Biggest flop in system wars history?

[QUOTE="MGS9150"]

What about red steel, it was hyped AAA and it got 5.5 thats a difference of 3.5. Lair was hyped AA and got 4.5 thats also a difference of 3.5. I think they tie.

Tamarind_Face

They're just gonna ignore your post because lair is the new fad right now.

Yes, Red Steel would be an equal flop to Lair. Surprised no one's mentioned it.

[QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man that number looked like 1,200,000 when I got to it that night lol. But in all seriousness the biggest flop ever has got to be Daikatana. Now I know people will talk about impact and whatever. But impact has nothing to do with anything because all impact is, is a bunch of fanboys sheep and haters a like laughing, crying, and whining about given sitiuation.

Daikatana was an absolute disaster. On it own right Zelda TP is a good game but Daikatana actually was so bad that it closed down Ion Storm's Dallas office. The deving was an absolute disaster. Disgruntled employess quitting, the game was lagging behind visually by newer game engines, the dude even hired his playboy girlfriend as a level designer lol. The thing was like one huge soap operah spanning 1997 to 2000 with all the constant delays. The game was supposed to be done in 7 monthes. It took four freaking years lol.

"John Romero will make you his B!@CH!"

"Everything John Romero touches will turn to gold."

Ha what a joke. Not only is this the biggest flop in the history of Video Games it will go down as the biggest embarrassment and humiliation to any developer, EVER.

Panzer_Zwei

Even then I still couldn't say Zelda even coming from a guy (which is me) who's favorite franchise is Zelda. If its to be labled to biggest flop of all time then so be it. But like I said the magnitude and impact doesn't mean jack. All it is, is a bunch of fanboys screaming back and forth like they always do. Hell a Zelda has gotten an 8.0 before its not like it was something new. Final Fantasy and Zelda the two most historicly beloved franchises have each had 2 games in the 8's and its never been a huge deal.

When I think flops I think Killzone, Daikatana, and recently Blue Dragon and Lair. I think of Zelda TP as a dissapointment but definately far from the biggest flop of all time.

Score wise. LoZ just ROCKED system wars.

This Lair score was really expected, as the hype just died in the last 2 weeks. No one expected LoZ not getting AAA.

Daikatana was a huge disaster and likely the biggest embarrassment in gaming history, but honestly, a flop? I don't know that I would even use that word at all to describe it, honestly. Do you guys seriously not remember how many people were hating on that game and on John Romero/Ion Storm before its release? Most. A game flopping to me implies a lot of people thought it would be a good. A lot of people didn't think Daikatana would be good, especially not towards the end. Not after 4 years of shovelware and Romero's empty promises and general douchebaggery.

The infamy surrounding Daikatana has mostly do to Romero's lavishing himself with a multi-million dollar office at the Ion Storm Dallas headquarters, his place in the industry at the time, Ion Storm's controversial method of marketing the game, and how long it was in development for. It wasn't necessarily because people thought Daikatana would be really good and it ended up being garbage, though the low quality of the final version certainly did play a part.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]

Man that number looked like 1,200,000 when I got to it that night lol. But in all seriousness the biggest flop ever has got to be Daikatana. Now I know people will talk about impact and whatever. But impact has nothing to do with anything because all impact is, is a bunch of fanboys sheep and haters a like laughing, crying, and whining about given sitiuation.

Daikatana was an absolute disaster. On it own right Zelda TP is a good game but Daikatana actually was so bad that it closed down Ion Storm's Dallas office. The deving was an absolute disaster. Disgruntled employess quitting, the game was lagging behind visually by newer game engines, the dude even hired his playboy girlfriend as a level designer lol. The thing was like one huge soap operah spanning 1997 to 2000 with all the constant delays. The game was supposed to be done in 7 monthes. It took four freaking years lol.

"John Romero will make you his B!@CH!"

"Everything John Romero touches will turn to gold."

Ha what a joke. Not only is this the biggest flop in the history of Video Games it will go down as the biggest embarrassment and humiliation to any developer, EVER.

Blackbond

Even then I still couldn't say Zelda even coming from a guy (which is me) who's favorite franchise is Zelda. If its to be labled to biggest flop of all time then so be it. But like I said the magnitude and impact doesn't mean jack. All it is, is a bunch of fanboys screaming back and forth like they always do. Hell a Zelda has gotten an 8.0 before its not like it was something new. Final Fantasy and Zelda the two most historicly beloved franchises have each had 2 games in the 8's and its never been a huge deal.

When I think flops I think Killzone, Daikatana, and recently Blue Dragon and Lair. I think of Zelda TP as a dissapointment but definately far from the biggest flop of all time.

QFT. To be flopped, i.e. using "flop" as a verb," is simply to be given a score lower than expected. But by definition, flops (using "flop" as a noun) are bad games that were expected to be good, i.e. Daikatana, Lair, Killzone, Over G Fighters, Red Steel, etc.

lair but at least it wasnt hyped AAA.ginglejangle

Most impactful flop ever on SW is definitely TP.

