An End the Crappy Wii graphics debates.

[QUOTE="darth-pyschosis"]

someone else posted this link, so thank you. I felt it deserved its own thread.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=68776

go read it and shut up people.

AvIdGaMeR444

I think everyone on this forum knows that Wii's hardware is more powerful than Xbox, GC, PS2...What still remains to be seen is a Wii game that has better graphics than the most graphically intense Xbox games...Until I see a game that is better, I will keep on bashing Wii's graphics

Or maybe you could just...not bash it? Just...leave it alone?

again ive said it before and ill say it agian

The Wii wont prove its graphics to me unless it gets a 3rd party game that looks better than Riddik or Ninja Gaiden

[QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="flamingschmoes2"]I saw that crappy link before, and all the guy does is point at other systems and goes, "See, if they can do it, Wii can do it!" Just show me the Wii games or you be quiet before you tell me to shut up. It's March 2007 and this is what Wii is doing: flamingschmoes2

So are you saying that, that is the best screenshot for any game on the Wii that displays it's graphical abilities? I won't beable to find anything better than that no matter how long I searched? Since what you said was "this is what the Wii is doing".

So that must be the peak of the Wii as far as we know...according to you. Tell me, yes or no, and we'll see if your right.

Listen up, buddy.

back in December or so, when the ugly Splinter Cell Wii pics came out, all the sheep kept telling me, "Just wait, the Wii is going to improve tremendously blah blah blah. it has untapped power, wait until devs figure it out..."

Okay, that Shrek 3 game is coming out in May, plenty of development time, and look how gross it looks. Now what's the excuse?

1) "Bu-bu-but it was ported over from PS2 version!" (Well, that proves the Wii is too weak, otherwise they'd port it from the Xbox 360 version, which doesn't look the best, but a lot better than that Wii pic.) In fact, there are no Wii games ported from any Xbox 360 or PS3 game. That should tell you something.

2) "Bu-bu-but Third-party games don't represent the system's potential!!" Third-party determines the survival of a system. If you write off third-parties, you might as well write off the system entirely. Look at Gamecube for example of poor third-party support and abandonment.

you don't get it do you?

its a movie game! when have you ever seen a game from a movie astound people in looks? when? there are good movie games gameplay wise but alot of the looks seem hacked on. afterall people play movie games for the movie. they don't expect good graphics so why would they work on those. fact remains, that was a stupid pic. and if you were man enough you'd look at the Super Mario Galaxy pics, realize that that game runs at 60 fps and is only the beginning. If that looks that good and only uses maybe a quarter to a third of the Wii's capabilities then everything else after that will look great.

and since when was splinter cell been about graphics? does sam fisher take out terrorists better in HD, or does it not even matter?

 

Listen up, buddy.

back in December or so, when the ugly Splinter Cell Wii pics came out, all the sheep kept telling me, "Just wait, the Wii is going to improve tremendously blah blah blah. it has untapped power, wait until devs figure it out..."

Okay, that Shrek 3 game is coming out in May, plenty of development time, and look how gross it looks. Now what's the excuse?

1) "Bu-bu-but it was ported over from PS2 version!" (Well, that proves the Wii is too weak, otherwise they'd port it from the Xbox 360 version, which doesn't look the best, but a lot better than that Wii pic.) In fact, there are no Wii games ported from any Xbox 360 or PS3 game. That should tell you something.

2) "Bu-bu-but Third-party games don't represent the system's potential!!" Third-party determines the survival of a system. If you write off third-parties, you might as well write off the system entirely. Look at Gamecube for example of poor third-party support and abandonment.

flamingschmoes2

It's just that your using Shrek 3...Shrek 3!

Even if the game looked like gears...the game is going to suck. I wouldn't have as much of a problem if you wouldn't have used such a bad game. I mean...it's like using cars...or ice age...or any other licenced movie tv show to game.

Look at Sonic and the Secret Rings...some where in this topic someone posted picutures. That goes with the statement of waiting a bit after lauch. The game looks way better than Splinter Cell Wii.

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Listen up, buddy.

back in December or so, when the ugly Splinter Cell Wii pics came out, all the sheep kept telling me, "Just wait, the Wii is going to improve tremendously blah blah blah. it has untapped power, wait until devs figure it out..."

Okay, that Shrek 3 game is coming out in May, plenty of development time, and look how gross it looks. Now what's the excuse?

1) "Bu-bu-but it was ported over from PS2 version!" (Well, that proves the Wii is too weak, otherwise they'd port it from the Xbox 360 version, which doesn't look the best, but a lot better than that Wii pic.) In fact, there are no Wii games ported from any Xbox 360 or PS3 game. That should tell you something.

