http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:5,c:33
The supreme milking has begun....
The original (it's a reskinned model being sold for 25$)
Kotaku article about this.
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http://us.blizzard.com/store/browse.xml?f=c:5,c:33
The supreme milking has begun....
The original (it's a reskinned model being sold for 25$)
Kotaku article about this.
how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
It's on the same level as the 15$ DLC that Modern Warfare 2 presented. Sure, it's optionable -- it's still milking. Even though, that at least provided content whereas this 25$ mount provides a reskinned mount that's already in the game available only to hardcore raiders. Not that I play WoW, it's just annoying to see Blizzard do this. I guess they're all for the money now.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Vinegar_Strokes
At least it's a ridiculously awesome mount. I've seen people in Dalaran with them....ah....
I admit I'm tempted....
We are paying a MONTHLY FEE for WoW, the monthly fee is suppose to cover all the content in the game. Expansions shouldn't even exist (they did because bandwidth used to be so expensive the monthly fee was just to break even and the expansions made the money). Everything they're selling for extra could and should had been items we can attain in game. Selling extras for real money is how FREE MMORPGs make money.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Vinegar_Strokes
Its not bad to WoW players. When they started paying 15 dollars a month, well thats when they became susceptible to such things as this. Its pocket digging at its finest. Blizzard are so rich they can afford their own conventions.
[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]We are paying a MONTHLY FEE for WoW, the monthly fee is suppose to cover all the content in the game. Expansions shouldn't even exist (they did because bandwidth used to be so expensive the monthly fee was just to break even and the expansions made the money). Everything they're selling for extra could and should had been items we can attain in game. Selling extras for real money is how FREE MMORPGs make money.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Nerkcon
I Pretty much agree with this. Its the truth.
lol @ people buying these things, especially the celestial steed.
They must feel so ashamed when someone asks them where did they get that.
I don't usually agree with anti-Blizzard movements as they have extremely lame points one hundred percent of the time, but this is ridiculous.
I'd also like to see the sales figures for them.
$25 dollars to switch servers is pretty insane. Warhammer does it for free, they just have a set limit on how many times you can move.
[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]We are paying a MONTHLY FEE for WoW, the monthly fee is suppose to cover all the content in the game. Expansions shouldn't even exist (they did because bandwidth used to be so expensive the monthly fee was just to break even and the expansions made the money). Everything they're selling for extra could and should had been items we can attain in game. Selling extras for real money is how FREE MMORPGs make money. Monthly fees are how a company pays for the servers. This has always been true. Purchase of the game pays for development costs, monthly fees pay for server costs. Allowing somebody to shell out $25 for their flying mount is no different than the redemption codes they have for in-game items in their packs of trading cards and crap like that. They're not getting anything in game that you can't get yourself... they're just getting it without work. You can be indignant all you want, but there have always (yes, ALWAYS) been items only a few were able/willing to get their hands on, because it cost them real money to do so. (If I remember correctly, people who paid extra for a special edition of the game a while back got a code for a special in-game pet) This is not new, so get over it. That all being said... Activision. That is all.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Nerkcon
I used to think they're a good idea but after reading a long, intense debate several years ago; I don't think server transfers should exist. Servers are like foreign countries to each other; the community in each server forms their own mini culture, rules, stories and legends. Server transfers are like letting foreign coming to your country without using/respecting your rules and such. In a game with super fast leveling like in WoW starting over shouldn't even be that hard.$25 dollars to switch servers is pretty insane. Warhammer does it for free, they just have a set limit on how many times you can move.
