Are you expecting a significant graphical leap with next-gen consoles?

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#151 ChubbyGuy40
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In the 360 video, Withcer 2 runs in a mixed medium/high setting clearly

I am a computer engineer BTW, with a PhD (in a few months) and years in graphics, so i know very well what i see

For example, the light beams in Withcer 2 xbox video are from high PC setting, do you deny it ?

I must remind i have the game on PC, so i know exactly the settings and what they offer

Witcher 2 video on 360

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

This is definatly above medium on PC, far above even

loosingENDS

Could you post any more bull**** statements? :lol:

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#152 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

In the 360 video, Withcer 2 runs in a mixed medium/high setting clearly

I am a computer engineer BTW, with a PhD (in a few months) and years in graphics, so i know very well what i see

For example, the light beams in Withcer 2 xbox video are from high PC setting, do you deny it ?

I must remind i have the game on PC, so i know exactly the settings and what they offer

Witcher 2 video on 360

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

This is definatly above medium on PC, far above even

ChubbyGuy40

Could you post any more bull**** statements? :lol:

What do you mean ?

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#153 Xplode_games
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Carmack says no.

KiZZo1

You misunderstood him. He's not saying consoles will not be a lot more advanced. In fact, he states they will have 10X more processing power.

What he means is that current console graphics are so far evolved, that there are only a few things that can be achieved graphically that will make a huge difference. In his opinion, you probably won't see a huge improvement as you did in the past even with dramatically improved processing power.

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#154 silversix_
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Not because i think MS with it stupid Kinect will chose Wii path and Sony will not invest anything close to what they invested on ps3 and lost millions. That's why next gen will probably suck. Meh graphics with good gameplay is an okay game. Amazing graphics with good gameplay is an awesome game because graphics will enhance the experience a lot.
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#155 Shinobi120
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@silversix_:

I highly doubt that MS will be dumb enough to make Kinect a huge focus for their next gen console. If anything, they will most likely focus on both markets. And besides, nobody's going to care about Kinect anymore in another year or two from now.

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#156 soulitane
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:)

It is not a frame per minute, i dont render Avatar

It is very slow, but i can still move around and see the image quality, the only thing i cant see clearly is motion blur effect, but when i am standing i see exactly what one with a 10.000$ PC sees

loosingENDS

Avatar rendered at a much slower rate than that just so you know. Can you show any proof that you PC could run the game at high or more because again if I remember the specs you posted a while back correctly I'm doubting your computer could. Also are you insinuating that you would need a $10,000 PC to max this game because that doesn't sound like something a "computer technician" would say. Also if you are in graphics as you say wouldn't you need a much better PC?

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#157 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]:)

It is not a frame per minute, i dont render Avatar

It is very slow, but i can still move around and see the image quality, the only thing i cant see clearly is motion blur effect, but when i am standing i see exactly what one with a 10.000$ PC sees

soulitane

Avatar rendered at a much slower rate than that just so you know. Can you show any proof that you PC could run the game at high or more because again if I remember the specs you posted a while back correctly I'm doubting your computer could. Also are you insinuating that you would need a $10,000 PC to max this game because that doesn't sound like something a "computer technician" would say. Also if you are in graphics as you say wouldn't you need a much better PC?

indeed, smells like a pile of you know what to me

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#158 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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MS will focus on Kinect. They are pushing that tech LIKE CRAZY. It is being advertised all over the place--for games, and other areas as well. They want that thing to succeed.

Sony will have a large graphical leap. Proof? Ask yourself this; Would you buy a ps4 if it did NOT offer a large graphical leap? What is the point if it does not? Graphics will be a key factor for certain next gen players.

WiiU? I'll visit the daycare tomorrow morning and get back to you.

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#159 fireballonfire
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

In the 360 video, Withcer 2 runs in a mixed medium/high setting clearly

I am a computer engineer BTW, with a PhD (in a few months) and years in graphics, so i know very well what i see

For example, the light beams in Withcer 2 xbox video are from high PC setting, do you deny it ?

