BIOWARE is going to>>>>>>WOW so bad. Say bye bye WOW Am Cry

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

I wont rage, but I do picture you as a kid who started with WoW or Runescape. May not be true though.SparkyProtocol

If WoW was my first I wouldnt have this mind set, infact I'd have your very mindset... where the world is run by the NPCS and the developers hand. which I dont, dont get me wrong, its a step foward, but its just an aesthetic step foward, alone its nothing.

That dev diary meant absolutely nothing, typical masculin lines, generic star wars characters which will not doubt be the majority, talking talking talking... I can choose to a kill an NPC, fantastic, that means most of the gameworld is no doubt going to be instanced right? *or* you can only participate with people far and few between. My point still stands aswell, where is the *actual* combat shown in any detail? or the "living worlds" feature set, because scripted dialogue, instanced stories or hell any story that ends, isnt a living world. What do you think lures people to MMORPGs hmm? "story?" .. no ... its still a completely different genre and labeled so, character building, stats padding, competitive gaming vs other players is the lure, not being able to kill some NPC and say "oh I killed him... but yea end game all its done is raise my dark side metre lolololol".

Bioware already has end game planned out and have been asking the community for suggestions. They gave an example about one of the ideas they had and asked the community about what mechanics they liked. Beyond that another things people are skipping is that fact that each class has it's own unique quest line. If it were that way in WOW I'd have an alt of every class, but doing the same quest over and over is stupid and boring, which is why blizzard has gone all out to make levelling easier and faster without actually just handing over a high level character. Also the lack of focus on arena type combat (I hope) will make pvp more dynamic and fun and we won't have to worry about miniscule detail number 1000 that is making X comp overpowered... and the game can also be balanced more easily. Bioware already has the tier 1 pvp ending game rewards made, so I don't think we have to worry about whether there will be end game or not.

11 million subscribers say shut up.

i expect this game to be very good, but it won't get anywhere near WoW, no MMO will, until Blizzard bring out their own sequel.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

If WoW was my first I wouldnt have this mind set, infact I'd have your very mindset... where the world is run by the NPCS and the developers hand. which I dont, dont get me wrong, its a step foward, but its just an aesthetic step foward, alone its nothing.

That dev diary meant absolutely nothing, typical masculin lines, generic star wars characters which will not doubt be the majority, talking talking talking... I can choose to a kill an NPC, fantastic, that means most of the gameworld is no doubt going to be instanced right? *or* you can only participate with people far and few between. My point still stands aswell, where is the *actual* combat shown in any detail? or the "living worlds" feature set, because scripted dialogue, instanced stories or hell any story that ends, isnt a living world. What do you think lures people to MMORPGs hmm? "story?" .. no ... its still a completely different genre and labeled so, character building, stats padding, competitive gaming vs other players is the lure, not being able to kill some NPC and say "oh I killed him... but yea end game all its done is raise my dark side metre lolololol".

SparkyProtocol

Bioware already has end game planned out and have been asking the community for suggestions. They gave an example about one of the ideas they had and asked the community about what mechanics they liked. Beyond that another things people are skipping is that fact that each class has it's own unique quest line. If it were that way in WOW I'd have an alt of every class, but doing the same quest over and over is stupid and boring, which is why blizzard has gone all out to make levelling easier and faster without actually just handing over a high level character. Also the lack of focus on arena type combat (I hope) will make pvp more dynamic and fun and we won't have to worry about miniscule detail number 1000 that is making X comp overpowered... and the game can also be balanced more easily. Bioware already has the tier 1 pvp ending game rewards made, so I don't think we have to worry about whether there will be end game or not.

I'd like to see them pull this off to be honest, I wonder how they would balance healing,dps and the mechanics of the classes.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Bioware already has end game planned out and have been asking the community for suggestions. They gave an example about one of the ideas they had and asked the community about what mechanics they liked. Beyond that another things people are skipping is that fact that each class has it's own unique quest line. If it were that way in WOW I'd have an alt of every class, but doing the same quest over and over is stupid and boring, which is why blizzard has gone all out to make levelling easier and faster without actually just handing over a high level character. Also the lack of focus on arena type combat (I hope) will make pvp more dynamic and fun and we won't have to worry about miniscule detail number 1000 that is making X comp overpowered... and the game can also be balanced more easily. Bioware already has the tier 1 pvp ending game rewards made, so I don't think we have to worry about whether there will be end game or not.

