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[QUOTE="Roushrsh"]I'm hoping it'll be their first M rated FF game. Yes I know what TPS means, I just meant that although its a shooter, it'll hopefully be mainly sword fights.
hayato_
I doubt it will be a shooter. Nomura doesn;t know too much about shooters. It will probably be Action/.RPG
Its be commented that hes been playing alot of Devil May Cry and Ninja Gaiden in his off time though.
They said something about it having certain similaritys to TPSs :S Nomura said "the game play will have third-person-shooter elements like Dirge of the Cerebus"
[QUOTE="Jandurin"]Didn't you know? WoW is also a sandbox game. And an Action Adventure. I was just telling you how I felt. I do consider Diablo an RPG, but not WoW. Just because.trix5817
Too bad. It's an MMORPG which is still an RPG whether you think it should be or not. Sorry....
Like I care what you think :lol: My world is defined by me :)[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry no machine can produce a real rpg the holly grail is to produce a real rpg on a machine. The machine even able to do that is guess what PCAndrew_Xavier
Lulwut? The best part of PC rpgs is the super deep selection of rpgs in the modern era, you've got MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, sloppy seconds, MMORPGs, more MMORPGs, games with zero character development like the witcher, more MMORPGs, and even more MMORPGs!
Sloppy Seconds? What? Explain please....
You're implying that MMORPG's are bad? I don't care if you don't personally like them, but many, many people do. It's an RPG whether you like it or not. Also, I could say the exact same thing about JRPG's, which I absolutely hate.
The Witcher is an excellent RPG and the best WRPG to come in a looong time.
[QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry no machine can produce a real rpg the holly grail is to produce a real rpg on a machine. The machine even able to do that is guess what PCKez1984
Lulwut? The best part of PC rpgs is the super deep selection of rpgs in the modern era, you've got MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, sloppy seconds, MMORPGs, more MMORPGs, games with zero character development like the witcher, more MMORPGs, and even more MMORPGs!
Are you actually going to try argue console rpg's are deeper? They are shallow in comparison son, shallow!
Especially those wacky anime feathery haired metrosexaul japorama ones the Dragonball z kiddie's go coo-coo crazy for!
Difference is: You've never played a jrpg, but, I've played MMORPGs, mmorpgs are as shallow as they come, compare the depth of a Disgaea to any pc rpg.
[QUOTE="trix5817"][QUOTE="Jandurin"]Didn't you know? WoW is also a sandbox game. And an Action Adventure. I was just telling you how I felt. I do consider Diablo an RPG, but not WoW. Just because.Jandurin
Too bad. It's an MMORPG which is still an RPG whether you think it should be or not. Sorry....
Like I care what you think :lol: My world is defined by me :)I'll give you a little advice, mmkay? No body care about your own little world in SW. Your opinion is worthless. It's listed as an RPG so it is, in fact, a type of RPG.
must console games are more close to action rpg's than a real rpg
any way for people don't know what an action rpg is
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Action_role-playing_game
daiblo started this new genre
[QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry no machine can produce a real rpg the holly grail is to produce a real rpg on a machine. The machine even able to do that is guess what PCAndrew_Xavier
Lulwut? The best part of PC rpgs is the super deep selection of rpgs in the modern era, you've got MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, sloppy seconds, MMORPGs, more MMORPGs, games with zero character development like the witcher, more MMORPGs, and even more MMORPGs!
Are you actually going to try argue console rpg's are deeper? They are shallow in comparison son, shallow!
Especially those wacky anime feathery haired metrosexaul japorama ones the Dragonball z kiddie's go coo-coo crazy for!
Difference is: You've never played a jrpg, but, I've played MMORPGs, mmorpgs are as shallow as they come, compare the depth of a Disgaea to any pc rpg.
Assumptions, tut, tut, of course I've played Final Fantasy 67, when cloud and the large breasted anime girl defeated the long haired man-girl it was awsome.
Neverwinter Nights 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask Of the Betrayer are both deeper than any of the games listed by TC. Console games are for leaning back, pc games are for leaning forward, it's why consoles are so popular in the first place.
OMG. I've never been to SW before and as such, I don't know the rules. OMG. OMG OMG OMG. The fanboys are gonna be angry at me because I think their rules are stupid and I just be myself. No, wait, I think I have the right idea, and you're wrong. :)I'll give you a little advice, mmkay? No body care about your own little world in SW. Your opinion is worthless. It's listed as an RPG so it is, in fact, a type of RPG.
trix5817
I used to always say the DS is the king, but I'm going to have to say it's the 360 now.Snowboarder99you have to say in your opion not fact which the pc owns that ground
[QUOTE="Snowboarder99"]I used to always say the DS is the king, but I'm going to have to say it's the 360 now.blackdreamhunkyou have to say in your opion not fact which the pc owns that ground Wow listen to yourself. What he says is opinion but what you say is fact. Hypocrisy.