I must remind i have the game on PC, so i know exactly the settings and what they offer

Witcher 2 video on 360

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

This is definatly above medium on PC, far above even

loosingENDS

Could you post any more bull**** statements? :lol:

What do you mean ?

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

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#160 04dcarraher
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

Could you post any more bull**** statements? :lol:

fireballonfire

What do you mean ?

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

There is no way 360 can run the game all on high settings let alone all medium... the 360 can not handle more then around 256mb of video data at any given time, The Witcher 2 all on high settings can use more then 900mb of video memory. and all medium settings uses more the 512mb of memory..... if loosing ends is a computer engineer then i am Geralt.... he has no knowledge about computer hardware and comes out with outrageous claims about what console can do which they can not. he is clearly a consoler with delusions of grandeur about what a console is and can do...

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#161 RyviusARC
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[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

What do you mean ?

04dcarraher

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

There is no way 360 can run the game all on high settings let alone all medium... the 360 can not handle more then around 256mb of video data at any given time, The Witcher 2 all on high settings can use more then 900mb of video memory. and all medium settings uses more the 512mb of memory..... if loosing ends is a computer engineer then i am Geralt.... he has no knowledge about computer hardware and comes out with outrageous claims about what console can do which they can not. he is clearly a consoler with delusions of grandeur about what a console is and can do...

I don't know why people even spend time arguing with LoosingENDS. He is a known ban dodger and Xbox 360 fanboy. He even said things like Crysis 1 on consoles being superior to Crysis 1 PC.
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#162 MuayThaiFTW
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[QUOTE="nunovlopes"]

ROFL

Do you really think MS/Sony will release consoles at a huge loss like they did this gen? In this economic climate? When they see that the biggest sellers are not the most advanced graphics-wise?

loosingENDS



If I remember your specs correctly, then I doubt your PC could handle the game even at high, it would be more like a frame per minute. Even then it would be quite hard for you to actually see the full effects whilst playing a slide show me thinks.

soulitane


:)

It is not a frame per minute, i dont render Avatar

It is very slow, but i can still move around and see the image quality, the only thing i cant see clearly is motion blur effect, but when i am standing i see exactly what one with a 10.000$ PC sees

Hahahahahahahahahaha

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#163 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

RyviusARC

There is no way 360 can run the game all on high settings let alone all medium... the 360 can not handle more then around 256mb of video data at any given time, The Witcher 2 all on high settings can use more then 900mb of video memory. and all medium settings uses more the 512mb of memory..... if loosing ends is a computer engineer then i am Geralt.... he has no knowledge about computer hardware and comes out with outrageous claims about what console can do which they can not. he is clearly a consoler with delusions of grandeur about what a console is and can do...

I don't know why people even spend time arguing with LoosingENDS. He is a known ban dodger and Xbox 360 fanboy. He even said things like Crysis 1 on consoles being superior to Crysis 1 PC.

time passes, people forget he's an alt account
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#164 Adamantium4k2
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[QUOTE="Adamantium4k2"]

[QUOTE="Adversary16"]

With next-gen consoles looming up ahead, I think it's time for some wild speculation! - http://www.computerandvideogames.com/326289/xbox-720-to-arrive-in-2012-edge-source/

Personally, I think launch titles will just look like the best games on PC, or slightly better.

Cheese-Muffins

Try in another 4 or 5 years......

Nope.

Next Generation To Arrive In 2012

Ubisoft Montreal currently working with next-generation Xbox devkits; major Sony studio shifts focus to new PlayStation.

Ubisoft Montreal is hard at work on 'target boxes' based on the intended specifications of Microsoft's Xbox 360 successor, according to an Edge source. Delivery of the first iteration of genuine devkits, running custom hardware, is expected to reach studios before Christmas, and all signs point to the finalised console arriving at retail in late 2012.

