Bioshock 2 >>>>>> Bioshock Infinite (spoilers)

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]ummmmmm....nofreedomfreak

Minerva's Den has a story and a twist that rivals even the first game and its looked on highly as a great DLC. When they were not going to have a PC version, people petitioned HARD to put it on the PC.

Oh and where are all you infinite lover's rebuttals to my first post?

Why is Infinite better than Bioshock 2?

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Texas, no one has ever given a sh!t what you have thought around here

texasgoldrush

Because you always come up with some dumb reason as to why they're wrong. You do the same for Mass Effect

It does visuals better than Bio2, now tell me why I'm wrong

[QUOTE="R3FURBISHED"]Bioshock 2 was a cash in and a travesty, nothing moretexasgoldrush

Link I found on the bottom of the page: GS News - Bioshock Infinite Ending Unprecedented

I expected a lot from the ending but instead I had figured it out since the whole multiverse/time travel stuff is old hat if you are remotely familiar with bad Dr. Who/Sci fi Channel plot devices.

I know it's your Opinion TC, but it's wrong. To quote YC on Bioshock Infinite vs Bioshock 2 "Get Out" http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/7105-BioShock-Infinite

Really, it is.

The story is far better written with far more focus (the focus on the pairbond between Delta and Eleanor), Sofia Lamb is a far more deep villian than Comstock is, Eleanor is actually a more kick ass female character than Elizabeth was told she would be, the characters in Bioshock 2 are deeper than there infinite counterparts (really Grace is a far more deep character than underdeveloped Daisy is), while unlike Infinite, Bioshock 2 characters are not as black and white (antagonists can be tragic while allies can be shady, even have wronged you majorly in the past), the gameplay is actually more varied than Infinite with more options for combat, and Infinite is a giant step back in choice and consquence while Bioshock 2 was a huge improvement over the first in that department.

Then Minerva's Den.....more clever than Infinite without even trying to be, while Infinite shows signs of trying to hard to be clever. Booker DeWitt is nothing compared to Charles Milton Porter, who is actually a deeper silent protagonist than Booker is vocal. And Minerva's Den handles racism in one audio log much better than Infinite does in the entire game.

Bioshock 2's story problems are its slow beginning and its need of the first game. But Godfather Part II also needs the original Godfather, but even then its still great. Infinite has focus problems, weak character development (outside Liz), lack of depth in key areas, plot holes, deus ex machina, and when it came down to exploring what would make infinite unique, the direction cowardly runs away from it, instead putting focus in a deus ex machina riddled, convoluted, time and space travel story, with a cop out arbitary ending. The team that made Bioshock 2 knows how to end a game, because Levine sure doesn't. Bioshock 2 keeps focus...its all about the pairbond.

Sorry, but the game thought as a cash in with the Bioshock name is a far more focused and better game that the game hyped months before release in how important and revolutionary it is. Bioshock 2 was humble, Infinite is pretentious.

And Infinite's DLC will have to impress, because Minerva's Den IS the "bar" when it comes to great DLC.

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

You really can't stand it that people like Infinite more.freedomfreak

[QUOTE="freedomfreak"]You really can't stand it that people like Infinite more.texasgoldrush

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

Speedzilla

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

Speedzilla

Lol, no just no I even got the platinum in Bioshock 2 but no way in hell it beats Infinite. Infinite IS the best Bioshock game ever created IMO and it released in 2013, just amazing!!

Bioshock 2 was good and much better than most people say it was but Infinite is superior to even Bioshock 1.silversix_

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="freedomfreak"]You really can't stand it that people like Infinite more.freedomfreak

ummmmmm....notexasgoldrush

I agree that Bioshock 2 doesn't get the respect it deserves (heres a good article on it)

But you can't just simplfy it down to better story = better game. Theres a lot more to take into consideration.

I agree that Bioshock 2 doesn't get the respect it deserves (heres a good article on it)

But you can't just simplfy it down to better story = better game. Theres a lot more to take into consideration.