2) "Bu-bu-but Third-party games don't represent the system's potential!!" Third-party determines the survival of a system. If you write off third-parties, you might as well write off the system entirely. Look at Gamecube for example of poor third-party support and abandonment.

you don't get it do you?

its a movie game! when have you ever seen a game from a movie astound people in looks? when? there are good movie games gameplay wise but alot of the looks seem hacked on. afterall people play movie games for the movie. they don't expect good graphics so why would they work on those. fact remains, that was a stupid pic. and if you were man enough you'd look at the Super Mario Galaxy pics, realize that that game runs at 60 fps and is only the beginning. If that looks that good and only uses maybe a quarter to a third of the Wii's capabilities then everything else after that will look great.

and since when was splinter cell been about graphics? does sam fisher take out terrorists better in HD, or does it not even matter?

this post is pretty useless... all the guy even said was "well since Rouge Squadron did this in the Gamecube then why can't the wii". Exactly a vast majority of the games for Wii looks like crap cause it couldn't even hold a candle to many games from last gen. Man I just hate the "lazy devs" excuse, hey if Wii fanboys could care less about graphics then youll get bad graphics!

If I wanted amazing graphics I'd go play outside.  I'm tired of "Woah, it looks just like real life! :o"... We sit here debating on how video games is making things you don't do everyday as immersive as real life and it's just stupid.

All Wii needs to be my faveorite system is to have a game starring Zidane Tribal of FFIX ^.^

justdog11

this post is pretty useless... all the guy even said was "well since Rouge Squadron did this in the Gamecube then why can't the wii". Exactly a vast majority of the games for Wii looks like crap cause it couldn't even hold a candle to many games from last gen. Man I just hate the "lazy devs" excuse, hey if Wii fanboys could care less about graphics then youll get bad graphics!

mylastduchess

If I wanted amazing graphics I'd go play outside. I'm tired of "Woah, it looks just like real life! :o"... We sit here debating on how video games is making things you don't do everyday as immersive as real life and it's just stupid.

All Wii needs to be my faveorite system is to have a game starring Zidane Tribal of FFIX ^.^

justdog11

[QUOTE="mylastduchess"]

this post is pretty useless... all the guy even said was "well since Rouge Squadron did this in the Gamecube then why can't the wii". Exactly a vast majority of the games for Wii looks like crap cause it couldn't even hold a candle to many games from last gen. Man I just hate the "lazy devs" excuse, hey if Wii fanboys could care less about graphics then youll get bad graphics!

Shadow_op

No, that can't be right...

...it makes perfect sense.

[QUOTE="mylastduchess"]

this post is pretty useless... all the guy even said was "well since Rouge Squadron did this in the Gamecube then why can't the wii". Exactly a vast majority of the games for Wii looks like crap cause it couldn't even hold a candle to many games from last gen. Man I just hate the "lazy devs" excuse, hey if Wii fanboys could care less about graphics then youll get bad graphics!

Shadow_op

If I wanted amazing graphics I'd go play outside. I'm tired of "Woah, it looks just like real life! :o"... We sit here debating on how video games is making things you don't do everyday as immersive as real life and it's just stupid.

All Wii needs to be my faveorite system is to have a game starring Zidane Tribal of FFIX ^.^

justdog11

I have yet to meet the fan that is happy WITH ONLY A WII, this generation.

The Wii is a great Compliment system, but a terrible ONLY choice.

XTy

[QUOTE="justdog11"]

If I wanted amazing graphics I'd go play outside. I'm tired of "Woah, it looks just like real life! :o"... We sit here debating on how video games is making things you don't do everyday as immersive as real life and it's just stupid.

All Wii needs to be my faveorite system is to have a game starring Zidane Tribal of FFIX ^.^

Grodus5

You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.Grodus5

someone else posted this link, so thank you. I felt it deserved its own thread.

http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=68776

go read it and shut up people.

darth-pyschosis

[QUOTE="justdog11"]

If I wanted amazing graphics I'd go play outside. I'm tired of "Woah, it looks just like real life! :o"... We sit here debating on how video games is making things you don't do everyday as immersive as real life and it's just stupid.

All Wii needs to be my faveorite system is to have a game starring Zidane Tribal of FFIX ^.^

Tjeremiah1988

Well, the proof is in the pudding.  When the wii stops making games look like wing island, mabye i'll believe that guy.agentfred

 You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.Grodus5

[QUOTE="agentfred"]Well, the proof is in the pudding.  When the wii stops making games look like wing island, mabye i'll believe that guy.linkhero1

Yeah, didn't you hear, the Wii makes it's own games. Also if you've beaten elebits 8 times, and you stand next to your wii with no pants on, it wipes your @**.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.poopinloop32

Listen up, buddy.

back in December or so, when the ugly Splinter Cell Wii pics came out, all the sheep kept telling me, "Just wait, the Wii is going to improve tremendously blah blah blah. it has untapped power, wait until devs figure it out..."