I'd like to see them pull this off to be honest, I wonder how they would balance healing,dps and the mechanics of the classes.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

If WoW was my first I wouldnt have this mind set, infact I'd have your very mindset... where the world is run by the NPCS and the developers hand. which I dont, dont get me wrong, its a step foward, but its just an aesthetic step foward, alone its nothing.

That dev diary meant absolutely nothing, typical masculin lines, generic star wars characters which will not doubt be the majority, talking talking talking... I can choose to a kill an NPC, fantastic, that means most of the gameworld is no doubt going to be instanced right? *or* you can only participate with people far and few between. My point still stands aswell, where is the *actual* combat shown in any detail? or the "living worlds" feature set, because scripted dialogue, instanced stories or hell any story that ends, isnt a living world. What do you think lures people to MMORPGs hmm? "story?" .. no ... its still a completely different genre and labeled so, character building, stats padding, competitive gaming vs other players is the lure, not being able to kill some NPC and say "oh I killed him... but yea end game all its done is raise my dark side metre lolololol".

Bioware already has end game planned out and have been asking the community for suggestions. They gave an example about one of the ideas they had and asked the community about what mechanics they liked. Beyond that another things people are skipping is that fact that each class has it's own unique quest line. If it were that way in WOW I'd have an alt of every class, but doing the same quest over and over is stupid and boring, which is why blizzard has gone all out to make levelling easier and faster without actually just handing over a high level character. Also the lack of focus on arena type combat (I hope) will make pvp more dynamic and fun and we won't have to worry about miniscule detail number 1000 that is making X comp overpowered... and the game can also be balanced more easily. Bioware already has the tier 1 pvp ending game rewards made, so I don't think we have to worry about whether there will be end game or not.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] It also appears that they are dropping the infamous Triad so their wont be healers and everyclass is useful. They can probably heal themselves though.SparkyProtocol

I'd like to see them pull this off to be honest, I wonder how they would balance healing,dps and the mechanics of the classes.

They aren't using mirroring from what I know.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

Bioware already has end game planned out and have been asking the community for suggestions. They gave an example about one of the ideas they had and asked the community about what mechanics they liked. Beyond that another things people are skipping is that fact that each class has it's own unique quest line. If it were that way in WOW I'd have an alt of every class, but doing the same quest over and over is stupid and boring, which is why blizzard has gone all out to make levelling easier and faster without actually just handing over a high level character. Also the lack of focus on arena type combat (I hope) will make pvp more dynamic and fun and we won't have to worry about miniscule detail number 1000 that is making X comp overpowered... and the game can also be balanced more easily. Bioware already has the tier 1 pvp ending game rewards made, so I don't think we have to worry about whether there will be end game or not.

Birdy09

I talked about this to them on their forum, but I believe what they are going to do is break it down into talent trees like blizzard, but give every class multiple roles.

For instance you have jedi guardian, consular and w/e else...

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="Espada12"]

I'd like to see them pull this off to be honest, I wonder how they would balance healing,dps and the mechanics of the classes.

Espada12

They aren't using mirroring from what I know.

By it I mean Final Fantasy 14 :P

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] Mirroring ofcourse. Jedi=Sith, Trooper=Bounty Hunter, Smuggler=?, and so on.Birdy09

They aren't using mirroring from what I know.

By it I mean Final Fantasy 14 :P

Appeal is merely personal opinion. I was honestly going with a bounty hunter or an unannounced republic class because I don't like melee classes like jedi/sith plus there's going to be soo many I can see the problems occuring already. Smugglers are supposed to be like living out the han solo fantasy or so they put it. Also pvp should be interesting with 4 unique classes per faction, when you look at it, in WoW faction choice is a matter of aesthetics, while in TOR it is actually going to make a difference against what you fight, I find that to be very appealing as well.

