APRIL NPDS - PS2 Sells (Nearly) as Much as 360, Wii falls to 340K

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#251 NPD5623
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Bad month overall. Also, shouldn't the title say: "PS2 outsells PS3 by a wide margin!" instead of comparing to the 360 (which beat it). It just seems dumb to me. Oh well. XanaduTheBand
its as if they are proud their flagship console is being outsold by a 9 year old last gen system. The TC is even lying as the PS2 still didnt outsell the 360. They cant even spin properly anymore :lol:
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#252 3picuri3
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[QUOTE="XanaduTheBand"]Bad month overall. Also, shouldn't the title say: "PS2 outsells PS3 by a wide margin!" instead of comparing to the 360 (which beat it). It just seems dumb to me. Oh well. NPD5623
its as if they are proud their flagship console is being outsold by a 9 year old last gen system. The TC is even lying as the PS2 still didnt outsell the 360. They cant even spin properly anymore :lol:

ya. to be honest im shocked it got the sticky as is - he spinned the listing of numbers, and basically just tried to put a rose on the pile of manure that was sony's NPD numbers. oh well :P
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#253 Erik_Lensherr
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Lol at PS3 being outsold by a 10 year old machine :lol:

Lol at KZ2 not being in the top 10 in software :lol:

Lol at Cow spin, denial, and damage control :lol:

Lol at Sony for trying to trojan horse a Movie format into a gaming machine and costing them leadership in the gaming consoleindustry :lol:

*edit* And Lol at thread title

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#254 genfactor
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Things people already know:

1) April of 09 is the 2nd highest selling April in history.

2) April of 08 saw the release of Mario Kart Wii and GTA4, meaning that sales for April of 08 was artificially high.

3) The PS2 has the greatest gaming library ever made and because Sony took bc out of the PS3, owning a PS2 is the only way to play games like god of war and persona 3.

4) Fanboys were clearly wrong about the DSi not taking off.

5) Wii sales nearly dropped in half and still and still out sold every non nintendo system on the market

6) Dispite fanboy claims of the wii collecting dust like pokemon, nielson reports that the wii is the second most used system behind the ps2. http://kotaku.com/5205249/nielsen-drops-the-ball-on-console-usage-numbers

7) The fanboy myth that 3rd parties games don't sell, only nintendo makes money off of nintendo systems it easily disproved. The wii has 54 million sellers only 11of them are by nintendo which means the other 43 are by 3rd parties. The DS has 91 million sellers with only 16 of them by nintendo which means 75 of them are by 3rd parties. http://www.gamespot.com/news/6209412.html?tag=result;title;0http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=214490

Does anyone know how many tittles crossed the million sold barrier for the 360, PS3 and PSP?

8 ) Just because you don't see games one the Wii, PS3, 360 that you want to play, does not mean that Wii, PS3 or 360 does not have games. Your tastes belong to you and probably the people you hang out with and does not represent the planet. In other words, your opinion does not equal fact.

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#255 hiphop_quotable
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[QUOTE="hiphop_quotable"]

If sony had enough money to advertise their games properly, they would be in the Top 10 (kz2).

NPD5623

Oh please thats damage control at its finest. I saw that slow motion bullet so many times........................

Notice I said the word properly, what makes you think it wouldn't sell like geow if had that amount of marketing put into it.

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6) Dispite fanboy claims of the wii collecting dust like pokemon, nielson reports that the wii is the second most used system behind the ps2. http://kotaku.com/5205249/nielsen-drops-the-ball-on-console-usage-numbers

genfactor

do you mean this graph?

Doesn't it show the Wii behind the 360 every month except by a small amount in Jan 09? :?

