Anyone thought PS3 would still be in last place 6 years into this gen.

btw, lulz at tc making a mostly harmless little "wow ps3 still last is shocking" (in which he is correct because it is shocking) kind of thread and people frothing at the mouth over it.

geeze how bitter are some of you?

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

i have liked so many last place consoles that i don't really see what difference it makes.

bez2083

I have yet for a guy to come over an award my PS2 it's gold medal and my regular XBox with it's bronze medal from last gen. Where's my medals dammit?!:evil:

btw, lulz at tc making a mostly harmless little "wow ps3 still last is shocking" (in which he is correct because it is shocking) kind of thread and people frothing at the mouth over it.

geeze how bitter are some of you?

Riverwolf007

"Anyone thought PS3 would still be in last place 6 years into this gen?"

Yes. I did. I've said it often and I will repeat it here; Even if the PS3 passes the 360 in sales tomorrow, it's already too late. The damage is done. Better luck next gen.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

btw, lulz at tc making a mostly harmless little "wow ps3 still last is shocking" (in which he is correct because it is shocking) kind of thread and people frothing at the mouth over it.

geeze how bitter are some of you?

spookykid143

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

btw, lulz at tc making a mostly harmless little "wow ps3 still last is shocking" (in which he is correct because it is shocking) kind of thread and people frothing at the mouth over it.

geeze how bitter are some of you?

spookykid143

The PS3 isn't 6 years old but this gen almost is. Which is what the title of this thread almost correctly states.

heretrix

This is surprising to me. I never thought this would happen but Sony has not done well this gen compared with previous generations.

They lost all the money they made on the PS2 on the PS3. They did? Links? Proof?

PS3 is hacked and will likely be exploited. Just like the PC, Xbox, Wii, and every other gaming device....

PSN is not profitable. Its not? Says who?

What can Sony do to change things around. Sony doesn't need to change anything according to your flawed logic.

jimmypsn

[QUOTE="heretrix"]The PS3 isn't 6 years old but this gen almost is. Which is what the title of this thread almost correctly states.

shinrabanshou

A lot of people were predicting PS3 was going to sell as well as the gamecube and that Sony would have to pull out of the console race. It is now apparent that their death was largely exaggerated.

lol at cows having epileptic fits over this thread.

from a business standpoint, and from Soný's standpoint, they lost big time. They failed. You can argue quality games all you want. but this thread is not about you or how many games you get to play (quit being so self absorbed). and believe it or not but it does matter how well sony performs in the sales department, despite what you fools in denial want to believe.

and by the way, this is system wars, not exclusives wars, meaning we argue every facet of the system wars, so dont even try to bring that 'i get to play quality games and thats all that matters' bs up in here. because as i said before, sales DO matter.

FatCatPatRat

Wow! Come at him, bro!!

lol at cows having epileptic fits over this thread.

from a business standpoint, and from Soný's standpoint, they lost big time. They failed. You can argue quality games all you want. but this thread is not about you or how many games you get to play (quit being so self absorbed). and believe it or not but it does matter how well sony performs in the sales department, despite what you fools in denial want to believe.

and by the way, this is system wars, not exclusives wars, meaning we argue every facet of the system wars, so dont even try to bring that 'i get to play quality games and thats all that matters' bs up in here. because as i said before, sales DO matter.

FatCatPatRat

No they didn't. The PS3 recently turned profitable and with it's selling points and lineup this year it's only going up. Take into consideration this generation isn't even over yet and they haven't failed. Sony didn't have the behemoth sales that the PS2 generated, sure, but the PS3 hasn't taken the ridiculous beating the Gamecube took last generation (I exclude the Xbox because it was Microsoft's first foray into the business and as a new console it did fine, but Nintendo was struggling). So again, they didn't generate the revenue the PS2 did but none of the big 3 have failed this generation. In fact, competition is so close all these arguments are pretty much straight nitpicking. It isn't like last generation, not by a long shot.

lol at cows having epileptic fits over this thread.

from a business standpoint, and from Soný's standpoint, they lost big time. They failed. You can argue quality games all you want. but this thread is not about you or how many games you get to play (quit being so self absorbed). and believe it or not but it does matter how well sony performs in the sales department, despite what you fools in denial want to believe.

and by the way, this is system wars, not exclusives wars, meaning we argue every facet of the system wars, so dont even try to bring that 'i get to play quality games and thats all that matters' bs up in here. because as i said before, sales DO matter.

