BREAKING NEWS - XBOX launch set for November 22

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] kinda funny that these dumb lemmings complained about PS3 being overpriced while they need to buy three 360s because of the RROD. in the end many lembots actually paid more for 360s than the initial ps3 price.strawhatlupi

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Actually, the ony dumb person here is YOU. With a 3 year warranty and with MS taking 1 week to replace your unit, only an idiot would purchase a new unit. kingtito

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[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

Sony didn't have a 30% failure rate on Launch Models, like Microsoft did with the 360.

And Microsoft didn't admit it until 2007, when people who were past the initial warranty were STILL having problems with their launch units and word was spreading about how crappy their QA department was. MS was forced to extend the Warranty period of those early models to 3 years because they were failing randomly during the first 3 years of the console's lifecycle, which is horrendous.

Netherscourge

How would you know? Sony didn't admit to the PS2 problems and they got sued because of it. Stands to reason they wouldn't admit to the PS3 launch problems as well. The YOLD and laser problems are well known yet what did Sony do to fix those issues? Nothing other than releasing new models but that didn't help the ones that had to pay for a new one or pay for repairs.

MS extended the warranty before 2007 and also re-imbursed for those that paid for the repairs. I had 3 replaced and all under warranty which is FAR more than I could say for Sony when I had to replace my PS1, PS2 AND PS3.

Not really sure what you're trying to say here. MS extended the warranty, re-imbursed those that paid for repairs and eventually fixed the issues. Sony didn't extend the warranty, didn't re-imburse those that paid for the repairs, was sued and STILL never admitted to problems they had with all their consoles. I don't think turning a console upside down is an exceptable fix, do you?

They didn't fix any issue until they made a new Falcon/Jasper SKUand used those to replace the RROD units they kept sending back to people that broke within days of getting them back from Microsoft.

Trust me - I know. I and other people had sent multiple Coffin Boxes to Microsoft during those years.

It wasn't until they REPLACED our units with new Falcon/Jasper models back in 2009 that we got a console that actually WORKED. Prior to that, Micrsoft would take your RROD unit, swap out the Heatsink and solder it into some other unit's board that passed initial QA testing (which itself is laughable). Then they ship that to you and some people reported that the replacement unit didn't even work out of the box.

Don't even try to tell me Sony is worse than Microsoft when it comes to reliable hardware - I've NEVER had a failed PS1, PS2 or PS3 and there have never been as horribly high of a failure rate as those Xbox 360 Launch and Zephyr models from 2005 through 2007/08.

And thus they got fixed. What didn't you understand about that. I never said they fixed the original models with the Falcon.Japer SKUS. They sent me a launch model that still works. That's all I cared about and it's been 5-6 years since.

Why would I need to trust you sicne I had to send 3 in myself? I got back 2 of the 3 within 1 week while the other they "lost". After complaining for a while they finally sent me another unit, which still work btw. Sucks that you had so many problems but YOU =/= the world

Yeah I'm going to tell you Sony is worse when it comes to reliable hardware. PS1, PS2 AND PS3s had problems ranging from power supply, DRE and YOLD issues. Did Sony replace those units or extend it's warranty? Nope, they said give us more money and we'll repair it for you. They long denied the DRE issue until they got sued and then still tried to blame the users. Sony has a poor history or reliable consoles. Might want to take those rose colored glasses off for once.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] kinda funny that these dumb lemmings complained about PS3 being overpriced while they need to buy three 360s because of the RROD. in the end many lembots actually paid more for 360s than the initial ps3 price.Netherscourge

They didn't give you a 3-year warranty until 2007.

The 360 launched in 2005. So from 2005 to March 2007, when Peter Moore FINALLY admitted to the world that the 360s were garbage, people who were past the 12 month warranty had to go buy a new unit.

Microsoft did NOT reimburse anyone for the new units they had to buy during those 16 months. Most people relied on stuff like Replacement Plan warranties, which cost an extra $50 to replace them.

Yes the extended warranty came out in 2007. The 360 launched in Nov 2005 so I'm not sure where you get that 16 months number from since it originally came with a 1 year warranty.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/microsoft-extending-360-warranty-to-three-years-6173633

Try reading it. Said in the article people would get re-imbursed if you paid for the repairs prior to the extended warranty. Oh and I said re-imbursed for repairs not re-imbursed for buying a new unit. Why would you pay another $400 when you could get it repaired for less than half that?

What's your point here? That MS is worse than Sony when it comes to warranty or building reliable hardware? The orginal Xbox was reliable while the launch 360s weren't. The PS1, PS2 and PS3 weren't as reliable as you're trying to say and there are numerous articles proving it.

So again, what's your point?

