Battlefield 3 - Caspian Border "Warning contains Jets" 1080P

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#401 lostrib
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[QUOTE="t1no87"]

[QUOTE="Omega-316"]

amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

Omega-316

Not sure if serious!?

well how much is a gaming PC to play this game with all settings on max?

Wont know until the game comes out or beta. By why does it have to be max?

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#402 Kantus_Mage
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[QUOTE="t1no87"]

[QUOTE="Omega-316"]

amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

Omega-316

Not sure if serious!?

well how much is a gaming PC to play this game with all settings on max?

About $1000-$1500.

But on medium less..

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#403 Omega-316
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[QUOTE="Omega-316"]

amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

lostrib

Well you know COD is also on PC...

its cheaper to play it on consoles then PC....the only game i can play on my computer is counter strike on medium settings

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#404 Deadbeatcobra
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[QUOTE="Kantus_Mage"]

:lol:

slvrraven9

:lol: LMAO :lol:

lol.... man we all know COD will outsell BF3, but this is just LOL!

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#405 ChubbyGuy40
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[QUOTE="t1no87"]

[QUOTE="Omega-316"]

amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

Omega-316

Not sure if serious!?

well how much is a gaming PC to play this game with all settings on max?

Not sure, but they've said it's been running off a quad-core Intel CPU and GTX 580 for all footage shown. At E3 during the Thunder Run/tank demo, thats the machine they were using.

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#406 lostrib
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[QUOTE="lostrib"]

[QUOTE="Omega-316"]

amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

Omega-316

Well you know COD is also on PC...

its cheaper to play it on consoles then PC....the only game i can play on my computer is counter strike on medium settings

Well BF3 is also on consoles...so you could play both?

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#407 mitu123
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amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

Omega-316

And I'm maxing it out for less than that.

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#408 Randoggy
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[QUOTE="slvrraven9"][QUOTE="Kantus_Mage"]

:lol:

Deadbeatcobra

:lol: LMAO :lol:

lol.... man we all know COD will outsell BF3, but this is just LOL!

I don't understand why people find this so funny? You do realize the pictures were probably taken at the complete different times of the day. For all we know that MW3 picture could be taken early in the morning when the place wasn't even open yet.

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#409 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"][QUOTE="skrat_01"] Course' they can. Doesn't mean the people who legitimately care about gaming aren't going to babble and rant about the games. Same in anything, film, art, literature or sports, anything with their own dedicated communities. skrat_01

What makes you 'legitimately' care about gaming? how did you become legit? they pay the same amount as you so why do you get some special legitimacy? To developers Casuals are equal, if not more important, to hardcore gamers. That's why devs are 'casualising' and 'consolisaing' your games because casual support the developers more. FACT

You don't become 'legit' it's not a 'status' you just do. Somone who is geneuinely interested in film, will give a toss about it and probably enjoy discussing it - it's a strong interest or a passion.

To casual gamers this really isn't, it's entertainment more often than not.

Developers are catering to a general market because there is money to be made; the market itself is extremely diverse so do keep this in mind. That's not to say there isn't a huge percentage of the market that's still slanted towards gamers, as much as accommodating those not used to the level of intricacies.

It's business triple A big budget usually demmands it.

You'd have to be extremely immature to go about proclaiming our own rough speculation and assumptions as a fact

In the real world are the more casual gamers than hardcore gamers? the answer to this is why its FACT.
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#410 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"]

Modern Warfare 3 hasn't shown its multiplayer until then I will reserve judgement of which is better, but that trailer looked cool.

slvrraven9
cmon dude. we all know or at least can safely assume that MW3 is going to use the same tired formula that its been using with some added details but i can guarantee you that you will NOT be able to engage in dogfights with jets while in multiplayer. i still kinda like MW but cmon you gotta know that not much is gonna change with MW3 over 2.

IW has always changed up the formula compare MW1 to 2
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#411 ChubbyGuy40
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In the real world are the more casual gamers than hardcore gamers? the answer to this is why its FACT.viper-kid

What about a kid who casually plays guitar? Would he know more about what makes good music than a professional musician?

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#412 ChubbyGuy40
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IW has always changed up the formula compare MW1 to 2 viper-kid

They made the game even worse and more imbalanced.

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#413 GTSaiyanjin2
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found this on youtube..... Its from the PS3 version coop.... not very good quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwEhfvt2ayM

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#414 nunovlopes
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[QUOTE="Rockman999"]:lol: at :31, the dude actually takes the dogtags off after knifing him. Man I'm going to have to end up buying all three versions of this game, that's no bueno,. :( [QUOTE="viper-kid"] Multiplayer footage MW3 has not been released yet so calm down and reserve judgement until multi for both games is out. The trailer looked cool don't get be wrong but I have a feeling Cod has something under its sleeves.Ace6301
It seems that you missed the MP footage that was released for MW3 a while ago, link.

