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#1 Hathesulacon
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If Halo Reach is getting this crazy DX 11 tesselation **Unlocking the xbox360s true potential** crap, why cant I get that stuff on my beloved Mass Effect. Now I know mass effect 2 is a BEATIFUL looking game. on the line with Uncharted 2 (Idk why no one mentions this lol) but I dont think its doing anything CRAZY with like DX 11 or w/e its called.

Of course, that Halo Reach, man, that was looking good, I say this because Bungie has confirmed thats what in game will look like. When this was confirmed for me, pants were crapped. lol

MASS EFFECT 2 GOTY 2010!!!! (imoimoimoimo) LOL

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#2 killa4lyfe
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ME 2 looks better than what we saw of reach yesterday so its all good :D

oh btw that was in engine, i doubt the game will acctually play like that but if it does :| god help the ps3 :P

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#4 ZoomZoom2490
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360 cant go above dx9, dont fall for the hype.

the trailor they showed was done on a computer with dx11 gpu from amd/ati

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#5 themyth01
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ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing.
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#6 Hathesulacon
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But all that Halo Reach stuff wasnt CGI it was all what in game looks like. Amazing right. Supposedly microsoft is now giving Developers the tools to *unlock* things that they didnt know the xbox could do. lol

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#7 ZoomZoom2490
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ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing. themyth01
lol, listen to me for one last time. they trailor you saw last night didnt run on 360 hardare.
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#8 ZoomZoom2490
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why do lemms fall for these lies after 4 times of being tricked? i dont get it.

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#9 themyth01
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[QUOTE="themyth01"]ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing. ZoomZoom2490
lol, listen to me for one last time. they trailor you saw last night didnt run on 360 hardare.

Well show some proof then. It's hard to believe you especially with your post record.
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#10 Hathesulacon
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Yeah ZoomZoom >_> Icanhaslinkorproof?

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#11 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

360 cant go above dx9, dont fall for the hype.

the trailor they showed was done on a computer with dx11 gpu from amd/ati

It can do DX9 with a DX10/11 features I believe. (and by a few I mean tesselation:P)
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="themyth01"]ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing. themyth01
lol, listen to me for one last time. they trailor you saw last night didnt run on 360 hardare.

Well show some proof then. It's hard to believe you especially with your post record.

show proof? lmao just go watch halo3 trailor, OMG! this is absurd.
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#13 AAllxxjjnn
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It's funny how everyone's opinion of Reach's graphics are all over the place.
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#14 Kan0nF0dder
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Er... except that ME2 already looks better than what we saw of Halo Reach.

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#15 SparkyProtocol
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why do lemms fall for these lies after 4 times of being tricked? i dont get it.

ZoomZoom2490

The video is using their engine for the cutscenes the exact same way Halo 3:ODST did it's cutscenes. I will believe Shishka over you any day.

Edit: It should be noted that I am not hyping this teh crysis killer (obvious) or KZ2 killer. Halo has always been about scale and I want to see what their new engine can do with that concept.

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#16 X_Evo
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Look the 360 can't go above DX9, The trailer was on a PC using one of AMDs 5000 series cards which are the only things can support DX11 right now.

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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="themyth01"]ME is based on the Unreal Engine 3, so they can't do as many things as Bungie can, since Bungie developed their own engine and that's why Reach looks amazing. themyth01
lol, listen to me for one last time. they trailor you saw last night didnt run on 360 hardare.

Well show some proof then. It's hard to believe you especially with your post record.

I just think he's another PS3 Fanboy.. Why can't the 360 look that good ? seriously just be happy cause this game is looking really nice
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#18 themyth01
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] lol, listen to me for one last time. they trailor you saw last night didnt run on 360 hardare.ZoomZoom2490
Well show some proof then. It's hard to believe you especially with your post record.

show proof? lmao just go watch halo3 trailor, OMG! this is absurd.

And so he fails to deliver. Seriously dude, this could turn out to be anything but going around making accusations without any grounds is something only fanboys do.
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#19 ZoomZoom2490
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

360 cant go above dx9, dont fall for the hype.

the trailor they showed was done on a computer with dx11 gpu from amd/ati

It can do DX9 with a DX10/11 features I believe. (and by a few I mean tesselation:P)

lol if you actually believe that.
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#20 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

360 cant go above dx9, dont fall for the hype.

the trailor they showed was done on a computer with dx11 gpu from amd/ati

You're right, the 360's GPU is DX9 based. That doesn't mean that they can't get a few elements of DX10, and 11 working through software.
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#21 SpruceCaboose
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Um, The 360 cannot do DirectX 11, so I am not sure where you are hearing that part. And Mass Effect is not made by the same developer as Halo Reach. That is like asking why Mercedes and BMW cars use different parts.
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"][QUOTE="themyth01"] Well show some proof then. It's hard to believe you especially with your post record. themyth01
show proof? lmao just go watch halo3 trailor, OMG! this is absurd.

