Zelda: TP without a single doubt.
The system wars board didn't even existed yet, when Daikatana flopped.
Biggest flop in system wars history?
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I actually think Lair is the least flop of all of those considering Factor 5 never made a sure fire hit in the past.Carmilla31
Oh please. Whenever I said Lair was going to be crap one of any number of times in the past year, cows would always say, "But it's Factor 5! They did SUCH good work on the GameCube with Rogue Squadron II!"
Metroid and Zelda definitely do not deserve to be up there on that list. No matter how haters want to spin it, 8.8 and 8.5 are still just miniscule increments away from AAA. Lair failed to even match its lowest hyped score, which is A, by a CHASM. Blue Dragon can be said to be a huge flop, as well, but opinions strongly vary about Blue Dragon--Blue Dragon did get 7.9 in IGN, and it got a, what, 33 in Famitsu?--whereas it's almost unanimous that Lair sucks.
I don't remember enough about Daikatana, but Lair is surely up there as one of the worst flops in history.
just face it sony fanboys, another game that was on your list of reasons to buy a PS3 bombed, BOMBED! Â
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
Tamarind_Face
comparing zelda tp to 9/11.
what the hell is wrong with you??
Zelda TP becuase this game was being hyped to a near perfect,yeah i know offically AAA but alot of people said it would BETTER the OoT and it under scored to AA. i can see lair too but the reason i say TP is becuase once lair started having some negitive stuff about it lairs hype was stopped in an instance i haven't heard i cow in the past month hype lair as even being a good game anymoreRagashahs
thanks for proving the point. people went out and actually bought TP despite the score it got here - people are avoiding lair like the plague and pretending it doesn't exist. thank you, you just completely admitted lair is the biggest flop on this list.
[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
6matt6
comparing zelda tp to 9/11.
what the hell is wrong with you??
denial. A lot of fanboys can't face the fact that lair is one of the worst flops everIt's obvious none of you were around when Daikatana came out. It's by far the biggest flop in history. It was hyped as a divine revolution in gaming godness for its like 5 year development.
...and it was a mammoth piece of crap. Scored a 4.6 I think.
NerdMan
You don't remember that when Daikatana started nearing its release it was also receiving plenty of hate? Romero in particular was getting grilled for his idiotic "I'm gonna make you my b**ch" advertisements, which only made people hate the game even before it came out. People started realizing it probably wouldn't turn out too hot. It was a big flop because of the resources and time spent and it basically destroyed Ion Storm, but it wasn't that surprising of one considering the thing was basically shovelware. Plenty of people predicted it.
[QUOTE="JPOBS"]If I chose 5 games, they would be: Shenmue Twilight Princess Killzone Daikatana FableMine would be:this list is horrible.
no fable, no killzone, no doom 3, no mario sunshine. Geez, you act like sw was just created in 2006...
saeriously, this list is a pos.
TargetDog
Twilight princess: hyped as AAAA and Goty
Killzone: hyped as halo killer
Fable: hyped as best rpg ever
Mario sunshine: basically established the term flop in sw.
Blinx: hyped as mario killer.
i laugh at everyone of you that doesn't say lair. you are in some serious denial and i love how you hide behind the fact and pretend TP was hyped at AAAA. by who? one fanboy in one topic that everyone knows is full of crap. that's complete BS and you're either making it a much bigger deal than it really is (after all, an 8.8 is still a great score for any game, no matter the franchise) or feeling pathetic for hyping up yet another game in a long list of games that ends up bombing on a POS system. TP was a AAA title for sure, but lair was easily an AA if not an AAA by countless, COUNTLESS amounts of people - far more so than any AAAA predicition that you suggest on zelda.You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.
just face it sony fanboys, another game that was on your list of reasons to buy a PS3 bombed, BOMBED! phantas777
Obviously you weren't here to see how sheep were total jack***** hyping Zelda TP.
Bu, but teh unfloppable!11 teh G0d killer!11
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
Tamarind_Face
Please. So Zelda TP went from being THE greatest games of all time to being ONE of the greatest games of all time. Yeah, huge floppage. Meanwhile, Lair misses its score by FOUR FULL POINTS. Even if you say it was hyped A, it's STILL one of the single most disappointing releases ever.
[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
6matt6
comparing zelda tp to 9/11.
what the hell is wrong with you??
