Bioware Says: Japanese RPG Developers Have Become 'Complacent'

If you mean revolutionary as in turning it cyber punk and giving everyone stupid hair styles and making all the men look like girls, then sure.

I admit i'm biased, i can't stand FF, but from those i know who do, and have played them all, they all cite 4, 6 and 10 as being better than 7. 7 is just the one most people played, that doesn't make it the best or in anyway of need of a remake. If anything Square should focus on something new.Snagal123

Each Final Fantasy game is distinct in its own way. In fact, one of the reasons FF13 is reviled by so many FF fans is because it strays so far from what's been traditional in FF games. Being technomagic and having stupid hairstyles has always been an FF staple, which borrows from the anime cultural roots. So is the androgyny. Methinks that if you don't know anything about something, best to shut the hell up.

Each Final Fantasy game is distinct in its own way. In fact, one of the reasons FF13 is reviled by so many FF fans is because it strays so far from what's been traditional in FF games. Being technomagic and having stupid hairstyles has always been an FF staple, which borrows from the anime cultural roots. So is the androgyny. Methinks that if you don't know anything about something, best to shut the hell up.

roxlimn

This is System Wars so i think i have the right to talk about something i know nothing about, everybody else does.

Being technomagic and having stupid hairstyles has always been an FF staple, which borrows from the anime cultural roots. So is the androgyny.

roxlimn

It is nice that anime is being more accepted in the Western mainstream, but still culturally-ignorant attitudes about anime and androgyny still persist. There is also xenophobia among Westerners on things like androgynous-looking male characters as if it offends their Western conception of masculinity.The Western world is not the center of the universe, and cultures have different conceptions of masculinity which may be at opposite ends.

On topic";

I thought that Westerners claim that we are more open-minded than the Japanese on video games, but I personally feel that Bioware is showing some Western gaming industry arrogance (which is aplenty as I have seen) by judging developers from another culture who see things differently. Instead of judging the developers of Japanese RPSs, why Bioware did not judge its fellow Western developers of RPGs first?

I still liked Demon Souls and Resonance of Fate, IMO they were as awesome as the WRPG he listed.

I do agree with him to a certain extent, but I think he's generalizing a little too much aka arrogant.

[QUOTE="AzatiS"][QUOTE="Snagal123"]

A remake of the most overrated FF game?I don't think they will be that worried.

Snagal123

If you mean revolutionary as in turning it cyber punk and giving everyone stupid hair styles and making all the men look like girls, then sure.

I admit i'm biased, i can't stand FF, but from those i know who do, and have played them all, they all cite 4, 6 and 10 as being better than 7. 7 is just the one most people played, that doesn't make it the best or in anyway of need of a remake. If anything Square should focus on something new.

[QUOTE="roxlimn"]

Each Final Fantasy game is distinct in its own way. In fact, one of the reasons FF13 is reviled by so many FF fans is because it strays so far from what's been traditional in FF games. Being technomagic and having stupid hairstyles has always been an FF staple, which borrows from the anime cultural roots. So is the androgyny. Methinks that if you don't know anything about something, best to shut the hell up.

Snagal123

This is System Wars so i think i have the right to talk about something i know nothing about, everybody else does.

[QUOTE="Snagal123"]

This is System Wars so i think i have the right to talk about something i know nothing about, everybody else does.

roxlimn

When it comes to FF i don't mind looking stupid. Haters gonna hate and i'm a hater.

I'm willing to bet they don''t play handheld games that are only released in Japan so their point is null.

Oh, man, the nerve they have to say that.

Dragon Age is practically Baldur's Gate in 3D with a bit more voice acting. And it's HIDEOUS. It's so far behind that I had to launch Guild Wars because I had the suspicion that a 5 year old MMO looks a lot better than it and it turned out I was right ...

Meanwhile, at the Hall of Super Best Friends....

Why Bioware likes to attack JRPGs? Miroku32

Perhaps Western developer hubris?

I've always, ALWAYS preferred WRPG's, hands down. But Final Fantasy 7 and Lost Odyssey are true classics.

You'd have to pay me to play something like Persona or anything heavily Japanese localised.

I've always, ALWAYS preferred WRPG's, hands down. But Final Fantasy 7 and Lost Odyssey are true classics.

You'd have to pay me to play something like Persona or anything heavily Japanese localised.

tomarlyn

When was the last time a JRPG scored AAA?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When was the last time a JRPG scored AAA?LookAnDrolL

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When was the last time a JRPG scored AAA?LookAnDrolL

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When was the last time a JRPG scored AAA?Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When was the last time a JRPG scored AAA?Stevo_the_gamer

Bioware is still butthurt about FFXIII destroying ME2 in sales? lol

Bigboi500

I don't play JRPGs since I have an inherent distaste for them, hence why I was turned off by this game since ... forever; of course, when explained to the user why I was turned off, I was berated (in a kind manner, of course) -- in vivid and detailed manner -- how Demon's Souls is not even close to being a JRPG. Just because it was made in Japan just not mean it's a typical JRPG. I'll warn you if foxhound_fox sees this thread, you'll be in a heap of a discussion about the matter.Stevo_the_gamer

I've always, ALWAYS preferred WRPG's, hands down. But Final Fantasy 7 and Lost Odyssey are true classics.