And so he fails to deliver. Seriously dude, this could turn out to be anything but going around making accusations without any grounds is something only fanboys do.

you honestly believe the trailor was gameplay footage running on 360 hardware? ROFL!
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But all that Halo Reach stuff wasnt CGI it was all what in game looks like. Amazing right. Supposedly microsoft is now giving Developers the tools to *unlock* things that they didnt know the xbox could do. lol

Hathesulacon
Reach will look like the trailer in the same way KZ2 looked like the E3 trailer. In other words, it won't. PR people will hype their games. Don't fall for the smoke and mirrors. Fall for the game itself.
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#25 themyth01
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] show proof? lmao just go watch halo3 trailor, OMG! this is absurd.ZoomZoom2490
And so he fails to deliver. Seriously dude, this could turn out to be anything but going around making accusations without any grounds is something only fanboys do.

you honestly believe the trailor was gameplay footage running on 360 hardware? ROFL!

Of course, that's what all major gaming websites have said. It's no Crysis but it still looks amazing and very doable on the 360.
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If some of you remember, the trailer for Halo 3 looked awesome when it first shown, but in game, the graphics were short of impressive.
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#27 themyth01
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[QUOTE="Hathesulacon"]

But all that Halo Reach stuff wasnt CGI it was all what in game looks like. Amazing right. Supposedly microsoft is now giving Developers the tools to *unlock* things that they didnt know the xbox could do. lol

SpruceCaboose
Reach will look like the trailer in the same way KZ2 looked like the E3 trailer. In other words, it won't. PR people will hype their games. Don't fall for the smoke and mirrors. Fall for the game itself.

So you seriously think the in-engine video looks as good as CGI, I thought it looked great but not CGI quality.
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#28 ZoomZoom2490
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pleace stop, just stop.

360 cant do dx11.

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#29 themyth01
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pleace stop, just stop.

360 cant do dx11.

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And who says you need DX11 to do this graphics. Get a clue.
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#30 ZoomZoom2490
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If some of you remember, the trailer for Halo 3 looked awesome when it first shown, but in game, the graphics were short of impressive.JunkTrap
that's the problem here, they forget everything.
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#31 ZoomZoom2490
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

pleace stop, just stop.

360 cant do dx11.

And who says you need DX11 to do this graphics. Get a clue.

oh god.
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#32 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

pleace stop, just stop.

360 cant do dx11.

Tesselation does not equal DX11. It is just one small feature.
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#33 Cali3350
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The Xbox 360 GPU is a fully DX 9.0 compliant device, it does not support the featureset above these.

HOWEVER

ATI GPU's since R600 have supported tesselation to some extent. The Xenos GPU is capable of the tech (which is in the DX11 spec sheet) and games can make use of it. Its performance at this point is unproven however (only M$ and AMD know how well it actually runs the code)

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#34 X_Evo
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

pleace stop, just stop.

360 cant do dx11.

Tesselation does not equal DX11. It is just one small feature.

Yes Tessellation can be done on the 360 that is old news, AMD has had Tessellation support in all their cards since the 2000 series but its no where near what DX11 can do.
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#35 PAL360
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So, the new excuse is that the vid was running on a PC? lol

Also i dont remember 360 owners being tricked. At least nothing at the same level of the fake 2005 Killzone2´s CGI :P

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Untill the Reach BETA hits where we shale see what ever they have developed I wont get over hyped for what does look a bit like a CG movie. IF the beta shows the graphic promise of said trailer thats when we should get a bit excited.

However with that logic I can Lems going "Bu,but that's BETA code it will be better come final build" however the beta coding should in theroy give us a big clue towards Reach.

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There is soo much fail in this thread >.>

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#38 SpruceCaboose
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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="Hathesulacon"]

But all that Halo Reach stuff wasnt CGI it was all what in game looks like. Amazing right. Supposedly microsoft is now giving Developers the tools to *unlock* things that they didnt know the xbox could do. lol

themyth01
Reach will look like the trailer in the same way KZ2 looked like the E3 trailer. In other words, it won't. PR people will hype their games. Don't fall for the smoke and mirrors. Fall for the game itself.

So you seriously think the in-engine video looks as good as CGI, I thought it looked great but not CGI quality.

