Biggest flop in system wars history?

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Many, many great games are still flops here at system wars. Say what you will.

But Lair didn't cause any death threats to any editors. That alone justifies the award of biggest flop ever.

Panzer_Zwei

You act as if fanboys actually matter. They don't. The only thing that should be looked at to see if a game is a flop IS THE GAME ITSELF.

Zelda missed its goal by a hair's breadth. Lair missed it by a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon. There is no contest that Lair is the biggest flop.

[QUOTE="JB730"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

8.8. It's a touchy issue among some to this day.

:lol:

TekkenMaster606

4.5. :lol:

its tough to deal with, i know....but instead of living in denial, try and deal with the fact that lair is by far the biggest flop in system wars history

Except I don't give two **** about that game. It flopped. Just like The Getaway, just like Red Steel. The sheepies are just looking for the quickest way to find another game to replace the absolute backlash and outcry that happened after Zelda's score.

http://www.gannon-banned.com

Scroll to the bottom and you'll know what I mean.

most flops are off by 0.1-1 points at most

lair, on the other hand, was off by 3.5 points

name another game missed its hype by THAT much

so yeah......i'm going to go with the vast majority here.....lair is by far the biggest flop in system wars history

let it burn.

Failing to get that AAA score, by any amount, means a whole lot more than missing AA by any margin.

Lair.

Plain.....and......simple.

I can't believe I hyped that game. So glad Warhawk and Heavenly Sword turned out to be awesome. What a disgrace Lair is. Nintendo, take Factor 5's pathetic excuse for developing back would ya?

Failing to get that AAA score, by any amount, means a whole lot more than missing AA by any margin.TekkenMaster606

Then Lair is STILL the biggest flop, because it WAS hyped AAA.

Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess - sheep's reaction to it was hilarious and went on for much longer than most games

GTA: LCS - the DS killer

Killzone - the Halo killer

Red Steel - the revolution in FPS making dual analog obselete

Failing to get that AAA score, by any amount, means a whole lot more than missing AA by any margin.

TekkenMaster606

[QUOTE="delta_leader_4"]Lol I guess most people here arent old enough to remember the Daikatana flop. And you guys think youre hardcore.Hoffgod

Yea well I guess youve got a point there.. I had no idea when SW was started. But out of the 5 in poll in the history of games Daikatana is the biggest flop on there no question.

Its funny how according to the poll Lair is the biggest flop.. most who voted probably have no idea what even went down with Daikatana. Lair and TP never had anywhere close to as much as hype as Daikatana.

I'd probably say Lair because it was hyped AA and got 4.5!

But the hype surrounding the game was absolutely nothing compared to TP so I dunno, it depends.

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="delta_leader_4"]Lol I guess most people here arent old enough to remember the Daikatana flop. And you guys think youre hardcore.delta_leader_4

Yea well I guess youve got a point there.. I had no idea when SW was started. But out of the 5 in poll in the history of games Daikatana is the biggest flop on there no question.

Its funny how according to the poll Lair is the biggest flop.. most who voted probably have no idea what even went down with Daikatana. Lair and TP never had anywhere close to as much as hype as Daikatana.

That's true. The only reason I DIDN'T vote Daikatana was because it was before SW.

[QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Many, many great games are still flops here at system wars. Say what you will.

But Lair didn't cause any death threats to any editors. That alone justifies the award of biggest flop ever.

mjarantilla

You act as if fanboys actually matter. They don't. The only thing that should be looked at to see if a game is a flop IS THE GAME ITSELF.

Zelda missed its goal by a hair's breadth. Lair missed it by a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon. There is no contest that Lair is the biggest flop.

I think you're failing to grasp that this is about SW history, not whatever other sites that rated it higher. It was a flop here at SW, and it was a flop because of fanboys. You think fanboys don't matter in SW?

Also Zelda: TP was beaten by Dead Rising as Action/Adventure game of the year. Sheep also whinned highly about that.

[QUOTE="JiveT"]

OK enough with this. ET was the biggest flop in gaming history. Critically, commercially, etc. etc. Everything else pales in comparison. /thread

coreygames

Yeah well...who cares what the thread is about...because...I'm right. :|

I'd probably say Lair because it was hyped AA and got 4.5!

But the hype surrounding the game was absolutely nothing compared to TP so I dunno, it depends.

the-very-best

Many people found that TP met their expectations. The ONLY place where TP flopped was in score.

But Lair flopped across the board. NO ONE'S expectations were met, not even those of the worst of haters. That, to me, qualifies Lair as the bigger flop of the two games.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Many, many great games are still flops here at system wars. Say what you will.