You'd have to pay me to play something like Persona or anything heavily Japanese localised.

tomarlyn

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Bioware is still butthurt about FFXIII destroying ME2 in sales? lol

Dead-Memories

[QUOTE="roxlimn"]

Being technomagic and having stupid hairstyles has always been an FF staple, which borrows from the anime cultural roots. So is the androgyny.

thom_maytees

It is nice that anime is being more accepted in the Western mainstream, but still culturally-ignorant attitudes about anime and androgyny still persist. There is also xenophobia among Westerners on things like androgynous-looking male characters as if it offends their Western conception of masculinity.The Western world is not the center of the universe, and cultures have different conceptions of masculinity which may be at opposite ends.

On topic";

I thought that Westerners claim that we are more open-minded than the Japanese on video games, but I personally feel that Bioware is showing some Western gaming industry arrogance (which is aplenty as I have seen) by judging developers from another culture who see things differently. Instead of judging the developers of Japanese RPSs, why Bioware did not judge its fellow Western developers of RPGs first?

jrpgs try to change in order to be liked by reviewers in the west.thats their bigest fault. jrpgs should stay jrpgs, turned based combat with great story ,worldmap,towns etc.no need to casualize them or put marcus fenix as the main character.

jrpgs are failing now because of that change.lost odyssey is the only typical jrpg this gen,with tales of vesperia/star ocean 4 being action rpgs and valkyria chronicles/disgaea being srpgs.

i dont even rate ffxiii as rpg...its bad ,better than xii ,but still bad.no excuse for the development time they had.

still who are bioware to talk with their casualised shooter,me2 is an rpg ?yeah right.....

so in the end give me old school jrpgs,typical turned based story driven rpgs,anyone wonder why they are doing so well in handhelds? because they stayed the same with ps1 era. thats the answer...

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When was the last time a JRPG scored AAA?LookAnDrolL

jrpgs try to change in order to be liked by reviewers in the west.thats their bigest fault. jrpgs should stay jrpgs, turned based combat with great story ,worldmap,towns etc.no need to casualize them or put marcus fenix as the main character.

jrpgs are failing now because of that change.lost odyssey is the only typical jrpg this gen,with tales of vesperia/star ocean 4 being action rpgs and valkyria chronicles/disgaea being srpgs.

i dont even rate ffxiii as rpg...its bad ,better than xii ,but still bad.no excuse for the development time they had.

still who are bioware to talk with their casualised shooter,me2 is an rpg ?yeah right.....

so in the end give me old school jrpgs,typical turned based story driven rpgs,anyone wonder why they are doing so well in handhelds? because they stayed the same with ps1 era. thats the answer...

skanjos

Why Bioware likes to attack JRPGs? Miroku32

JRPG's only have to do with where the game is made.

If this wasn't a case than most JRPGs would actually be WRPGs, since 80% of them are Wizardy clones.

[QUOTE="LookAnDrolL"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]When was the last time a JRPG scored AAA?Human-after-all

Silliness, pure and simple.

It would be different if he were saying that JRPGs just haven't blown EVERYTHING else away in terms of polish and production value, as they have in the past, but to go to a core pillar like design & structure is absurd because it gets me thinking, and when I get to doing that I start pondering what changes to structure and design W-RPGs have brought this generation, and it becomes clear they draw the big null. The design and structure of Fallout 3 and Oblivion is soooo much different than Morrowind and Daggerfall, right? Bethesda put out a game at the beginning of this generation that drew in more casual players than usual for an WRPG owing to an intense battle system, and because of that MS and EA have been willing to give Bioware the big bucks, allowing them to make prettier games with more and better V\O work, but in terms of structure, I don't see it at all. Oh, wait now I get it, Paragon and Renegade are sooo much different from Light Side and Dark Side or Low Path and High Path. Sounds like someone has been sitting on too many developer panels, and he got himself a bit of a big head. W-RPGs have made their games more action-like, hidden more and more of their rule sets, and their surprised their drawing bigger crowds? I have truly loved Bioware's output this generation, but this is nonsense.

Yes, there are 5 outstanding WRPGs this generation. Here are 25 great JRPGs:

Tales of Vesperia, The World Ends With You, Eternal Sonata, Lost Odyssey, Mario & Luigi 2, Mario & Luigi 3, Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor, Valkyria Chronicles, Persona 3, Persona 4,Rogue Galaxy,Odin Sphere,Dragon Quest 9, Etrian Odyssey II, Tales of Eternia, Valkyria Chronicles 2, Kingdom Hearts: Birth by Sleep, Demon's Souls, Monster Hunter Tri, Rune Factory Frontier, Pokemon (series), Final Fantasy Tactics: War of the Lions, Jeanne D' Arc, Disgaea 3, ASH: Archaic Sealed Heat

If it seems like a lot of those are handheld titles, umm....where do you think JRPG makers have been doing their work?

And so the pot called the kettle black.

WAIW

Man! Bioware has always been admired by me, specially for Baldur's Gate, and lately Dragon Age but... no doubt the FF series has meant a better experience to me. JRPGs might need to evolve a bit but please, not like Bioware's last shooter... oh! I mean RPG.

I agree with them.

Demon soul's was goty last year at least gamespot. They are hardly complacent. There is just unwarranted prejudice toward ff13 by the media. Bioware is way hypocritcal here. Valkryia chronicle, demon soul's, and resonance of fate are 3 games with brilliant fighting mechanics.

what we need now is some Japanese developers saying the same about western FPS :P

Vandal says: Bioware has abandoned what it means to make a good RPG game and has degraded the genre into an action oriented casual mess. Vandalvideo

Bioware is the American SqaureEnix.

That much is true

Bioware is the American SqaureEnix.

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