Runners-up are Tetris DS/Metroid Prime: Hunters and Jade Empire.

Most impactful flop ever on SW is definitely TP.

Runners-up are Tetris DS/Metroid Prime: Hunters and Jade Empire.

i_like_pizza

but this is the largest score discrepancy between what was expected and what actually occured that I've seen. ever.

From that list Twilight Princess.nivet14

Lair i wouldn't even consider close to the biggest flop it was only hyped for its graphics and was even hyped as AAA only by fakeboys and the very few fanboys that every game has hyped it AAA.

If you wanna talk big flops Brute Force,Killzone,Red Steel,and Fable all have Lair beaten as they were all hyped AAA GOTY while Killzone and Brute Force were consider Halo killers,Lair was only hyped for graphics and as AA.While Lair is a flop there has been alot more bigger flops.

I still think Advent Rising has topped all, if only for the forum members associated with it's hype, and ultimate downfall.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Most impactful flop ever on SW is definitely TP.

Runners-up are Tetris DS/Metroid Prime: Hunters and Jade Empire.

Dreams-Visions

but this is the largest score discrepancy between what was expected and what actually occured that I've seen. ever.

I agree on that point. This game was hyped AA at least, and a 4.5 is BAD. I was just talking about "impact" of the flops on the SW community. The TP review chased away a TON of sheep.

Btw, doesn't VanOrd seem to be going pretty heavy on his reviews lately? He's handed out a lot of lower-than-expected scores.

I said TP..

nobody cares aboutLair....

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Most impactful flop ever on SW is definitely TP.

Runners-up are Tetris DS/Metroid Prime: Hunters and Jade Empire.

Dreams-Visions

but this is the largest score discrepancy between what was expected and what actually occured that I've seen. ever.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Most impactful flop ever on SW is definitely TP.

Runners-up are Tetris DS/Metroid Prime: Hunters and Jade Empire.

haris12121212

but this is the largest score discrepancy between what was expected and what actually occured that I've seen. ever.

they thought the videos were great. I never saw the greatness either. naturally, I got branded lemmings and sheep and all kinds of things for not seeing the light.

Zelda Twighlight Princess. Hyped AAA GOTY contender. Hardly anyone considered the possibility of it getting less then 9.0

Lair while still a major flop was only hyped AA by the majority of people and hailed as another bullet (or "a bullet") in the PS3 library.

[QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Most impactful flop ever on SW is definitely TP.

Runners-up are Tetris DS/Metroid Prime: Hunters and Jade Empire.

Dreams-Visions

but this is the largest score discrepancy between what was expected and what actually occured that I've seen. ever.

What about Red Steel? Unless I am mistaken, in terms of score, it had the same difference of 3.5 (Hype: AAA vs. Score: 5.5).

Score wise. LoZ just ROCKED system wars.

This Lair score was really expected, as the hype just died in the last 2 weeks. No one expected LoZ not getting AAA.

Thrice_III

the Lair hype only died because they already started getting terrible reviews from other places.

Zelda Twighlight Princess. Hyped AAA GOTY contender. Hardly anyone considered the possibility of it getting less then 9.0

Lair while still a major flop was only hyped AA by the majority of people and hailed as another bullet (or "a bullet") in the PS3 library.

strudel420

I saw lair hyped AAA. only after bad previews did i see hype die down. Lair was on EVERY ps3 must have list and how it's not.

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="i_like_pizza"]

Most impactful flop ever on SW is definitely TP.

Runners-up are Tetris DS/Metroid Prime: Hunters and Jade Empire.

Link256

but this is the largest score discrepancy between what was expected and what actually occured that I've seen. ever.

What about Red Steel? Unless I am mistaken, in terms of score, it had the same difference of 3.5 (Hype: AAA vs. Score: 5.5).

Just ignore him, in his SW it was hyped AAA because the graphics were compared with Gears of War(nice logic there).

The haters are forcing lair to be somekind of megaton flop because they want it to be funny, a meme and a weapon against cows. Lair's flop isnt even funny or shocking because we already experienced its floppage from the reviews it got from other sites.

[QUOTE="strudel420"]

Zelda Twighlight Princess. Hyped AAA GOTY contender. Hardly anyone considered the possibility of it getting less then 9.0

Lair while still a major flop was only hyped AA by the majority of people and hailed as another bullet (or "a bullet") in the PS3 library.

Ontain

I saw lair hyped AAA. only after bad previews did i see hype die down. Lair was on EVERY ps3 must have list and how it's not.

Lair was only hyped for its graphics through thats a big difference,once you take away all the fakeboys and people with less then 10 post there wasn't much hyped outside the graphics.Like every game through there would be afew hardcore fanboys claiming AAA but not nearly on the scale as Killzone,Brute Force,Zelda,Red Steel,and Fable.

It's Lair by a long shot.