But Lair didn't cause any death threats to any editors. That alone justifies the award of biggest flop ever.

Panzer_Zwei

You act as if fanboys actually matter. They don't. The only thing that should be looked at to see if a game is a flop IS THE GAME ITSELF.

Zelda missed its goal by a hair's breadth. Lair missed it by a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon. There is no contest that Lair is the biggest flop.

I think you're failing to grasp that this is about SW history, not whatever other sites that rated it higher. It was a flop here at SW, and it was a flop because of fanboys. You think fanboys don't matter in SW?

Also Zelda: TP was beaten by Dead Rising as Action/Adventure game of the year. Sheep also whinned highly about that.

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

OK enough with this. ET was the biggest flop in gaming history. Critically, commercially, etc. etc. Everything else pales in comparison. /thread

JiveT

Yeah well...who cares what the thread is about...because...I'm right. :|

Many people found that TP met their expectations. The ONLY place where TP flopped was in score.

But Lair flopped across the board. NO ONE'S expectations were met, not even those of the worst of haters. That, to me, qualifies Lair as the bigger flop of the two games.

mjarantilla

Maybe you're right.

I dunno though, I know everyone thinks Lair's been hyped like crazy...but by who exactly? There's like 10 cows in SW in total (I know I'm underexaggerating but you get my point) and many people hyped it because of its graphics, but I saw numerous "I'm not interested in the idea" posts since the game was first shown.

How many people actually wanted to buy the game? From what I've seen, not many. That's why I'm not sure what to call the bigger flop. But I probably would still say Lair cause of the massive difference between AA and 4.5/10.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Panzer_Zwei"][QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"]

Many, many great games are still flops here at system wars. Say what you will.

But Lair didn't cause any death threats to any editors. That alone justifies the award of biggest flop ever.

Panzer_Zwei

You act as if fanboys actually matter. They don't. The only thing that should be looked at to see if a game is a flop IS THE GAME ITSELF.

Zelda missed its goal by a hair's breadth. Lair missed it by a chasm the size of the Grand Canyon. There is no contest that Lair is the biggest flop.

I think you're failing to grasp that this is about SW history, not whatever other sites that rated it higher. It was a flop here at SW, and it was a flop because of fanboys. You think fanboys don't matter in SW?

Also Zelda: TP was beaten by Dead Rising as Action/Adventure game of the year. Sheep also whinned highly about that.

There were fanboys who hyped Lair AAA to AAAA, too. Should we use THEM as the yardstick? Those are the same kind of people who hyped Zelda AAAA.

But ultimately, the only place Zelda flopped was in its score, and in that it only missed its score by 0.2 (technically 0.1 because the GCN score was 8.9). It doesn't matter that irrational fanboys decided that 0.2 points was the worst injustice in the world.

Lair flopped ACROSS the board. There were SO MANY EXPECTATIONS for that game:

- AAA, even AAAA by some fanboys

- Killer app

- Gears of War killer

- THE PS3 game of 2007

- GOTY candidate

So on and so forth.

It met NONE of them. It went from being the top of the PS3's library to being at the bottom. It worse than flopped: it belly-flopped onto solid cement.

[QUOTE="delta_leader_4"]

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"][QUOTE="delta_leader_4"]Lol I guess most people here arent old enough to remember the Daikatana flop. And you guys think youre hardcore.mjarantilla

Yea well I guess youve got a point there.. I had no idea when SW was started. But out of the 5 in poll in the history of games Daikatana is the biggest flop on there no question.

Its funny how according to the poll Lair is the biggest flop.. most who voted probably have no idea what even went down with Daikatana. Lair and TP never had anywhere close to as much as hype as Daikatana.

That's true. The only reason I DIDN'T vote Daikatana was because it was before SW.

Daiktana was looking crap for a longtime beore release, games were on quake 3 engine for a year before Daiktana was out on Quake 2.

Wasn't that hyped on Lair but i haven't seen a high profile game like it score a 4.9 , especially when its IGN who love giving out 9's for stupid reasons.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Many people found that TP met their expectations. The ONLY place where TP flopped was in score.

But Lair flopped across the board. NO ONE'S expectations were met, not even those of the worst of haters. That, to me, qualifies Lair as the bigger flop of the two games.

the-very-best

Maybe you're right.

I dunno though, I know everyone thinks Lair's been hyped like crazy...but by who exactly? There's like 10 cows in SW in total (I know I'm underexaggerating but you get my point) and many people hyped it because of its graphics, but I saw numerous "I'm not interested in the idea" posts since the game was first shown.