Okay, that Shrek 3 game is coming out in May, plenty of development time, and look how gross it looks. Now what's the excuse?

1) "Bu-bu-but it was ported over from PS2 version!" (Well, that proves the Wii is too weak, otherwise they'd port it from the Xbox 360 version, which doesn't look the best, but a lot better than that Wii pic.) In fact, there are no Wii games ported from any Xbox 360 or PS3 game. That should tell you something.

2) "Bu-bu-but Third-party games don't represent the system's potential!!" Third-party determines the survival of a system. If you write off third-parties, you might as well write off the system entirely. Look at Gamecube for example of poor third-party support and abandonment.

flamingschmoes2

1. I was able to debunk this with a picture of Splinter Cell 1 on the GC which look better than Splinter Cell on the Wii. Give thanks to developers for not using the Wii's Final Dev kit to develope the game, but used the modifed GC dev kit to devlop the game....

2. Early shots of the game. Don't make me pull up the early build screenshots for Hellboy on PS3 and 360.

3.If developers choose not to build a game ground up for the Wii, then it's their fault. Sega was able to do it with sonic and they had great results. So others developers should be able to do the same.....

4. I seriously don't know where you heard that at, but it's third and second parties like Retro and Sega that truly tapped the power of the Wii with the time they had. The reason for the GC not having alot of third party support is because of lack of system sells, and no one bought their games on the system. But it seem that their game are finally selling on the Wii though, so it woulld be wise to look forward to a impressive third party support through out the Wii's life-span......

[QUOTE="linkhero1"][QUOTE="agentfred"]Well, the proof is in the pudding.  When the wii stops making games look like wing island, mabye i'll believe that guy.88Ghost89

Yeah, didn't you hear, the Wii makes it's own games. Also if you've beaten elebits 8 times, and you stand next to your wii with no pants on, it wipes your @**.

[QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.poopinloop32

If there were no shadows, I wouldn't be able to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.88Ghost89

If there were no shadows, I wouldn't be able to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.88Ghost89

If there were no shadows, I wouldn't be able to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.Sooshy

[QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.drunken_end

If there were no shadows, I wouldn't be able to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

If there were no darker textures, I wouldn't be ble to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

[QUOTE="drunken_end"][QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.88Ghost89

If there were no shadows, I wouldn't be able to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

If there were no darker textures, I wouldn't be ble to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

[QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.drunken_end

If there were no shadows, I wouldn't be able to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

[QUOTE="88Ghost89"][QUOTE="drunken_end"][QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="poopinloop32"][QUOTE="Grodus5"] You can't look at this picture and say the Wii's graphics stink.poopinloop32

If there were no shadows, I wouldn't be able to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

If there were no darker textures, I wouldn't be ble to see the shapely figure of Fox's butt.

do you know what a shadow is?poopinloop32

I know what they are...I was joking. And there are shadows in the game.

Why do Wii games look like they do? It's not for lack of hardware. I think it stems back to the previous generation of consoles, and that most developers were putting their money on Sony's cash cow. You go where the money is. Sony, for better or worse, decisively won last generation, and all the talented developers were working on making the most of PS2's outdated hardware. They did some amazing things, don't you think?

I get the impression that the industry wasn't expecting Nintendo to take off like it did. Only the smart ones saw the direction the Wii was going and decided to step on board early, smarts ones like Ubisoft. Say what you will about them, but at this point they seem to be the Wii's biggest third party supporter. What didn't help the early games was that they were developed on modified Gamecubes. These development units, I believe, DID NOT have the benefit of the Wii's additional (and faster) RAM, more efficient and 1.5x as fast processor (with 40 new instructions added), and faster GPU (with an updated TEV unit, Nintendo's version of shaders that, when programmed correctly, are better than traditional shaders).

Well, right now Nintendo is hot property. Developers that may have been skeptical before are probably going to get on the bandwagon. What's more, it is significantly cheaper to develop for the Wii, so publishers should see a return on investment much sooner, not including the fact that at this point the Wii has a larger userbase than the PS3 and is on pace to out-perform the 360 in sales in its first calendar year. You would be crazy to not develop games for the Wii. If this third party support happens, you will begin to see some awesome looking games. Many developers from the last generation never really took advantage of the Gamecube, never really tried to push it, so why would you expect them to get it right with the Wii unless they see a monetary reason? There is going to be a learning curve since they didn't get it right the first time. Remember... A game is only as good as the people programming it.

