Anyone who cares about graphics, should not play on an LCD monitor or tv.

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Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too. http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/ No Led listed. Only plasmas. Every site never has LED tvs in their top tvs for a reason.
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Wrong forum bud!

Anyway, i'm loving my LCD screens, and both have provided awesome visuals for me.

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my CRT only has slighty better blacks than my LED backlit monitor. And the led backlit doesnt weigh 50+lbs. But what in the world are you talking about with CRTs not having any high res offerings? ive seen CRTs with a res of2048x1536

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Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too.reachrocksman
And LED displays destroy plasma.
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couldnt care i have an LCD cause i wanted a bigger tv and as a student i dont have a ton of money to fork over for a tv :P as long as it looks decent in motion i couldnt actually care at all xD.

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I has a pretty 42 inch Panasonic plasma. O the prettiness, my Pinatas look stunning, almost real :oops:
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#7 deactivated-5ec2b2cb7a41e
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TC is right.. good plasma tv's are rediculous. i own a panasonic plasma 42" and it is worth the money..

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#8 LtDan1989
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I have a 1080p Vizio LCD and games look amazing on it. Even blacks, i don't know what your talking about.

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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"]Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too.Plagueless
And LED displays destroy plasma.

I guess you didn't get the memo that LED is actually LCD with different bulbs. There is no difference. Go to any tv ranking site, and all the top tvs are only plasma. You just buy into the shiny Samsung advertising.
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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"]Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too.Plagueless
And LED displays destroy plasma.

LED also destroy your wallet... plasma are a true value for money
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most reviews i see still say dlp is the best picture but the industry is trying to get rid of them because they are more expensive to ship and they take up more storage space in retail outlets.

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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"]Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too.Plagueless
And LED displays destroy plasma.

Yeah, right. You dont know what your talking about. http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/ Notice the only tvs listed are plasmas? Yeah, try again.
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dont know what this guy talking about, but my lcd is perfectly colorful and vibrant.

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I would die if I had to get rid of my Dell Ultrasharp 24". The best ****ing monitor out there. :)
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err... do plasma's count??

games look great on my 50inch panasonic viera 1080p

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#16 reachrocksman
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dont know what this guy talking about, but my lcd is perfectly colorful and vibrant.

Rahnyc4
Did I ever say there weren't colorful? I said they perform poorly in dark scenes, which is why the only top rated tvs are only plasma.
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I has a pretty 42 inch Panasonic plasma. O the prettiness, my Pinatas look stunning, almost real :oops:locopatho

viva pinata looks real? :P

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Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too.reachrocksman
While I do love Plasma TVs, I Prefer LCD for now. The lifespan is great, Zero Burn in, and nearly the same price as Plasma. I have a 42" Sony Bravia, and used to have an LG 42" Plasma, though it did not last very long(Burn in Image, and blotch at the bottom). I still have it, but it is just sitting in the guest bedroom and basically gets zilch use.
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#20 Rahnyc4
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[QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]

dont know what this guy talking about, but my lcd is perfectly colorful and vibrant.

reachrocksman
Did I ever say there weren't colorful? I said they perform poorly in dark scenes, which is why the only top rated tvs are only plasma.

dont know what your talking about, but my lcd is bright in the dark as well. maybe its the lcd monitors you just once own, but its not the same with other folks. infact my screen is better viewed with the lights out :)
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#21 nameless12345
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Plasma is superior for consoles in the mid range class, but high end LCDs can compete with high end plasma TVs.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]I has a pretty 42 inch Panasonic plasma. O the prettiness, my Pinatas look stunning, almost real :oops:theuncharted34

viva pinata looks real? :P

My ideal reality, yes! :D
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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"]

dont know what this guy talking about, but my lcd is perfectly colorful and vibrant.

Rahnyc4
Did I ever say there weren't colorful? I said they perform poorly in dark scenes, which is why the only top rated tvs are only plasma.

dont know what your talking about, but my lcd is bright in the dark as well. maybe its the lcd monitors you just once own, but its not the same with other folks. infact my screen is better viewed with the lights out :)

Your not getting what im saying. Take a Blu ray movie for example. On an LCD in a dark room, you can clearly see letterbox bars, because the tv can not get black, because of the backlight. On a plasma, you can't see any bars, its blends in the the bezel.
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#26 reachrocksman
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I use a LCD monitor and everything looks great, I have no problem with dark levels.

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I thought the same until I bought my first plasma, and then realized how awful lcd is in comparsion.
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#27 pimpog
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TC crt is king but it uses too much power and is very bulky and it has no native rez either.

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#28 Gue1
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We are in 2011 and the best LCD still can't compete with an average CRT when it comes to color accuracy and contrast.

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#29 reachrocksman
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We are in 2011 and the best LCD still can't compete with an average CRT when it comes to color accuracy and contrast.

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Quite sad, The Kuros plasmas beat CRT, next years Panasonic plasmas are set the dethrone the Kuros.
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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"][QUOTE="Rahnyc4"][QUOTE="reachrocksman"] Did I ever say there weren't colorful? I said they perform poorly in dark scenes, which is why the only top rated tvs are only plasma.

dont know what your talking about, but my lcd is bright in the dark as well. maybe its the lcd monitors you just once own, but its not the same with other folks. infact my screen is better viewed with the lights out :)

oh alright, well i dont care about blu ray movies, since i mostly game anyway on my lcd. ;) but i guess i understand. Your not getting what im saying. Take a Blu ray movie for example. On an LCD in a dark room, you can clearly see letterbox bars, because the tv can not get black, because of the backlight. On a plasma, you can't see any bars, its blends in the the bezel.

