At this point can we consider Team Fortress 2 a PC "Exclusive"?

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

PC's don't have exclusives.

lundy86_4

Well, I fail to see the logic behind that.

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

PC's don't have exclusives.

Ravensmash

Well, I fail to see the logic behind that.

Well, that's a little crazy. The PC is a system. Regardless of what hardware is going into it, it's going to have access to the same games. If games were limited to different brands of hardware, the argument may hold more water.

Yes it has, the gameplay has been evolved so much that the PC version could be considered a sequel. meetroid8

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Yes it has, the gameplay has been evolved so much that the PC version could be considered a sequel. foxhound_fox

PC's don't have exclusives.

TF2 was ok but there's better stuff out there.

LazySloth718

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

PC's don't have exclusives.

Ravensmash

Well, I fail to see the logic behind that.

Yes, it has the same basic gameplay of course, they share the same classes, as well as the standard weapons. But those classes and weapons have been updated so many times that they've become something very different than what they were when the game was first released. The way the game is played has changed. meetroid8

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

PC's don't have exclusives.

Ravensmash

Well, I fail to see the logic behind that.

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Yes, it has the same basic gameplay of course, they share the same classes, as well as the standard weapons. But those classes and weapons have been updated so many times that they've become something very different than what they were when the game was first released. The way the game is played has changed. foxhound_fox

Could you define fundamental structure of the gameplay? How classes are used and the way the game is played has been changed. For example, the engineer's vanilla version isn't even recognizable anymore, because, due to updates, the strategies for using the engineer have been completely turned on their head. You literally can't play the engineer as it was in the original version anymore. meetroid8

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Could you define fundamental structure of the gameplay? How classes are used and the way the game is played has been changed. For example, the engineer's vanilla version isn't even recognizable anymore, because, due to updates, the strategies for using the engineer have been completely turned on their head. You literally can't play the engineer as it was in the original version anymore. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Could you define fundamental structure of the gameplay? How classes are used and the way the game is played has been changed. For example, the engineer's vanilla version isn't even recognizable anymore, because, due to updates, the strategies for using the engineer have been completely turned on their head. You literally can't play the engineer as it was in the original version anymore. foxhound_fox

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]Yes it has, the gameplay has been evolved so much that the PC version could be considered a sequel. foxhound_fox

Is any Madden or COD game drastically different from the last?

I don't think spawn tickets are involved in any of the game modes. The classes that make up the teams are much more important than the teams themselves. They haven't simply added a new weapons and stopped there. they've changed the way classes are controlled, what they can and can't do, what they're strengths and weaknesses are. When they do add new weapons they aren't just reskins, they evolve the gameplay. For example the Spy's Deadringer functions so differently from the normal cloak, they can hardly be considered to be in the same category. meetroid8

Is any Madden or COD game drastically different from the last?vtoshkatur

[QUOTE="meetroid8"]I don't think spawn tickets are involved in any of the game modes. The classes that make up the teams are much more important than the teams themselves. They haven't simply added a new weapons and stopped there. they've changed the way classes are controlled, what they can and can't do, what they're strengths and weaknesses are. When they do add new weapons they aren't just reskins, they evolve the gameplay. For example the Spy's Deadringer functions so differently from the normal cloak, they can hardly be considered to be in the same category. foxhound_fox

Whilst I don't particularly give a sh1t about it, no it's not exclusive. There's another version, it's not exclusive.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="15strong"]

You can still get plenty of games in the PS3 version and there is a small dedicated communtiy, so I would stop talking as you know literally nothing.

15strong

Massive, Thriving, User envolved Community>>>>>>>>>Small niche community.

Yes, but the size of the community has nothing to do with whether a game is exclusive or not. And you asked how big the community was and implied that console gamers don't care about the console version, so I was kind enough to point out that a small dedicated community cares.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]Is any Madden or COD game drastically different from the last?foxhound_fox

I think the PC version is far more drasticaly a different game then its console counterpart then say the difference from MW2 to MW3.

Lets see

the PC has

Motion Controller support (Razer Hydra)

ITS FREEE TO PLAY!

The many mods that give the game extra content

dem hats

the fact we actually get updates

and that pretty much no one plays it on consoles

NoodleFighter

[QUOTE="Ravensmash"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

Well, I fail to see the logic behind that.

Jebus213

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Lets see

the PC has

Motion Controller support (Razer Hydra)

ITS FREEE TO PLAY!

