Battlefield 3 PS3 vs. PC

I count $400 so far. You forgot CPU, Mobo, HDD, the OS, and things like an extra long cat 5, keyboard/mouse, wired 360 controller, sound system (and that's assuming you already own a good monitor) pushing it up past $1000, for what I consider "mid-level" spec. And after all that you can't play Uncharted, Halo, RDR, etc. Meanwhile on my crappy $299 PS3 I can play BF3. And Uncharted. And RDR. And most importantly you know the hardware will have 10 years of support, games, etc. They still manufacture PS2's, did you know that? During this 10 years time, you will be forced to upgrade 2-3 times, reinstall drivers, etc etc. Believe me my friends, I've been through all this. Been thru it for 2 decades. I was upgrading video cards when you were born. And now we are forced into DD, disks are hit or miss, got to watch out for DRM, some games will not play unless you are using the correct OS. Driver SF has always-on DRM. Diablo 3, always-on DRM. I would rather have this malicious code running on a $299 box that I'll throw out in the end, than have these people running their spyware on my PC. You guys are lucky, Valve pretty much saved PC gaming. But now with Origin, might see it go back in the toilet and hit the flusher. Now you will have every 2 bit publisher requiring an account, it's like you have to login to XBL to play BF3, then you have to login to PSN to play CoD, then you have to login to Battlenet to play Diablo, and so forth. You think Microsoft will let you keep playing online for free? They want a piece of that pie too. It's not just Xbox Live.ZombieKiller7

Newegg Combo

• I2500K
• 4gb ram
• 650 Watt psu
• 1tb harddrive
• Case

Saphhire 6870 174.99

Asus dvd burner etc 19.99

Windows 7 64 bit 99.99

$789.47

$749.47 after MIR.. Couple grand? No.. Add keyboard and mouse.... couple grand? No ,,,, This is without really doing much looking or waiting for even better deals.No including if you want a even more budget and still play games in outragerous quality, you could just go with a AMD phenom build, get a stronger video card, and still cut 100-250 dollars off the price..

I like how you are alluding you are some very old guy and other members were babies when you were working on computers. Thats just random insults.. No idea why you are trying to argue Games that can't be played on PC considering if someone can't buy a Pc they are missing out on a Bigger list of potential games(Pc has the biggest selection of games to any one console soo?)

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ducati101"] I guarantee you the visuals will not be close, please stop deluding yourself. ZombieKiller7

Upscaling to pure resolution is not close. Lets not get ahead of ourselves there. Again, who are "these people" and why are you trying to trash talk "these people". You have called people babies, stated some off base comments that computers cost a "couple grand" (which you tried to change to "high end"), and now going after "people"...

FYI... When you go from debating the subject to going after the people, you are losing your argument

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Why on earth should you include the cost of a lan cable and a 360 controller and a sound system? You do know that you can use a monitor with speakers or use a TV right? Just like you do with the consoles. Wow.ZombieKiller7

Again no... Please exactly explain how any console out right now is playing at the same resolution as a PC at 1080p (stretching pixels does not equate to playing at native resolution).... Using a PC with a TV defeats the purpose of using a PC? Guess I've defeated the purpose of using my computer as I have both a monitor and hdtv connected to my computer. I don't know where you get your ideology but something is way off on your logic..

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ducati101"] I guarantee you the visuals will not be close, please stop deluding yourself. ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Why on earth should you include the cost of a lan cable and a 360 controller and a sound system? You do know that you can use a monitor with speakers or use a TV right? Just like you do with the consoles. Wow.ZombieKiller7

Well the 360 version will upscale to 1080p which is the same as 1920x1080 The versions are closer than you think, people just feel the need to justify the extra money.ZombieKiller7

In what world do you live in that has consoles rendering their games natively at 1080p? Last I checked, just because you are on a 1080p HDTV doesn't mean the game is rendered at that.

And how does hooking your PC up to an HDTV defeat the purpose of PC gaming? The whole purpose of PC gaming is that you have choices and personal customization for your experience. Having the choice to connect it to a monitor or and HDTV is the purpose of PC gaming. I have my PC hooked up to an HDTV and a monitor. I always use my monitor for gaming, but when watching a movie with friends, we use the big TV (though when by myself I still use the monitor to watch movies).