Pretty much. COD fans don't seem to get that 1942, Vietnam, 2, 2142, Bad Company series and 3 don't play alike at all. They have about as much in common with each other in play ****as COD does with BF in general. With BF3 it's going to be something different, I know several people who were in the alpha who say the closest they can compare it is BF2 (which is good) and that it's more methodical and less spammy than that. BF3 is going to be doing new things, MW3 isn't.

I never played BF2, only 2142, and it seems to me that BF3 has more in common with 2142 than BF2. The cl@ss system for example is exactly the same.

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#415 Ly_the_Fairy
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My jaw literally fell to the floor after watching that.

[QUOTE="campzor"] excuse my ignorance but what "innovations" is bf3 doing?Wasdie

individual crew members can get killed in a vehicle depending on where it got hit

I noticed this post way back on the 3rd page.

Anyways I'm pretty certain this was in Bad Company 2.......at least for helicopters. I know on a few occasions I actually sniped the pilots out of a helicopter, and watched it crash with multiple people still inside.

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#416 Wasdie  Moderator
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My jaw literally fell to the floor after watching that.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

[QUOTE="campzor"] excuse my ignorance but what "innovations" is bf3 doing?Ly_the_Fairy

individual crew members can get killed in a vehicle depending on where it got hit

I noticed this post way back on the 3rd page.

Anyways I'm pretty certain this was in Bad Company 2.......at least for helicopters. I know on a few occasions I actually sniped the pilots out of a helicopter, and watched it crash with multiple people still inside.

Actually this is more if a BMP loaded with guys get's hit, only the guy nearest to the impact is likely to die.

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#417 DevilMightCry
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[QUOTE="Omega-316"]

[QUOTE="t1no87"]

Not sure if serious!?

Kantus_Mage

well how much is a gaming PC to play this game with all settings on max?

About $1000-$1500.

But on medium less..

I paid $613 for my setup. I could spend $792 for X-fire, but I'll wait since I ran BF3 Alpha maxed out at 60fp/s.
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#418 Ly_the_Fairy
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[QUOTE="Ly_the_Fairy"]

My jaw literally fell to the floor after watching that.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

individual crew members can get killed in a vehicle depending on where it got hit

Wasdie

I noticed this post way back on the 3rd page.

Anyways I'm pretty certain this was in Bad Company 2.......at least for helicopters. I know on a few occasions I actually sniped the pilots out of a helicopter, and watched it crash with multiple people still inside.

Actually this is more if a BMP loaded with guys get's hit, only the guy nearest to the impact is likely to die.

Oh, well that makes a bit more sense.

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#419 viper-kid
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[QUOTE="viper-kid"] IW has always changed up the formula compare MW1 to 2 ChubbyGuy40

They made the game even worse and more imbalanced.

Still a change of formula...
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#420 slvrraven9
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[QUOTE="Randoggy"]

[QUOTE="Deadbeatcobra"]

:lol: LMAO :lol:slvrraven9
lol.... man we all know COD will outsell BF3, but this is just LOL!

I don't understand why people find this so funny? You do realize the pictures were probably taken at the complete different times of the day. For all we know that MW3 picture could be taken early in the morning when the place wasn't even open yet.

its because we arent looking at the literal aspects of it that its so funny. too bad you cant do the same. sometimes with comedy you just take things at face value...
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#421 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] All you got to do is download some more RAM onto your PS3 and you're set!gamer-adam1

Downloadable ram...man, wouldn't that be something?

that could happen, don't joke about it. its already happening to CPUs

It wouldn't happen to PS3.

These Intel CPUs already includes the locked hardware features.

This is like unlocking my AMD Radeon HD 6950 into 6870. Unlike Intel, AMD haven't employed security restrictions for 6950-to-6970 patch.

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#422 deactivated-5d0e4d67d0988
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="slvrraven9"]OMFG.....OMFG>......HOLY ****!!!!! and those jets and tanks and missles and rockets.....are not kill streak rewards!!!!! how can COD still be relevant with all this crammed into one game? the only thing that would bring B3 down at this point is a short SP campaign...Randoggy
People are actually going to play the SP campaign?

I play single player campaigns before touching the online portion of any game.

