Anyone who cares about graphics, should not play on an LCD monitor or tv.

Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too. http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/ No Led listed. Only plasmas. Every site never has LED tvs in their top tvs for a reason.reachrocksman

[QUOTE="reachrocksman"]Yes, LCD does look good in bright scenes, but they have poor black levels, which greatly reduces contrast. This is also a reason it hard to see in pitch dark levels in games, such as Resident Evil. Plasma and CRT have contrast that murders lcd. I play Crysis maxed, and refuse to use an lcd monitor, that gives me motion blur and poor black levels. CRT is out though, no high resolution offerings, I own a Panasonic VT25 plasma. It is rated the best looking plasma ever, other than a Pioneer Kuro. The blacks are very inky, and thus offers much more contrast than lcd. Until OLED comes out, I will stick to plasma, and reccomend that you do too. http://reviews.cnet.com/best-hdtvs/ No Led listed. Only plasmas. Every site never has LED tvs in their top tvs for a reason.ronvalencia

Look on ebay for a cheap 21 or 22 inch crt monitor.

Look on ebay for a cheap 21 or 22 inch crt monitor.

pimpog

Then pay a huge sum in shipping and get an old monitor which might break on you at any minute.

That's nice TC but games still look good on my PC monitor so it's all good.

That's nice TC but games still look good on my PC monitor so it's all good.

mitu123

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

Look on ebay for a cheap 21 or 22 inch crt monitor.

Hakkai007

Then pay a huge sum in shipping and get an old monitor which might break on you at any minute.

It's ebay if it is broken you can send it back.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

That's nice TC but games still look good on my PC monitor so it's all good.

reachrocksman

I didn't say it doesn't look nice, its just that when you compare it to a plasma or CRT, its truly garbage tech.reachrocksman

Tell me when they release 24-28 inch plasmas and tell me when they are 1920x1200 res.

It's ebay if it is broken you can send it back.

pimpog

What I am saying is that those monitors are pretty old and probably won't last that long.

[QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]I guess if you don't know how to accurately adjust your black levels, I can see how someone would make a statement like that. On the contrary, I do know how to tweak them, and enjoy my gaming LCD experience.reachrocksman

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]LCD TV's have far better everything than Plasmas. I have a 46' Samsung 1080p 260 MHz 1000:1 / 10000:1 (dynamic) contrast ratio that looks better than any TV on the market. I have done alot of research on Televisons and also alot of viewing different TV's. I used to own a 1080p Panasonic Plasma and my current TV blows it out of the water.NVIDIATI

Trolling hard are we? You must be searching for attention, because what you just said is obviously incorrect.

Wow never seen somebody get it this wrong that had to be on purpose because it is too scary to think that he could get it that wrong for real.

LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.Timstuff

LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.NVIDIATI

LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.Timstuff

If I had just a nickel for every time I heard that some new tech was going to destroy my old crt I would be rich. Really the kuro elite is the best hdtv but it has been discontinued much like my old crt. I hear good thing about oled maybe I will get one when they come out.

to be honest, my lcd looks great. as long as you calibrate it properly, you will have a good look. the vt25 i'm SURE is great, no doubt, and if I wasn't so freaked out about IR for ps3 and espn, then I would already have one... But, I think it would be an over-generalization to say all lcds suck... and besides, input lag on todays tvs/monitors is a much bigger deal (should be?) than contrast..

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.pimpog

If I had just a nickel for every time I heard that some new tech was going to destroy my old crt I would be rich. Really the kuro elite is the best hdtv but it has been discontinued much like my old crt. I hear good thing about oled maybe I will get one when they come out.

[QUOTE="reachrocksman"][QUOTE="TheMoreYouOwn"]I guess if you don't know how to accurately adjust your black levels, I can see how someone would make a statement like that. On the contrary, I do know how to tweak them, and enjoy my gaming LCD experience.TheMoreYouOwn

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.karasill

If I had just a nickel for every time I heard that some new tech was going to destroy my old crt I would be rich. Really the kuro elite is the best hdtv but it has been discontinued much like my old crt. I hear good thing about oled maybe I will get one when they come out.

For me it has been and always will be about the picture. If I have the best picture with the best sound then I am pretty much set. Once you get used to that it is hard to go back.

