's HDMI 1.3 that was not made for 3D

That limit might be not caused by CPU or even GPU, it might be bandwith limit of HDMI chipset inside PS3 :> it's HDMI 1.3 that was not made for 3D

ShadowriverUB

Most games are not higher than 720p anyway

I think it's because the Tv's can only produce 1080p Images, and for 3D it needs to produce 2 images, so 2x 720 = 1080.

Plus the processing power of the PS3 can only do 1080p I think, so again 2x 720p = 1080...

But I honestly have no idea, I think that's why its capped @ 720, but you'd have to ask somebody who knows this subject better than I do.

Now what I want to know is say a 3D enabled game (like Wipeout HD) which was @ 1080p is now 720 for the 3D images, if you turn it off can it go back to being non 3D and be 1080p??

Sony lying again, all the games run at 1280x720 and some times at 1024x600. So in 3D, games will run with resolution lower than 1280x720.

almost all games are 720P anyway, so who cares? Is this more like a maximum potential, but many will be lower such as 480P? There are maybe 3 games that are actually 1080P.