FatCatPatRat

Ironically, your post is the most self-absorbed drivel in this entire thread.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

At nearly 50 million sold, I think Sony is just fine with "last place"

jimmypsn

nearly all of them were sold at a profit loss from what I understand. It was only the end of last year where they started becoming profitable on hardware.

The only console that sold to a profit, this gen, is the Wii at $6 a console. Sony/Microsoft make money on games. Not the sales of their consoles.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

At nearly 50 million sold, I think Sony is just fine with "last place"

TheMoreYouOwn

nearly all of them were sold at a profit loss from what I understand. It was only the end of last year where they started becoming profitable on hardware.

The only console that sold to a profit, this gen, is the Wii at $6 a console. Sony/Microsoft make money on games. Not the sales of their consoles.

Yeah, it's in last place, but I don't really see the problem with that. There are still more games for it than I have time to play and a solid lineup of exclusive for the next year. It's not even like it's getting absolutely clobbered in sales like the original Xbox and Gamecube did.

[QUOTE="jimmypsn"]

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

At nearly 50 million sold, I think Sony is just fine with "last place"

TheMoreYouOwn

nearly all of them were sold at a profit loss from what I understand. It was only the end of last year where they started becoming profitable on hardware.

The only console that sold to a profit, this gen, is the Wii at $6 a console. Sony/Microsoft make money on games. Not the sales of their consoles.

No, all of the consoles are turning a profit as we speak. Probably 2 or 3 bucks per unit, but no one is selling at a loss.

lol at cows having epileptic fits over this thread.

from a business standpoint, and from Soný's standpoint, they lost big time. They failed. You can argue quality games all you want. but this thread is not about you or how many games you get to play (quit being so self absorbed). and believe it or not but it does matter how well sony performs in the sales department, despite what you fools in denial want to believe.

and by the way, this is system wars, not exclusives wars, meaning we argue every facet of the system wars, so dont even try to bring that 'i get to play quality games and thats all that matters' bs up in here. because as i said before, sales DO matter.

FatCatPatRat

You should follow your own advice.....

No, I don't think anyone would have predicted it after the PS2 last gen. Still even though "cows" are my least favorite sect of the SW community and I find them extremely ignorant and obnoxious I still want Sony to do well as they are a great gaming company that produces many great games and the more competition the better!

Yet ps3 gamers seem to be happy than ever, go figuere.

edo-tensei

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="kuraimen"]Charge for online, start releasing casual crap and destroy their first party I guess. In other words contribute their share to destroy console gaming since that's apparently what "gamers" like.Game-fu

Release a 600 dollar system, Act like every one whorships them and will buy a system no matter what, start removing things in a mad dash to bring down the price of the system, have no more A,AA,AAA then their competitors, maintain 3rd place throughout the generation, Continue to make little to no profit year after year compared to their competitors in the video game arena.

And the 360?

Release a $500 system. KNOW that everyone worships them and will buy a system and allow you to price gouge them into eternity. %30/40 system failure rates across the board for the first two years. Blow your software load in the first 3 years and leave your community with tired sequels and rehashes with nothing original or inspired in-sight. Continue to make profit year after year by charging $15 dollars for map packs and becoming the most stagnant piece of washed-up technology on the planet.

lets see 600 dollarpricetag,arragant attitudeandterrible marketing.

wii 250 dollars pathetic hardware weak third party support with massive shovelware

xbox 360 extremely faulty hardware only 4 major first party titles paid online that keeps getting more expensive and overpriced accessories

honestly the 360 should have failed from my point of view but in the end the beginning was horrible for sony i remember that you could get a wii if you could find one and a 360 for the same price as the ps3

This is surprising to me. I never thought this would happen but Sony has not done well this gen compared with previous generations.

They lost all the money they made on the PS2 on the PS3.

PS3 is hacked and will likely be exploited.

PSN is not profitable.

What can Sony do to change things around.

jimmypsn

-No they havent lost all money made on the PS2 and overall the PS3 has made money for Sony as of last year.