Ah, the search for the WoW killer continues.

i doubt it will kill wow. i predict it will get at least half of the wow's userbase.sethman410

I don't think it will even get that. 2-3 mil tops.

WoW's low system requirements guarantee Bioware's new MMO won't even scratch WoW's user base. Just looking at the screen shots I can see a large chunk of MMO players will be alienated.cametall

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="Birdy09"] Yes, because legololz is any different from "Darth John" and other crap like it... same old repeats, there are as many mature players in WoW as any other MMO...Birdy09

um no compared to my EQ days wow was like kindergarten, and EQ was College. I never have experiecned such terrible players, and immature people in an mmo before wow. Im sure there will be people who are 11 year olds, but just less then wow.

Yeah, there are as many or more good players on WoW as any other MMO ever made I imagine, but there are sooooo many more children and jerks to sort through compared to other MMOs they become harder to find. Especially when you consider how many more servers the decent folk are scatter through, and the fact you can't even talk to half of the playerbase on your server.

[QUOTE="sethman410"]i doubt it will kill wow. i predict it will get at least half of the wow's userbase.Espada12

I don't think it will even get that. 2-3 mil tops.

Last I heard, 3 million is half of WoW's players, unless China has decided to allow WoW to reopen there in the last few days...

I'd be willing to bet that almost half of all WoW players don't even know that other MMO's exist.Im_single

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="Birdy09"] Rage away, you know I'm right. I guess my idea of a Massivly Multiplayer Online RPG is differnt to you peoples, because I would rather a player run world with greater interaction than pathetic B Grade movie style plots with optional dialogue :lol: ... oh well.Birdy09

If WoW was my first I wouldnt have this mind set, infact I'd have your very mindset... where the world is run by the NPCS and the developers hand. which I dont, dont get me wrong, its a step foward, but its just an aesthetic step foward, alone its nothing.

That dev diary meant absolutely nothing, typical masculin lines, generic star wars characters which will not doubt be the majority, talking talking talking... I can choose to a kill an NPC, fantastic, that means most of the gameworld is no doubt going to be instanced right? *or* you can only participate with people far and few between. My point still stands aswell, where is the *actual* combat shown in any detail? or the "living worlds" feature set, because scripted dialogue, instanced stories or hell any story that ends, isnt a living world. What do you think lures people to MMORPGs hmm? "story?" .. no ... its still a completely different genre and labeled so, character building, stats padding, competitive gaming vs other players is the lure, not being able to kill some NPC and say "oh I killed him... but yea end game all its done is raise my dark side metre lolololol".

What you claim to be the lure, I claim is what is killing the MMORPG genre.

[QUOTE="Birdy09"]

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] I wont rage, but I do picture you as a kid who started with WoW or Runescape. May not be true though.shakmaster13

If WoW was my first I wouldnt have this mind set, infact I'd have your very mindset... where the world is run by the NPCS and the developers hand. which I dont, dont get me wrong, its a step foward, but its just an aesthetic step foward, alone its nothing.

That dev diary meant absolutely nothing, typical masculin lines, generic star wars characters which will not doubt be the majority, talking talking talking... I can choose to a kill an NPC, fantastic, that means most of the gameworld is no doubt going to be instanced right? *or* you can only participate with people far and few between. My point still stands aswell, where is the *actual* combat shown in any detail? or the "living worlds" feature set, because scripted dialogue, instanced stories or hell any story that ends, isnt a living world. What do you think lures people to MMORPGs hmm? "story?" .. no ... its still a completely different genre and labeled so, character building, stats padding, competitive gaming vs other players is the lure, not being able to kill some NPC and say "oh I killed him... but yea end game all its done is raise my dark side metre lolololol".

What you claim to be the lure, I claim is what is killing the MMORPG genre.

You're crazy if you think BioWare is going to put a dent into WoW...at all.

You're crazy if you think BioWare is going to put a dent into WoW...at all.