Say what you will about Zelda, Metroid, etc. but they scored ALL favorable reviews and most rated it AAA. And nobody with any sense would call them "not worth your time."

This is not the case with Lair, one of Sony's exclusives that was going to be a defining PS3 game.

Probably TP but why isn't doom 3 on that list?Teftly

[QUOTE="Teftly"]Probably TP but why isn't doom 3 on that list?Panzer_Zwei

How the heck could I have forgotten about Doom 3 :|

[QUOTE="Teftly"]Probably TP but why isn't doom 3 on that list?Panzer_Zwei

Holy crap, how could I have forgotten about Doom 3. That was a huge flop for its time.

Zelda. People are going to vote Lair because it just happened and the score is really low but Zelda had the most impact of all time.

Nike_Air

Prob with that is lair didn't and won't win GOTY at dozens of other sites and mags like LOZ:TP did.

Lair is something the PS3 needed, it may end up being a statement remember years ago of the PS3 last stand if it doesn't make enough progress this holiday season to catch up to the 360/Wii.

Cows need this along with Heavenly Sword.

I know people make light of how GS has been flopping Wii games with 8's and low 9's but you gotta undertand theres a huge 1.0 point curve upwards for these wii games in relation to what the other critics say.

Twilight Princess was GOTY everywhere last year except here.

MP3 hasn't gotten lower than 9.0 (on scales of 1-10) anywhere but here.

Lair and these other PS3 flops aren't doing the same. Lair is the red steel or better yet the far cry of the PS3's lineup.

I mean 10GBs of sound in Heavenly Sword? I DON'T CARE make 10 GBs of gameplay!

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Teftly"]Probably TP but why isn't doom 3 on that list?MetroidPrimePwn

Holy crap, how could I have forgotten about Doom 3. That was a huge flop for its time.

How was TP a huge flop, I mean... it didn't exactly meet everyone's expectations but I think an 8.8 is a hell of a score for any game. Anyways, Lair for me. Hyped to be an AAA title, and gets a 4.5... that's terrible.

[QUOTE="MetroidPrimePwn"]

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Teftly"]Probably TP but why isn't doom 3 on that list?7arek

Holy crap, how could I have forgotten about Doom 3. That was a huge flop for its time.

How was TP a huge flop, I mean... it didn't exactly meet everyone's expectations but I think an 8.8 is a hell of a score for any game. Anyways, Lair for me. Hyped to be an AAA title, and gets a 4.5... that's terrible.

The thing is that if TP had gotten only .2 more points in its score, it wouldn't considered a flop at all. I just find that odd, especially considering Gamespot only goes by .5 now, which means that if they rated TP today it would likely be a 9.

Gamespot completely revamping their reviewing system should've changed some rules around here. How come it didn't? Now that they go by .5 the whole AAA/AA/A thing is completely different from before. How do you compare a game that gets 9 (AAA) with the new reviewing system to one that got an 8.8 (AA) with the old one? How do you know that 9 wouldn't have also been an 8.8 in the old system, and the 8.8 a 9 with the new one? All of a sudden, that AAA is a AA and vice versa.

MP3. it was hyped to be the Wii's savior yet it ended up being nothing but a average game.Pdiddy105

[QUOTE="Nike_Air"]MP3 hasn't gotten lower than 9.0 (on scales of 1-10) anywhere but here darth-pyschosis

why do i feel like somone glitched this poll?stereointegrity

So which is it?Carmilla31

you left out halo 3.

[QUOTE="LegendofNerd"]Lair. Without a doubt.Carmilla31

MGS did get an aaa.

[QUOTE="Thrice_III"]

Score wise. LoZ just ROCKED system wars.

This Lair score was really expected, as the hype just died in the last 2 weeks. No one expected LoZ not getting AAA.

Ontain

the Lair hype only died because they already started getting terrible reviews from other places.

I know the hype only died after the terrible reviews, but that is all I'm saying. When people clicked on the review for Lair they were expecting a score lower than 6.0 because of all the reviews in the past week. The LoZ was huge in how it was completely unexpected.

I've never seen a game crash and burn as bad as Lair has this past week, but I just don't see this review having the same immediate impact as LoZ did. (which made System wars go CRAZY)

In terms of impact: LoZ:TP

In terms of floppage: Killzone

Lair of course. Some of you say Twilight Princess was a flop, but that's just Gamespot's perspective. It'd be nice if we'd all look around and see what else it scored from other reviewer sites (i.e. Gamestats and Gamerankings?). The same goes with Metroid Prime 3. An 8.8 on Gamespot, but a 9.4 on Gamestats isn't it?

Though Lair, it scored pretty harsh all over ...

Super Mario Sunshine is the flop that defined what we know today as a flop. It was definitive.

Twilight princess, because it was hyped AAAA and was said to be better than OOT.MGS9150

[QUOTE="stereointegrity"]why do i feel like somone glitched this poll?coreygames

just seems fishy...

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="stereointegrity"]why do i feel like somone glitched this poll?stereointegrity

just seems fishy...