EDGE


http://www.next-gen.biz/news/next-generation-arrive-2012

Anyway, I doubt we'll see that big of an upgrade like we're used to. It's just too expensive.

More rumers and speculation my friend. You honestly believe we will see all three next gen consoles next year with readily available software titles?:lol: Aside from a live playable demo of the WiiU, your gonna be set up for a big dissapontment next year.....

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#165 Truth_Hurts_U
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People saying no... WOW. Just like they thought PS2 was never going to get better... PC already looks miles better then consoles. Epic already show cased their new engine and it looks awesome. Just a res and AA bump will make alot of games look better. Your going to have greater texture res, veriety and depth. Bigger worlds, better physics, AI and solid frames. Now... None of this wont be true if they all pull a Wii this coming gen.
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#166 GunSmith1_basic
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[QUOTE="Truth_Hurts_U"]People saying no... WOW. Just like they thought PS2 was never going to get better... PC already looks miles better then consoles. Epic already show cased their new engine and it looks awesome. Just a res and AA bump will make alot of games look better. Your going to have greater texture res, veriety and depth. Bigger worlds, better physics, AI and solid frames. Now... None of this wont be true if they all pull a Wii this coming gen.

they will look better, but will they BE better? Will the graphical leap translate to improved gameplay like the SNES/Genesis gen transformed into the PS/N64 gen? I very much doubt it
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#167 Riverwolf007
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the next gen consoles will probably look like a mid range pc built last year so i guess my answer is yes, i expect a big improvement.

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#168 loosingENDS
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Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

fireballonfire

Well, there is a video of the 360 version

VIDEO on 360: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

Here is clearly running in medium/high mixed setting, which is what developers have said also

So, no, Withcer 2 wont run in min - med, because is 100% confirmed to run in mid-high right now, by an actual video and the developers

Also the textures look fine and the lighting is spectacular, all the detail seems to be there too

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#169 tenaka2
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[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

loosingENDS

Well, there is a video of the 360 version

VIDEO on 360: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

Here is clearly running in medium/high mixed setting, which is what developers have said also

So, no, Withcer 2 wont run in min - med, because is 100% confirmed to run in mid-high right now, by an actual video and the developers

Also the textures look fine and the lighting is spectacular

you cant judge a game from a badly compressed youtube vid, it will be very cut down and run in subHD, it will still be good but will run nothing like the PC version.

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#170 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

tenaka2

Well, there is a video of the 360 version

VIDEO on 360: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

Here is clearly running in medium/high mixed setting, which is what developers have said also

So, no, Withcer 2 wont run in min - med, because is 100% confirmed to run in mid-high right now, by an actual video and the developers

Also the textures look fine and the lighting is spectacular

you cant judge a game from a badly compressed youtube vid, it will be very cut down and run in subHD, it will still be good but will run nothing like the PC version.

This is a 360 video, so of course i can judge from that

The fact that looks so good in the compressed video, means will look 10x better in the real thing and of course this is an early video too

Also runs in 720p, unless you have a link with proof of the subHD assumption

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#171 Sushiglutton
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Yes, otherwise they will be hard to sell. I hope for more visual effects, better animations, more realistic faces, interactive enviroments, more and improved AI:s etc. I'm confident next gen will be glorious as every other gen has been :)!
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#173 dontshackzmii
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720 seems pretty powerful so far 2 gpus and 6 core cpu. But if the leep is small then consoles will really hold back the pc next gen. Most devs dont want to make a black buster game just for pc.