"Unless you can push a PC to 1800x1200 resolution, then you haven't accomplished anything" That is the dumbest thing I have heard on here in a while. That is the most elitest thing I have heard about PC gaming and it is from a person that mostly plays consoles... Wow... Again, the purpose of PC gaming is allowing choice to get the best possible experience. IF you want crazy God-like hardware and therefor graphics, then do so. IF you want a budget PC that doesn't have insane graphics but you still get all the perks of PC gaming (mods, m/kb support, D2D, Steam, Ventrillo, Teamspeak, Skype, Xfire, Novint Falcon, using any input device you want, dedicated servers, higher frame rates, muli-monitor setup, PC exclusives if you like them, more diverse genres, more indie games,free to play games, etc...) then you can get that on your budget PC, because that is your choice.

[QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Why on earth should you include the cost of a lan cable and a 360 controller and a sound system? You do know that you can use a monitor with speakers or use a TV right? Just like you do with the consoles. Wow.ZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Why on earth should you include the cost of a lan cable and a 360 controller and a sound system? You do know that you can use a monitor with speakers or use a TV right? Just like you do with the consoles. Wow.jedikevin2

Again no... Please exactly explain how any console out right now is playing at the same resolution as a PC at 1080p (stretching pixels does not equate to playing at native resolution).... Using a PC with a TV defeats the purpose of using a PC? Guess I've defeated the purpose of using my computer as I have both a monitor and hdtv connected to my computer. I don't know where you get your ideology but something is way off on your logic..

[QUOTE="Jankarcop"]

[QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

Thing is pcgamers get butthurt over everything..simple..its sad when your platform of choice is showing signs of fading..

famunda666

I'm sorry but we certainly aren't the butthurt ones when it comes to BF3, as you guys are the ones who will be left with the considerably reduced version.

And that goes for almost all other multiplats, most of which are factually superior on PC in nearly every way.

Yes your right the PC versions are superior! I agree 100%....its just sad though that if not for the console versions most of these game companies would have went belly up by now. You guys need to face facts aside from a few games, most games sell better...WAY better on consoles....yet look better on PC....Hmmmm FACTS: PC is NOT easier to use like some would suggest, FACT: Alot of games still don't have Game pad controls. FACT: With out us inferior gamers gaming on consoles the industry would be in the toilet, and by the way you guys WINE and CRY about everything. I'm hoping Diablo 3 gets announced for consoles soon that way you Elite, Awesome, Wonder twin powers activate, PC gamers will just shrivel and die, like a fat slimy slug that just had salt poured on it.

Yes PC games look way better...just a sad fact you guys get SO UPSET over some one wanting this game for a console or a company bringing a game to consoles. Get over it, you no longer rule the world ok. You guys make me laugh lol.

You're the only one who is butthurt though. I'm getting the best version of BF3 and nearly all multiplats. I don't care about anything you wrote in lime = that was all off subject.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="DragonfireXZ95"]Why on earth should you include the cost of a lan cable and a 360 controller and a sound system? You do know that you can use a monitor with speakers or use a TV right? Just like you do with the consoles. Wow.mitu123

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] I count $400 so far. You forgot CPU, Mobo, HDD, the OS, and things like an extra long cat 5, keyboard/mouse, wired 360 controller, sound system (and that's assuming you already own a good monitor) pushing it up past $1000, for what I consider "mid-level" spec. And after all that you can't play Uncharted, Halo, RDR, etc. Meanwhile on my crappy $299 PS3 I can play BF3. And Uncharted. And RDR. And most importantly you know the hardware will have 10 years of support, games, etc. They still manufacture PS2's, did you know that? During this 10 years time, you will be forced to upgrade 2-3 times, reinstall drivers, etc etc. Believe me my friends, I've been through all this. Been thru it for 2 decades. I was upgrading video cards when you were born. And now we are forced into DD, disks are hit or miss, got to watch out for DRM, some games will not play unless you are using the correct OS. Driver SF has always-on DRM. Diablo 3, always-on DRM. I would rather have this malicious code running on a $299 box that I'll throw out in the end, than have these people running their spyware on my PC. You guys are lucky, Valve pretty much saved PC gaming. But now with Origin, might see it go back in the toilet and hit the flusher. Now you will have every 2 bit publisher requiring an account, it's like you have to login to XBL to play BF3, then you have to login to PSN to play CoD, then you have to login to Battlenet to play Diablo, and so forth. You think Microsoft will let you keep playing online for free? They want a piece of that pie too. It's not just Xbox Live.jedikevin2

Newegg Combo

• I2500K
• 4gb ram
• 650 Watt psu
• 1tb harddrive
• Case

Saphhire 6870 174.99

Asus dvd burner etc 19.99

Windows 7 64 bit 99.99

$789.47

$749.47 after MIR.. Couple grand? No.. Add keyboard and mouse.... couple grand? No ,,,, This is without really doing much looking or waiting for even better deals.No including if you want a even more budget and still play games in outragerous quality, you could just go with a AMD phenom build, get a stronger video card, and still cut 100-250 dollars off the price..