If you only include this gen only 360 is a better system for rpgs. I love PC mmos heck look at my avatar i love WoW but I still say this gen 360 is better.
Assumptions, tut, tut, of course I've played Final Fantasy 67, when cloud and the large breasted anime girl defeated the long haired man-girl it was awsome.
Neverwinter Nights 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask Of the Betrayer are both deeper than any of the games listed by TC. Console games are for leaning back, pc games are for leaning forward, it's why consoles are so popular in the first place.
Kez1984
MotB is an abomination, I have no idea why I spent so much on it...well, I do, NWN2 was great, either way, not NEARLY as deep as Disgaea, and if Infinite Undiscovery follows through with 1/2 of it's promises, no game will be able to touch it's depth of evolutionary qualities this gen.
you have to say in your opion not fact which the pc owns that ground Wow listen to yourself. What he says is opinion but what you say is fact. Hypocrisy.[QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"][QUOTE="Snowboarder99"]I used to always say the DS is the king, but I'm going to have to say it's the 360 now.rybe1025
If you only include this gen only 360 is a better system for rpgs. I love PC mmos heck look at my avatar i love WoW but I still say this gen 360 is better.
it is fact that 360 cannot compete with the pc, the pc is the complex power enough machine to produce a rpg that is fact.[QUOTE="trix5817"]OMG. I've never been to SW before and as such, I don't know the rules. OMG. OMG OMG OMG. The fanboys are gonna be angry at me because I think their rules are stupid and I just be myself. No, wait, I think I have the right idea, and you're wrong. :)I'll give you a little advice, mmkay? No body care about your own little world in SW. Your opinion is worthless. It's listed as an RPG so it is, in fact, a type of RPG.
Jandurin
Uhhh...what?
I don't care what you think, and neither does anyone else. MMORPG's are RPG's.
I could do the same thing you're doing to JRPG's. So please, just stop with this pathetic nonsense. You're making a fool out of yourself. Rules are rules, if you don't like them, find another forum. Simple as that.
[QUOTE="Kez1984"]Assumptions, tut, tut, of course I've played Final Fantasy 67, when cloud and the large breasted anime girl defeated the long haired man-girl it was awsome.
Neverwinter Nights 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask Of the Betrayer are both deeper than any of the games listed by TC. Console games are for leaning back, pc games are for leaning forward, it's why consoles are so popular in the first place.
Andrew_Xavier
MotB is an abomination, I have no idea why I spent so much on it...well, I do, NWN2 was great, either way, not NEARLY as deep as Disgaea, and if Infinite Undiscovery follows through with 1/2 of it's promises, no game will be able to touch it's depth of evolutionary qualities this gen.
Rubbish, you keep thinking that.
Also, it's the other way around.
Lawl. You find another forum. Please, do as you like to JRPGs, I won't bat an eye. You think anyone cares what you think anymore than they care what I think? I will continue to think as I do, for as long as I want to. Nowhere in the ToU does it say that I must accept game categorization distinctions as fact.Uhhh...what?
I don't care what you think, and neither does anyone else. MMORPG's are RPG's.
I could do the same thing you're doing to JRPG's. So please, just stop with this pathetic nonsense. You're making a fool out of yourself. Rules are rules, if you don't like them, find another forum. Simple as that.
trix5817
It's kinda sad to say that the 360 is the RPG king this gen.Now that's a fair answer.
Compared to the PS1 and the PS2, this gen is only lacking in RPGs. The 360 can have its crown of **** if you ask me.
DireToad
[QUOTE="Kez1984"][QUOTE="Andrew_Xavier"][QUOTE="blackdreamhunk"]sorry no machine can produce a real rpg the holly grail is to produce a real rpg on a machine. The machine even able to do that is guess what PCAndrew_Xavier
Lulwut? The best part of PC rpgs is the super deep selection of rpgs in the modern era, you've got MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, MMORPGs, sloppy seconds, MMORPGs, more MMORPGs, games with zero character development like the witcher, more MMORPGs, and even more MMORPGs!
Are you actually going to try argue console rpg's are deeper? They are shallow in comparison son, shallow!
Especially those wacky anime feathery haired metrosexaul japorama ones the Dragonball z kiddie's go coo-coo crazy for!