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.karasill

If I had just a nickel for every time I heard that some new tech was going to destroy my old crt I would be rich. Really the kuro elite is the best hdtv but it has been discontinued much like my old crt. I hear good thing about oled maybe I will get one when they come out.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="pimpog"]

If I had just a nickel for every time I heard that some new tech was going to destroy my old crt I would be rich. Really the kuro elite is the best hdtv but it has been discontinued much like my old crt. I hear good thing about oled maybe I will get one when they come out.

Timstuff

If you can't lift 100 lbs you need to run not walk to the gym ya dig

My LG L227WTG 22 inch has pretty good black levels.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="pimpog"]

If I had just a nickel for every time I heard that some new tech was going to destroy my old crt I would be rich. Really the kuro elite is the best hdtv but it has been discontinued much like my old crt. I hear good thing about oled maybe I will get one when they come out.

Timstuff

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="karasill"] Well you have to remember it's not just about black levels. It's also about power consumption, screen size, cabinet depth, refresh rate, resolution, etc... You may only care about black levels (which CRTs are amazing at), but as a total package CRT's have been long obsolete. pimpog

If you can't lift 100 lbs you need to run not walk to the gym ya dig

[QUOTE="Timstuff"][QUOTE="karasill"] Well you have to remember it's not just about black levels. It's also about power consumption, screen size, cabinet depth, refresh rate, resolution, etc... You may only care about black levels (which CRTs are amazing at), but as a total package CRT's have been long obsolete. pimpog

If you can't lift 100 lbs you need to run not walk to the gym ya dig

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]LED monitors will be the next evolution in display technology, with each pixel being an LED diode. Almost perfect black levels and minuscule refresh rates compared to LCD are some of the things we can look forward to, as well as extremely thin profiles and great energy economy.karasill

i just had to come back on here, accepting the statement that the vt25 is just as good as a kuro is just false haha. a vt25 is good, but compared to a kuro, the blacks are still gray... hopefully 2011 will have pannys with no rising/floating blacks, less IR, and the kuro tech used...

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="pimpog"]

If I had just a nickel for every time I heard that some new tech was going to destroy my old crt I would be rich. Really the kuro elite is the best hdtv but it has been discontinued much like my old crt. I hear good thing about oled maybe I will get one when they come out.

For me it has been and always will be about the picture. If I have the best picture with the best sound then I am pretty much set. Once you get used to that it is hard to go back.

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="Timstuff"]Not to mention WEIGHT! CRTs are monsters, and if you drop one (which is quite possible since they are so heavy), it will not only break your foot but it could also explode and get glass in your eye.psx_warrior

If you can't lift 100 lbs you need to run not walk to the gym ya dig

It is only 100lbs my dog is heavier than that not to mention my sub.

[QUOTE="karasill"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] I'm assuming you mean OLED? and also its not "LED diode" ... LED = Light emitting diode. So you don't have a "light emitting diode diode"

i just had to come back on here, accepting the statement that the vt25 is just as good as a kuro is just false haha. a vt25 is good, but compared to a kuro, the blacks are still gray... hopefully 2011 will have pannys with no rising/floating blacks, less IR, and the kuro tech used...

tamabeast04

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] Well you have to remember it's not just about black levels. It's also about power consumption, screen size, cabinet depth, refresh rate, resolution, etc... You may only care about black levels (which CRTs are amazing at), but as a total package CRT's have been long obsolete. karasill

For me it has been and always will be about the picture. If I have the best picture with the best sound then I am pretty much set. Once you get used to that it is hard to go back.

So you never tested/calibrated your display I know I am kinda nerdy about that. So I know what to look for.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] I'm pretty sure LED tvs consume less power then other display technologies (except OLED).. Also LEDs offer exceptional colors and contrast levels.. Some of these LED tvs offer very deep blacks to the point of making you think that the screen isn't even turned on.. Yeah plasma tvs might have a slight edge in black levels, but the average joe isn't going to notice a difference between a top end LED and a top end plasma. Infact, I doubt I even could.

karasill

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="pimpog"]

For me it has been and always will be about the picture. If I have the best picture with the best sound then I am pretty much set. Once you get used to that it is hard to go back.

So you never tested/calibrated your display I know I am kinda nerdy about that. So I know what to look for.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Plasma's have a bit more then a "slight" edge over LCD/LED. Even the best local dim. LED can't beat a mid-high end plasma. There is a clear gap between a top of the line plasma and the top of the line LCD, as that's all LED's are. A type of back-light.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] How big is this "clear gap" because I can't see the difference.. I'm not saying their isn't a difference but it's probably to the point where nobody would ever notice unless they knew exactly what they were looking for. And even then is it really that big? I'm going to say no and call BS on anyone who says otherwise.karasill

[QUOTE="pimpog"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] Can you even tell the difference between black levels and color levels from a high end LED/Plasma to a CRT? Because I can't and I'm a graphics w**** and a real critic on picture quality.karasill

So you never tested/calibrated your display I know I am kinda nerdy about that. So I know what to look for.