Im talking about the number not the tradegy. Ok I shouldve used the number 666 as a comparison.You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.[QUOTE="phantas777"]i laugh at everyone of you that doesn't say lair. you are in some serious denial and i love how you hide behind the fact and pretend TP was hyped at AAAA. by who? one fanboy in one topic that everyone knows is full of crap. that's complete BS and you're either making it a much bigger deal than it really is (after all, an 8.8 is still a great score for any game, no matter the franchise) or feeling pathetic for hyping up yet another game in a long list of games that ends up bombing on a POS system. TP was a AAA title for sure, but lair was easily an AA if not an AAA by countless, COUNTLESS amounts of people - far more so than any AAAA predicition that you suggest on zelda.
just face it sony fanboys, another game that was on your list of reasons to buy a PS3 bombed, BOMBED! Panzer_Zwei
Obviously you weren't here to see how sheep were total jack***** hyping Zelda TP.
Bu, but teh unfloppable!11 teh G0d killer!11
Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river. The fact is, Zelda missed its AAA hype by a hair's breadth (honestly, no one but the most illogical, extreme fanboys would ever hype a game AAAA, so STFU about it already). Lair missed its AA hype, or even A hype, by a margin so wide that you could parallel park an oil tanker in it.
[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
6matt6
comparing zelda tp to 9/11.
what the hell is wrong with you??
yeah seriously, that's just idiotic. and we're still going to remember zelda's floppage??? zelda is still one of the biggest sellers on wii and people will be buying it throughout the holiday season. lair will be in one of those discontinued 19.99 walmart tubs by april.
It has to be Zelda.
People went crazy over it. Not so much for Lair, after horrible of reviews lately, it was pretty much known that it would.
[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.[QUOTE="phantas777"]i laugh at everyone of you that doesn't say lair. you are in some serious denial and i love how you hide behind the fact and pretend TP was hyped at AAAA. by who? one fanboy in one topic that everyone knows is full of crap. that's complete BS and you're either making it a much bigger deal than it really is (after all, an 8.8 is still a great score for any game, no matter the franchise) or feeling pathetic for hyping up yet another game in a long list of games that ends up bombing on a POS system. TP was a AAA title for sure, but lair was easily an AA if not an AAA by countless, COUNTLESS amounts of people - far more so than any AAAA predicition that you suggest on zelda.
just face it sony fanboys, another game that was on your list of reasons to buy a PS3 bombed, BOMBED! mjarantilla
Obviously you weren't here to see how sheep were total jack***** hyping Zelda TP.
Bu, but teh unfloppable!11 teh G0d killer!11
Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river. The fact is, Zelda missed its AAA hype by a hair's breadth (honestly, no one but the most illogical, extreme fanboys would ever hype a game AAAA, so STFU about it already). Lair missed its AA hype, or even A hype, by a margin so wide that you could parallel park an oil tanker in it.
Zelda is a big franchise. Lair was new and it was only hyped at AA.
Didn't you see how Sheep reacted?
[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
mjarantilla
Please. So Zelda TP went from being THE greatest games of all time to being ONE of the greatest games of all time. Yeah, huge floppage. Meanwhile, Lair misses its score by FOUR FULL POINTS. Even if you say it was hyped A, it's STILL one of the single most disappointing releases ever.
Yes it flopped but was it big as Zelda in terms of floppage? No. But I agree Lair is disappointing for the people that were hyped for it. I was never excited with lair nor did I hype it.[QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
Tamarind_Face
How is TP "the biggest flop in gaming history"? TP is only even a flop in SW. Everywhere else it's considered excellent. Lair, on the other hand, isn't only considered a flop in SW. It's gotten almost exclusively poor reviews.
But even then, stop me when I say something that isn't true:
1) Lair received considerable AAA GOTY hype
2) Lair received a score of 4.5/10
That = biggest SW flop ever. How do you argue against it? GOTY contenders aren't supposed to score 4.5/10, are they? The main reason for all the TP controversy was because Gamespot scored it lower than basically everyone else. But it still got a high score. Lair is just a flat-out tragedy.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"]You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.[QUOTE="phantas777"]i laugh at everyone of you that doesn't say lair. you are in some serious denial and i love how you hide behind the fact and pretend TP was hyped at AAAA. by who? one fanboy in one topic that everyone knows is full of crap. that's complete BS and you're either making it a much bigger deal than it really is (after all, an 8.8 is still a great score for any game, no matter the franchise) or feeling pathetic for hyping up yet another game in a long list of games that ends up bombing on a POS system. TP was a AAA title for sure, but lair was easily an AA if not an AAA by countless, COUNTLESS amounts of people - far more so than any AAAA predicition that you suggest on zelda.
just face it sony fanboys, another game that was on your list of reasons to buy a PS3 bombed, BOMBED! XenogearsMaster
Obviously you weren't here to see how sheep were total jack***** hyping Zelda TP.