- Second you need math lessons the PS3 hasn't been out for 6 years its been out for a little over 4. It came out in November 06 meaning it wont reach its 5 year anniversary untill November 2011.

-The 360 and the wii were hacked at the begninning of the generation at least it took them 4 years to get the PS3.

-PSN may not be as profitable as Xbox live but its another reason why I like Sony , at least they dont force you to pay to play online

ps3 failed at what it was supposed to do...anybody who buys a ps3 probably failed in some way in their life as well..

they are either poor or not smart..

this isnt meant to be insulting.. just what i believe. i apologize.

KBFloYd

Yeah right, so those who decided to spend an extra $100 on the ps3 during launch are the 'poorer' gamers. Whyelsedid you thinkpeople jumped over to the 360if it wasn't for the 'poorer' gamers who wanted to save $100 on the 360. The ps3 may have failed Sony. It didn't fail gamers, because as it seems now, the ps3 has more exclusives than the 360. All the 360 has going for itself is GeoW and Halo. And GeoW isn't as good as it was back then in 2006 anymore.

-No they havent lost all money made on the PS2 Wrong (link). and overall the PS3 has made money for Sony as of last year. Right.

- Second you need math lessons the PS3 hasn't been out for 6 years its been out for a little over 4. It came out in November 06 meaning it wont reach its 5 year anniversary untill November 2011. Right.But technically, he's means this gen. which will have started 6 years ago, this Nov.

-The 360 and the wii were hacked at the begninning of the generation at least it took them 4 years to get the PS3. Right

-PSN may not be as profitable as Xbox live but its another reason why I like Sony , at least they dont force you to pay to play online. Subjective.

TheSterls

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

-No they havent lost all money made on the PS2 Wrong (link). and overall the PS3 has made money for Sony as of last year. Right.

- Second you need math lessons the PS3 hasn't been out for 6 years its been out for a little over 4. It came out in November 06 meaning it wont reach its 5 year anniversary untill November 2011. Right.But technically, he's means this gen. which will have started 6 years ago, this Nov.

-The 360 and the wii were hacked at the begninning of the generation at least it took them 4 years to get the PS3. Right

-PSN may not be as profitable as Xbox live but its another reason why I like Sony , at least they dont force you to pay to play online. Subjective.

bez2083

Actually im still right , it states Sony has lostthe money of of the PS2 sales it made in its 5 PRIME years . but keep in mid the PS2 sold for nearly 8 years . Also why does it matter now that Sony is yet again making money on its gaming division as of last year. And how is not forcing you to pay to play online subjective? Thats a fact .

The PS3 is close to passing up 50 million console sales which will put it in the top 6 systems sold all time passing up the SNES's 49 million. It will easily sell over 70 million by the end of this generation putting it in the top 5 consoles sold all time passing up the NES.

The rest of the top 5 will also include 360, Wii, PS1, and PS2. All 3 systems from this generation will be in the top 5 sold all time.

NOBODY lost this generation.

People constantly throw out the fact that it will probably never surpass the PS2 in sales. To put this in perspective the NES nearly sold 70 million units while the SNES sold under 50 million. How many people consider the SNES a failure? The N64 sold even less than the SNES. How many people consider the N64 a failure? Some people consider the SNES the best console released, while the N64 has some of the highest rated games of all time on it.

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

-No they havent lost all money made on the PS2 Wrong (link). and overall the PS3 has made money for Sony as of last year. Right.

- Second you need math lessons the PS3 hasn't been out for 6 years its been out for a little over 4. It came out in November 06 meaning it wont reach its 5 year anniversary untill November 2011. Right.But technically, he's means this gen. which will have started 6 years ago, this Nov.

-The 360 and the wii were hacked at the begninning of the generation at least it took them 4 years to get the PS3. Right

-PSN may not be as profitable as Xbox live but its another reason why I like Sony , at least they dont force you to pay to play online. Subjective.

TheSterls

Actually im still right , it states Sony has lostthe money of of the PS2 sales it made in its 5 PRIME years . but keep in mid the PS2 sold for nearly 8 years . Also why does it matter now that Sony is yet again making money on its gaming division as of last year. And how is not forcing you to pay to play online subjective? Thats a fact .