UnknownSniper65
[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]We are paying a MONTHLY FEE for WoW, the monthly fee is suppose to cover all the content in the game. Expansions shouldn't even exist (they did because bandwidth used to be so expensive the monthly fee was just to break even and the expansions made the money). Everything they're selling for extra could and should had been items we can attain in game. Selling extras for real money is how FREE MMORPGs make money. Monthly fees are how a company pays for the servers. This has always been true. Purchase of the game pays for development costs, monthly fees pay for server costs. Allowing somebody to shell out $25 for their flying mount is no different than the redemption codes they have for in-game items in their packs of trading cards and crap like that. They're not getting anything in game that you can't get yourself... they're just getting it without work. You can be indignant all you want, but there have always (yes, ALWAYS) been items only a few were able/willing to get their hands on, because it cost them real money to do so. (If I remember correctly, people who paid extra for a special edition of the game a while back got a code for a special in-game pet) This is not new, so get over it. That all being said... Activision. That is all. 1. They are making tons of monthly from their monthly fee alone, or else it wouldn't had taken four years for the first expansion to come out. 2. They are not giving them items you can get yourself in game, the card game items and the store items can only be brought and not earn in the game.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Greyfeld
I think that Blizzard took a look at the revenue that Turbine is pulling from its in-game shop and decided that it wanted a piece of the microtransaction action. I don't blame them. Even though DDO is a small MMO, Turbine has seen a marked increase in revenue ever since they went free to play with a microtransaction shop.
I don't mind it at all, since it creates a new way for developers to profit from MMO's and variety is a good thing.
I've never played WoW, though, so I can't relate to any game specific issues with their shop.
How is this milking? It doesn't affect other players at all, if you care this much about how other people's fun... you really should stop playingsalxisIt does affect our fun, if they weren't selling it at a store it would likely had been a raid drop or a PVP award. Selling items for extra in a game you pay a monthly fee for is not fun.
[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] We are paying a MONTHLY FEE for WoW, the monthly fee is suppose to cover all the content in the game. Expansions shouldn't even exist (they did because bandwidth used to be so expensive the monthly fee was just to break even and the expansions made the money). Everything they're selling for extra could and should had been items we can attain in game. Selling extras for real money is how FREE MMORPGs make money.NerkconMonthly fees are how a company pays for the servers. This has always been true. Purchase of the game pays for development costs, monthly fees pay for server costs. Allowing somebody to shell out $25 for their flying mount is no different than the redemption codes they have for in-game items in their packs of trading cards and crap like that. They're not getting anything in game that you can't get yourself... they're just getting it without work. You can be indignant all you want, but there have always (yes, ALWAYS) been items only a few were able/willing to get their hands on, because it cost them real money to do so. (If I remember correctly, people who paid extra for a special edition of the game a while back got a code for a special in-game pet) This is not new, so get over it. That all being said... Activision. That is all. 1. They are making tons of monthly from their monthly fee alone, or else it wouldn't had taken four years for the first expansion to come out. 2. They are not giving them items you can get yourself in game, the card game items and the store items can only be brought and not earn in the game.
1. This link alone should completely blow away any debate you have about how much money blizzard is making on monthly fees.
2. You can get flying mounts in game. Just because it's skinned differently doesn't mean anything. You want to be able to get your hands on it without having to shell out the cash, and that's your problem. This doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Blizzard, it just means you don't think it's worth your money to buy the mount yourself.
[QUOTE="salxis"]How is this milking? It doesn't affect other players at all, if you care this much about how other people's fun... you really should stop playingNerkconIt does affect our fun, if they weren't selling it at a store it would likely had been a raid drop or a PVP award. Selling items for extra in a game you pay a monthly fee for is not fun. And if they never made the mount at all, you wouldn't be getting it anyway. So ultimately, you're crying because somebody else is getting something you're not.
[QUOTE="salxis"]How is this milking? It doesn't affect other players at all, if you care this much about how other people's fun... you really should stop playingNerkconIt does affect our fun, if they weren't selling it at a store it would likely had been a raid drop or a PVP award. Selling items for extra in a game you pay a monthly fee for is not fun.
It's a skin, that's really all I want to say, other than Epeen happiness, there's really no differences (minus the 30% speed) between each epic flying mount.
Since this skin is unique, we could assume that if it's implemented into the game, it would be
1: Meta achievement
2: Hardmode boss kill
3: Gladiator PVP reward.
If you could've gotten these, you already got a 310% mount, so how does a skin affect your enjoyment of the game?
