Bioware Says: Japanese RPG Developers Have Become 'Complacent'

[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]

Is King's Field a JRPG, because the developers consider it a spiritual successor to that series?

Is Shiren the Wanderer or other Roguelike games like Torneko, Pokemon Mystery Dungeon or the Chocobo series?

Japan refers to those games as "Dungeon Exploration Type RPGs."

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Bioware is still butthurt about FFXIII destroying ME2 in sales? lol

jasonharris48

[QUOTE="Bigboi500"]

Bioware is still butthurt about FFXIII destroying ME2 in sales? lol

jasonharris48

Considering they are still pumping out games by the KOTOR formula, they have no room to talk. Final Fantasy 13 is far more different and new compared to what has come before it than any recent Bioware effort. (KOTOR in ancient China, KOTOR in space, and KOTOR in a LOTR setting) Also, why the hell are these guys spending so much time now a days talking smack about JRPGs anyway? If you have to put down the competition to build yourselves up, then you're probably not half as good as you think you are.

They sound very arrogant instead of insulting JRPGs Bioware should focus on making better games .

[QUOTE="Bus-A-Bus"]

I definitely agree with him but Bioware,while best RPG developers,are DEFINITELY to arrogant.

They aren't even the best RPG developers precisely because they always play it safe. They themselves never innovate - they've been virtually making the same game since KOTOR, only they're becoming increasingly less like RPGs and more like action games.

Compare them to, say, CD Projekt Red (check out the latest Witcher 2 news) or even Obsidian (who make unstable but highly ambitious games), and their comments become totally pitiful. Bioware are good at polish, not creativity, and the last great, innovative thing they did for the genre was back in the 90s, with BG1/2.

*edit* But still, they're right about JRPGs, in a way. The whole subgenre spawned as an off-shoot of WRPGs like Ultima 4, and sadly missed out on the next 2-3 decades of WRPG evolution. Sure, they've had some general improvements, but they tend to be pretty similar, structure-wise.

They sound very arrogant instead of insulting JRPGs Bioware should focus on making better games .

HaLoMaStErJT

Considering they are still pumping out games by the KOTOR formula, they have no room to talk. Final Fantasy 13 is far more different and new compared to what has come before it than any recent Bioware effort. (KOTOR in ancient China, KOTOR in space, and KOTOR in a LOTR setting) Also, why the hell are these guys spending so much time now a days talking smack about JRPGs anyway? If you have to put down the competition to build yourselves up, then you're probably not half as good as you think you are.

SteveTabernacle

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"] and they have the second highest rated game this year...........[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]

Considering they are still pumping out games by the KOTOR formula, they have no room to talk. Final Fantasy 13 is far more different and new compared to what has come before it than any recent Bioware effort. (KOTOR in ancient China, KOTOR in space, and KOTOR in a LOTR setting) Also, why the hell are these guys spending so much time now a days talking smack about JRPGs anyway? If you have to put down the competition to build yourselves up, then you're probably not half as good as you think you are.

I'll give them that. Mass Effect 2, while still probably a sh!tty game, seems very different than their other titles... but that's pretty much the only one that's not a NWN or KOTOR clone.

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"][QUOTE="HaLoMaStErJT"] and they have the second highest rated game this year...........[QUOTE="SteveTabernacle"]

Considering they are still pumping out games by the KOTOR formula, they have no room to talk. Final Fantasy 13 is far more different and new compared to what has come before it than any recent Bioware effort. (KOTOR in ancient China, KOTOR in space, and KOTOR in a LOTR setting) Also, why the hell are these guys spending so much time now a days talking smack about JRPGs anyway? If you have to put down the competition to build yourselves up, then you're probably not half as good as you think you are.

wintermute0

I'll give them that. Mass Effect 2, while still probably a sh!tty game, seems very different than their other titles... but that's pretty much the only one that's not a NWN or KOTOR clone.

[QUOTE="wintermute0"]

[QUOTE="texasgoldrush"] Mass Effect 2 did break the formula and is nothing like KOTOR. It broke in in several ways. First, you don't go to the plot, the plot comes to you. Second, its far more character driven than the past games. Third, its more mission oriented than exploration oriented.jasonharris48

I'll give them that. Mass Effect 2, while still probably a sh!tty game, seems very different than their other titles... but that's pretty much the only one that's not a NWN or KOTOR clone.

I haven't played Mass Effect 2. I was just speculating, and it doesn't look like my cup of tea.

But, I'll agree with you about The Witcher...

[QUOTE="wintermute0"]

Mass Effect 2 did break the formula and is nothing like KOTOR. It broke in in several ways. First, you don't go to the plot, the plot comes to you. Second, its far more character driven than the past games. Third, its more mission oriented than exploration oriented.texasgoldrush

I'll give them that. Mass Effect 2, while still probably a sh!tty game, seems very different than their other titles... but that's pretty much the only one that's not a NWN or KOTOR clone.

[QUOTE="jasonharris48"]

[QUOTE="wintermute0"]

I'll give them that. Mass Effect 2, while still probably a sh!tty game, seems very different than their other titles... but that's pretty much the only one that's not a NWN or KOTOR clone.

texasgoldrush

[QUOTE="Espada12"]

It's true, the japanese need to really move from this grinding type gameplay most of all IMO. However I have to wonder if there was a FF fanboy in bioware who raged when he played 13 lol

TREAL_Since

You hardly need to "grind" that part.. You can scan one out of 3 planets you come across and you'll have more then enough.