Do I expect Reach to be great? Certainly. Do I love Halo? Absolutely. Has MS lied to us before about how a Halo game would look? Yup. So now I am cautious, just saying, until I see a HUD, not going to get over-excited about it.
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#40 PAL360
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[QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"] show proof? lmao just go watch halo3 trailor, OMG! this is absurd.ZoomZoom2490
And so he fails to deliver. Seriously dude, this could turn out to be anything but going around making accusations without any grounds is something only fanboys do.

you honestly believe the trailor was gameplay footage running on 360 hardware? ROFL!

Im glad you are impressed! :)

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#41 ZoomZoom2490
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when someone gets tricked from lies i give em another chance, 2nd time, maybe i will forgive em, but 4 times now? comon now.

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#42 deactivated-5b19214ec908b
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Mass effect 2 does look better then Halo reach

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[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="themyth01"][QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"] Reach will look like the trailer in the same way KZ2 looked like the E3 trailer. In other words, it won't. PR people will hype their games. Don't fall for the smoke and mirrors. Fall for the game itself.

So you seriously think the in-engine video looks as good as CGI, I thought it looked great but not CGI quality.

Do I expect Reach to be great? Certainly. Do I love Halo? Absolutely. Has MS lied to us before about how a Halo game would look? Yup. So now I am cautious, just saying, until I see a HUD, not going to get over-excited about it.

Sounds fair. I'm a little skeptical myself but I refrain from calling it a fake outright when there is no proof whatsoever of that being the case, not only that but the video doesn't really look CGI quality, it looks good, on par with the biggest console games, but still not close to Crysis quality which is why I think it's very doable on 360.
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#44 SparkyProtocol
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[QUOTE="alstevens83"]

Untill the Reach BETA hits where we shale see what ever they have developed I wont get over hyped for what does look a bit like a CG movie. IF the beta shows the graphic promise of said trailer thats when we should get a bit excited.

However with that logic I can Lems going "Bu,but that's BETA code it will be better come final build" however the beta coding should in theroy give us a big clue towards Reach.

I am waiting for some campaign footage at E3 before I fully judge the graphics.
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when someone gets tricked from lies i give em another chance, 2nd time, maybe i will forgive em, but 4 times now? comon now.

ZoomZoom2490

You must hate Sony, man... Their past of constantly lying, and breaking promises is what made me to weary of the PS3. To this day, no company has ever matched Sony in the broken promises department.

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#46 MortalDecay
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="alstevens83"]

Untill the Reach BETA hits where we shale see what ever they have developed I wont get over hyped for what does look a bit like a CG movie. IF the beta shows the graphic promise of said trailer thats when we should get a bit excited.

However with that logic I can Lems going "Bu,but that's BETA code it will be better come final build" however the beta coding should in theroy give us a big clue towards Reach.

I am waiting for some campaign footage at E3 before I fully judge the graphics.

The beta will be out before then.
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#47 X_Evo
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

when someone gets tricked from lies i give em another chance, 2nd time, maybe i will forgive em, but 4 times now? comon now.

MortalDecay

You must hate Sony, man... Their past of constantly lying, and breaking promises is what made me to weary of the PS3. To this day, no company has ever matched Sony in the broken promises department.

You do know Microsoft makes the 360 right? :?

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#48 themyth01
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[QUOTE="MortalDecay"]

[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

when someone gets tricked from lies i give em another chance, 2nd time, maybe i will forgive em, but 4 times now? comon now.

X_Evo

You must hate Sony, man... Their past of constantly lying, and breaking promises is what made me to weary of the PS3. To this day, no company has ever matched Sony in the broken promises department.

You do know Microsoft makes the 360 right? :?

360 was never said to do 4D graphics. Heck they never even said it would do 1080p at 120fps.
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#49 PAL360
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[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="alstevens83"]

Untill the Reach BETA hits where we shale see what ever they have developed I wont get over hyped for what does look a bit like a CG movie. IF the beta shows the graphic promise of said trailer thats when we should get a bit excited.

However with that logic I can Lems going "Bu,but that's BETA code it will be better come final build" however the beta coding should in theroy give us a big clue towards Reach.

MortalDecay

I am waiting for some campaign footage at E3 before I fully judge the graphics.

The beta will be out before then.

Yep, but the mp never looks as good as the campaign.

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#50 ShadowriverUB
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[QUOTE="ZoomZoom2490"]

360 cant go above dx9, dont fall for the hype.

the trailor they showed was done on a computer with dx11 gpu from amd/ati

MortalDecay

You're right, the 360's GPU is DX9 based. That doesn't mean that they can't get a few elements of DX10, and 11 working through software.

You guys don't understand that there no such thing as DX-based GPU... they simply just got features that DX use and as i heared, Xenon got prototype telessation feature