The many mods that give the game extra content

dem hats

the fact we actually get updates

and that pretty much no one plays it on consoles

Androvinus

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Lets see

the PC has

Motion Controller support (Razer Hydra)

ITS FREEE TO PLAY!

The many mods that give the game extra content

dem hats

the fact we actually get updates

and that pretty much no one plays it on consoles

Androvinus

LOL WUT? Most of Valve servers are filled to the brim. Sometimes it's hard to even get a spot on these servers.

[QUOTE="Androvinus"][QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

Lets see

the PC has

Motion Controller support (Razer Hydra)

ITS FREEE TO PLAY!

The many mods that give the game extra content

dem hats

the fact we actually get updates

and that pretty much no one plays it on consoles

vtoshkatur

LOL WUT? Most of Valve servers are filled to the brim. Sometimes it's hard to even get a spot on these servers.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Androvinus"] The PC version also has tons of bot servers. Hacked servers (see NightTeam). And tons of 24/7 fast respawn 2fort/dustbowl servers. Oh yea and almost no one plays on the good clean Valve official servers.Androvinus

LOL WUT? Most of Valve servers are filled to the brim. Sometimes it's hard to even get a spot on these servers.

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Androvinus"] The PC version also has tons of bot servers. Hacked servers (see NightTeam). And tons of 24/7 fast respawn 2fort/dustbowl servers. Oh yea and almost no one plays on the good clean Valve official servers.Androvinus

LOL WUT? Most of Valve servers are filled to the brim. Sometimes it's hard to even get a spot on these servers.

Are you sure your actually playing TF2 and not the TF2 beta. Because TF2 beta is pretty dead unless theres an upcoming update.

If PS3/PSP games can be considered exclusive based on offering different features (such as MLB The Show), than I don't see why the same can't be applied between PC/console games. The same technical gap is still there

If any mods out there are still reading this thread I think it's time we make a sticky of this and a offical system wars poll to decide offically if TF2 PC is a exclusive or not.

There's TF2 and TF2 vanilla...

[QUOTE="vtoshkatur"]

[QUOTE="Androvinus"] The PC version also has tons of bot servers. Hacked servers (see NightTeam). And tons of 24/7 fast respawn 2fort/dustbowl servers. Oh yea and almost no one plays on the good clean Valve official servers.Androvinus

LOL WUT? Most of Valve servers are filled to the brim. Sometimes it's hard to even get a spot on these servers.

I played the game on my X360 first for years and I consider the PC version an exclusive. It's not the same game.

That's probably why I'm able to see such a big difference. I wasn't slowly introduced to the changes made in the PC version. I went from vanilla TF2 to a whole new game.

If it's on another system then it isn't exclusive. The consoles may not have all of the bells and whistles but the core game still exists on another platform. Get over it.

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

PC's don't have exclusives.

lundy86_4

Well, I fail to see the logic behind that.

Exclusive denotes a legal contract keeping something on a platform.

Programs are not exclusive simply because nobody has bothered to port them.

Secondly "PC" is not a "platform" it's shorthand for "bunch of hardware meant to be used as a personal computer" it could be Windows, Mac, Linux or anything else.

%99 of "PC" in the world are not capable of running any games.

Most so-called "PC gamers" understand zilch about technology, its uses, definitions, standards, they sit on Gamespot with the idea that PC's "compete" against consoles.

A "console" is a cheap, pre-fabricated HTPC that uses %99 of the same parts as a "PC." Companies like Sony and MS and Ninty exploit their idiotic fanbase with delusions of "next gen hardware" and "quality online service."

A console is a tool that any PC user/enthusiast can benefit from, just like most of us own smartphones and ipods, we also own consoles.

"PC gamers" as a gamespot social group are clowns, I wouldn't trust you morons to defrag my hard drive much less discuss tech.

If you don't own multiple digital devices, if all you know is Windows, if you don't think the HD twins are amazing for their size and cost, then you are in no way shape or form a tech-head. You're basically the equivalent of a PC "bro gamer" and your opinions are worthless.

Exclusive denotes a legal contract keeping something on a platform.

Programs are not exclusive simply because nobody has bothered to port them.

Secondly "PC" is not a "platform" it's shorthand for "bunch of hardware meant to be used as a personal computer" it could be Windows, Mac, Linux or anything else.