Nobody is forced to do anything. you don't have to pay for XBL, you could trade it in for a PS3 or just play SP games. Give a link to those other 3 years you mentioned, and then you'll be right.

When the PS3 came out at $600, did anyone think that after 4 years, it would have sold more than the 360 sold in 4 years?

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

bez2083

Actually im still right , it states Sony has lostthe money of of the PS2 sales it made in its 5 PRIME years . but keep in mid the PS2 sold for nearly 8 years . Also why does it matter now that Sony is yet again making money on its gaming division as of last year. And how is not forcing you to pay to play online subjective? Thats a fact .

Nobody is forced to do anything. you don't have to pay for XBL, you could trade it in for a PS3 or just play SP games. And, no you are not right, the $$ is gone. They're finally back on track, but not without some egg on their face.

Um if you want to play xbox live online you will pay plain and simple. Im not sure why thats so hard for you to understand. The PS3 offers the alternative to play online with friends for free. That is not subjective that is a fact.

Second yes I am right because the PS2 didnt sell for only 5 years it sold for nearly 8.

Third how would you say Sony has egg on its face? Because it spent billions on a product and offered more to the consumer then any other console developer example( most powerful hardware of the consoles, BR player ,most multi use functionality . At the end of the day there is no reason why a gamer shouldnt have respect for them as they spent billions on there console and still managed to make profit off it. They coudl have gone the Nintendo route and repackaged a gamecube with a gimmiky remote ( which it took them 4 years to get it to work the way it was suppsoed to in the first place) and sold each peace of terribly underpowered hardware for profit.

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

-No they havent lost all money made on the PS2 Wrong (link). and overall the PS3 has made money for Sony as of last year. Right.

- Second you need math lessons the PS3 hasn't been out for 6 years its been out for a little over 4. It came out in November 06 meaning it wont reach its 5 year anniversary untill November 2011. Right.But technically, he's means this gen. which will have started 6 years ago, this Nov.

-The 360 and the wii were hacked at the begninning of the generation at least it took them 4 years to get the PS3. Right

-PSN may not be as profitable as Xbox live but its another reason why I like Sony , at least they dont force you to pay to play online. Subjective.

TheSterls

Actually im still right , it states Sony has lostthe money of of the PS2 sales it made in its 5 PRIME years . but keep in mid the PS2 sold for nearly 8 years . Also why does it matter now that Sony is yet again making money on its gaming division as of last year. And how is not forcing you to pay to play online subjective? Thats a fact .

Anyone thought PS3 would have an awesome game catalog 6 years into this gen? Because apparently they are losing the "war"

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[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

ianuilliam

Actually im still right , it states Sony has lostthe money of of the PS2 sales it made in its 5 PRIME years . but keep in mid the PS2 sold for nearly 8 years . Also why does it matter now that Sony is yet again making money on its gaming division as of last year. And how is not forcing you to pay to play online subjective? Thats a fact .

I meant sold well for 8 years but that even further proves my point which is Sony didnt lose all its money it made on the PS2.

Anyone thought PS3 would have an awesome game catalog 6 years into this gen? Because apparently they are losing the "war"

:\

NoirLamia

Um if you want to play xbox live online you will pay plain and simple. Im not sure why thats so hard for you to understand. The PS3 offers the alternative to play online with friends for free. That is not subjective that is a fact.

Second yes I am right because the PS2 didnt sell for only 5 years it sold for nearly 8.

Third how would you say Sony has egg on its face? Because it spent billions on a product and offered more to the consumer then any other console developer example( most powerful hardware of the consoles, BR player ,most multi use functionality . At the end of the day there is no reason why a gamer shouldnt have respect for them as they spent billions on there console and still managed to make profit off it. They coudl have gone the Nintendo route and repackaged a gamecube with a gimmiky remote ( which it took them 4 years to get it to work the way it was suppsoed to in the first place) and sold each peace of terribly underpowered hardware for profit.

TheSterls

Yeah, if you want to, but you are not forced. It is by choice. Second, if it sold for nearly 8 years, surely you can come up wit those sales digits, compadre?

Third and finally, yes, by blowing through that money they did, nearly pricing themselves out the market, losing the marketshare they did, that clearly must've left a bad taste in their mouth, hence the egg on face expression.