How many people actually wanted to buy the game? From what I've seen, not many. That's why I'm not sure what to call the bigger flop. But I probably would still say Lair cause of the massive difference between AA and 4.5/10.

Lair has most definitely been hyped like crazy. Out of all of the PS3's new franchises (i.e. not FFXIII or MGS4), it was #2 behind RFOM, maybe #3 behind Heavenly Sword. Between Sony's Gamer's Day and E3, there wasn't a week that went by that didn't have a new Lair video or picture, and each thread always had a ton of excitement.

There were fanboys who hyped Lair AAA to AAAA, too. Should we use THEM as the yardstick? Those are the same kind of people who hyped Zelda AAAA.

But ultimately, the only place Zelda flopped was in its score, and in that it only missed its score by 0.2 (technically 0.1 because the GCN score was 8.9). It doesn't matter that irrational fanboys decided that 0.2 points was the worst injustice in the world.

Lair flopped ACROSS the board. There were SO MANY EXPECTATIONS for that game:

- AAA, even AAAA by some fanboys

- Killer app

- Gears of War killer

- THE PS3 game of 2007

- GOTY candidate

So on and so forth.

It met NONE of them. It went from being the top of the PS3's library to being at the bottom. It worse than flopped: it belly-flopped onto solid cement.

mjarantilla

And from what I can tell, Lair hyped died pretty much, before it released, somewhat similar thing happened with N3 which was very praised until the Japanese review and demo came out.

I get what you're saying, but Zelda: TP was still a flop in "SW" nonethless.

[QUOTE="JiveT"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

OK enough with this. ET was the biggest flop in gaming history. Critically, commercially, etc. etc. Everything else pales in comparison. /thread

coreygames

Yeah well...who cares what the thread is about...because...I'm right. :|

How old is System Wars pray tell?! This shouldn't be an opinion question anyway. Its a simple mathematical question with this equation:

1. Official hype

2. Actual review score

3. Subtract actual score from official score

4. The game with the largest disparity is the biggest flop

Daiktana was looking crap for a longtime beore release, games were on quake 3 engine for a year before Daiktana was out on Quake 2.ChinoJamesKeene

I know. People here seem to have this strange idea that most people thought Daikatana would actually be good. It was shovelware! The controversy and infamy around Daikatana didn't even have as much to do with the poor quality of the game itself as it did with John Romero and the subsequent downfall of Ion Storm.

How old is System Wars pray tell?! This shouldn't be an opinion question anyway. Its a simple mathematical question with this equation:

1. Official hype

2. Actual review score

3. Subtract actual score from official score

4. The game with the largest disparity is the biggest flop

JiveT

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

Tamarind_Face

You have to go Lair.

Yea Zelda 'flopped' on Gamespot. But it got a 95% on Gamerankings which is awesome. However Lair is going to flop everywhere.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

coreygames

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

Tamarind_Face

Yeah the thread title isn't what game review gave Jeff the most death threats. :|

[QUOTE="coreygames"] [QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Tamarind_Face

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

Tamarind_Face

Why are we basing flops on fan reaction instead of the quality of the game in proportion to the hype it received, like it naturally should be? Zelda is one of Nintendo's biggest franchises. Sheep hype Twilight Princess AAA, it falls .2 short. The sheep lose whatever bets they made, and they go from owning to being owned like I mentioned before, only because of .2. And not only that, but Gamespot's score happens to be one of the lowest out of all of them. The sheep are upset at the AA, but upset even more that it was so close to AAA, and even more upset that GS scored it relatively low in comparison to the majority of other reviews.

But why take that out on the game itself, because it was overhyped by .2, and call it the biggest SW flop ever? Especially when you have a perfectly viable mega-flop in Lair, and one that makes significantly more sense. GOTY AAA to 4.5/10. That's all you need. Biggest flop ever. I mean just look at that. Funniest thing about this is the cows tried to call Bioshock a flop even though it got 9/10. I guess they just have a really loose definition for the word.

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

Tamarind_Face

The Twilight Princess review was a lot more controversial, because everyone but Gamespot was praising the game, and there were a lot of AAAAs being given. On the other hand, Lair was truly a flop, because everyone was hyping it, and it turned out to be a horrible game. Twilight Princess was hyped to be an amazing game, and it delivered. All the waves for TP were simply caused by the fact that one site gave it a controversail review, with a none-the-less excellent score. Lair is simply a bad game.