I like how you are alluding you are some very old guy and other members were babies when you were working on computers. Thats just random insults.. No idea why you are trying to argue Games that can't be played on PC considering if someone can't buy a Pc they are missing out on a Bigger list of potential games(Pc has the biggest selection of games to any one console soo?)

Comparing the worse version of the game to the PC? Out of the 3 main platforms?

Fair fight?

Anyone want to bet the PS3 will be the worse version of the game?

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"] Because consoles come with WiFi transcievers and controllers. Using PC with a TV defeats the purpose of using a PC. Then you are stuck at 1080p same as consoles. Unless you can push a PC to 1800x1200 resolution, then you haven't accomplished anything, you're just playing on the same rez as consoles, except their games are optimized for those resolutions and yours aren't.lowe0

Really? Because my experience with Teamspeak 3 for my friends (we have one server) and my clan (we have a seperate server) works out perfectly. When I am in game, I don't have to listen to people saying stupid things or holding their mic open with crappy music playing. I get very high quality communication with who I want. TS3 is perfect for clans because you can have multiple channels in a server in I can be in my squads BF channel then head over to the Starcraft channels and then head over to the CoD and so on and so forth. Then you can set peoples' privilege/clearence in channels so that officers can be have uninterupted meetings and whatnot. Or, you could just use in-game chat...

Adding options doesn't degrade ease of use. Example situation #1; You can A. get your food from Burger King. Example situation #2; You can A. get your food from Burger King, or B. get your food from McDonalds. I prefer example situation #2 since my ease of choosing Burger King is still as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks' but at least then if I choose 'no thanks' I have another option which is also just as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks'.

Why is it so hard for the elitists to understand that the people choosing not to buy it for the pc arent doing so out of ignorance but rather circumstance.

We're not going to go out and spend hundreds if not thousands of punds on new rigs for one game, priorities and other obligations in life and such

$749.47 is the cost of three PS3's I feel that in the last 5-6 years the industry has been trying to kill off PC gaming, hasn't been putting out anything interesting, all the really good IP's are only available on consoles. You can feel free to disagree, but this is highly subjective. RDR is alot more interesting to me than Shogun, Halo is alot more interesting to me than EYE, Witcher2 is coming to Xbox360 this year. One of my favorite games of all time is GTA IV. What do I get for spending 3x more to get the PC version? "Better graphics." Everyone uses PC's, to do work, to browse, etc. Offloading gaming to a console gives me more freedom in the office. For the first time I can totally abandon Microsoft. I can do all my work on a Macbook, or a Linux box, and not have to worry about compatibility with some game. This to me is much more important, than spending 3x more and have a big hunk of iron sitting on my desk, taking up space, and trying to shove Microsoft down my throat. Do you understand how liberating it is to have an elegant notebook on your desk and alot of clear space? To have everything on your OS actually work correctly? To not see that stupid "Windows" symbol every time you boot up? For the future, as PC gamers login to 4 different services just to be able to run a game, I'll still just be popping in a disk. I don't plan things just for today, I'm seeing where the various industries are going, and I think it's a very dark world, I'm very pessimistic, that's why I get my "gaming fix" on disposable boxes. Maybe tommorrow I will only play on handhelds. I can definitely see the advantages of gaming on PC, but I willingly gave up those advantages in exchange for my freedom in every other technical aspect. The ONLY way PC gaming would work for me is thru piracy, and I refuse to go there. I've never been a black hat.ZombieKiller7

And again, I see you skipped over my statements earlier in the thread.. Know how much my PC cost? 300 dollars net (If you known me in the forums you would know i had a duel core/gts 250 which is sold for 300 dollars and built my new rig for 570 dollars. See May 2010 of system wars on that page 9 of pdf. This though is offbase since you have not been trying to argue this price vs price thing till just now.

My post on a High end system was simply to point out your flawed logic of a "couple grand".