RR360DD

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

Speedzilla

Texas, no one has ever given a sh!t what you have thought around here

[QUOTE="Speedzilla"]

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

lundy86_4

Texas, no one has ever given a sh!t what you have thought around here

seanmcloughlin

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

Speedzilla

[QUOTE="Speedzilla"]

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

lundy86_4

Texas, no one has ever given a sh!t what you have thought around here

seanmcloughlin

Minerva's Den > Bioshock = Bioshock 2 >>>>>>>>> Infinitetexasgoldrush

No.

Bioshock Infinite>Bioshock>Bioshock 2

Speedzilla

Minerva's Den has a story and a twist that rivals even the first game and its looked on highly as a great DLC. When they were not going to have a PC version, people petitioned HARD to put it on the PC.

Oh and where are all you infinite lover's rebuttals to my first post?

Why is Infinite better than Bioshock 2?

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="silversix_"]Bioshock 2 was good and much better than most people say it was but Infinite is superior to even Bioshock 1.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Texas, no one has ever given a sh!t what you have thought around here

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"]Minerva's Den has a story and a twist that rivals even the first game and its looked on highly as a great DLC. When they were not going to have a PC version, people petitioned HARD to put it on the PC.

Oh and where are all you infinite lover's rebuttals to my first post?

Why is Infinite better than Bioshock 2?

freedomfreak

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Texas, no one has ever given a sh!t what you have thought around here

seanmcloughlin

Because you always come up with some dumb reason as to why they're wrong. You do the same for Mass Effect

It does visuals better than Bio2, now tell me why I'm wrong

Please....Eleanor Lamb is a far stronger woman than Liz ever is.texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Because they can't refute me. They can't even name one major thing Infinite does better than Bioshock 2.texasgoldrush

Because you always come up with some dumb reason as to why they're wrong. You do the same for Mass Effect

It does visuals better than Bio2, now tell me why I'm wrong

And thanks for proving my point. Lame cop out

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

Texas, no one has ever given a sh!t what you have thought around here

Sushiglutton

I've not played Bioshock 2 (and likely can't since my Steam version is incompatible with W8) so I'm not the best commenter on that game but I disagree with your assessments on Infinite's weaknesses.  It's the best game I've played since HL2.

And the bar for great DLC is Dark Souls' Artorias of the Abyss.

[QUOTE="Sushiglutton"][QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Because they can't refute me. They can't even name one major thing Infinite does better than Bioshock 2.texasgoldrush

I'm gonna say what you used to say all the time about ME haters, "You just don't get it Texas"

Well it's a good think your opinion is shit and nobody likes you.

And the bar for great DLC is Dark Souls' Artorias of the Abyss.

Basinboy

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="Sushiglutton"] How about five: Story, gameplay, graphics, sound design, musicseanmcloughlin

I'm gonna say what you used to say all the time about ME haters, "You just don't get it Texas"

Bioshock 2 was a cash in and a travesty, nothing moreR3FURBISHED

I've not played Bioshock 2 (and likely can't since my Steam version is incompatible with W8) so I'm not the best commenter on that game but I disagree with your assessments on Infinite's weaknesses.  It's the best game I've played since HL2.

And the bar for great DLC is Dark Souls' Artorias of the Abyss.

Basinboy

I've not played Bioshock 2 (and likely can't since my Steam version is incompatible with W8) so I'm not the best commenter on that game but I disagree with your assessments on Infinite's weaknesses.  It's the best game I've played since HL2.

And the bar for great DLC is Dark Souls' Artorias of the Abyss.

Basinboy

From all the hype and reviews I expected Infinite to be the second coming of Christ. Adam Sessler's review is a prime example of this.  I enjoyed the game but found the large area battles felt much to like a typical FPS but it was okay since I was only really interested in the story. The first two Bioshocks had choice and consequence in regards to how you treated the little sisters and the weapon upgrades/ammo made the combat much more interesting. Infinite is good, but I have no desire to play it again, and I'll be lucky if I hold onto it for future dlcs rather than trading it in while I can still get a good price for it.  All the pretentious mumbo jumbo platitudes for Infinite is a bit too much and the whole infinite amount of universes is a bit of mess and its best if you try not to rationalise every point in the plot.

I think everybody should just rub texas' ego, and get it over with. The pretentiousness is killing me. 

I didn't really like Bioshock 2 because I was supposed to be this awesome OP big daddy yet I felt weaker than the ordinary dude from the first game.