This is true for me as well. Regardless of how bad the SP is *Black ops* Cough *BC2* Cough*

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#423 ActionRemix
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This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.
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#424 UCF_Knight
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This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.ActionRemix
Now that you say something, that does look kinda funny. The plane magically breaks into like three pieces. :P
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#425 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.UCF_Knight
Now that you say something, that does look kinda funny. The plane magically breaks into like three pieces. :P

There's model skips in pretty much all explosions these days. It's just usually the explosion is larger to cover it up but on a fast moving object it's very obvious.
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#427 el3m2tigre
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This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.ActionRemix

Nice catch. This particular detail eluded me :/

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#428 NiteLights
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[QUOTE="ChubbyGuy40"]

[QUOTE="viper-kid"] IW has always changed up the formula compare MW1 to 2 viper-kid

They made the game even worse and more imbalanced.

Still a change of formula...

Hey ! Look ! Now I can reload faster because of my new perk ! :D

Rinse and repeat for the last 5 games. Major formula change. :roll:

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#429 mitu123
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This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.ActionRemix
Thank god it's an Alpha build.
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#430 HaloPimp978
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MW3 may sell more, but BF3 is the real game I will just shut up and let this trailer do the talking.

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#431 Ace6301
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This is similar to how jets explode in Battlefield play4free. There is an explosion effect and the jet is immediately replaced with a black rock. I wish they went with debris or something. Use the f*cking destruction engine!ActionRemix
That's the thing though. The frostbite destruction engine is literally: -explosive object impacts preset destructible object -large explosion with lots of smok -object is replaced with the destruction model -shoot out debris to make it look like it really blew up -smoke clears, voila new not-wall. It's the same thing here but the object is going too fast and it clears the smoke and explosion so you see the model skip.
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The control points look too close together on the map, hopefully my eyes are deceiving me.
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#433 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="UCF_Knight"][QUOTE="ActionRemix"]This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.Ace6301
Now that you say something, that does look kinda funny. The plane magically breaks into like three pieces. :P

There's model skips in pretty much all explosions these days. It's just usually the explosion is larger to cover it up but on a fast moving object it's very obvious.

It is just alpha footage...
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#434 Ace6301
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[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="UCF_Knight"] Now that you say something, that does look kinda funny. The plane magically breaks into like three pieces. :P

There's model skips in pretty much all explosions these days. It's just usually the explosion is larger to cover it up but on a fast moving object it's very obvious.

It is just alpha footage...

Yes. Doesn't change the fact this is how literally every single game made in the last 10 years handles what occurs during a vehicle explosion.
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#435 DragonfireXZ95
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] There's model skips in pretty much all explosions these days. It's just usually the explosion is larger to cover it up but on a fast moving object it's very obvious.

It is just alpha footage...

Yes. Doesn't change the fact this is how literally every single game made in the last 10 years handles what occurs during a vehicle explosion.

Yeah, it drops resource usage drastically. If they used particle effect explosions, it would probably kill framerate even on the best machines.
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#436 mirgamer
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amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

Omega-316
You are seriously misinformed. You need to spend at least 10k for a decent PC gaming and a monthly upgrade of about 1500 dollars. Oh be ready to spend another 5k for each and every new game that comes out. Thats without monitor and OS though, in which case, if you don't already have them, be prepared to sacrifice your soul and your childhood dreams.
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#437 MacBoomStick
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The car explosions in Saints Row 1/2 are pretty damn good. Some of the best I would say as far as vehicle explosions go. The explosion itself might not look the best but the modle does change like almost all other games. Parts of the car come flying off in the explosion like the wheels and the doors and hood.

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#438 PSdual_wielder
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[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"] It is just alpha footage...DragonfireXZ95
Yes. Doesn't change the fact this is how literally every single game made in the last 10 years handles what occurs during a vehicle explosion.

Yeah, it drops resource usage drastically. If they used particle effect explosions, it would probably kill framerate even on the best machines.

Its all about the tradeoffs and the visual fidelity that comes with the choice. Doing 'ultra-realistic particle physics explosion' is totally possible, but if it costs so much less cpu calculations to just replace the model with a burnt version of the vehicle and add some smoke to cover out and they both will look believable or largely the same, why not do it?

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#439 lucky_star
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[QUOTE="mirgamer"][QUOTE="Omega-316"]

amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

You are seriously misinformed. You need to spend at least 10k for a decent PC gaming and a monthly upgrade of about 1500 dollars. Oh be ready to spend another 5k for each and every new game that comes out. Thats without monitor and OS though, in which case, if you don't already have them, be prepared to sacrifice your soul and your childhood dreams.