No one cares what you or me personally feel on Pc gaming. I find for me that many GOOD ip's are on Pc (no idea what your talking about there). Its all opinion to each person but to throw out false facts, trash talk members calling them babies, state false information on rigs being "bare minimum", and even now try to change the subject is sad way of debating. Remember, you specifically asked for a newegg build that would not cost a couple grand. I simply gave it to you. Now your trying to say " but thats more then a ps3.." That had nothing to do with your original argument and now just throwing out your opinion to somehow back that statement up?

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Having more options is bad?:? I play my 360 and PS3 on a 1080p PC monitor, does that defeat the purpose of consoles?

arto1223

Really? Because my experience with Teamspeak 3 for my friends (we have one server) and my clan (we have a seperate server) works out perfectly. When I am in game, I don't have to listen to people saying stupid things or holding their mic open with crappy music playing. I get very high quality communication with who I want. TS3 is perfect for clans because you can have multiple channels in a server in I can be in my squads BF channel then head over to the Starcraft channels and then head over to the CoD and so on and so forth. Then you can set peoples' privilege/clearence in channels so that officers can be have uninterupted meetings and whatnot. Or, you could just use in-game chat...

Adding options doesn't degrade ease of use. Example situation #1; You can A. get your food from Burger King. Example situation #2; You can A. get your food from Burger King, or B. get your food from McDonalds. I prefer example situation #2 since my ease of choosing Burger King is still as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks' but at least then if I choose 'no thanks' I have another option which is also just as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks'.

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] Adding options can definitely be a bad thing when it degrades ease of use. For example, voice chat on PC: there is no standard, and instead of implementing some sort of provider model to allow interoperability between games and voice clients, developers chose to punt and say "this is your problem, you deal with it." Not a very good user experience.lowe0

Really? Because my experience with Teamspeak 3 for my friends (we have one server) and my clan (we have a seperate server) works out perfectly. When I am in game, I don't have to listen to people saying stupid things or holding their mic open with crappy music playing. I get very high quality communication with who I want. TS3 is perfect for clans because you can have multiple channels in a server in I can be in my squads BF channel then head over to the Starcraft channels and then head over to the CoD and so on and so forth. Then you can set peoples' privilege/clearence in channels so that officers can be have uninterupted meetings and whatnot. Or, you could just use in-game chat...

Adding options doesn't degrade ease of use. Example situation #1; You can A. get your food from Burger King. Example situation #2; You can A. get your food from Burger King, or B. get your food from McDonalds. I prefer example situation #2 since my ease of choosing Burger King is still as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks' but at least then if I choose 'no thanks' I have another option which is also just as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks'.

Oh dear Lord. Please read what I am posting. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in my post, "Or, you could just use in-game chat..." Adding the option of TS3, Ventrillo, Skype, etc... doesn't take away in-game chat. On consoles, people might not have their mic or just might not be using it.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="arto1223"]

Really? Because my experience with Teamspeak 3 for my friends (we have one server) and my clan (we have a seperate server) works out perfectly. When I am in game, I don't have to listen to people saying stupid things or holding their mic open with crappy music playing. I get very high quality communication with who I want. TS3 is perfect for clans because you can have multiple channels in a server in I can be in my squads BF channel then head over to the Starcraft channels and then head over to the CoD and so on and so forth. Then you can set peoples' privilege/clearence in channels so that officers can be have uninterupted meetings and whatnot. Or, you could just use in-game chat...

Adding options doesn't degrade ease of use. Example situation #1; You can A. get your food from Burger King. Example situation #2; You can A. get your food from Burger King, or B. get your food from McDonalds. I prefer example situation #2 since my ease of choosing Burger King is still as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks' but at least then if I choose 'no thanks' I have another option which is also just as easy as 'ok' or 'no thanks'.

arto1223

Oh dear Lord. Please read what I am posting. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in my post, "Or, you could just use in-game chat..." Adding the option of TS3, Ventrillo, Skype, etc... doesn't take away in-game chat. On consoles, people might not have their mic or just might not be using it.

[QUOTE="arto1223"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] All of which is great for you, I'm sure, but does nothing to meet my needs. All I need is for the game to automatically connect me to my squad when I join, connect to my new squad if I change squads or teams, and ideally make me audible to people in my immediate in-game area as well. I don't need multiple channels, and I have less than zero interest in clans. In-game chat would help with that, but what assurance do I have that people are on that instead of using TS or Vent instead? Not everyone's needs are the same. What you consider critical features are obstructions needlessly put in my way. That doesn't make either of us wrong, but in the future keep in mind that there are points of view other than your own.lowe0

Oh dear Lord. Please read what I am posting. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in my post, "Or, you could just use in-game chat..." Adding the option of TS3, Ventrillo, Skype, etc... doesn't take away in-game chat. On consoles, people might not have their mic or just might not be using it.