As for Red Steel, I've heard nothing but good things about the game. People acknowledge that it definately has problems, but they say that it is very fun. And again, it had a similair situation to Twilight Princess, though it was still acknowledged widely to be a fairly poor game.

rincess review was a lot more controversial, because everyone but Gamespot was praising the game, and there were a lot of AAAAs being given. On the other hand, Lair was truly a flop, because everyone was hyping it, and it turned out to be a horrible game. Twilight Princess was hyped to be an amazing game, and it delivered. All the waves for TP were simply caused by the fact that one site gave it a controversail review, with a none-the-less excellent score. Lair is simply a bad game.

Tylendal

exactly

a lot of fans were pleased with zelda TP, and beleive it to be the best zelda ever

lair, on the other hand, is downright unplayable

it seems like the majority here realise that lair missed its mark by the largest margin, and therefore is the biggest flop in SW history.....and i agree with them

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

coreygames

So what you are saying is, the game doesn't matter.

oh please your logic of score discrepancy isnt being used in this thread, if it was then Red steel shouldve been included or other games. Its clear that the basis of this thread when judging the the biggest flop is in its impact. And when it comes to impact, TP is a landslide win.

Tamarind_Face

no, its really not clear that the basis of this thread is about judging flops on impact......if it was, then MGS 3 should have been listed there instead of Blue Dragon.

see? i can use that sort of logic right back at you.

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Tamarind_Face

So what you are saying is, the game doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

Tylendal

The Twilight Princess review was a lot more controversial, because everyone but Gamespot was praising the game, and there were a lot of AAAAs being given. On the other hand, Lair was truly a flop, because everyone was hyping it, and it turned out to be a horrible game. Twilight Princess was hyped to be an amazing game, and it delivered. All the waves for TP were simply caused by the fact that one site gave it a controversail review, with a none-the-less excellent score. Lair is simply a bad game.

As for Red Steel, I've heard nothing but good things about the game. People acknowledge that it definately has problems, but they say that it is very fun. And again, it had a similair situation to Twilight Princess, though it was still acknowledged widely to be a fairly poor game.

How can you call twilight princess review controversial when gamespot is well known of scoring a game below the average gamecritic score. You should know that.

How can you call twilight princess review controversial when gamespot is well known of scoring a game below the average gamecritic score. You should know that.

Tamarind_Face

[QUOTE="Tylendal"][QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"]

Why are you guys still arguing?

tell me when did we see a huge number of account suicides, fanboys leaving system wars, sheep sending death threats to Jeff(trully insane), personal attacks against jeff, a thread that was stickied for days and had thousands of replies, a month of whining, other forums going crazy over another sites score, many ytmnd/photoshops/gifs of the controversy, hyped as GOTY/AAAA?next OoT and tons of other crazy stuff.

Only TP's flop did this... Only The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess did this. And Half of you are saying Lair is the bigger flop? Are you guys *bleep* joking?

What happened today when Lair flopped? a thread with 600 replies that has people accepting ownage. And you call it the biggest flop in SW history. Even though in terms of meeting expectations, it had the same results with Red Steel. Seriously do you guys need more straws or something?

Tamarind_Face

The Twilight Princess review was a lot more controversial, because everyone but Gamespot was praising the game, and there were a lot of AAAAs being given. On the other hand, Lair was truly a flop, because everyone was hyping it, and it turned out to be a horrible game. Twilight Princess was hyped to be an amazing game, and it delivered. All the waves for TP were simply caused by the fact that one site gave it a controversail review, with a none-the-less excellent score. Lair is simply a bad game.

As for Red Steel, I've heard nothing but good things about the game. People acknowledge that it definately has problems, but they say that it is very fun. And again, it had a similair situation to Twilight Princess, though it was still acknowledged widely to be a fairly poor game.

How can you call twilight princess review controversial when gamespot is well known of scoring a game below the average gamecritic score. You should know that.

red steel hyped AAA?

i don't believe it.

care to back that up with a link to red steel's official hype thread? i recall it being hyped AA at MOST.

[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="JiveT"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="JiveT"]

OK enough with this. ET was the biggest flop in gaming history. Critically, commercially, etc. etc. Everything else pales in comparison. /thread

JiveT

Yeah well...who cares what the thread is about...because...I'm right. :|

How old is System Wars pray tell?! This shouldn't be an opinion question anyway. Its a simple mathematical question with this equation:

1. Official hype

2. Actual review score

3. Subtract actual score from official score

4. The game with the largest disparity is the biggest flop