:lol: Good post sir.
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#440 Kantus_Mage
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This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.ActionRemix

yeah but dat tank explosion was awesome.

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#441 2scoopsofempty
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[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]This trailer is absolutely phenomenal, of course, but the jet explosion at the end is pathetic by last-gen standards.Kantus_Mage

yeah but dat tank explosion was awesome.

Yeah I noticed how awesome that tank explosion was too, You can almost feel the aftershock. Also, I have read the jets fly a little faster than bf2 so if that's true then that's plenty. I cant wait.
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#442 Kevz0
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amazing game. but not worth 2000$ for a computer just to play it. ill stick to COD.

Omega-316
I think my PC for 850$ can play it on max, playing BF 3 on low setting at 720p will not require much, probably a PC for 300-400 $.
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#443 ActionRemix
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I watched the tank explosion again and you can see the model skip there too. They have the model change before the explosion can cover it up. Why can't the good model animate into the destroyed model? Everything else in this game has smooth transitions. That destroyed jet model still sucks, though. Even if they hide or animate the transition it will still look pretty bad. No, I don't believe "it's just an alpha." They wouldn't end their bomb-dropping trailer with a filler explosion. They're debugging, not reworking everything.
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#444 Kantus_Mage
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I watched the tank explosion again and you can see the model skip there too. They have the model change before the explosion can cover it up. Why can't the good model animate into the destroyed model? Everything else in this game has smooth transitions. That destroyed jet model still sucks, though. Even if they hide or animate the transition it will still look pretty bad. No, I don't believe "it's just an alpha." They wouldn't end their bomb-dropping trailer with a filler explosion. They're debugging, not reworking everything.ActionRemix

Welcome to every game in existance.

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#445 Wasdie  Moderator
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I watched the tank explosion again and you can see the model skip there too. They have the model change before the explosion can cover it up. Why can't the good model animate into the destroyed model? Everything else in this game has smooth transitions. That destroyed jet model still sucks, though. Even if they hide or animate the transition it will still look pretty bad. No, I don't believe "it's just an alpha." They wouldn't end their bomb-dropping trailer with a filler explosion. They're debugging, not reworking everything.ActionRemix

Becuase the amount of processing power and memory space to have 3-5 models would be far to costly on the PC for so little of an effect. You're really not looking at the bigger picture with that one at all.

It's not that it is just alpha, it's that they are managing resources. Even on a high-end PC you don't want to waste. Having to store 5-6 models and their LoDs for a single tank is a waste of valuable resources. No game, not even the biggest PC excluisves would waste resources like that on something so small.

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#446 mrmusicman247
Member since 2008 • 17601 Posts

[QUOTE="ActionRemix"]I watched the tank explosion again and you can see the model skip there too. They have the model change before the explosion can cover it up. Why can't the good model animate into the destroyed model? Everything else in this game has smooth transitions. That destroyed jet model still sucks, though. Even if they hide or animate the transition it will still look pretty bad. No, I don't believe "it's just an alpha." They wouldn't end their bomb-dropping trailer with a filler explosion. They're debugging, not reworking everything.Wasdie

Becuase the amount of processing power and memory space to have 3-5 models would be far to costly on the PC for so little of an effect. You're really not looking at the bigger picture with that one at all.

It's not that it is just alpha, it's that they are managing resources. Even on a high-end PC you don't want to waste. Having to store 5-6 models and their LoDs for a single tank is a waste of valuable resources. No game, not even the biggest PC excluisves would waste resources like that on something so small.

What he said.
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#447 ActionRemix
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Give the tank model bones and move the bones when it explodes. Then switch the model.
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#448 Wasdie  Moderator
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Give the tank model bones and move the bones when it explodes.ActionRemix

That's a whole different animation system that also requires tons of processing power of the CPU. You're talking about some pretty in-depth physics simulations that are pointless for video games for such a small effect.

You're the only one who seems to care. Every game under the sun does this for vehicle destruction. There is no reason not to. You don't need tons of intermediate models. Just tons of particles and a destroyed model. Good to go. Looks good enough.

In real life, an explosion that destroys a tank would happen so fast you wouldn't be able to see it actually happening without a high-speed camera.

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#449 Deevoshun
Member since 2003 • 868 Posts

It's been a very long time since I've wanted a game this bad, I've already upgraded my PC and I think it will handle this game just fine if I need more I may Xfire.

But this game....@#$# WOW! Just WOW!

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#450 Kantus_Mage
Member since 2011 • 172 Posts

Im trying to make some GIF's but GIMP is locking up.

RAAAGEEEEEEE