Nielsen chart 2

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#257 FILIPINOMAZTER
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I still remember when the PSP was first unveiled, how everyone was just so sure it was going to utterly crush Nintendo's handheld, totally dethrone Nintendo and replace them as the new king of handhelds. Didn't quite turn out like that though, did it? Nintendo OWNS the handheld market. And it's funny because they make it look so easy! They sell a bajillion units without even trying, LOL!
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#258 osan0
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[QUOTE="kyacat"]

wow ps2 out selling ps3 and someone say Ps2 is dead:lol: and please who is still buying the wii fit balance board wow wee good for wii but holy smoke the Ds is now the beast in handsheld market

HarlockJC
It makes you wonder will companies start making more PS2 games again

i dont think big blockbuster devs will since all there devs and all there tech are now made for PS3, 360 and mid-high end PC hardware. they were gearing up for that before the 360 even launched. the likes of epic and bethesda will ignore it as much as they continue to ignore the wii. but it would make alot of business sense for big publishers to have perhaps some of their newer teams working on PS2/wii/PSP and low end PC games. that customer base dwarfs the size of the 360, PS3 and high end PC userbase. the only question is...could they do it and deliver good games?
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#260 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="genfactor"]

6) Dispite fanboy claims of the wii collecting dust like pokemon, nielson reports that the wii is the second most used system behind the ps2. http://kotaku.com/5205249/nielsen-drops-the-ball-on-console-usage-numbers

blue_hazy_basic

do you mean this graph?

Doesn't it show the Wii behind the 360 every month except by a small amount in Jan 09? :?

Nielsen chart 2

Yes and the Wii which gets no multiplayer play time some how is close behind the Xbox360 which has many multiplayer games with thriving comunities.

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#261 genfactor
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[QUOTE="genfactor"]

6) Dispite fanboy claims of the wii collecting dust like pokemon, nielson reports that the wii is the second most used system behind the ps2. http://kotaku.com/5205249/nielsen-drops-the-ball-on-console-usage-numbers

blue_hazy_basic

do you mean this graph?

Doesn't it show the Wii behind the 360 every month except by a small amount in Jan 09? :?

Nielsen chart 2

You are correct. In the past the Wii was behind the 360 as far as usage goes. My point is that a few people on this site talk about their wii collecting dust or not getting used as if it's normal for everyone that owns a wii. I'm talking about the "people buy a wii and play wii sports for one week and never touch it again" comments. This graph disproves that mentality as being universal even though the 360 was used more than the wii was for the previous 12 months.

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#262 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="genfactor"]

6) Dispite fanboy claims of the wii collecting dust like pokemon, nielson reports that the wii is the second most used system behind the ps2. http://kotaku.com/5205249/nielsen-drops-the-ball-on-console-usage-numbers

genfactor

do you mean this graph?

Doesn't it show the Wii behind the 360 every month except by a small amount in Jan 09? :?

Nielsen chart 2

You are correct. In the past the Wii was behind the 360 as far as usage goes. My point is that a few people on this site talk about their wii collecting dust or not getting used as if it's normal for everyone that owns a wii. I'm talking about the "people buy a wii and play wii sports for one week and never touch it again" comments. This graph disproves that mentality as being universal even though the 360 was used more than the wii was for the previous 12 months.

By the numbers of wii's sold you have to guess that most of them are in single console (or with a ps2) homes and there are more of them. Also if you have a younger age group (not saying the Wii only applies to young people) they will have more time than an older one to play games. So you would assume that as a % more time should be spent playing Wii's.

EDIT I don't want to go off topic discussing this graph much,but by saying that because the Wii got played more for 1 month is like cows saying that Japan is Sony land again because of the FF demo spike.

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#264 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

[QUOTE="genfactor"]

6) Dispite fanboy claims of the wii collecting dust like pokemon, nielson reports that the wii is the second most used system behind the ps2. http://kotaku.com/5205249/nielsen-drops-the-ball-on-console-usage-numbers

GundamGuy0

do you mean this graph?

Doesn't it show the Wii behind the 360 every month except by a small amount in Jan 09? :?

Nielsen chart 2

Yes and the Wii which gets no multiplayer play time some how is close behind the Xbox360 which has many multiplayer games with thriving comunities.

What does that say about the PS3 for most of the time being played less than the original xbox? :?

EDIT although that might explain the software sales, or lack of them ...