1. They are making tons of monthly from their monthly fee alone, or else it wouldn't had taken four years for the first expansion to come out. 2. They are not giving them items you can get yourself in game, the card game items and the store items can only be brought and not earn in the game.[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="Greyfeld"] Monthly fees are how a company pays for the servers. This has always been true. Purchase of the game pays for development costs, monthly fees pay for server costs. Allowing somebody to shell out $25 for their flying mount is no different than the redemption codes they have for in-game items in their packs of trading cards and crap like that. They're not getting anything in game that you can't get yourself... they're just getting it without work. You can be indignant all you want, but there have always (yes, ALWAYS) been items only a few were able/willing to get their hands on, because it cost them real money to do so. (If I remember correctly, people who paid extra for a special edition of the game a while back got a code for a special in-game pet) This is not new, so get over it. That all being said... Activision. That is all.Greyfeld
1. This link alone should completely blow away any debate you have about how much money blizzard is making on monthly fees.
2. You can get flying mounts in game. Just because it's skinned differently doesn't mean anything. You want to be able to get your hands on it without having to shell out the cash, and that's your problem. This doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Blizzard, it just means you don't think it's worth your money to buy the mount yourself.
1. The answer was true, but they're still making money. After all, they avoid merging low populated servers just to avoid bad news. The monthly fee pays all the servers, employees, and development all by itself. Selling extras is just to give them more pocket change. 2. Most of the content in the the game, including dungeons are bosses, are just reskins. But they're still content. And it is predicted the speed is going to be 370%, %10 faster than any other flying mount in the game.I've been playing MMO's for a long time but I've always avoided WoW. I can tell you from experience that Blizzard need to be very careful, it's one long slippery slope from here....
It does affect our fun, if they weren't selling it at a store it would likely had been a raid drop or a PVP award. Selling items for extra in a game you pay a monthly fee for is not fun.[QUOTE="Nerkcon"][QUOTE="salxis"]How is this milking? It doesn't affect other players at all, if you care this much about how other people's fun... you really should stop playingsalxis
It's a skin, that's really all I want to say, other than Epeen happiness, there's really no differences (minus the 30% speed) between each epic flying mount.
Since this skin is unique, we could assume that if it's implemented into the game, it would be
1: Meta achievement
2: Hardmode boss kill
3: Gladiator PVP reward.
If you could've gotten these, you already got a 310% mount, so how does a skin affect your enjoyment of the game?
For one thing I"m not even playing the game. It's not the price or the existence but the principle; if this sells like hotcakes they will continue to do more of this stuff and it'll get worst, to the point they will sell many important items via the store. And then other companies will follower suit, and then every MMO will be a monthly fee + a cash shop.It won't be a slippery slope until they start selling exp scrolls/items that are better than in-game ones :PI've been playing MMO's for a long time but I've always avoided WoW. I can tell you from experience that Blizzard need to be very careful, it's one long slippery slope from here....
Kan0nF0dder
[QUOTE="Greyfeld"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] 1. They are making tons of monthly from their monthly fee alone, or else it wouldn't had taken four years for the first expansion to come out. 2. They are not giving them items you can get yourself in game, the card game items and the store items can only be brought and not earn in the game.Nerkcon
1. This link alone should completely blow away any debate you have about how much money blizzard is making on monthly fees.
2. You can get flying mounts in game. Just because it's skinned differently doesn't mean anything. You want to be able to get your hands on it without having to shell out the cash, and that's your problem. This doesn't mean that there's anything wrong with Blizzard, it just means you don't think it's worth your money to buy the mount yourself.