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#174 loosingENDS
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720 seems pretty powerful so far 2 gpus and 6 core cpu. But if the leep is small then consoles will really hold back the pc next gen. Most devs dont want to make a black buster game just for pc.

dontshackzmii

I dont see how the leap could be small

It uses 6 cores and 2 GPUs, instead of 3 cores and one GPU on 360 and those will be highest end parts 8 whole years after xbox 360 ones

And 4x times the RAM size of 360

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I think we will get an infinite graphics leap with those, games will definatly look 10x better than the best on PC today

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#175 mitu123
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[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

loosingENDS

Well, there is a video of the 360 version

VIDEO on 360: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

Here is clearly running in medium/high mixed setting, which is what developers have said also

So, no, Withcer 2 wont run in min - med, because is 100% confirmed to run in mid-high right now, by an actual video and the developers

Also the textures look fine and the lighting is spectacular, all the detail seems to be there too

Lol, it's mostly medium with some high by that vid, it doesn't even have any Ultra settings.

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#176 mitu123
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[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

720 seems pretty powerful so far 2 gpus and 6 core cpu. But if the leep is small then consoles will really hold back the pc next gen. Most devs dont want to make a black buster game just for pc.

loosingENDS

I dont see how the leap could be small

It uses 6 cores and 2 GPUs, instead of 3 cores and one GPU on 360 and those will be highest end parts 8 whole years after xbox 360 ones

And 4x times the RAM size of 360

.

I think we will get an infinite graphics leap with those, games will definatly look 10x better than the best on PC today

What are these 2 gpus you speak of?

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#177 wis3boi
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="dontshackzmii"]

720 seems pretty powerful so far 2 gpus and 6 core cpu. But if the leep is small then consoles will really hold back the pc next gen. Most devs dont want to make a black buster game just for pc.

mitu123

I dont see how the leap could be small

It uses 6 cores and 2 GPUs, instead of 3 cores and one GPU on 360 and those will be highest end parts 8 whole years after xbox 360 ones

And 4x times the RAM size of 360

.

I think we will get an infinite graphics leap with those, games will definatly look 10x better than the best on PC today

What are these 2 gpus you speak of?

A dream of overheating and RRODs
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#178 loosingENDS
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[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="fireballonfire"]

Looking at a youtube video of a game we don't even know what it will look like when released or if it even will in fact be released is not the way to go.

Witcher 2 on 360 will run min - med, 720p and no AA, 25 fps at best. If Crysis is something to draw conclusions from, terrible textures, draw distances etc. etc.

mitu123

Well, there is a video of the 360 version

VIDEO on 360: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtJ7uXktqEg

Here is clearly running in medium/high mixed setting, which is what developers have said also

So, no, Withcer 2 wont run in min - med, because is 100% confirmed to run in mid-high right now, by an actual video and the developers

Also the textures look fine and the lighting is spectacular, all the detail seems to be there too

Lol, it's mostly medium with some high by that vid, it doesn't even have any Ultra settings.

Agreed, it is medium/high mixed setting, i never said otherwise

But that setting is still spectacular on PC and definatly something unique on consoles, the game still looks epic in that setting and could well be the best console graphics this generation

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#179 Kinthalis
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Are the consolites in this thread for real?

Do people relaly think Ms will somehow conjure up the equivalent of two GTX 580's in SLI and a next gen 6 core intel processor in a frame the size of a console and at a $399 price point?

I want whatever they're smoking!

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#180 ChiefFreeman
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No, and honestly, I don't want a giant leap. Let consoles be consoles, no matter what, they will never surpass the PC in pure technical power, but they don't have to either. Just focus on making games that play good, not look good.

calvinsora

Give me a break. This has to be the dumbest thing I've heard. Game visuals make a significant jump EVERY generation and the next consoles will be no different. It's a given, and to expet otherwise is foolish. It's 1/2 of why we pay several hundred bucks for a new console every 5,6,7 years. Everyone agrees about making games play good. No one wants bad games. But we should demand better playing AND looking games.

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#181 simomate
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From the rumors coming out, it doesn't look like it. I'm betting the Wii U will be indicative of the power of both Microsoft and Sony's consoles.PurpleMan5000
Its 4-5 times more powerful apparenty. (Not confirmed)

If the next-gen consoles will do real 1080p resolution with AA and AF to boot? Sure. It'll do a 1080p TV justice to have consoles that can max it out instead of mere upscaling.