In any case, this generation of consoles, as a whole, is pretty amazing. Last generation was pretty amazing too. I think we're all going to be pleasantly surprised, no matter what platform we prefer. :)

In those SSB pics the characters look like they are blended in with the background. No blurring effect to give the impression of distance, no shadows to define the character. It's flat and boring to the max, maybe those graphics were great a few years ago, but not today if you really played today's games.

Now I'm not saying Kameo is the greatest looking game ever, but for a launch game, it's closer to what I like in graphics. Splendid definition and shadows and reflections, and they don't blend into the background in a muddy wash like a lot of Wii games. And in the Lost Planet pic, i like how the character has slight blur to him, to give the realistic impression of distance and focus. Has a Wii game done this? I saw some in pokemon, but that game is like one big cutscene, one can't really judge.flamingschmoes2

This was never a graphical debate with Wii vs 360...

I don't ever see the point of ever having them anyway. Because for every game there is another one that looks ten times better. All of those screens you posted can't compare to crisis. Just like your saying SSBB can't compare to these, well there are more steps higher than them.

I'm not even arguing with you, i'm just defending the fact that the Wii has it's specs, and the 360 has it's specs. Wii can't do what you posted...so...what do you want? It excels in other ways. And those other ways are more important to me.

*same old BS ingame photo taken from a HDTV* flamingschmoes2

you know, I could just take a photo of one of my PC games from last gen and I bet that looks better then Kameo.:roll:

If I wanted amazing graphics I'd go play outside.justdog11

:lol: since when does opinion = fact sheep ? 

Wii's graphics = **** period, there is nothing you can say or do, that is gonna change peoples minds, the wii's graphics SUCK end of story, and end of thread.

Who cares if they are "slightly" better than GC or Xbox graphics, that still don't mean squat when you compare multi plat games, and the Wii version makes you want to vomit.  Not to mention a game that looks as "Meh" as this one and it has frame rate issues : http://www.gamespot.com/wii/sports/ssxblur/review.html?sid=6166500&tag=topslot;title;1 Gamespot quote "occasional animation hitches, frame-rate issues." :lol:  

And go ahead.... blame it on the Devs all you want, but you don't see this crap happening on the PS3 and the Xbox 360 do you ? Why you ask ? cause plain and simply because of Nintendo's attitude towards gameing, and there blatent " we want non gamers to play games " buisness model, dev's know that they can make anything and make it look as good as a PS1 game and they will get away with it.  Why on earth spend actually development time on a game that you know your just putting out to a sucker audiance that will slurp it up cause the next Nintendo game is like 6-8 months away, and the Wii owners will have no choice.

It was the same thing with the GC, so prepare for more crap 3rd party games with crap graphics, and 1st party games that look "meh" compared to next gen games, and expect 1 of them every 6-8 months.  Soooo freaking glad I sold my Wii.

[QUOTE="88Ghost89"]

[QUOTE="flamingschmoes2"] In those SSB pics the characters look like they are blended in with the background. No blurring effect to give the impression of distance, no shadows to define the character. It's flat and boring to the max, maybe those graphics were great a few years ago, but not today if you really played today's games.

Now I'm not saying Kameo is the greatest looking game ever, but for a launch game, it's closer to what I like in graphics. Splendid definition and shadows and reflections, and they don't blend into the background in a muddy wash like a lot of Wii games. And in the Lost Planet pic, i like how the character has slight blur to him, to give the realistic impression of distance and focus. Has a Wii game done this? I saw some in pokemon, but that game is like one big cutscene, one can't really judge.flamingschmoes2

This was never a graphical debate with Wii vs 360...

I don't ever see the point of ever having them anyway. Because for every game there is another one that looks ten times better. All of those screens you posted can't compare to crisis. Just like your saying SSBB can't compare to these, well there are more steps higher than them.

I'm not even arguing with you, i'm just defending the fact that the Wii has it's specs, and the 360 has it's specs. Wii can't do what you posted...so...what do you want? It excels in other ways. And those other ways are more important to me.

I know what todays standards are, just cause I'm a 'sheep' dosn't mean I haven't played Gears, Oblivion, COD3 ect..

But the graphics don't make the game and everything has standards. I've developed a standard myself. Rumble is a standard. Maybe you don't share these standards but a pointer is standard for me, so is a speaker in the remote. Having the controller rumble when I slide the cursor over a clickable button, is standard to me, and when I play games that don't have it, I miss it. I can't stand SSX OnTour anymore because of the trick stick. Same goes with racers.

SSBB looks good, in the sense that it doesn't take anything away. I get the vibe from alot of people here that they can't play a game that doesn't have all the pixel shader reflexction shader crystal hi def stuff you were talking about.

Do you like SSB? Cause me and my friends still play melee and it hasn't become inplayable.