Bu, but teh unfloppable!11 teh G0d killer!11
Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river. The fact is, Zelda missed its AAA hype by a hair's breadth (honestly, no one but the most illogical, extreme fanboys would ever hype a game AAAA, so STFU about it already). Lair missed its AA hype, or even A hype, by a margin so wide that you could parallel park an oil tanker in it.
Zelda is a big franchise. Lair was new and it was only hyped at AA.
Didn't you see how Sheep reacted?
i don't know, where they being this piss poor at defending an actual good game from scoring .2 less than what they hoped compared to people now who are defending a crap game acting like an 8.8 is the biggest flop ever? cause that's just funny.Â
Sheep cried it already, or have you forgotten? since no one has whined more in the history of SW.Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river. The fact is, Zelda missed its AAA hype by a hair's breadth (honestly, no one but the most illogical, extreme fanboys would ever hype a game AAAA, so STFU about it already). Lair missed its AA hype, or even A hype, by a margin so wide that you could parallel park an oil tanker in it.
mjarantilla
You think Lair was the same level of flop that Zelda: TP in here? you obviously have no idea neither, nowhere the same level of impact nor reaction.
2. The Legend of Zelda Majora's Mask
3. Lair
4. Super Mario Sunshine
5. Brute Force
Best 5 I can come up with.
[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
Zeliard9
How is TP "the biggest flop in gaming history"? TP is only even a flop in SW. Everywhere else it's considered excellent. Lair, on the other hand, isn't only considered a flop in SW. It's gotten almost exclusively poor reviews.
But even then, stop me when I say something that isn't true:
1) Lair received considerable AAA GOTY hype
2) Lair received a score of 4.5/10
That = biggest SW flop ever. How do you argue against it? GOTY contenders aren't supposed to score 4.5/10, are they? The main reason for all the TP controversy was because Gamespot scored it lower than basically everyone else. But it still got a high score. Lair is just a flat-out tragedy.
thank you. i understand that SW purists don't want to take other sites into account but it's just sad that people here are reaching out far enough to pretend an 8.8 is such a huge flop when that's still a good score no matter the franchise and it was well received by everyone else.
how the hell is anyone denying this? an 8.8 is like "yeah, this isn't the best the franchise has to offer - but it's still zelda and check it out" - that's a good thing. a 4.5 was "yeah, this was supposed to be a reason to buy a PS3 and it's one of the biggest disappointments, worse games controls we've played in a long time."
zelda is just shy of being rated at bioshock level.
lair is bomberman zero worthy.
are any of you catching on yet?
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]Sheep cried it already, or have you forgotten? since no one has whined more in the history of SW.Boo hoo hoo, cry me a river. The fact is, Zelda missed its AAA hype by a hair's breadth (honestly, no one but the most illogical, extreme fanboys would ever hype a game AAAA, so STFU about it already). Lair missed its AA hype, or even A hype, by a margin so wide that you could parallel park an oil tanker in it.
Panzer_Zwei
You think Lair was the same level of flop that Zelda: TP in here? you obviously have no idea neither, nowhere the same level of impact nor reaction.
There's no denying that the short term reaction to the flopping of TP was intense and one of the biggest in SW history, but in the long run it didn't matter. TP was still a GOTY nominee and a killer app, but Lair will be a pit of inky black suckiness forever.
If you want to limit the scope of your argument to a few short days of blustering, fine, because I and everyone else with sense knows that TP will still go down in VG history as a great installment to a great series, one of the best games to come out of 2006, and THE greatest launch game for this generation, bar none (yeah, PDZ is better, right *snicker*). Lair, however, will be forgotten, and THAT is the ultimate floppage for a game that was once hyped to be the PS3's answer to Gears of War (graphically) and a killer app (yeah, THAT's likely now. har har.)
Lair.
But Twilight Princess caused the loudest crying.
...and let's not forget the Resistance belly-aching and porn suicides.
Still, this was a flagship title. The hallmark for what could be done on the PS3 and not on the competitions's box. The justification for "teh cell" and "teh true hd 1080p" built-in.
all of those things...those E3 claims...have fallen on their face. officially. that makes this the biggest flop. TP and Resistance were only a few tenths of a point away from noboby crying at all. This is...yikes.
[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
Tamarind_Face
Please. So Zelda TP went from being THE greatest games of all time to being ONE of the greatest games of all time. Yeah, huge floppage. Meanwhile, Lair misses its score by FOUR FULL POINTS. Even if you say it was hyped A, it's STILL one of the single most disappointing releases ever.
