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#251 JangoWuzHere
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@samusbeliskner said:

@the_master_race: Yes, I know. The console version has better looking water. Why anyone would ever care about that is beyond me.

Console versions also have better:

-Textures

-Depth of field

-Ambient Occlusion

I spent a lot more money on my PC then my PS4. Everyone should expect the PC version to look and run the best. Anyone who disagrees with that is out of their mind.

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#252  Edited By princeofshapeir
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Rocksteady has made a more detailed response. Prepare to rage. If this game hadn't come with my 970 I'd have refunded it ASAP after reading this horseshit: they literally state the game is intended to run at 30 FPS and be on par with current-gen consoles (which isn't even true because the PC version looks WORSE than the PS4 version).

The Recommended Spec is intended to deliver an experience on par with the current generation of gaming platforms.

For an optimal experience, users with recommended spec hardware should not set their resolution higher than 1080p.

...

We do not recommend that users change anything in the game’s .ini files as this will potentially negatively impact performance, including frame rate, and stability.

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#253 freedomfreak
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@princeofshapeir:

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#254 X_CAPCOM_X
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@ReadingRainbow4 said:
@parkurtommo said:
@ReadingRainbow4 said:

I'm so sick of this Denuvo trash. Iron Galaxy are some fucking clowns.

I wouldn't be so quick to blame Iron Galaxy. Considering they ported Bioshock Infinite, which was a very decent port. Of course, witchhunting or misguided hate wouldn't be an issue if this situation were actually transparent. Instead we have this wall of PR bullshit between us and the truth.

My guess is they wanted to launch it along with the console versions. As to why this is, I'm not sure. Pre orders wouldn't go anywhere if they delayed the game a few weeks.

Yeah, maybe that wasn't entirely fair. it's probably a multifaceted problem.

Still, **** Denuvo. I'll stand by that.

No it's Iron Galaxy. They also have a really cruddy reputation among arcade gamers. The port of Vampire Savior/Vampire Hunter to PS3 and 360 has less features than the PS2 version that released in Japan over 10 years ago. It's almost completely arcade perfect, but it still has strange things happening e.g. weird music loops on the character select screen and such.

Most importantly, their handling of Street Fighter III third strike online was just awful in many respects. It took them over a year to patch so many glitches, and some requests still remain unanswered to this day. Unfortunately it is the most arcade perfect version of the game, so we have to deal.

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#255 R4gn4r0k
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@Blabadon: #consolemasterrace

Why ? Because console gamers are running this at 60fps?

Or are they running all the graphical stuff that is bringing the fps down?

How exactly are console gamers better off in this situation? All this stuff that PC gamers are not getting with this pc version is stuff that is always absent in console versions.

So if you want to settle for less,... Well, you're still better off with the pc version :)

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#256 mjorh
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Rocksteady has let me down ...smh... First it was PC version being unplayable , now it's PC version having lower graphics fidelity than consoles...man wtf ...

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#257 eNT1TY
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Mine is downloading as i write this, playing above 1080p at 21:9 aspect ratio seems like something i may not be doing (acceptably) from what i'm reading, shame. Might actually just let it sit there for a week or so and see if patches address some of the issues while i finish off witcher 3. Wonder if sli is also still bugged.

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#258  Edited By the_master_race
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@JangoWuzHere said:
@samusbeliskner said:

@the_master_race: Yes, I know. The console version has better looking water. Why anyone would ever care about that is beyond me.

Console versions also have better:

-Textures

-Depth of field

-Ambient Occlusion

I spent a lot more money on my PC then my PS4. Everyone should expect the PC version to look and run the best. Anyone who disagrees with that is out of their mind.

I don’t know what frustrates me more, Batman being a whacky port or the people who still buying this whacky port. the story of half-assed port games on steam should end right here, PC gamers had enough of this shit , can’t believe RockSteady outsourced their biggest and only title to a console developer like Iron Galaxy after their big screw-up with Arkham Origins …SMDH

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#259 HalcyonScarlet
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Lol man, if there's one thing I'm learning from this gen, it's that I have got to stop early adopting.

You couldn't make it up, everything from consoles to the games have been shit straight out of the door.

Even this one game I've been counting on, from a developer that hadn't let me down before.

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#260 jg4xchamp
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@R4gn4r0k said:

@Blabadon: #consolemasterrace

Why ? Because console gamers are running this at 60fps?

Or are they running all the graphical stuff that is bringing the fps down?