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#265 -Ichigo1987-
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[QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"]

Lol at PS3 being outsold by a 10 year old machine :lol:

Lol at KZ2 not being in the top 10 in software :lol:

Lol at Cow spin, denial, and damage control :lol:

Lol at Sony for trying to trojan horse a Movie format into a gaming machine and costing them leadership in the gaming consoleindustry :lol:

*edit* And Lol at thread title

-Ichigo1987-

Enjoying your MS company Ferrari?:|

I like how Lems try to make light of PS3 being behind 50k when it costs 200 dollars more than 360. This is embarassing for 360 more so than PS3. 360 has hit mainstream pricing while PS3 hasn't, yet PS3 is right behind 360 in its main territory. Once PS3 hits mainstream pricing, expect 360 to sale significantly less than PS3 on a month to month basis. Doesn't matter if MS drops the price more at this point, its already less money than the Wii and is highly affordable. A price drop wouldn't do 360 too much good, at least not as much good as it would the PS3. But have your fun Lems, Sheep, its not like sales matter a damn anyway. The Games is what its all about, and PS3 is way ahead of the competiion in that regard.

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#266 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="-Ichigo1987-"]

[QUOTE="Erik_Lensherr"]

Lol at PS3 being outsold by a 10 year old machine :lol:

Lol at KZ2 not being in the top 10 in software :lol:

Lol at Cow spin, denial, and damage control :lol:

Lol at Sony for trying to trojan horse a Movie format into a gaming machine and costing them leadership in the gaming consoleindustry :lol:

*edit* And Lol at thread title

-Ichigo1987-

Enjoying your MS company Ferrari?:|

I like how Lems try to make light of PS3 being behind 50k when it costs 200 dollars more than 360. This is embarassing for 360 more so than PS3. 360 has hit mainstream pricing while PS3 hasn't, yet PS3 is right behind 360 in its main territory. Once PS3 hits mainstream pricing, expect 360 to sale significantly less than PS3 on a month to month basis. Doesn't matter if MS drops the price more at this point, its already less money than the Wii and is highly affordable. A price drop wouldn't do 360 too much good, at least not as much good as it would the PS3. But have your fun Lems, Sheep, its not like sales matter a damn anyway. The Games is what its all about, and PS3 is way ahead of the competiion in that regard.

enjoying your Sony company Lada? :P

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#267 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Games is what its all about, and PS3 is way ahead of the competiion in that regard.-Ichigo1987-
Too bad that completely subjective. Sales aren't ;).
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#268 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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enjoying your Sony company Lada? :Pblue_hazy_basic
I don't think Sony can allow themselves a Lada... J/k, J/k :P
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]enjoying your Sony company Lada? :PIronBass
I don't think Sony can allow themselves a Lada... J/k, J/k :P

I dunno the ones from the 80's are pretty cheap now .... :D
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#270 -Ichigo1987-
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]enjoying your Sony company Lada? :PIronBass
I don't think Sony can allow themselves a Lada... J/k, J/k :P

:lol: Sony's worth just as much as MS you know

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#271 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]enjoying your Sony company Lada? :P-Ichigo1987-

I don't think Sony can allow themselves a Lada... J/k, J/k :P

:lol: Sony's worth just as much as MS you know

Did you pay attention to the last financial statements?!?!? :?
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#272 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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:lol: Sony's worth just as much as MS you know-Ichigo1987-
Sony's not even worth as much as Nintendo :?
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#273 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]enjoying your Sony company Lada? :P-Ichigo1987-

I don't think Sony can allow themselves a Lada... J/k, J/k :P

:lol: Sony's worth just as much as MS you know

only in cow land is Sony worth as much as MS.

MS

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT180.40B

Sony

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SNE 26.54B

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#274 JLF1
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[QUOTE="-Ichigo1987-"]:lol: Sony's worth just as much as MS you knowIronBass
Sony's not even worth as much as Nintendo :?



Are you sure about that?

LINK.

Stock price isn't everthing.

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#275 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="-Ichigo1987-"]:lol: Sony's worth just as much as MS you knowJLF1

Sony's not even worth as much as Nintendo :?



Are you sure about that?

LINK.

Stock price isn't everthing.

Thats revenue not net worth ....

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#276 JLF1
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Thats revenue not net worth ....

blue_hazy_basic

I know.

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#277 surrealnumber5
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title should have said ps3 50k less then ps2 as that is the real news, not ps2 and 360 sales are close
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#278 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]

Thats revenue not net worth ....

JLF1

I know.