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Wii-U can do that.

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#182 chaflifi
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The leap will be just as big going from Xbox to Xbox 360, ps2 to ps3. The GPU in the 360 has only 40 stream processors, my HD4850 has 800 stream processors with higher clocks, faster memory, and more memory, so the jump is 20x alone just with my GPU comparing it to the Xenos GPU. Now im not saying the next Xbox will use the 4850, im just making a statement, im sure they'll use a customized 5800 series or even customized 6 series ATI GPU which will make the graphics a million times better alone. That with a 6 core CPU with a drastically improved architecture, alot more ram running at higher clock speeds, all on 28nm 3d transistor planar technology will make the graphics extremely good in my opinion. They will be really good too because no ones playign higher then 1080p which graphics card can handle pretty easily so theres even more room for graphic improvements. Say if you had a PC with the same exact specs as the 360, xenos gpu, 3 core cpu, 512mb ram, and you had a 360. Games on the 360 will look better then it would on the PC with the same exact specs, you wanna know why? Because games released on PC arent made for certain specs, there made for a very broad range of specs that people have, as for the 360 they can completely refine everything and optimize everything alot more. Now think about it, say if the 720 had a 3.2 ghz 6 core cpu with 2 gigs of ram and lets say a 5 series custom ATI chip, graphics will look extremely good, maybe even as good as battlefield 3 on ultra. this is just my 2 cents
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#183 SW__Troll
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Are the consolites in this thread for real?

Do people relaly think Ms will somehow conjure up the equivalent of two GTX 580's in SLI and a next gen 6 core intel processor in a frame the size of a console and at a $399 price point?

I want whatever they're smoking!

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I want in on that.

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The leap will be just as big going from Xbox to Xbox 360, ps2 to ps3. The GPU in the 360 has only 40 stream processors, my HD4850 has 800 stream processors with higher clocks, faster memory, and more memory, so the jump is 20x alone just with my GPU comparing it to the Xenos GPU. Now im not saying the next Xbox will use the 4850, im just making a statement, im sure they'll use a customized 5800 series or even customized 6 series ATI GPU which will make the graphics a million times better alone. That with a 6 core CPU with a drastically improved architecture, alot more ram running at higher clock speeds, all on 28nm 3d transistor planar technology will make the graphics extremely good in my opinion. They will be really good too because no ones playign higher then 1080p which graphics card can handle pretty easily so theres even more room for graphic improvements. Say if you had a PC with the same exact specs as the 360, xenos gpu, 3 core cpu, 512mb ram, and you had a 360. Games on the 360 will look better then it would on the PC with the same exact specs, you wanna know why? Because games released on PC arent made for certain specs, there made for a very broad range of specs that people have, as for the 360 they can completely refine everything and optimize everything alot more. Now think about it, say if the 720 had a 3.2 ghz 6 core cpu with 2 gigs of ram and lets say a 5 series custom ATI chip, graphics will look extremely good, maybe even as good as battlefield 3 on ultra. this is just my 2 cents chaflifi

360's has 48 stream processors but they are in 1 scalar + 1 vec4 format i.e.processing 96 instructions and 240 data payload per cycle. GPU clocked at 500Mhz.

Radeon HD 4850 has 160 stream processors but they are VLIW5 format i.e. 160 x 5 = 800 scalar stream processors. It processes 800 instructions and 800 data payload per cycle. GPU clocked about 625 Mhz.