%99 of "PC" in the world are not capable of running any games.

Most so-called "PC gamers" understand zilch about technology, its uses, definitions, standards, they sit on Gamespot with the idea that PC's "compete" against consoles.

A "console" is a cheap, pre-fabricated HTPC that uses %99 of the same parts as a "PC." Companies like Sony and MS and Ninty exploit their idiotic fanbase with delusions of "next gen hardware" and "quality online service."

A console is a tool that any PC user/enthusiast can benefit from, just like most of us own smartphones and ipods, we also own consoles.

"PC gamers" as a gamespot social group are clowns, I wouldn't trust you morons to defrag my hard drive much less discuss tech.

If you don't own multiple digital devices, if all you know is Windows, if you don't think the HD twins are amazing for their size and cost, then you are in no way shape or form a tech-head. You're basically the equivalent of a PC "bro gamer" and your opinions are worthless.

LazySloth718

Is this an alt account? Yep, you used to have an account with the Splinter Cell picture.

Anyway, no, it does not denote a legal contract keeping something on a platform. If you wish to show any kind of evidence for this, you're more than welcome to. Now, this evidence must strictly show that the term "exclusive", within the industry, is used as solely a legally-binding term. Exclusivity means it's only on a single platform or group of platforms.

Here, in System Wars, an exclusive is something released solely for one system.

Yes, the PC is a platform. Especially here, where we list Mac/Linux under PC with Windows. Hence why games released on Mac (Starcraft II for example) are still exclusive. In terms of "outside" System Wars, it's typically a Windows-based PC which is a platform (as "platform" typically determines the OS used for the system). WB-PC is a fairly common term. PC's don't directly compete within the industry with consoles. However, they receive enough games that they compete within GS and SW more specifically. Regardless of how many PC's can actually run games, we still see it as a gaming platform (as do many developers and publishers).

Don't refer to me as a clown. Especially when you do not understand who I am, nor my level of intelligence. It's a poor debating method when you have to resort to insults.

I dont care if you actually use the word "exclusive" or not. Its the only version of the game that is worth playing.

[QUOTE="LazySloth718"]

Exclusive denotes a legal contract keeping something on a platform.

Programs are not exclusive simply because nobody has bothered to port them.

Secondly "PC" is not a "platform" it's shorthand for "bunch of hardware meant to be used as a personal computer" it could be Windows, Mac, Linux or anything else.

%99 of "PC" in the world are not capable of running any games.

Most so-called "PC gamers" understand zilch about technology, its uses, definitions, standards, they sit on Gamespot with the idea that PC's "compete" against consoles.

A "console" is a cheap, pre-fabricated HTPC that uses %99 of the same parts as a "PC." Companies like Sony and MS and Ninty exploit their idiotic fanbase with delusions of "next gen hardware" and "quality online service."

A console is a tool that any PC user/enthusiast can benefit from, just like most of us own smartphones and ipods, we also own consoles.

"PC gamers" as a gamespot social group are clowns, I wouldn't trust you morons to defrag my hard drive much less discuss tech.

If you don't own multiple digital devices, if all you know is Windows, if you don't think the HD twins are amazing for their size and cost, then you are in no way shape or form a tech-head. You're basically the equivalent of a PC "bro gamer" and your opinions are worthless.

lundy86_4

Is this an alt account? Yep, you used to have an account with the Splinter Cell picture.

Anyway, no, it does not denote a legal contract keeping something on a platform. If you wish to show any kind of evidence for this, you're more than welcome to. Now, this evidence must strictly show that the term "exclusive", within the industry, is used as solely a legally-binding term. Exclusivity means it's only on a single platform or group of platforms.

Here, in System Wars, an exclusive is something released solely for one system.

Yes, the PC is a platform. Especially here, where we list Mac/Linux under PC with Windows. Hence why games released on Mac (Starcraft II for example) are still exclusive. In terms of "outside" System Wars, it's typically a Windows-based PC which is a platform (as "platform" typically determines the OS used for the system). WB-PC is a fairly common term. PC's don't directly compete within the industry with consoles. However, they receive enough games that they compete within GS and SW more specifically. Regardless of how many PC's can actually run games, we still see it as a gaming platform (as do many developers and publishers).

Don't refer to me as a clown. Especially when you do not understand who I am, nor my level of intelligence. It's a poor debating method when you have to resort to insults.