Yes it flopped but was it big as Zelda in terms of floppage? No. But I agree Lair is disappointing for the people that were hyped for it. I was never excited with lair nor did I hype it. What YOU think doesn't matter. The COMMUNITY expected AA, and a large number of cows expected AAA. It was the ONLY PS3 game cows had to justify 1080p (Ninja Gaiden Sigma was an Xbox port, so lems could always claim it was a simpler game), and it was supposed to blow everyone away with its graphical greatness. Every week, there would be a new thread with a new screenshot or two and more AAA hype.It missed all that by MILES. Hell, even the worst projections by Lair's biggest haters put it at 5.0-6.0. NO ONE expected 4.5. Not even me, and I've been saying that Lair would be crap since TGS 06.
[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
Zeliard9
How is TP "the biggest flop in gaming history"? TP is only even a flop in SW. Everywhere else it's considered excellent. Lair, on the other hand, isn't only considered a flop in SW. It's gotten almost exclusively poor reviews.
But even then, stop me when I say something that isn't true:
1) Lair received considerable AAA GOTY hype
2) Lair received a score of 4.5/10
That = biggest SW flop ever. How do you argue against it? GOTY contenders aren't supposed to score 4.5/10, are they? The main reason for all the TP controversy was because Gamespot scored it lower than basically everyone else. But it still got a high score. Lair is just a flat-out tragedy.
Who said Lair was a GOTY contender? it was hyped AA, have you ever seen a game which scored AA considered to be a GOTY contender. STop making stuff up.
You say TP floped only in SW but when I lurk on other forums, the number 8.8 is always mentioned even to this day. Will you see gamers speak about lair on other forums and remember it as like the date of their birthday.
And please some other site gave TP a lower score. The controversy is Gamespot was the only site that wasn't shrouded by hype and fanboyism.
Lair without a doubt.
I had Twighlight Princesspegged as a AAA game and it ended up missing the mark by a tenth of a point.
I mean, how the hell can a game with a score of 8.9 be considered a flop?
It still turned out to be a very good game andalthough it isn't up to par with A Link to the Past or Ocarina of Time, it's still a great installment in arguably the greatest gaming franchise of all-time.
Lair was hyped by many people to be a AAA title and I think it's safe to say that the majority of gamers looking forward to it's release had it pegged as atleast a AA game.
It got a score of 4.5 people
This was one of the most looked forward too titles for Sony fans and it nosedived straight into the ground.
Metroid Prime: Hunters
Sheep were whining for a week.
caje47
There's simply no purpose to whining about this one. the game is just that bad, as confirmed by every self-respecting gaming periodical and website.
it's the uninversal nature of the hatred of this game that makes it so huge. it's not controversial...it's clear and concise.
this game was expected to be 1080p/60 and "godly" according to many. this game crashed and burned like few with this brand of hype and big a budget ever do.
Pfft... TP was definitely a bigger flop than Lair. Nobody except the cows hyped Lair, but everybody expected TP to get AAA...Funkyhamsteryep totally agree lair was hyped A because that was pretty much the lowest you can hype it i don't know why anyone would consider it the biggest flop
Lairmmogoon
How the hell is Lair the biggest flop? It was only hyped AA. Not that big of a deal. At least not compared to Twilight Princess.
Also Fable was hyped to be AAA and one of the best RPG's of all time (not sure if many Lems said that though). Jade Empire was hyped AAA andI remembermajority of Lems claiming it would bebetter than Kotor.
I say Twilight princess. It was hyped AAAA and got AA.
LAIR!
bu bu but it cant be done on the 360!:cry: (Not interested, keep it)
Art_424
keep the trash for yourselves cows :lol:
[QUOTE="Zeliard9"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="Zeliard9"]Lair was hyped AA. And TP is still the biggest flop in gaming history, Zelda is the biggest franchise. Arguably(sp?) bigger than Halo... its floppage is legendary. 8.8 is like the new 9/11. After 2 to 3 months we'll forget about lair but will still remember Zelda's floppage.How is it not Lair? Lair got a 4.5. You don't really compete with that. It's a 4.5. The types of games that get scores like that are ones that are never hyped and everybody knows they'll be horrible, and they're released and nobody buys them and that's it. Lair on the other hand received MASSIVE hype and was pegged as AAA GOTY by plenty. It also received a lot of hype from other publications. A game with that kinda hype getting a 4.5 from Gamespot? 4.9 from IGN? That's what makes this such a big deal.