I meant sold well for 8 years but that even further proves my point which is Sony didnt lose all its money it made on the PS2.

TheSterls

Yes, you are correct, sir. I still disagree with the other stuff, but oh well.

Sony has lost most of the money it's made on gaming so far.

Microsoft has yet to make back the money it's lost on gaming so far.

Essentially they should both just bow down to Nintendo when it comes to making money from gaming, as they've been doing so pretty consistently for the past 30 years.

In graphical form courtesy of a poster on Neogaf:

Sony has lost most of the money it's made on gaming so far.

Microsoft has yet to make back the money it's lost on gaming so far.

Essentially they should both just bow down to Nintendo when it comes to making money from gaming, as they've been doing so pretty consistently for the past 30 years.

In graphical form courtesy of a poster on Neogaf:

shinrabanshou

You are a winner!

This is surprising to me. I never thought this would happen but Sony has not done well this gen compared with previous generations.

They lost all the money they made on the PS2 on the PS3.

PS3 is hacked and will likely be exploited.

PSN is not profitable.

What can Sony do to change things around.

jimmypsn

im not so sure if sony was able to be in first place , they were a fluke to begin with,

nintendo should have stayed righ t where they are now ,

back on top , and i knew wii would take off just by the fact it wasnt ex pensive and has this many good games among other reasons,

it has the variety it needs , to succeed , where as ps3 and 360 rely on first person shoothers and the yearly sports titles and a bit of here and there,

wii is the all around system it has everything , from action to open world , etc

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Sony has lost most of the money it's made on gaming so far.

Microsoft has yet to make back the money it's lost on gaming so far.

Essentially they should both just bow down to Nintendo when it comes to making money from gaming, as they've been doing so pretty consistently for the past 30 years.

In graphical form courtesy of a poster on Neogaf:

bez2083

You are a winner!

So everyone should bow down and make low end cheap hardware and then sell it for a profit. Im curiious why some people are happy companys are making tons of money instead of giving the consumer more bang for there buck.

[QUOTE="bez2083"]

[QUOTE="shinrabanshou"]

Sony has lost most of the money it's made on gaming so far.

Microsoft has yet to make back the money it's lost on gaming so far.

Essentially they should both just bow down to Nintendo when it comes to making money from gaming, as they've been doing so pretty consistently for the past 30 years.

In graphical form courtesy of a poster on Neogaf:

TheSterls

You are a winner!

So everyone should bow down and make low end cheap hardware and then sell it for a profit. Im curiious why some people are happy companys are making tons of money instead of giving the consumer more bang for there buck.

How do you know I wasn't being sarcastic?

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

Um if you want to play xbox live online you will pay plain and simple. Im not sure why thats so hard for you to understand. The PS3 offers the alternative to play online with friends for free. That is not subjective that is a fact.

Second yes I am right because the PS2 didnt sell for only 5 years it sold for nearly 8.

Third how would you say Sony has egg on its face? Because it spent billions on a product and offered more to the consumer then any other console developer example( most powerful hardware of the consoles, BR player ,most multi use functionality . At the end of the day there is no reason why a gamer shouldnt have respect for them as they spent billions on there console and still managed to make profit off it. They coudl have gone the Nintendo route and repackaged a gamecube with a gimmiky remote ( which it took them 4 years to get it to work the way it was suppsoed to in the first place) and sold each peace of terribly underpowered hardware for profit.

bez2083

Yeah, if you want to, but you are not forced. It is by choice. Second, if it sold for nearly 8 years, surely you can come up wit those sales digits, compadre?

Third and finally, yes, by blowing through that money they did, nearly pricing themselves out the market, losing the marketshare they did, that clearly must've left a bad taste in their mouth, hence the egg on face expression.

If you want to play online with friends you either pay or dont get xbox live thats not much of a choice :|

Did they lose marketshare? Yes but they still made profit off the PS3 and the PS3 as a whole has probalby been more profitable for sony then any of the other consoels? Why? Because Sony put everything on Blu-Ray and because of the PS3 it succeeded.

So everyone should bow down and make low end cheap hardware and then sell it for a profit. Im curiious why some people are happy companys are making tons of money instead of giving the consumer more bang for there buck.

TheSterls