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#32 pimpog
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[QUOTE="Gue1"]

We are in 2011 and the best LCD still can't compete with an average CRT when it comes to color accuracy and contrast.

reachrocksman

Quite sad, The Kuros plasmas beat CRT, next years Panasonic plasmas are set the dethrone the Kuros.

That is BS I have a old sony gdm-fw900 and it looks better than any plasma with no native rez.

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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"][QUOTE="Gue1"]

We are in 2011 and the best LCD still can't compete with an average CRT when it comes to color accuracy and contrast.

pimpog

Quite sad, The Kuros plasmas beat CRT, next years Panasonic plasmas are set the dethrone the Kuros.

That is BS I have a old sony gdm-fw900 and it looks better than any plasma with no native rez.

You obviously have never seen a Pioneer KRP-500m. You dont know what your talking about.
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Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too. http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/ No Led listed. Only plasmas. Every site never has LED tvs in their top tvs for a reason.reachrocksman

How interesting. I have a local dimming LED LCD that proves you wrong, however. Thanks, though.

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I've been meaning to upgrade to a 42" plasma, and I might do it in February. My brother's is awesome compared to my 32" LCD.

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[QUOTE="travisstaggs"]

I use a LCD monitor and everything looks great, I have no problem with dark levels.

reachrocksman

I thought the same until I bought my first plasma, and then realized how awful lcd is in comparsion.

you can have the oldest LCD with the crappiest contrast level ever and after a few weeks your eyes will adjust to it but then when you get something better is when you'll finally realize how crappy your old LCD was. This was something that never happened with CRT TV though, I think this is why they wanted to kill them fast and now with the constant progress of LCD is easier to tempt people to buy a new one every couple of years promoting stuff like better contrast, faster image (all LCD have more lag than CRT, even the most expensive ones), etc.

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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"]Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too. http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/ No Led listed. Only plasmas. Every site never has LED tvs in their top tvs for a reason.Dire_Weasel

How interesting. I have a local dimming LED LCD that proves you wrong, however. Thanks, though.

Local Dimming helps, but still doesn't work. You only have 112 zones. Each pixel cannot be controlled with its light. Until an lcd has EACH pixel having its own light, it will not matter. So I just proved you wrong, thank to you though.
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#38 Mystic-G
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Backlit LCD makes this topic invalid.

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#39 reachrocksman
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Backlit LCD makes this topic invalid.

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[QUOTE="Dire_Weasel"]

[QUOTE="reachrocksman"]Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too. http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/ No Led listed. Only plasmas. Every site never has LED tvs in their top tvs for a reason.reachrocksman

How interesting. I have a local dimming LED LCD that proves you wrong, however. Thanks, though.

Local Dimming helps, but still doesn't work. You only have 112 zones. Each pixel cannot be controlled with its light. Until an lcd has EACH pixel having its own light, it will not matter. So I just proved you wrong, thank to you though.

It actually works quite well, thanks, and I'm sure I'll appreciate the nice long lifespan of the set in a couple of years.

Anyway, you're trolling the wrong forum. Please move along.

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Why is this in system wars?

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[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="reachrocksman"] Quite sad, The Kuros plasmas beat CRT, next years Panasonic plasmas are set the dethrone the Kuros.reachrocksman

That is BS I have a old sony gdm-fw900 and it looks better than any plasma with no native rez.

You obviously have never seen a Pioneer KRP-500m. You dont know what your talking about.

Nah bro you got it twisted you have never seen the gdm fw900 but look at the specs vs your plasma it is no contest.

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The trouble with playing games on a plasma is that the fixed HUD elements significantly increase the risk of burn-in. Newer plasmas may be more resistant to this, but they still aren't completely immune.
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While LCD is'nt exactly a true step forewards, I'm plenty happy with it. If you're on any kind of budget, even a big one, there are much better things to spend that money on.

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[QUOTE="reachrocksman"][QUOTE="pimpog"]

That is BS I have a old sony gdm-fw900 and it looks better than any plasma with no native rez.

pimpog

You obviously have never seen a Pioneer KRP-500m. You dont know what your talking about.

Nah bro you got it twisted you have never seen the gdm fw900 but look at the specs vs your plasma it is no contest.

Actually the 9G Kuro has ablack level of 0.001 fL (maybe less as the measuring tool could only go to 0.001). Almost absolute.

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[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="reachrocksman"] You obviously have never seen a Pioneer KRP-500m. You dont know what your talking about.NVIDIATI

Nah bro you got it twisted you have never seen the gdm fw900 but look at the specs vs your plasma it is no contest.

Actually the 9G Kuro has ablack level of 0.001 fL (maybe less as the measuring tool could only go to 0.001). Almost absolute.

thank you ;)
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The trouble with playing games on a plasma is that the fixed HUD elements significantly increase the risk of burn-in. Newer plasmas may be more resistant to this, but they still aren't completely immune.ThePlothole
I play Halo: Reach everday for 3 hour straight marathons, no BS. No "burn-in" Its really a thing of the past, atleast for Panasonic plasmas.
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I would die if I had to get rid of my Dell Ultrasharp 24". The best ****ing monitor out there. :)Stevo_the_gamer
Samsung XL2370 ;)
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[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

Nah bro you got it twisted you have never seen the gdm fw900 but look at the specs vs your plasma it is no contest.

reachrocksman

Actually the 9G Kuro has a black level of 0.001 fL (maybe less as the measuring tool could only go to 0.001). Almost absolute.

thank you ;)

Last thing I wanted to do was help you in anyway.... Though its also sad some of the claims being made in this thread.