Biggest flop in system wars history?

Out of that list. Flop as in game getting an awful score, Lair.

But the biggest flop as in there being a big fuss about it and being shocking it's Zelda TP. That game had an almost AAA guaranteed status and many hyped it AAAA, I don't think even haters thought it would flop.

tegovoltio

True, True, True... It was trully the best moment I ever experienced here at GS. That day I knew how big of a fanatic Nintendo fanboys were. If I was Jeff I wouldve been so scared, there are some really crazy people out there. Especially fanatics...

Lets just pray Super Mario Galaxy doesnt flops or else...

You can call it what you want but I'll always know that the crapfest that is Lair is being blown up because a certain fanbase is bitter of an 0-for-3 AAA performance from 3 of it's biggest first party titles. TekkenMaster606

Yeah, well...that wasnt the argument.

[QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

Out of that list. Flop as in game getting an awful score, Lair.

But the biggest flop as in there being a big fuss about it and being shocking it's Zelda TP. That game had an almost AAA guaranteed status and many hyped it AAAA, I don't think even haters thought it would flop.

Tamarind_Face

True, True, True... It was trully the best moment I ever experienced here at GS. That day I knew how big of a fanatic Nintendo fanboys were. If I was Jeff I wouldve been so scared, there are some really crazy people out there. Especially fanatics...

Lets just pray Super Mario Galaxy doesnt flops or else...

Dont forget about SSBB...If that flops then who knows what will happen.

[QUOTE="Tamarind_Face"][QUOTE="tegovoltio"]

Out of that list. Flop as in game getting an awful score, Lair.

But the biggest flop as in there being a big fuss about it and being shocking it's Zelda TP. That game had an almost AAA guaranteed status and many hyped it AAAA, I don't think even haters thought it would flop.

Japanese_Monk

True, True, True... It was trully the best moment I ever experienced here at GS. That day I knew how big of a fanatic Nintendo fanboys were. If I was Jeff I wouldve been so scared, there are some really crazy people out there. Especially fanatics...

Lets just pray Super Mario Galaxy doesnt flops or else...

Dont forget about SSBB...If that flops then who knows what will happen.

Well actually SSB franchise was never AAA here on GS. I still don't get it how SSBM didn't get AAA score.

[QUOTE="Slashkice"][QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"]

Peoples reaction to the actual score does not determine how big a flop is. Its the score itself not fanboys reactions to it.

Japanese_Monk

A game's score determines if it's a flop. The impact of said score determines how big the flop is.

Were the score the sole factor in determining this, this topic would not be up for debate, and thus, would not have reached 17 pages or ~724 votes in the poll.

The pages of this topic is hardly proof for or against you. Many topics reach ridiculous amounts of pages.

People have not come to a uniform decision as to what makes a flop "the biggest flop". And people never will. The number of pages can be argued for both sides. Watch what Im about to do, its going to blow your mind.

"Were the impact of said score the sole factor in determining this, this topic would not be up for debate, and thus, would not have reached 17 pages or ~724 votes in the poll."

See what I did thar? It seems your trying to "act" smart. What you said did not make any sense at all.

Its one thing to ask whats the biggest flop (how low a hyped game scores in reference to the hyped score), and its another thing to say what was the biggest disappointment or upset in terms of a review.

For instructional purposes suppose a hyped game to score a 9.6, ends up scoring a 9.3. Yet fanboys are dissatisfied and react ridiculously to the review. In essence its not a flop or even the biggest flop, the score is still AAA but the fans were not happy.

TP was the biggest disappointment/upset but was/is by far NOT the biggest SW flop. Lair takes that cake firmly at a 4.5 when it was hyped AAA. Zelda on the other hand still got AA. Lair couldn't even get to a measly mediocre 5.

Impact is Debatable and not a fact like simple scores. Try Again.

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LAIR

:lol: @ factor 5.

"there has never been a really good dragon game before so we think we can be the first to do it."

Panzer_Zwei

A Sega game. I seriously wasn't ready for that.

Impact is Debatable and not a fact like simple scores. Try Again.

da1on2

Self Ownage.:|

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LAIR

:lol: @ factor 5.

"there has never been a really good dragon game before so we think we can be the first to do it."

taikthebate

A Sega game. I seriously wasn't ready for that.

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[QUOTE="mmogoon"]LairCaseyWegner

How the hell is Lair the biggest flop? It was only hyped AA. Not that big of a deal. At least not compared to Twilight Princess.

Also Fable was hyped to be AAA and one of the best RPG's of all time (not sure if many Lems said that though). Jade Empire was hyped AAA andI remembermajority of Lems claiming it would bebetter than Kotor.

I say Twilight princess. It was hyped AAAA and got AA.

it's simple math. take the lowest score needed for the game not to flop and subtract from that the score it got. lair is the biggest flop of the generation and the 2nd biggest flop of all time right behind pn03.

Oh. I it's done like that, wasnt Advent Rising hyped AAA?