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#185 chaflifi
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[QUOTE="chaflifi"]The leap will be just as big going from Xbox to Xbox 360, ps2 to ps3. The GPU in the 360 has only 40 stream processors, my HD4850 has 800 stream processors with higher clocks, faster memory, and more memory, so the jump is 20x alone just with my GPU comparing it to the Xenos GPU. Now im not saying the next Xbox will use the 4850, im just making a statement, im sure they'll use a customized 5800 series or even customized 6 series ATI GPU which will make the graphics a million times better alone. That with a 6 core CPU with a drastically improved architecture, alot more ram running at higher clock speeds, all on 28nm 3d transistor planar technology will make the graphics extremely good in my opinion. They will be really good too because no ones playign higher then 1080p which graphics card can handle pretty easily so theres even more room for graphic improvements. Say if you had a PC with the same exact specs as the 360, xenos gpu, 3 core cpu, 512mb ram, and you had a 360. Games on the 360 will look better then it would on the PC with the same exact specs, you wanna know why? Because games released on PC arent made for certain specs, there made for a very broad range of specs that people have, as for the 360 they can completely refine everything and optimize everything alot more. Now think about it, say if the 720 had a 3.2 ghz 6 core cpu with 2 gigs of ram and lets say a 5 series custom ATI chip, graphics will look extremely good, maybe even as good as battlefield 3 on ultra. this is just my 2 cents ronvalencia
360's has 48 stream processors but they are in 1 scalar + 1 vec4 forma i.e.processing 96 instructions and 240 data payload per cycle. Radeon HD 4850 has 160 stream processors but they are VLIW5 format i.e. 160 x 5 = 800 scalar stream processors. It processes 800 instructions and 800 data payload per cycle.

true, but the 4850 destroys the Xenos GPU alone
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Next gen is going to be very underwhelming for most of you.
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#187 jer_1
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It won't be a very substantial jump. Dealing with the diminishing returns that we see in even the most powerful PC's it's pretty obvious that consoles aren't going to be that much better. You're still better off buying a high end PC now than waiting a year + for a console that will immediately not be at the top of the pack when it's released. Of course, if simplicity is your goal then definitely go console. I will give consoles a thumbs up for not being total dbags when it comes to DRM, we PC gamers don't get that luxury...until we break the DRM at least!!! >:D
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#188 chaflifi
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Next gen is going to be very underwhelming for most of you.ActionRemix
There's going to be a big improvement, i dont know what you guys are talking about.
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="chaflifi"]The leap will be just as big going from Xbox to Xbox 360, ps2 to ps3. The GPU in the 360 has only 40 stream processors, my HD4850 has 800 stream processors with higher clocks, faster memory, and more memory, so the jump is 20x alone just with my GPU comparing it to the Xenos GPU. Now im not saying the next Xbox will use the 4850, im just making a statement, im sure they'll use a customized 5800 series or even customized 6 series ATI GPU which will make the graphics a million times better alone. That with a 6 core CPU with a drastically improved architecture, alot more ram running at higher clock speeds, all on 28nm 3d transistor planar technology will make the graphics extremely good in my opinion. They will be really good too because no ones playign higher then 1080p which graphics card can handle pretty easily so theres even more room for graphic improvements. Say if you had a PC with the same exact specs as the 360, xenos gpu, 3 core cpu, 512mb ram, and you had a 360. Games on the 360 will look better then it would on the PC with the same exact specs, you wanna know why? Because games released on PC arent made for certain specs, there made for a very broad range of specs that people have, as for the 360 they can completely refine everything and optimize everything alot more. Now think about it, say if the 720 had a 3.2 ghz 6 core cpu with 2 gigs of ram and lets say a 5 series custom ATI chip, graphics will look extremely good, maybe even as good as battlefield 3 on ultra. this is just my 2 cents chaflifi
360's has 48 stream processors but they are in 1 scalar + 1 vec4 forma i.e.processing 96 instructions and 240 data payload per cycle. Radeon HD 4850 has 160 stream processors but they are VLIW5 format i.e. 160 x 5 = 800 scalar stream processors. It processes 800 instructions and 800 data payload per cycle.

true, but the 4850 destroys the Xenos GPU alone

My post was showing 4850 beating the Xenos GPU.