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[QUOTE="kingtito"]

How would you know? Sony didn't admit to the PS2 problems and they got sued because of it. Stands to reason they wouldn't admit to the PS3 launch problems as well. The YOLD and laser problems are well known yet what did Sony do to fix those issues? Nothing other than releasing new models but that didn't help the ones that had to pay for a new one or pay for repairs.

MS extended the warranty before 2007 and also re-imbursed for those that paid for the repairs. I had 3 replaced and all under warranty which is FAR more than I could say for Sony when I had to replace my PS1, PS2 AND PS3.

Not really sure what you're trying to say here. MS extended the warranty, re-imbursed those that paid for repairs and eventually fixed the issues. Sony didn't extend the warranty, didn't re-imburse those that paid for the repairs, was sued and STILL never admitted to problems they had with all their consoles. I don't think turning a console upside down is an exceptable fix, do you?

kingtito

They didn't fix any issue until they made a new Falcon/Jasper SKUand used those to replace the RROD units they kept sending back to people that broke within days of getting them back from Microsoft.

Trust me - I know. I and other people had sent multiple Coffin Boxes to Microsoft during those years.

It wasn't until they REPLACED our units with new Falcon/Jasper models back in 2009 that we got a console that actually WORKED. Prior to that, Micrsoft would take your RROD unit, swap out the Heatsink and solder it into some other unit's board that passed initial QA testing (which itself is laughable). Then they ship that to you and some people reported that the replacement unit didn't even work out of the box.

Don't even try to tell me Sony is worse than Microsoft when it comes to reliable hardware - I've NEVER had a failed PS1, PS2 or PS3 and there have never been as horribly high of a failure rate as those Xbox 360 Launch and Zephyr models from 2005 through 2007/08.

And thus they got fixed. What didn't you understand about that. I never said they fixed the original models with the Falcon.Japer SKUS. They sent me a launch model that still works. That's all I cared about and it's been 5-6 years since.

Why would I need to trust you sicne I had to send 3 in myself? I got back 2 of the 3 within 1 week while the other they "lost". After complaining for a while they finally sent me another unit, which still work btw. Sucks that you had so many problems but YOU =/= the world

Yeah I'm going to tell you Sony is worse when it comes to reliable hardware. PS1, PS2 AND PS3s had problems ranging from power supply, DRE and YOLD issues. Did Sony replace those units or extend it's warranty? Nope, they said give us more money and we'll repair it for you. They long denied the DRE issue until they got sued and then still tried to blame the users. Sony has a poor history or reliable consoles. Might want to take those rose colored glasses off for once.

While the early launch console adopters did have to pay for a repair they were also all reimbursed. All other consoles had the extended warranty. I had a launch console fail on me, paid the fee, and was reimbursed. I also had a launch Elite console fail, not from RROD, that was replaced. Everyone I know with a failed 360 console was either reimbursed or had their console replaced for free. The only person I know who did not was someone who had a remanufactured launch console that died after its one year warranty. On the other hand myself and two others I know had the YLOD and got no sympathy from Sony. I was told to send in my PS3 with a copy of my receipt so I did. When I received it back it was the dead console with a letter saying my receipt was fake. After going back an forth with Sony my return period for the store I purchased at was over. In the end I was left with a broken console. ( I originally tried to return it to the store of purchase but the were sold out so I opted to have Sony repair it under warranty which they did not honor after only having it for about two weeks). MS had a huge failure rate but they admitted it and took action to remedy the problem. Sony did what they always have with their systems and ignored the problem and left their customers to foot the bill. cheesie253

After the RRODs and YLODs, i think that NOBODY will dare to buy a PS4 or X1 without doing one of those extra warranty/extra cover plans. They are not that expensive anyway.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] lol replaced? do you really believe MS did that? theyre just recirculating broken defective refurbished units over and over until the 3 year warranty expired. you lems really are stupid... replacing your defective 360 with another defective 360 doesnt make it any better.strawhatlupi

[QUOTE="Netherscourge"]

They didn't fix any issue until they made a new Falcon/Jasper SKUand used those to replace the RROD units they kept sending back to people that broke within days of getting them back from Microsoft.

Trust me - I know. I and other people had sent multiple Coffin Boxes to Microsoft during those years.

It wasn't until they REPLACED our units with new Falcon/Jasper models back in 2009 that we got a console that actually WORKED. Prior to that, Micrsoft would take your RROD unit, swap out the Heatsink and solder it into some other unit's board that passed initial QA testing (which itself is laughable). Then they ship that to you and some people reported that the replacement unit didn't even work out of the box.

Don't even try to tell me Sony is worse than Microsoft when it comes to reliable hardware - I've NEVER had a failed PS1, PS2 or PS3 and there have never been as horribly high of a failure rate as those Xbox 360 Launch and Zephyr models from 2005 through 2007/08.

And thus they got fixed. What didn't you understand about that. I never said they fixed the original models with the Falcon.Japer SKUS. They sent me a launch model that still works. That's all I cared about and it's been 5-6 years since.