LOL at cows trying to damage control Lair. The sad thing is they will never get it off their backs, necks or shoulders. It will haunt them for as long as the PS3 lives. No game will fail so epically as Lair. Now stop trying to pawn the title off on games that missed their hype by less than .5 points. JiveT

Super Paper Mario. Zelda. Metroid.

I see what you guys are trying to pull. Let's make sure the spotlight stays on Lair so no one will talk about that 0 for 3 AAA performance. Honestly, I'm not even defending Lair. It's probably a steaming pile. But the fallout from Zelda and the fact that 2 other titles missed AAA hype will live on the Gamespot forums for a long, long time.

Last time I checked Lair was hyped AA in a stickied thread made by Casey. That was weeks ago, not sure about now.

I thought the biggest impact and hilarity of something flopping considered the biggest flop. But it's the difference between the scores.

Speaking of Dragon games, there was one of the PS2, what was it called again? Just popped in my head, just curiousity.ArisShadows

Lol, contradictions.

Saying people haven't come to a uniform decision of determining what flop is the biggest and then presenting your way as absolute doesn't quite work.

Hey, maybe I'm giving SW too much credit, but I would hope we all know basic math here, and would be able to do some quick subtraction. But oh lawd, huge thread is huge; guess that means we're all morons.

See what I did thar? It seems your trying to "act" smart. What you said did not make any sense at all.

I don't normally bring up grammar here, since this is the Internet (most of us are fast typers and are bound to make some typos/grammar mistakes somewhere), but really now, don't attack someone's intelligence and misuse "your" in the same sentence.

Anyways, my dinner's ready so I'll try to wrap this up quickly.

For instructional purposes, Lair had an official hype of AA. It's a new IP from Factor 5, a developer mostly known for the Rogue Squadron game. Twilight Princess is a main title in Nintendo's Legend of Zelda series, which has some twenty years under it's belt. In technical terms, Lair flopped by a larger margin (3.5 as opposed to 0.2). This game, however, was nowhere near as anticipated as TP. The measly difference of 0.2 had a much bigger effect on SW than Lair's difference of 3.5. Hence, it would be the bigger flop.

Slashkice

Haha. Self Ownage. Read my post again. YOU were saying if my argument were true, this topic would not have amassed all these pages. All I did was flip the script to show you your argument could be argued for BOTH sides. edit: btw, I was explaining how mixed up people are on the definition of a flop. As far as I know a flop is determined by the hype it gets and the actual score it gets and has nothing to do with the reactions thereof. Like I said, the biggest upset and flop are two different things which is why people havent come to a uniform decision. duh...

Self Ownage times 2......GRAMMAR has nothing to do with spelling. Go back to school.

Daikatana, people are only voting Lair, because it was recentStephenHu

If I remember correctly, near the end of the development cycle, the only person actually hyping Daikatana was John Romero. We all saw the writing on the wall a LONG time before the actual review hit.

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LAIR

:lol: @ factor 5.

"there has never been a really good dragon game before so we think we can be the first to do it."

Panzer_Zwei

A Sega game. I seriously wasn't ready for that.

But does that matter to you.

You can call it what you want but I'll always know that the crapfest that is Lair is being blown up because a certain fanbase is bitter of an 0-for-3 AAA performance from 3 of it's biggest first party titles. TekkenMaster606

And I'll call it the biggest flop since Killzone. It missed hype by 3.5

Killzone didn't even get AAA let alone reach Halo CE or Halo 2 scores. Hell that game got outscored by the Mary Kate and Ashley dev's game Giest. Those flops were unplayable Zelda is still a great game. The biggest flop of all time cannot be considered anything positive in a game.

From that list......Liar

Biggest flop in SW history......IMO is Doom 3

why is zelda there? i thought it was one of the years best selling titles?Grandhand

It was also one of the years biggest flops.

lol, the fact that lair has gotten the most votes for biggest flop is utterly rediculous and this is not coming from a sony fan boy. A FLOP here on gamespot should be defined as hype + popularity which should then be compared with what the game actually scores here on gamespot. Take this for example. The next ratchet and clank game scores 6.0 and Halo3 scores 8.0, now you tell me, what game is the bigger flop?

Killzone or Lair.
RobbieH1234

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[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]Killzone or Lair.
stika

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Lol, Blinx was one of my favorite flops...but most of weren't around for this.Tokks

Ahh i remember :twisted: i say lair ... way below the expected next coming of jesus himself as it was predicted.

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[QUOTE="RobbieH1234"]Killzone or Lair.
RobbieH1234

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:lol: that guys an idiot

Twilight princess, hyped AAAA.

2nd place metroid prime 3... Hyped Halo killer by sheep and will score higher than Bioshock.

3rd I think its killzone, maybe because of the media hype.

Tamarind_Face

more exaggerations from tamarind_face :roll:

if you remember well enoughDaikatanawas the biggest flop in system wars history, that game had a big amount of hype...but was glitchy and buggy and all around no funmlbslugger86