Lair is the biggest video game flop probably ever based on its hype, not just in SW. I can't think of a single other game from any generation that received the hype Lair did and came crashing down as hard when all was said and done. Daikatana's close, but even then a lot of people had reservations about it since John Romero is a douchebag.
Tamarind_Face
How is TP "the biggest flop in gaming history"? TP is only even a flop in SW. Everywhere else it's considered excellent. Lair, on the other hand, isn't only considered a flop in SW. It's gotten almost exclusively poor reviews.
But even then, stop me when I say something that isn't true:
1) Lair received considerable AAA GOTY hype
2) Lair received a score of 4.5/10
That = biggest SW flop ever. How do you argue against it? GOTY contenders aren't supposed to score 4.5/10, are they? The main reason for all the TP controversy was because Gamespot scored it lower than basically everyone else. But it still got a high score. Lair is just a flat-out tragedy.
Who said Lair was a GOTY contender? it was hyped AA, have you ever seen a game which scored AA considered to be a GOTY contender. STop making stuff up.
You say TP floped only in SW but when I lurk on other forums, the number 8.8 is always mentioned even to this day. Will you see gamers speak about lair on other forums and remember it as like the date of their birthday.
And please some other site gave TP a lower score. The controversy is Gamespot was the only site that wasn't shrouded by hype and fanboyism.
People mention the 8.8 because it was out of the ordinary. I'm sorry, but GameSpot is not the be-all-end-all of game criticism in the world (hey, you're the one who brought up other websites, so don't go crying, "Only GS scores matter here!"). When 99% of game reviews give it 9.0 to 9.9, and two sites give it 8.9 and under, you KNOW that those latter two scores are an aberration. They're like the two random critics that would give The Godfather or Citizen Kane a bad score that you just ignore.
A bigger flop is simply to score badly across MANY sites and get discarded like a dishrag after being held up on a pedestal, i.e. LAIR.
[QUOTE="mmogoon"]LairEpisode_Eve
How the hell is Lair the biggest flop? It was only hyped AA. Not that big of a deal. At least not compared to Twilight Princess.
Also Fable was hyped to be AAA and one of the best RPG's of all time (not sure if many Lems said that though). Jade Empire was hyped AAA andI remembermajority of Lems claiming it would bebetter than Kotor.
I say Twilight princess. It was hyped AAAA and got AA.
it's simple math. take the lowest score needed for the game not to flop and subtract from that the score it got. lair is the biggest flop of the generation and the 2nd biggest flop of all time right behind pn03.
[QUOTE="mmogoon"]LairEpisode_Eve
How the hell is Lair the biggest flop? It was only hyped AA. Not that big of a deal. At least not compared to Twilight Princess.
Also Fable was hyped to be AAA and one of the best RPG's of all time (not sure if many Lems said that though). Jade Empire was hyped AAA andI remembermajority of Lems claiming it would bebetter than Kotor.
I say Twilight princess. It was hyped AAAA and got AA.
1. TP wasnt hyped AAAA
2. Lair was hyped AAA
3. Lair is the biggest flop, followed by killzone, then TP
[QUOTE="mmogoon"]LairEpisode_Eve
How the hell is Lair the biggest flop? It was only hyped AA. Not that big of a deal. At least not compared to Twilight Princess.
Also Fable was hyped to be AAA and one of the best RPG's of all time (not sure if many Lems said that though). Jade Empire was hyped AAA andI remembermajority of Lems claiming it would bebetter than Kotor.
I say Twilight princess. It was hyped AAAA and got AA.
Only the most extreme idiots ever hyped it AAAA. Just as many idiots hyped Lair AAA.
Put this in perspective: What was TP's lowest expected score? The most extreme haters probably said TP would score only in the A range.
Now, what was LAIR'S lowest expected score? Probably in the sub-A range, about 5.0 to 6.5. Lair plummeted BELOW that. How is TP a worse flop than this? TP barely missed AAA by 0.1. Lair missed its lowest projected score by two full points
What YOU think doesn't matter. The COMMUNITY expected AA, and a large number of cows expected AAA. It missed that by MILES. Hell, even the worst projections by Lair's biggest haters put it at 5.0-6.0. NO ONE expected 4.5. Not even me, and I've been saying that Lair would be crap since TGS 06.
mjarantilla
Please mention the names of these "large number of cows" please.:roll:
Were you shocked with lair's score? well I wasnt. The only thing that impressed me with lair was it graphics. Lair's floppage is just reality in our faces while TP's was unreal. I predicted its floppage but never expected it to happen. The flops that are huge are the ones that we remember because of the shock.
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