SoulEater30

Star Wars Galaxies bombed so we'll see, but it is bioware so we'll see.

Star Wars Galaxies bombed so we'll see, but it is bioware so we'll see.

HGAT

SWG bombed cause SOE is run by a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they are doing. The game had potential.

[QUOTE="HGAT"]

Star Wars Galaxies bombed so we'll see, but it is bioware so we'll see.

SWG bombed cause SOE is run by a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they are doing. The game had potential.

I'll believe it when it happens. In which, it won't.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="HGAT"]

Star Wars Galaxies bombed so we'll see, but it is bioware so we'll see.

SparkyProtocol

SWG bombed cause SOE is run by a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they are doing. The game had potential.

Jume to Fail is more like it. Only reason EQ survived the destruction of SOE was cause they were too busy ruining EQ2.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

SWG bombed cause SOE is run by a bunch of idiots who have no idea what they are doing. The game had potential.

Jume to Fail is more like it. Only reason EQ survived the destruction of SOE was cause they were too busy ruining EQ2.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] I curse the Jump to Lightspeed expansion every time SWG is mentioned. SOE hasnt been good since the first EQ IMHO.SparkyProtocol

Jume to Fail is more like it. Only reason EQ survived the destruction of SOE was cause they were too busy ruining EQ2.

You have no idea how badly i was hoping Vanguard was actually gonna live up to that hype. I tried liking that game for about a month before i realized it was pointless.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Jume to Fail is more like it. Only reason EQ survived the destruction of SOE was cause they were too busy ruining EQ2.

You have no idea how badly i was hoping Vanguard was actually gonna live up to that hype. I tried liking that game for about a month before i realized it was pointless.

[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"] Then there was Failguard that was the "spiritual successor" to EQ1. That failed. What have they done right lately?SparkyProtocol

You have no idea how badly i was hoping Vanguard was actually gonna live up to that hype. I tried liking that game for about a month before i realized it was pointless.

I never even tried AOC cause at the time my comp was garbage and i heard it required a NASA computer to play at 800x600 on low. I was thinking about trying it when the dev's said they revamped the game.

[QUOTE="Yandere"]

Yeah, just like how all the other WoW killers killed WoW.

aaronmullan

So WoW has become the Halo of MMOs. Every other MMO is trying to "kill" it.

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"][QUOTE="Yandere"]

Yeah, just like how all the other WoW killers killed WoW.

AdobeArtist

So WoW has become the Halo of MMOs. Every other MMO is trying to "kill" it.

wow is doing a fine job killing itself albeit slowly. Monthly overhauls of the classes because arena is imbalanced.

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

[QUOTE="sethman410"]i doubt it will kill wow. i predict it will get at least half of the wow's userbase.santoron

I don't think it will even get that. 2-3 mil tops.

Last I heard, 3 million is half of WoW's players, unless China has decided to allow WoW to reopen there in the last few days...

China banned wow? ;s that doesn't matter anyway, alot of chinese play on taiwanese servers..

Maybe if this was 1998 and people still cared about star wars it would have a chance at some way affecting WoW.

[QUOTE="SoulEater30"]

You're crazy if you think BioWare is going to put a dent into WoW...at all.

SparkyProtocol

[QUOTE="AdobeArtist"]

[QUOTE="aaronmullan"] This. WoW can only be killed by Blizzard. The Old Republic will get a good fanbase, but wont TOUCH WoW.Fizzman

So WoW has become the Halo of MMOs. Every other MMO is trying to "kill" it.

wow is doing a fine job killing itself albeit slowly. Monthly overhauls of the classes because arena is imbalanced.

I know MMO games are huge but damn they all looks so bad graphicaly and have almost no physics at all.Syferonik

I think Bioware will make a lot of money but they won't get rid of WoW.

People are addicted to WoW. They have invested their lives into their characters and they don't want to give that up to shoot a lazer rifle.

Casuals don't care about star wars as much as they used to. In fact that is good since it has gotten rather old. LucasArts knows this and now focuses on a younger audience with clone wars.