So whats the relevance when Ironbass is talking about how much a company is worth?

EDIT old link http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601205&sid=ak3dNd164iTs&refer=consumer

but talks about worth and revenue and how Sony has 8 times the revenue but is worth less

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#279 surrealnumber5
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Lets just all beg the WII will soon die...

metalgear-solid
no, its the best thing going console wise and i bet you have a pc so you should be set in happy game land, that is if you had a wii
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#280 mariokart64fan
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that isnt a large drop they all dropped quite equally last month saw 360 do 200 k , , and ps3 is the only one at the same slow steady pace of 100 k ,, its scary that ps2 is out sellng ps3 , i dont feel sorry for sony in any way, they brought this upon them selfs and they caused 2 great developiing studios to pay the price,, , free radical-haze factor 5 -lair , ,

pretty much sums it up , ,

the wii is still selling 2x the ps3s or 360s , so their just fine its because the dsi ,, mainly ,i expect the wii to continue to sell very well stateside

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#281 mariokart64fan
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i find it funny how people post usage charts- no one can tell me what console i play, only i know lol

by the way my wii was used last night , , so you want to know if my wii eats dust -it doesnt , nor does my ps3 or my 360 that wont ever change the fact wii is out on top ,

get over it, , nothing the 360 can do to pass wii either their already cheaper , , and still not making an effort

and sonys just playing house , lol , dont expect sony to lower the price of the ps3 without lowering value , ,

as they did in the past , ,

they went from bc to no bc from 4 usb ports to 2 usb ports pretty soon if they do a price drop expect no ethernet port ,or somthing else missing ,

because they are playing house , lol

they may be doing ok- not great in their home country in fact the last weeks sales ps3 just barely nicked wii , , by a thousand units

if this continues wii would be back on top as if it isnt already overall wii isso still japans leader by over 5 million units

in all honestly a price cut wont even help sony,

they would need exclusives, because almost every hardcore gamer has a 360 already, a wii on the side only a slight few like my self have alll 3

so its gonna be pretty hard for sony to gain any grounds, 3 yrs in is to little to late, ,

i could see if they made the effort in yr 2 then , ya it be doable but 3 yrs streight being behind , going on four , ,

they only got a little time left until wii 2 is coming , so brace your self ,

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#282 rybe1025
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[QUOTE="-Ichigo1987-"]

[QUOTE="IronBass"] I don't think Sony can allow themselves a Lada... J/k, J/k :PFizzman

:lol: Sony's worth just as much as MS you know

only in cow land is Sony worth as much as MS.

MS

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MSFT180.40B

Sony

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=SNE 26.54B

I can not believe how many times I see people say Sony is worth more then Microsoft. I mean just look at those links and it is not even kinda close.

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#283 deactivated-63f6895020e66
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Are you sure about that?JLF1

Yes, yes I am.

Nintendo Market Cap: 37.92 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/nintendo-co-ltd-unsp-adr/ntdoy/nao

Sony Market Cap: 26.57 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/sony-corporation/sne/nys

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#284 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]Are you sure about that?IronBass

Yes, yes I am.

Nintendo Market Cap: 37.92 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/nintendo-co-ltd-unsp-adr/ntdoy/nao

Sony Market Cap: 26.57 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/sony-corporation/sne/nys

i thought it had been this way since late 07 early 08 when there was a published story about this
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

Are you sure about that?JLF1

Yes, yes I am.

Nintendo Market Cap: 37.92 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/nintendo-co-ltd-unsp-adr/ntdoy/nao

Sony Market Cap: 26.57 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/sony-corporation/sne/nys

i thought it had been this way since late 07 early 08 when there was a published story about this

I put the link on the last page :) *helpful and stuff*
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#286 surrealnumber5
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[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="IronBass"]

Yes, yes I am.

Nintendo Market Cap: 37.92 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/nintendo-co-ltd-unsp-adr/ntdoy/nao

Sony Market Cap: 26.57 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/sony-corporation/sne/nys

blue_hazy_basic

i thought it had been this way since late 07 early 08 when there was a published story about this

I put the link on the last page :) *helpful and stuff*

so it was mid 07 my how time flys when youre having fun

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#287 600pc
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[QUOTE="DonPerian"][QUOTE="dgsag"] PS2 nearly outsold the 360...JLF1

It's also a hundred dollars cheaper.