How exactly are console gamers better off in this situation? All this stuff that PC gamers are not getting with this pc version is stuff that is always absent in console versions.

So if you want to settle for less,... Well, you're still better off with the pc version :)

No one is running this game actually at 60 frames between the stuttering or the frame variance, and that's even on strong cards like a TitanX or sli set ups. The PC port is missing basic graphics features like AO, lighting and rain shaders, lower textures, and the consoles get that locked at 30, but the PC's only advantage right now is a higher resolution and a console 60 frames, not a real 60.

The port sucks. The bugs, the memory leakage, the part where no matter what card you have it's basically using up all your vram which it shouldn't be doing in the first place. The stuff the PC is missing is shit the PS4 version has mate, don't fool yourself.

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#261 jg4xchamp
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@princeofshapeir said:

Rocksteady has made a more detailed response. Prepare to rage. If this game hadn't come with my 970 I'd have refunded it ASAP after reading this horseshit: they literally state the game is intended to run at 30 FPS and be on par with current-gen consoles (which isn't even true because the PC version looks WORSE than the PS4 version).

The Recommended Spec is intended to deliver an experience on par with the current generation of gaming platforms.

For an optimal experience, users with recommended spec hardware should not set their resolution higher than 1080p.

...

We do not recommend that users change anything in the game’s .ini files as this will potentially negatively impact performance, including frame rate, and stability.

That guy is Warner Bros, not Rocksteady.

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#262 EducatingU_PCMR
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@princeofshapeir:

so if you have a 7950 you have to basically turn every option to low/off and on top of that @ 720p

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#263 sailor232
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I've turned the graphics setting all low, apart from resolution 1080p, doesn't make a difference to the framerate, the game is a massive pile of crap right now.

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#264 parkurtommo
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@samusbeliskner said:

@the_master_race: Yes, I know. The console version has better looking water. Why anyone would ever care about that is beyond me.

The slight graphical differences are literally the only things keeping me away from this game. Not playing it until it looks the way Rocksteady made it.

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#265 freedomfreak
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Anyone have a screenshot of the water in the PC version?

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#266 R10nu
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@Truth_Hurts_U said:

No where am I talking about FPS with my monitor.

@Truth_Hurts_U said:

If you can't read that the NV control panel overrides application limited FPS... Then there is no hope in talking to a gd wall.

Again, screenshots with FPS counter or you're full of shit.

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#267  Edited By IgGy621985
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One thing that baffles me about this port is... well, how the hell did they captured this video? Where the hell is that game from that video? As you can see, there are rain textures in this video. And it runs at 60 fps.

Loading Video...

I believe they simply gimped the PC version on purpose.

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#268 uninspiredcup  Online
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Might have been a good idea to investigate it before release.

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#269 parkurtommo
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#270 MK-Professor
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I strongly believe that sony pay developers to sabotage the PC version.

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#271 parkurtommo
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@IgGy621985: I forgot about that gameworks demo.... That is literally the definition of false advertising. This is definitely grounds for a lawsuit or at least FTC claims. We need to pin down these fuckers. :D

I mean how the **** does that version have AO, motion blur without stutter, rain textures? Did they fucking sabotage their port? Fucking christ.

I'm so glad gmg has allowed refunds for this game past the 1st patch now. If it isn't fixed. If AO isn't fixed (I don't care about anything else) and the money can be transferred back to my paypal account then I will absolutely refund.

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#272 Animal-Mother
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PS4 version plays like a dream

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#273  Edited By IgGy621985
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@parkurtommo said:

@IgGy621985: I forgot about that gameworks demo.... That is literally the definition of false advertising. This is definitely grounds for a lawsuit or at least FTC claims. We need to pin down these fuckers. :D

I mean how the **** does that version have AO, motion blur without stutter, rain textures? Did they fucking sabotage their port? Fucking christ.

I'm so glad gmg has allowed refunds for this game past the 1st patch now. If it isn't fixed. If AO isn't fixed (I don't care about anything else) and the money can be transferred back to my paypal account then I will absolutely refund.

I actually believe they did just that. To gimp the PC version in favor of the console ones.

That shit is just ridiculous.

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#274 DEadliNE-Zero0
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@parkurtommo said:
Loading Video...

wait wait. They actually outsourced it with 8 weeks to go?

oh lord. This video never gets old

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#275 IgGy621985
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@parkurtommo: Wait, what? Their marketing director started insulting people on the forums?