Why would I need to trust you sicne I had to send 3 in myself? I got back 2 of the 3 within 1 week while the other they "lost". After complaining for a while they finally sent me another unit, which still work btw. Sucks that you had so many problems but YOU =/= the world

Yeah I'm going to tell you Sony is worse when it comes to reliable hardware. PS1, PS2 AND PS3s had problems ranging from power supply, DRE and YOLD issues. Did Sony replace those units or extend it's warranty? Nope, they said give us more money and we'll repair it for you. They long denied the DRE issue until they got sued and then still tried to blame the users. Sony has a poor history or reliable consoles. Might want to take those rose colored glasses off for once.

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Well moron they didn't send my unit back. They repalced it with a different unit they fixed from a previous failure. kingtito

And thus they got fixed. What didn't you understand about that. I never said they fixed the original models with the Falcon.Japer SKUS. They sent me a launch model that still works. That's all I cared about and it's been 5-6 years since.

Why would I need to trust you sicne I had to send 3 in myself? I got back 2 of the 3 within 1 week while the other they "lost". After complaining for a while they finally sent me another unit, which still work btw. Sucks that you had so many problems but YOU =/= the world

Yeah I'm going to tell you Sony is worse when it comes to reliable hardware. PS1, PS2 AND PS3s had problems ranging from power supply, DRE and YOLD issues. Did Sony replace those units or extend it's warranty? Nope, they said give us more money and we'll repair it for you. They long denied the DRE issue until they got sued and then still tried to blame the users. Sony has a poor history or reliable consoles. Might want to take those rose colored glasses off for once.

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] unless you can back up your claim with reliable study like this at least http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/SquareTrade_Xbox360_PS3_Wii_Reliability_0809.pdf%2Bps3+vs+xbox+360+reliability+studies&hl=en&nfpr=&spell=1&ct=clnk dont expect anyone will take your jacka$$ery seriouslystrawhatlupi

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="kingtito"] Sony getting sued over the PS2 DRE failures isn't proof enough for you? The well documented YOLD PS3 problems aren't enough either? Prehaps you should take your head out of Sony's @ss for once. See Sony for what they really are, a greedy company only after your money just like MS.kingtito

So weird to announce it on some random day instead of a conference/expo where everyone will be paying attention, but whatever.campzor

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] lol what a fool... lawsuit doesnt prove anything. ever heard of the saying "innocent until proven guilty" i can sue you for child molestation, that doesnt mean youre a child molester. evidence must be supplied and must then be scrutinized in court. learn your justice system kidstrawhatlupi

Funny calling me a kid when you're the one that acts like a 12 year around here.

Did I say they were sentenced? They settled or whatever because they KNEW they were guilty. Are you seriously trying to deny the PS2 DRE problem? I don't remember 1 person that didn't eventually have that problem.

Sony would say the same thing about the suite filed my immersion. Were they also innocent of copy right infringement? They settled that law suite and all of a sudden rumble was relevant again. Guess they didn't do anything wrong there either huh since settling means nothing.

So in the US the PS4 is before the X1, but in the UK, the X1 is before the PS4. Anyone find that funny?

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="kingtito"] They lost that law suit from what I remember. So "guilty" would be the verdict then wouldn't it? Guess that means the PS2 did in fact have DRE issues.kingtito

Funny calling me a kid when you're the one that acts like a 12 year around here.

Did I say they were sentenced? They settled or whatever because they KNEW they were guilty. Are you seriously trying to deny the PS2 DRE problem? I don't remember 1 person that didn't eventually have that problem.

Sony would say the same thing about the suite filed my immersion. Were they also innocent of copy right infringement? They settled that law suite and all of a sudden rumble was relevant again. Guess they didn't do anything wrong there either huh since settling means nothing.

The good thing about PS4 releasing in EU 2 weeks later is that we will have access to all reviews before the games are launched here and can change our minds if we want.

I imagine Digital Foundry will be having serious nightmares with the huge amount of Face Offs they will have to do. Its gonna be interesting!!!

ManatuBeard

So in the US the PS4 is before the X1, but in the UK, the X1 is before the PS4. Anyone find that funny?

mitu123

stop making things up kid. Sony settles the case very different from being sentence by court. sony never admit to any wrong doing. they agree to settle because hiring lawyers cost much more money. "innocentA Sony rep confirmed the settlement for GameSpot but insisted it is in no way an admission of guilt. "While we are convinced that there is no problem with these models, and that we would win if we defended this case through trial, we have agreed to settle these lawsuits to avoid the extraordinary high cost of cumbersome class action litigation," the representative said." no court sentenced Sony guilty. freaking lem and his make up stories.strawhatlupi

Funny calling me a kid when you're the one that acts like a 12 year around here.