WoW can run on a lot of basic systems. I doubt this will.

Most importantly women won't switch to star wars, which means neither will their husbands/boyfriends.

I'm all for getting people off WoW but this won't have much of an effect. It will help but it won't take WoW off the pc gaming charts.

I think Bioware will make a lot of money but they won't get rid of WoW.

People are addicted to WoW. They have invested their lives into their characters and they don't want to give that up to shoot a lazer rifle.

Casuals don't care about star wars as much as they used to. In fact that is good since it has gotten rather old. LucasArts knows this and now focuses on a younger audience with clone wars.

WoW can run on a lot of basic systems. I doubt this will.

Most importantly women won't switch to star wars, which means neither will their husbands/boyfriends.

I'm all for getting people off WoW but this won't have much of an effect. It will help but it won't take WoW off the pc gaming charts.

dc337

[QUOTE="dc337"]

I think Bioware will make a lot of money but they won't get rid of WoW.

People are addicted to WoW. They have invested their lives into their characters and they don't want to give that up to shoot a lazer rifle.

Casuals don't care about star wars as much as they used to. In fact that is good since it has gotten rather old. LucasArts knows this and now focuses on a younger audience with clone wars.

WoW can run on a lot of basic systems. I doubt this will.

Most importantly women won't switch to star wars, which means neither will their husbands/boyfriends.

I'm all for getting people off WoW but this won't have much of an effect. It will help but it won't take WoW off the pc gaming charts.

SparkyProtocol

I fixed that for you.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

[QUOTE="dc337"]

I think Bioware will make a lot of money but they won't get rid of WoW.

People are addicted to WoW. They have invested their lives into their characters and they don't want to give that up to shoot a lazer rifle.

Casuals don't care about star wars as much as they used to. In fact that is good since it has gotten rather old. LucasArts knows this and now focuses on a younger audience with clone wars.

WoW can run on a lot of basic systems. I doubt this will.

Most importantly women won't switch to star wars, which means neither will their husbands/boyfriends.

I'm all for getting people off WoW but this won't have much of an effect. It will help but it won't take WoW off the pc gaming charts.

I fixed that for you.

[QUOTE="dc337"]

I think Bioware will make a lot of money but they won't get rid of WoW.

People are addicted to WoW. They have invested their lives into their characters and they don't want to give that up to shoot a lazer rifle.

Casuals don't care about star wars as much as they used to. In fact that is good since it has gotten rather old. LucasArts knows this and now focuses on a younger audience with clone wars.

WoW can run on a lot of basic systems. I doubt this will.

Most importantly women won't switch to star wars, which means neither will their husbands/boyfriends.

I'm all for getting people off WoW but this won't have much of an effect. It will help but it won't take WoW off the pc gaming charts.

SparkyProtocol

Bioware will face the same problem I saw with warhammer. Guys who wouldn't switch because their casual girlfriends/wives/coworkers all played WoW and didn't want to try anything new, especially since their own WoW friends wouldn't be there. It's an intertia problem.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"]

[QUOTE="dc337"]

I think Bioware will make a lot of money but they won't get rid of WoW.

People are addicted to WoW. They have invested their lives into their characters and they don't want to give that up to shoot a lazer rifle.

Casuals don't care about star wars as much as they used to. In fact that is good since it has gotten rather old. LucasArts knows this and now focuses on a younger audience with clone wars.

WoW can run on a lot of basic systems. I doubt this will.

Most importantly women won't switch to star wars, which means neither will their husbands/boyfriends.

I'm all for getting people off WoW but this won't have much of an effect. It will help but it won't take WoW off the pc gaming charts.

dc337

Bioware will face the same problem I saw with warhammer. Guys who wouldn't switch because their casual girlfriends/wives/coworkers all played WoW and didn't want to try anything new, especially since their own WoW friends wouldn't be there. It's an intertia problem.

This is a very very very very huge and misinformed generalization you are making here. Also the problem with warhammer wasn't people wives and gfs making them not switch. It was the fact the game played like an unpolished,extremely unbalanced version of WoW.