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#276 MK-Professor
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@deadline-zero0 said:

wait wait. They actually outsourced it with 8 weeks to go?

12 people port it under 8 weeks before the game launched.

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#277 freedomfreak
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@IgGy621985 said:

Wait, what? Their marketing director started insulting people on the forums?

He posted on Neogaf, calling people babies. That they should wait for it to be fixed. People looked him up through his gamertag, and found out he was the head of marketing.

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#278 IgGy621985
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@freedomfreak: Damn. Do you have a link to the discussion?

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#279 DEadliNE-Zero0
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@MK-Professor said:
@deadline-zero0 said:

wait wait. They actually outsourced it with 8 weeks to go?

12 people port it under 8 weeks before the game launched.

Jesus ****. 8 weeks.

And apparently, it's true that the ps4 version has betetr assets

PC
PC
PS4
PS4

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#280 parkurtommo
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@deadline-zero0: @IgGy621985: Not sure about the 8 weeks part. Certainly seems plausible.

About the marketing director thing, I believe that was just a coincidence in names. But, I'm not sure.

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#281 MK-Professor
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@deadline-zero0 said:
@MK-Professor said:
@deadline-zero0 said:

wait wait. They actually outsourced it with 8 weeks to go?

12 people port it under 8 weeks before the game launched.

Jesus ****. 8 weeks.

given the incredible short amount of time we have to admit that they did an excellent job, give it 8 more weeks and we will see batman running at 2560x1440, 100fps with all the graphics settings enable

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#282 BobRossPerm
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@deadline-zero0 said:
@MK-Professor said:
@deadline-zero0 said:

wait wait. They actually outsourced it with 8 weeks to go?

12 people port it under 8 weeks before the game launched.

Jesus ****. 8 weeks.

And apparently, it's true that the ps4 version has betetr assets

PC
PC
PS4
PS4

Lol, there's no way that will last long. A big update will correct it. But I do think the console and PC versions won't be different enough visually to really set them apart other than resolution and framerate.

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#283  Edited By IgGy621985
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This shit is terrible. I'm still waiting for my copy to download from Steam (slow connection), but I'm starting to worry will they be actually able to fix the damn thing to look on par that GameWorks video :-/

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#284 DEadliNE-Zero0
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@parkurtommo: @MK-Professor: If the 8 weeks part is true, it's a pretty late time to port an entire game.

still, regardless of how long it took, it's a shit job.

I'll continue to play my DMC4SE. Thank you WB

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#285 parkurtommo
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@deadline-zero0: @IgGy621985: Can you guys gimme your steam names? In case I don't have you on my friends yet. Members of the GS hermit faction should stick together, to shit on ports like this. :P

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#286 IgGy621985
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@parkurtommo: http://steamcommunity.com/id/p3r02d3r0/

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#287 freedomfreak
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@IgGy621985 said:

Damn. Do you have a link to the discussion?

Got the pic.

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#288  Edited By harry_james_pot  Moderator
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Omg this keeps getting worse..

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#289 parkurtommo
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@IgGy621985 said:

@parkurtommo: http://steamcommunity.com/id/p3r02d3r0/

Oh right you're already on my friend's list :P

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#290  Edited By Snugenz
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GMG will be offering refunds if you still can't play the game after the patch is released for the PC version.

Warner Bros. are currently working on a patch which we are hoping will be released soon. We want you to enjoy your game, but if after the fix has been released, you still cannot play your game, we will process refund requests for the game.

GMG

GMG being awesome like always.

Link

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#292 GarGx1
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@parkurtommo said:
@GarGx1 said:

As you can see from my screenshots, it's pretty easy to get the game running well and looking ok. The 1k textures though aren't just in the PC version, they are exactly the same as the textures used in the console versions. I'll bet it doesn't run at 1440p and 60fps with no horrible post processing effects like motion blur and depth of field on console.

LOD, anistropic filtering etc. can all be adjusted manually in the .ini file. That's one advantage of a PC game, with a little knowledge most things can be fixed. It'll take a little more to up res the textures but again that can be done, it just needs a bit more time to fix them. Maybe Rocksteady will do something about them before the modding community does (I highly doubt it though)

So yeah, this is the power of PC gaming.

In a nutshell Consoles gamers get what they're given, PC gamers take what they're given and make it better.

Woah woah, don't trash depth of field man, I love that shit.

It drives me batty having to move the screen to get things into clear focus, I always switch it off.