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i do not care about current console graphics much as much as for FRAMES PER SECOND. some console games have really low fps. the norm is 20-25 fps whcih is unacceptable, this gen is way off in it's expectations...

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#191 chaflifi
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[QUOTE="chaflifi"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] 360's has 48 stream processors but they are in 1 scalar + 1 vec4 forma i.e.processing 96 instructions and 240 data payload per cycle. Radeon HD 4850 has 160 stream processors but they are VLIW5 format i.e. 160 x 5 = 800 scalar stream processors. It processes 800 instructions and 800 data payload per cycle.ronvalencia

true, but the 4850 destroys the Xenos GPU alone

My post was showing 4850 beating the Xenos GPU.

Yeah i know lol, people dont get that consoles are far more optimized then pc's for games
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Next gen is going to be very underwhelming for most of you.chaflifi
There's going to be a big improvement, i dont know what you guys are talking about.

Don't think you really understand why it's not going to be. High end PC's are already more powerful than what you're going to get with the PS4 or the X720, they aren't even mind blowing really. Don't get me wrong they look very good, but none of it is that amazing really. Don't get your hopes up man...
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Next gen is going to be very underwhelming for most of you.chaflifi
There's going to be a big improvement, i dont know what you guys are talking about.

Wii U is going to be half as powerful as a good PC from 2011. That's about five times more powerful than the 360/PS3. Half of a generational leap. The Xbox is very likely to be much less powerful than the Wii U and the PS4 shouldn't be far above the Wii U. This is all due to cost concerns. Microsoft and Sony lost a tremendous amount of money this gen.
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#194 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="chaflifi"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Next gen is going to be very underwhelming for most of you.ActionRemix
There's going to be a big improvement, i dont know what you guys are talking about.

Wii U is going to be half as powerful as a good PC from 2011. That's about five times more powerful than the 360/PS3. Half of a generational leap. The Xbox is very likely to be much less powerful than the Wii U and the PS4 shouldn't be far above the Wii U. This is all due to cost concerns. Microsoft and Sony lost a tremendous amount of money this gen.

Mid-range AMD Radeon HD 7700 Cayman type GPU will kill Radeon HD 4870.
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#195 KalDurenik
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I dont think it will be that big. Sure it will improve but not by as much as some people here are dreaming about.
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#196 ActionRemix
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Basically, look at the Wii U tech demos. That's what you're going to get. I'm impressed with them, but a lot of you are expecting the Samaritan demo and you're not getting that.
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#197 chaflifi
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[QUOTE="chaflifi"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]Next gen is going to be very underwhelming for most of you.jer_1
There's going to be a big improvement, i dont know what you guys are talking about.

Don't think you really understand why it's not going to be. High end PC's are already more powerful than what you're going to get with the PS4 or the X720, they aren't even mind blowing really. Don't get me wrong they look very good, but none of it is that amazing really. Don't get your hopes up man...

Yeah its not mind blowing because there not just focusing on the high end hardware, they have to make optimization for all the specs out there, if you had a console with the top of the line pc hardware they would be able to make games even look better then they do now because its just one set of hardware specs they have to work with so more improvements will be there.
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#198 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="chaflifi"] true, but the 4850 destroys the Xenos GPU alonechaflifi

My post was showing 4850 beating the Xenos GPU.

Yeah i know lol, people dont get that consoles are far more optimized then pc's for games

BattleField 3 PC uses DX11 compute shader model 5.0.

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#199 chaflifi
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[QUOTE="chaflifi"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] My post was showing 4850 beating the Xenos GPU.

ronvalencia

Yeah i know lol, people dont get that consoles are far more optimized then pc's for games

BattleField 3 PC uses DX11 compute shader model 5.0.

Yeah, im sure microsoft will have DX11 in there next xbox, i dont see why they wouldnt
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#200 ActionRemix
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This is next gen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OHUwDShrD4