So is the 360 compared to the PS3.

wow at PS3 costing 200$ more!
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#288 600pc
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[QUOTE="JLF1"]Are you sure about that?IronBass

Yes, yes I am.

Nintendo Market Cap: 37.92 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/nintendo-co-ltd-unsp-adr/ntdoy/nao

Sony Market Cap: 26.57 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/sony-corporation/sne/nys

actually sony is worth more. you have to look at their Total assets. sony 200 Billion (2009) microsoft 72.793 billion (2008)
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#290 GundamGuy0
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[QUOTE="IronBass"]

[QUOTE="JLF1"]Are you sure about that?600pc

Yes, yes I am.

Nintendo Market Cap: 37.92 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/nintendo-co-ltd-unsp-adr/ntdoy/nao

Sony Market Cap: 26.57 B.

http://finance.aol.com/quotes/sony-corporation/sne/nys

actually sony is worth more. you have to look at their Total assets. sony 200 Billion (2009) microsoft 72.793 billion (2008)

So they have tons of assets but aren't doing anything with them... I guess that's why their Market Capitalization is so low...
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#291 audioaxes
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rofl the thread title is epic damage control fail

PS2 sells as much as 360? how about PS2 outsells PS3

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#292 Zero5000X
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hmm well this month inFAMOUS is coming out so that could potential give the PS3 a bump in sales.
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#293 gago-gago
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E3 is in North America right? I wonder if they'll talk about these recent NPD numbers there.

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#294 6eniu5
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This thread show how much Cows embarass themselves by trying to spin the facts. 1. 360 sales 2. PS2 sales 3.PS3 sales MS hightest market value Nintendo second highest market value Sony last place highest market value
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#295 -Traveller-
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This thread show how much Cows embarass themselves by trying to spin the facts. 1. 360 sales 2. PS2 sales 3.PS3 sales MS hightest market value Nintendo second highest market value Sony last place highest market value6eniu5

Why'd you need a new account to say that? The phraseology and level shows you as a somewhat experienced poster.

This is spin on the Cow's half. Though it's still impressive that the PS2 is selling.

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#296 6eniu5
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[QUOTE="6eniu5"]This thread show how much Cows embarass themselves by trying to spin the facts. 1. 360 sales 2. PS2 sales 3.PS3 sales MS hightest market value Nintendo second highest market value Sony last place highest market value-Traveller-

Why'd you need a new account to say that? The phraseology and level shows you as a somewhat experienced poster.

This is spin on the Cow's half. Though it's still impressive that the PS2 is selling.

No I'm new. I just pick things up very quickly. (6eniu5)
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#297 nervmeister
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hmm well this month inFAMOUS is coming out so that could potential give the PS3 a bump in sales.Zero5000X
If it's advertised the right way then perhaps. Personally, I wouldn't get my hopes up.
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#298 Thornorway
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When i look at the saleschart of how the consoles sell it amazes me that the Playstation 3 is doing so bad compared to 360 and Wii when we see thread after thread who have the subject of how good and well the Playstation 3 is and it have a better lineup of games, It have allready gotten alot of good games but still it dont outsell the 360 and Wii.

I wonder if the PS3 ever will catch up on Wii or 360 since week after week they fall further and further behind and for the last years we have heard that the ps3 will come if you have long enough to wait for that to happen.

I am wondering why the ps3 sells so badly compared to the other 2 is it a proof that consumers dont care about high definiton games and with the ability to play movies in a whole new way cause of the buildt in blu-ray and have a free online oppurtunity to play their games online.

And it dont really suprise me that the ps2 still sells alot of console, abit ironic but it seem that the ps2 is kind of like a stumbling block for the ps3 along with the wii and the 360 and as long as Sony have the lifesupport on for the ps2 i dont think the ps3 will improve in their sales chart for the foreseeable future. I can only see a temporary boost in the sales as their big blockblusters exclusives are released but not a permanent sales boost.

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#299 Mystery_Writer
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hehe.. TC trying to distract people from looking at PS3 sales.. :P