Difference is: You've never played a jrpg, but, I've played MMORPGs, mmorpgs are as shallow as they come, compare the depth of a Disgaea to any pc rpg.
Whoa, I wouldnt expect you to be so blatantly fanboyish...
[QUOTE="trix5817"]Lawl. You find another forum. Please, do as you like to JRPGs, I won't bat an eye. You think anyone cares what you think anymore than they care what I think? I will continue to think as I do, for as long as I want to. Nowhere in the ToU does it say that I must accept game categorization distinctions as fact.Uhhh...what?
I don't care what you think, and neither does anyone else. MMORPG's are RPG's.
I could do the same thing you're doing to JRPG's. So please, just stop with this pathetic nonsense. You're making a fool out of yourself. Rules are rules, if you don't like them, find another forum. Simple as that.
Jandurin
You keep thinking what you want. An MMORPG is an RPG (*hint: look at the RPG in MMORPG), just as a JRPG is a different type of RPG and the same with WRPG. They are all RPG's. I really don't know why it is so hard for you to accept this fact. But again, think what you want. But don't go spouting crap out like MMORPG's don't count as RPG's and that they can't be listed as RPG's in SW. You can't say that the 360 has better RPG's then the PC based on you throwing all PC MMORPG's out the window. Sorry, that's just not the way it works (well, I guess in you're own little imaginary world it does).
On paper (I don't care for your opinion, just as you don't care for mine), the PC seems to have the better lineup.
Honestly, TWO WORLDS?VandalvideoVandal. The PC360wii guy wants you to convince me that WoW is a proper RPG >_>
But don't go spouting crap out like MMORPG's don't count as RPG's and that they can't be listed as RPG's in SW. trix5817you can say it all you want. I just won't consider them. Just like I don't consider sport games as part of a console lineup. I game for me, not to win at SW.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Honestly, TWO WORLDS?JandurinVandal. The PC360wii guy wants you to convince me that WoW is a proper RPG >_> Incredibly deep story, tons of character progression, bosses, quests, dice gameplay. I mean it has all the trappings of a RPG. Heck theres even story progression for your character that directly relates to your actions: You, the character, foolishly unleash an old god into the world (Hakkar) in the sunken temple. You, the character, are then tasked with the removal of said old god. You, the character, then gains widespread recognition and are later tasked with keeping the dragonkin in check. After you stop the evil dragonkin, the other dragons help you when C'thun invades the world (Yay for C'thulhu rip off!). I mean I could go on. Better question is, why don't you think its a proper rpg?
[QUOTE="trix5817"]But don't go spouting crap out like MMORPG's don't count as RPG's and that they can't be listed as RPG's in SW. Jandurinyou can say it all you want. I just won't consider them. Just like I don't consider sport games as part of a console lineup. I game for me, not to win at SW.
You respond to one sentence out of that whole post. Hmm...
I game for me also. But this is SW, nobody cares about what you or I personally like.
In your opinion the 360's RPG's are better. But on paper, they aren't. This is how SW works.
[QUOTE="trix5817"]But don't go spouting crap out like MMORPG's don't count as RPG's and that they can't be listed as RPG's in SW. Jandurinyou can say it all you want. I just won't consider them. Just like I don't consider sport games as part of a console lineup. I game for me, not to win at SW.
I know this is a silly comparison, one being incredible worse than the other, but if you make up your own things in your mind, then Hitler wasnt wrong either, agree? I bet he thought slaughtering all non-caucasians was right too, he shouldnt of been corrected?
If you dont listen to the logical rules here by common decency at times like this, then your useless to any kind of debate, I cant for the love of god figure why such a stupid thing was said that sparked so many pages.
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Honestly, TWO WORLDS?JandurinVandal. The PC360wii guy wants you to convince me that WoW is a proper RPG >_>I am going to have to agree with the hermits that WoW is very much a RPG even though many of them are acting like annoying elitest.
There is a ton of story you just are not told it through cgi cut scenes like many famous RPGs. You upgrade stats and armor like games such as FF. You get to choose your race,name, and look
You, the character, foolishly unleash an old god into the world (Hakkar) in the sunken temple. Better question is, why don't you think its a proper rpg?VandalvideoI don't think I've got that far, yet. Oh, just because it doesn't feel like one.
I've never played a 360 RPG >_> Why would I think they're better. There are just more of them.In your opinion the 360's RPG's are better. But on paper, they aren't. This is how SW works.
trix5817
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]You, the character, foolishly unleash an old god into the world (Hakkar) in the sunken temple. Better question is, why don't you think its a proper rpg?JandurinI don't think I've got that far, yet. Oh, just because it doesn't feel like one. I mean I don't know what to tell you if you just think it doesn't feel like one. It has all the regular trappings of an RPG (that I listed). Are there anything you feel thats missing?