1. The answer was true, but they're still making money. After all, they avoid merging low populated servers just to avoid bad news. The monthly fee pays all the servers, employees, and development all by itself. Selling extras is just to give them more pocket change. 2. Most of the content in the the game, including dungeons are bosses, are just reskins. But they're still content. And it is predicted the speed is going to be 370%, %10 faster than any other flying mount in the game. *Gasp* oh no, not a whole 10% faster! How will you ever keep up when you fly from the flight path to the dungeon entrance?? Jeez, I bet they get there a whole 8 seconds ahead of you. This is unacceptable. Boycott Blizzard!!![QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]It won't be a slippery slope until they start selling exp scrolls/items that are better than in-game ones :P In a way they do; people make new accounts and RAF themselves which is most likely why they support multiboxing.I've been playing MMO's for a long time but I've always avoided WoW. I can tell you from experience that Blizzard need to be very careful, it's one long slippery slope from here....
salxis
[QUOTE="salxis"][QUOTE="Nerkcon"] It does affect our fun, if they weren't selling it at a store it would likely had been a raid drop or a PVP award. Selling items for extra in a game you pay a monthly fee for is not fun.Nerkcon
It's a skin, that's really all I want to say, other than Epeen happiness, there's really no differences (minus the 30% speed) between each epic flying mount.
Since this skin is unique, we could assume that if it's implemented into the game, it would be
1: Meta achievement
2: Hardmode boss kill
3: Gladiator PVP reward.
If you could've gotten these, you already got a 310% mount, so how does a skin affect your enjoyment of the game?
For one thing I"m not even playing the game. It's not the price or the existence but the principle; if this sells like hotcakes they will continue to do more of this stuff and it'll get worst, to the point they will sell many important items via the store. And then other companies will follower suit, and then every MMO will be a monthly fee + a cash shop. If Blizzard wants to ruin their reputation by doing micro transactions that actually affects the game balance (i.e. selling items that are better than what you can get in-game), then yeah, it would be terrible, western audiences will never accept it, and at the end we still can't do anything about it :P[QUOTE="salxis"][QUOTE="Kan0nF0dder"]It won't be a slippery slope until they start selling exp scrolls/items that are better than in-game ones :P In a way they do; people make new accounts and RAF themselves which is most likely why they support multiboxing. I would just call those "creative" (albeit money wasting and totally silly) way of abusing the existing system :P. I am sure noone would've thought RAF would degrade into a super easy exp systemI've been playing MMO's for a long time but I've always avoided WoW. I can tell you from experience that Blizzard need to be very careful, it's one long slippery slope from here....
Nerkcon
None of this stuff is bad because all the pets and this mount do not effect gameplay. It is just fun stuff that does not make a character any better. It will not be bad till they start selling high tier weapons and armor. The mount is no faster then the persons other mounts. A player has to already have a 310% flight speed to get that with the new mount.
[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]We are paying a MONTHLY FEE for WoW, the monthly fee is suppose to cover all the content in the game. Expansions shouldn't even exist (they did because bandwidth used to be so expensive the monthly fee was just to break even and the expansions made the money). Everything they're selling for extra could and should had been items we can attain in game. Selling extras for real money is how FREE MMORPGs make money. I agree with what you're saying about having paid downloadable items online like mounts etc. But expansions have ALWAYS been part of mmorpg's, and are well worth their $40 price-tag.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Nerkcon
[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]It's on the same level as the 15$ DLC that Modern Warfare 2 presented. Sure, it's optionable -- it's still milking. Even though, that at least provided content whereas this 25$ mount provides a reskinned mount that's already in the game available only to hardcore raiders. Not that I play WoW, it's just annoying to see Blizzard do this. I guess they're all for the money now. as opposed to being in it for what?how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Lethalhazard
[QUOTE="Lethalhazard"][QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]It's on the same level as the 15$ DLC that Modern Warfare 2 presented. Sure, it's optionable -- it's still milking. Even though, that at least provided content whereas this 25$ mount provides a reskinned mount that's already in the game available only to hardcore raiders. Not that I play WoW, it's just annoying to see Blizzard do this. I guess they're all for the money now. as opposed to being in it for what? lol i guess they're supposed to be in it for the smiles and rainbows.how is that milking? if people want to buy mounts then blizzard would be MORONS not to sell them. by the way this does not mean you now have to buy you mount in the game. that would be milking.
Vinegar_Strokes
i totallly called it. and everyone i knew was like "nah you're wrong" and they laughed! look who is laughing now!
also i totally want that mount QQ
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