That is what it is all about the details or I would never bother calibrating my display or getting a sound meter and moving my furniture around to find the sweet spot. Yeah I maybe a little obsesive about it but when my friends want to play a game or watch a movie they always come to my house. Now if you wear glasses or have bad hearing then of course the details will be lost on you. Not saying you do but my day for example can't see the diffrence and thinks all audio/video cab;es are the same.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] How big is this "clear gap" because I can't see the difference.. I'm not saying their isn't a difference but it's probably to the point where nobody would ever notice unless they knew exactly what they were looking for. And even then is it really that big? I'm going to say no and call BS on anyone who says otherwise.NVIDIATI

/YOU/ and other TV enthusiasts/TV critics may "see" a big difference but normal people don't. Even people with a sharp eye will just see a small difference.. I'm not blind and I've seen my fair share of a variety of HDTVs. Hell I even own a plasma tv, a LCD tv, and a LED tv.. I may not have the same high standards as you (obviously), but I have a firm grasp at what I see and what is reality. Yeah the Kuro's may be the best tv's ever, I'm not arguing that. But you and I both know they dont blow all other tvs out of the water... That is just being an elitist or a videophile, nothing more...

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] Find a 9G kuro, pop in a bluray rich in colour and blacks (maybe the Dark Knight). And you will see the difference. Colour accuracy, blacks, light balance, motion, saturation, etc.

NVIDIATI

My friend has the kuro elite and you can't tell the tv is on unless the room is completely dark on black level test signals. I don't know of any other hdtv beside a crt that can do that. The contrast is also sick again this is a plasma tv and plasma don't do contrast well. If there is a better hdtv i have not seen or heard about it this includes the new hdtvs and the kuro is a old discontinued set. I want one and can't find one nobody will sell them.

[QUOTE="karasill"][QUOTE="pimpog"]

So you never tested/calibrated your display I know I am kinda nerdy about that. So I know what to look for.

pimpog

That is what it is all about the details or I would never bother calibrating my display or getting a sound meter and moving my furniture around to find the sweet spot. Yeah I maybe a little obsesive about it but when my friends want to play a game or watch a movie they always come to my house. Now if you wear glasses or have bad hearing then of course the details will be lost on you. Not saying you do but my day for example can't see the diffrence and thinks all audio/video cab;es are the same.

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"]

[QUOTE="karasill"] I'm not going to buy a high end plasma tv to see what will amount to a small difference... There are already LEDs that offer deep black levels to the point where you think the tv isn't even on... You can't get blacker then black, so that 9G Kuro won't make me change my mind. Sure it might be a little better but it's not going to put these other tvs to shame as if they were black and white tvs... karasill

/YOU/ and other TV enthusiasts/TV critics may "see" a big difference but normal people don't. Even people with a sharp eye will just see a small difference.. I'm not blind and I've seen my fair share of a variety of HDTVs. Hell I even own a plasma tv, a LCD tv, and a LED tv.. I may not have the same high standards as you (obviously), but I have a firm grasp at what I see and what is reality. Yeah the Kuro's may be the best tv's ever, I'm not arguing that. But you and I both know they dont blow all other tvs out of the water... That is just being an elitist or a videophile, nothing more...

[QUOTE="karasill"]

[QUOTE="NVIDIATI"] *facepalm* now you're just being ignorant. Its a pretty big difference between an Elite Kuro and an LCD with LED backlight. These aren't just "tiny" differences. Again there is a real reason the Elite Kuro is used as a reference display for colour and black level performance.

NVIDIATI

/YOU/ and other TV enthusiasts/TV critics may "see" a big difference but normal people don't. Even people with a sharp eye will just see a small difference.. I'm not blind and I've seen my fair share of a variety of HDTVs. Hell I even own a plasma tv, a LCD tv, and a LED tv.. I may not have the same high standards as you (obviously), but I have a firm grasp at what I see and what is reality. Yeah the Kuro's may be the best tv's ever, I'm not arguing that. But you and I both know they dont blow all other tvs out of the water... That is just being an elitist or a videophile, nothing more...