Well, see, *I* would correct such a person, but he could still think that. Regardless, that's a far deviation from something as simple as video game genre determination.I know this is a silly comparison, one being incredible worse than the other, but if you make up your own things in your mind, then Hitler wasnt wrong either, agree? I bet he thought slaughtering all non-caucasians was right too, he shouldnt of been corrected?
PC360Wii
[QUOTE="Snowboarder99"]I used to always say the DS is the king, but I'm going to have to say it's the 360 now.blackdreamhunkyou have to say in your opion not fact which the pc owns that ground
Of course it's my opinion. I'm the one who said it. It's also my opinion that the 360 has better RPGs than the PC
I mean I don't know what to tell you if you just think it doesn't feel like one. It has all the regular trappings of an RPG (that I listed). Are there anything you feel thats missing?VandalvideoMostly, an endpoint. A goal.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Honestly, TWO WORLDS?VandalvideoVandal. The PC360wii guy wants you to convince me that WoW is a proper RPG >_> Incredibly deep story, tons of character progression, bosses, quests, dice gameplay. I mean it has all the trappings of a RPG. Heck theres even story progression for your character that directly relates to your actions: You, the character, foolishly unleash an old god into the world (Hakkar) in the sunken temple. You, the character, are then tasked with the removal of said old god. You, the character, then gains widespread recognition and are later tasked with keeping the dragonkin in check. After you stop the evil dragonkin, the other dragons help you when C'thun invades the world (Yay for C'thulhu rip off!). I mean I could go on. Better question is, why don't you think its a proper rpg?
Good Luck getting that question anwsered..... Jandurin has no reason, its just because he thinks so? :I .... which is just weird imo.
Its like me saying Gears of War was a rail shooter or something..
[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]I mean I don't know what to tell you if you just think it doesn't feel like one. It has all the regular trappings of an RPG (that I listed). Are there anything you feel thats missing?JandurinMostly, an endpoint. A goal. Its kind of hard to have an endpoint when you have a product thats constantly evolving. I see tons of RPGs on consoles that are beginning to have the same kind of content longevity as MMOs now as well. What would happen to Mass Effect once they start pumping out all the DLC. Or how about Fable for that matter? Can you really define an RPG by having a finite goal anymoer?
[QUOTE="trix5817"]I've never played a 360 RPG >_> Why would I think they're better. There are just more of them.In your opinion the 360's RPG's are better. But on paper, they aren't. This is how SW works.
Jandurin
I never said you did. But you did say that the 360 was better for RPG's.
Jandurin: "and 360 for both"
Its kind of hard to have an endpoint when you have a product thats constantly evolving. I see tons of RPGs on consoles that are beginning to have the same kind of content longevity as MMOs now as well. What would happen to Mass Effect once they start pumping out all the DLC. Or how about Fable for that matter? Can you really define an RPG by having a finite goal anymoer?VandalvideoTo be honest, it makes more sense for there to be no final goal. It's frustrating, though. I'm just not used to it. I'm sure I'll eventually come to some determination. I've been riling people a bit for fun.
[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="trix5817"]Which made perfect sense in context. It has the most WRPG and JRPG games of any system. Together. Am I wrong?Jandurin: "and 360 for both"
trix5817
[QUOTE="Kez1984"]Assumptions, tut, tut, of course I've played Final Fantasy 67, when cloud and the large breasted anime girl defeated the long haired man-girl it was awsome.
Neverwinter Nights 2 and Neverwinter Nights 2: Mask Of the Betrayer are both deeper than any of the games listed by TC. Console games are for leaning back, pc games are for leaning forward, it's why consoles are so popular in the first place.
Andrew_Xavier
MotB is an abomination, I have no idea why I spent so much on it...well, I do, NWN2 was great, either way, not NEARLY as deep as Disgaea, and if Infinite Undiscovery follows through with 1/2 of it's promises, no game will be able to touch it's depth of evolutionary qualities this gen.
whoa?? i thought mask of the betrayer was a hell of a lot better then NWN 2
Note: i didnt like NWN 2
This is what a real RPG is: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26133608
Click the second link in my sig to find out why they are doomed.
EDIT: Wait I think I misread, wasn't this thread having a argument about what a 'real' RPG is a few pages ago? :( I just skimmed through it. But I'm marking now so I can read it later. I like the WRPG vs JRPG debate.
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