Tell me some recent multiplayer PC games that don't got built in voice chat.

picking up a gtx 560 for this when it drops

I guarantee you the visuals will not be close, please stop deluding yourself. ducati101

[QUOTE="ducati101"][QUOTE="VanDammFan"]

I vote PS3 because the visual will be close but the controller wins every time as far as ease of use and ALREADY configured for perfection. Would rather use XBOX controller but hey, no biggie. Keyboard is just outdated, cumbersome,and too many buttons to mess with.

in before..."OMG yea thats a down side, too many buttons"

I guarantee you the visuals will not be close, please stop deluding yourself. ducati101

Comparing the worse version of the game to the PC? Out of the 3 main platforms?

Fair fight?

Anyone want to bet the PS3 will be the worse version of the game?

Baxhand

picking up a gtx 560 for this when it drops

ExplosiveChorro

You could pick it up for $150 right now, or $180 for the Ti version.

http://www.evga.com/products/prodlist.asp?switch=20

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="arto1223"]

Oh dear Lord. Please read what I am posting. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in my post, "Or, you could just use in-game chat..." Adding the option of TS3, Ventrillo, Skype, etc... doesn't take away in-game chat. On consoles, people might not have their mic or just might not be using it.

NoodleFighter

Tell me some recent multiplayer PC games that don't got built in voice chat.

Seriously. When my friends and I play L4D/2 we are always on TS3 but we still use in-game chat if we are with pubs (we use TS3 when we just want to make fun of our teammates or rage really loud so that the pubs don't get pissed and leave the server). It is really easy, MB4 (mouse button 4) is my TS3 talk button and my left ALT key is in-game chat. I never need to left my hand for either. TS3 is also handy because in most games, you cannot talk with in-game chat durring load screens (BF:BC2 and L4D/2 are two examples of this)which sucks when you want to talk stategy for the very start of the next round (in BF:BC2, find out what kits people will be playing, which flags they will be going after, what strategy/plan to use, etc...)(in L4D/2 whether you want to rush, which way to go out the door, which melee/firearm you want to stake claim to). So again, I prefer the option that gives me a multitude of options and choices without compromising each one's quality or ease of use.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ducati101"] I guarantee you the visuals will not be close, please stop deluding yourself. ducati101

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="arto1223"]

Oh dear Lord. Please read what I am posting. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in my post, "Or, you could just use in-game chat..." Adding the option of TS3, Ventrillo, Skype, etc... doesn't take away in-game chat. On consoles, people might not have their mic or just might not be using it.

NoodleFighter

Tell me some recent multiplayer PC games that don't got built in voice chat.

[QUOTE="lowe0"][QUOTE="arto1223"]

Oh dear Lord. Please read what I am posting. I'll just copy and paste what I wrote in my post, "Or, you could just use in-game chat..." Adding the option of TS3, Ventrillo, Skype, etc... doesn't take away in-game chat. On consoles, people might not have their mic or just might not be using it.

NoodleFighter

Tell me some recent multiplayer PC games that don't got built in voice chat.

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]stuffZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]stuffZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]stuffZombieKiller7

No idea what your talking about. Again, your argument is falling back to trash talking pc gamers... So you took a 700 dollar build I had, went back and started to throw even more parts (ssd + higher video card), (100+ dollar case, 50 dollar more ram) so you could say hey it is 1500 dollars (still not a couple grand as you first proposed in this thread). That is a bit dumbfounded.. Fact you went on to talk about epeens and stereotype people just shows wonders to your whole argument... Pc gamers feeling threatened? LOLwhat? Your really going off the deep end with that type of statement.

Your not making any coherent arguments sadly but you continue to throw in attacks at pc gamers with weird offbase fallacies. You wanted a newegg build less then a couple grand, I gave it to you.. You started to stereotype certain people as babies, your now stating pc gamers feel inadequate and must show off there eppeen, etc etc... WOW... its just sad you don't see how flawed your statements have been.

You do not have to spend 1500 dollars to enjoy gaming in very high quality for years. You can spend that much but I have already given you a simple example of a build 1/2 that. Your "couple grand" statement was a complete fallacy and even with your inflated build it cost less then your statement.