Not everyone like Marmite.

@samusbeliskner My PC isn't exactly running at stock. That and an i7 4770k/GTX 780ti is a tad more powerful than a FX 6300/R9 270 pairing.

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#293  Edited By aroxx_ab
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#294 parkurtommo
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@GarGx1 said:
@parkurtommo said:
@GarGx1 said:

As you can see from my screenshots, it's pretty easy to get the game running well and looking ok. The 1k textures though aren't just in the PC version, they are exactly the same as the textures used in the console versions. I'll bet it doesn't run at 1440p and 60fps with no horrible post processing effects like motion blur and depth of field on console.

LOD, anistropic filtering etc. can all be adjusted manually in the .ini file. That's one advantage of a PC game, with a little knowledge most things can be fixed. It'll take a little more to up res the textures but again that can be done, it just needs a bit more time to fix them. Maybe Rocksteady will do something about them before the modding community does (I highly doubt it though)

So yeah, this is the power of PC gaming.

In a nutshell Consoles gamers get what they're given, PC gamers take what they're given and make it better.

Woah woah, don't trash depth of field man, I love that shit.

It drives me batty having to move the screen to get things into clear focus, I always switch it off.

Not everyone like Marmite.

@samusbeliskner My PC isn't exactly running at stock. That and an i7 4770k/GTX 780ti is a tad more powerful than a FX 6300/R9 270 pairing.

Well that's more due to implementation of dof and not the effect itself. If it's well implemented it will never feel out of place. Like in Uncharted 2 (and 3?), they would focus on what plane you're aiming at with a gun and other planes would be blurred out, it was a classy effect.

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#295 deactivated-5ef52b89b6fd0
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I was tired of the batman games anyways, otherwise I would have already had this pre-downloaded.

I wont be buying this garbage even if they fix it.

Look for this to be bargain bin price on steam in a few months.

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#296  Edited By Blabadon
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@R4gn4r0k: you're taking a small joke too far

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#297  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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@Blabadon said:

@R4gn4r0k: you're taking a small joke too far

So many people flinging 'master race' around now I always question why, but yeah I must have overthought it.

And upon further inspection it does seem PS4 outperforms PC in this case.

Carry on ^^

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#298 GarGx1
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Well I guess this is last time Rocksteady or WB interactive ever get a penny of my money, even if I did get full premium for £23, it's £23 more than they deserve for this nonsense. Sure it will get fixed and we'll get everything switched on and running the way it should but it'll be PC gamers and modders who fix it, not RS or Iron Galaxy. I do hope they're proud though, they now whole heartedly hold the title of worst PC port in recent history and thoroughly destroyed their reputation. They may as well stick to console exclusives from now on.

Makes me wonder if part of the Sony deal was for parity with the PS4 version and Iron Galaxy (for some reason I keep wanting to call them Iron Monkeys) cut it back too far.

As for the marketing director, if that really was him, he really shouldn't be in that job much longer, he's not entirely suited to the role. Would love to be there when his boss calls him in for a chat.

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#299  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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I turned the nvidia effects down and I am playing Arkham Night at 2k and everything on normal, because 2k for me is the only playable resolution - AK at 1080p looks like an absolute turd on my 32-inch monitor even with all effects maxed. But my question is, I turned the nvidia effects down - smoke, lights, rain, etc. - because I couldn't bloody notice any visual difference. DO those effects work at all ? I squint my eyes and I can not see any difference with those effects on and off.

And I also recommend to try to crank up resolution, AN looks pretty good at higher resolutions, I mean those normal textures are much more serviceable at 2k.

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#300 parkurtommo
Member since 2009 • 28295 Posts

@jhonMalcovich said:

I turned the nvidia effects down and I am playing Arkham Night at 2k and everything on normal, because 2k for me is the only playable resolution - AK at 1080p looks like an absolute turd on my 32-inch monitor even with all effects maxed. But my question is, I turned the nvidia effects down - smoke, lights, rain, etc. - because I couldn't bloody notice any visual difference. DO those effects work at all ? I squint my eyes and I can not see any difference with those effects on and off.

And I also recommend to try to crank up resolution, AN looks pretty good at higher resolutions, I mean those normal textures are much more serviceable at 2k.

Yes, the gameworks stuff works. The smoke looks amazing on the batmobile, the rain is pretty cool, and the debri stuff is cool too. Dunno about light shafts.

Problem is they're still shit, performance wise.