Did I say they were sentenced? They settled or whatever because they KNEW they were guilty. Are you seriously trying to deny the PS2 DRE problem? I don't remember 1 person that didn't eventually have that problem.

Sony would say the same thing about the suite filed my immersion. Were they also innocent of copy right infringement? They settled that law suite and all of a sudden rumble was relevant again. Guess they didn't do anything wrong there either huh since settling means nothing.

Sorry cows. Greatness denied. Xbone will dominate. RoslindaleOne

[QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"]Sorry cows. Greatness denied. Xbone will dominate. Kaz_Son

Fight!!

[QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"]Sorry cows. Greatness denied. Xbone will dominate. Kaz_Son

[QUOTE="donalbane"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] the only thing the 360 beat are the stupid lems who were dupe to buy 3 xbox360 units because of the RROD.strawhatlupi

And since we're on the topic of hardware failure, as I recall Microsoft made good by spending billions to replace broken units while Sony did nothing. And why should they? Their fanbase would forgive them if Playstations started spontaneously combusting and screwing their wives.

Funny calling me a kid when you're the one that acts like a 12 year around here.

Did I say they were sentenced? They settled or whatever because they KNEW they were guilty. Are you seriously trying to deny the PS2 DRE problem? I don't remember 1 person that didn't eventually have that problem.

Sony would say the same thing about the suite filed my immersion. Were they also innocent of copy right infringement? They settled that law suite and all of a sudden rumble was relevant again. Guess they didn't do anything wrong there either huh since settling means nothing.

[QUOTE="Kaz_Son"][QUOTE="RoslindaleOne"]Sorry cows. Greatness denied. Xbone will dominate. kingtito

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="donalbane"] You do know that the PS3 had hardware issues too, right? I'm on number 3 myself. Take it you didn't pick up a PS3 at launch. donalbane

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] tell that to yourself kid. unless you got solid proof or some comparative studies youre just talking sh!ts.strawhatlupi

Listen dumb@ss, I didn't say anything about the failure rate of the 360 being acceptable. What I'm saying is at least MS did something about it. Doesn't matter if it was 6 months after original warranty ran out. They did something which is a hell of a lot more than what Soy ever did with ANY PS product.

So to get this straight, you're denying the DRE issues with the PS2? It never happened or it wasn't a big deal?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Kaz_Son"]In your dreams :cool:. M$ damage controlling and getting owned at E3 and Gamescom say otherwise. Greatness Awaits.Chutebox

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="kingtito"] 12 year old am confirmed. I've seen some intelligent kids post before and unfortunately you aren't one of them. kingtito

Listen dumb@ss, I didn't say anything about the failure rate of the 360 being acceptable. What I'm saying is at least MS did something about it. Doesn't matter if it was 6 months after original warranty ran out. They did something which is a hell of a lot more than what Soy ever did with ANY PS product.

So to get this straight, you're denying the DRE issues with the PS2? It never happened or it wasn't a big deal?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="kingtito"] What did Sony do to own MS at E3? Was it the games they showed? Was it the hardware they already revealed? What exactly did they do? I'll tell you. They announced no used game policy and no always online requirement. Something PS uses had with the PS3 except for 1 major thing,they announced P2P online. Since MS reversed the policies Sony really doesn't have anything else to say now do they? You're scared aren't you? Scared that the company you worship may not dominate like you're hoping. kingtito

Although I deride them for how many countries they'll be launching in and their launch date being later than I would have assumed, this is probably a good thing. Hopefully this allows for more quality controls to limit malfunctioning units so we don't get a RROD repeat.

third party product analyst verify on their studies supplied with methodology data and documents that 360 is have an unacceptable failure rate = proof. MS exec admiting product inferiority = proof a kiddie lem who dont know shit about laws and pretending he know stuff by posting unverifiable fanboy make up stories on a gaming forum = kingtito =/= proof strawhatlupi

Listen dumb@ss, I didn't say anything about the failure rate of the 360 being acceptable. What I'm saying is at least MS did something about it. Doesn't matter if it was 6 months after original warranty ran out. They did something which is a hell of a lot more than what Soy ever did with ANY PS product.

So to get this straight, you're denying the DRE issues with the PS2? It never happened or it wasn't a big deal?

[QUOTE="kingtito"][QUOTE="Chutebox"] Are you serious? Every thing MS has done since e3 has been because of Sony...Chutebox

Listen dumb@ss, I didn't say anything about the failure rate of the 360 being acceptable. What I'm saying is at least MS did something about it. Doesn't matter if it was 6 months after original warranty ran out. They did something which is a hell of a lot more than what Soy ever did with ANY PS product.

So to get this straight, you're denying the DRE issues with the PS2? It never happened or it wasn't a big deal?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="kingtito"] Not because of Sony but because of the backlash from users. You think if the customers didn't complain MS would have reveresed anything if it was just Sony? So yeah I'm serious. kingtito