Again, when you make some "claims" and end up following it up with attacks on the people, you are killing your argument and making yourself look really odd in the forum.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"][QUOTE="jedikevin2"]stuffducati101

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]stuffZombieKiller7

[QUOTE="NoodleFighter"]

[QUOTE="lowe0"] It does, actually, due to fragmentation. If your squad is using an external voice client, then they won't be communicating with you on the in-game system; you'll need to join the external server.lowe0

Tell me some recent multiplayer PC games that don't got built in voice chat.

Everyone uses PC's, to do work, to browse, etc. Offloading gaming to a console gives me more freedom in the office. For the first time I can totally abandon Microsoft. I can do all my work on a Macbook, or a Linux box, and not have to worry about compatibility with some game. This to me is much more important, than spending 3x more and have a big hunk of iron sitting on my desk, taking up space, and trying to shove Microsoft down my throat. Do you understand how liberating it is to have an elegant notebook on your desk and alot of clear space? To have everything on your OS actually work correctly? To not see that stupid "Windows" symbol every time you boot up?

ZombieKiller7

What's special about MacOS X?

PS; I have purchased retail/installed/run MacOS X 10.6 "Snow Leopard" + MS Office 2011 For Mac (from my MSDN/Technet sub).

[QUOTE="jedikevin2"]stuffZombieKiller7

Oh yeah, and I won't be getting it on PS3 for a while as I am official YLOD victim! YAY! socomusnavy

I have not even touched my ps3 since I built the rig currently playing witcher 2 on all max ubersampling disabled though.

No idea what your talking about. Again, your argument is falling back to trash talking pc gamers... So you took a 700 dollar build I had, went back and started to throw even more parts (ssd + higher video card), (100+ dollar case, 50 dollar more ram) so you could say hey it is 1500 dollars (still not a couple grand as you first proposed in this thread). That is a bit dumbfounded.. Fact you went on to talk about epeens and stereotype people just shows wonders to your whole argument... Pc gamers feeling threatened? LOLwhat? Your really going off the deep end with that type of statement.Your not making any coherent arguments sadly but you continue to throw in attacks at pc gamers with weird offbase fallacies. You wanted a newegg build less then a couple grand, I gave it to you.. You started to stereotype certain people as babies, your now stating pc gamers feel inadequate and must show off there eppeen, etc etc... WOW... its just sad you don't see how flawed your statements have been.You do not have to spend 1500 dollars to enjoy gaming in very high quality for years. You can spend that much but I have already given you a simple example of a build 1/2 that. Your "couple grand" statement was a complete fallacy and even with your inflated build it cost less then your statement. Again, when you make some "claims" and end up following it up with attacks on the people, you are killing your argument and making yourself look really odd in the forum.jedikevin2

1. Oh yes it could. It just couldn't play them at max. It'd still play any game at 720p at good settings. A $600 build could play everything maxed at 1080p.

2. PC requires more power than consoles do. Simple enough. A 8800GT from 2007 still plays everything today. "Entry level" is cheaper than what it would've been years ago.

3. So are today's consoles.

4. You still put too much unnecessary crap into that build. My last GPU lasted 3 years, and my CPU is from 3 years ago also. I still have another computer with a Pentium D and 8800GT that can play everything from this gen. Does it play them maxed out at 1080p? Not a chance. Still plays better than a console most of the time. The Pentium D is a 2005 processor too.

5. No argument there.

If you kept up with Moore's Law, you'd know it's soon about to be broken. I don't know why you even posted it.

1. Oh yes it could. It just couldn't play them at max. It'd still play any game at 720p at good settings. A $600 build could play everything maxed at 1080p.

2. PC requires more power than consoles do. Simple enough. A 8800GT from 2007 still plays everything today. "Entry level" is cheaper than what it would've been years ago.

3. So are today's consoles.

4. You still put too much unnecessary crap into that build. My last GPU lasted 3 years, and my CPU is from 3 years ago also. I still have another computer with a Pentium D and 8800GT that can play everything from this gen. Does it play them maxed out at 1080p? Not a chance. Still plays better than a console most of the time. The Pentium D is a 2005 processor too.

5. No argument there.

If you kept up with Moore's Law, you'd know it's soon about to be broken. I don't know why you even posted it.

ChubbyGuy40

Um im getting both actually...Im going to give PC gaming a try and im starting with BF3...all my friends are on PS3 though :|

[QUOTE="socomusnavy"]Oh yeah, and I won't be getting it on PS3 for a while as I am official YLOD victim! YAY! xeffectx

I have not even touched my ps3 since I built the rig currently playing witcher 2 on all max ubersampling disabled though.