Busting a myth: xbox live is worth $50 edition

WOW is what, $14 a month for one online game? That's $168 a year to play ONE GAME. I think $50 a year is pretty reasonable seeing as how you can play any game you own that has live capability.Trashface

$15 a month, $180 a year. Makes $50 look like chump change.

You know what MS? Make online play free.

Charge for all your extra features like chatrooms, video chat, and **** like that. I never use it, so why am I paying for it?

Just make the online play free.

asdasd

You obvioulsy dont relize that stuff costs money.

[QUOTE="jethrovegas"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="jethrovegas"]

Where else will you be able to play Halo 3 online? The exclusives define the online service's value.

I think the price is quite reasonable when you consider the exclusive software the 360 has.

Ninja-Vox

The fact that it's Halo 3 online does not make xbox live worth paying for. My point was that there are multiplayer games of equal quality which can be paid online for free.

XBox live is not worth $50 a year. Simple as that.

Halo 3 will have the best MP ever in an FPS. And look at the exclusive DLC, and Live games like LP, and GeoW.

I think it all makes for a nice online package that is easily worth 50$.

If you don't want to play H3 and other 360 exclusives online, then don't buy Live.

Vote with your wallet.

Again; what am i paying for? You're honestly telling me that you pay $50 for the priviledge to play good games? Seriously?

No hackers, no type of viruses, you have the ability to play with whoever you want and literaly council whoever you want based on how you feel on that indiviuals performance (Rep), and so much more.

If they fix the lag problem, you have yourself the best service ever made.

But nothing is perfect, nothing.

[QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

Ninja-Vox

I didn't say i couldn't afford it. I said it wasn't worth it.

Well it depends on who you're asking doesn't it? I mean it's worth it to me because I get to play online with friends, free demos, voice chat and etc.

[QUOTE="0starter0"]If you can't afford less than $4 a month for online service you seriously need to get your economic situation in order.Ninja-Vox

Again, i didn't say i couldn't afford it. I said it wasn't worth it. If i started charging you a dollar a day to breath, would you happily go along with it because "hey! i can afford it!" Heck no. That's complete robbery.

Please tell me how $1 a day to breath = $4 a month for online?

$4 is NOT bad. I could work for an hour and get 2 months of online. Seriously.

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

SaintBlaze

WOW is what, $14 a month for one online game? That's $168 a year to play ONE GAME. I think $50 a year is pretty reasonable seeing as how you can play any game you own that has live capability.Trashface

The problem is other platforms(like the PC) offer a better core online experience and it's free. Yes it doesn't have all the bells and whistles seamless in the games but all the servers are dedicated and it's VERY rare to see lag once you get good servers. The only game that rarely lagged for me on xbox live was Halo 2. All the other game almost 50% of the time you'd get at least some kind of lag not to mention sometimes finding players/servers is really hard. I don't want you to automatically match me with someone else and waste 10 min of my life. JUST GIVE ME A GOD DAMN SERVER LIST!!!!!!! I don't want to stop playing a game and have to find a whole other server just because 1 or a few player quits.

[QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

anshul89

Believe it or not, but it DOES cost Microsoft to link the systems up.

No hackers, no type of viruses, you have the ability to play with whoever you want and literaly council whoever you want based on how you feel on that indiviuals performance (Rep), and so much more.

If they fix the lag problem, you have yourself the best service ever made.

But nothing is perfect, nothing.

Synthetic_NinJI

"And so much more..." is basically "i ran out of ideas pretty fast". Hackers are one thing, but modding and glitching is rampant on gears of war.

Basically, you're paying $50 a year to play games online. That is my complaint. There needs to to be more than that. It should be lag-free. It should have dedicated servers. It shouldn't have first and second-party games with horrible netcode and glitches.

THEN it's worth paying for.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

0starter0

Believe it or not, but it DOES cost Microsoft to link the systems up.

It cost them money to set up the system. They make money through ads. And sponsored downloads. And 6 million people paying $50 every year.

All i'm asking for is bang for my buck. I dont see the problem.

I agree with TC

But I'm still going to pay for it because $50 a year is nothing to me.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="0starter0"]If you can't afford less than $4 a month for online service you seriously need to get your economic situation in order.MrGrimFandango

Again, i didn't say i couldn't afford it. I said it wasn't worth it. If i started charging you a dollar a day to breath, would you happily go along with it because "hey! i can afford it!" Heck no. That's complete robbery.

THEN DONT PAY FOR IT, LET IT REST AND LET THE 4 MILLION OTHERS HAVE FUN PLAYING THERE PAY TO PLAY SERVICE.

Oh i'm sorry. I'm not allowed to make a thread on a forum about videogames questioning whether an online videogame service is worth the money?

I'm sorry. Really. :|

[QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

anshul89

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

SaintBlaze

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

I get the same on the PC for free and without ads, please explain...

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

SaintBlaze

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

you get downloadable content: That you end up having to pay extra for

as for all the other things.....your gonna have to do better then that.

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

SaintBlaze

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

No hackers, no type of viruses, you have the ability to play with whoever you want and literaly council whoever you want based on how you feel on that indiviuals performance (Rep), and so much more.

If they fix the lag problem, you have yourself the best service ever made.

But nothing is perfect, nothing.

Ninja-Vox

"And so much more..." is basically "i ran out of ideas pretty fast". Hackers are one thing, but modding and glitching is rampant on gears of war.

Basically, you're paying $50 a year to play games online. That is my complaint. There needs to to be more than that. It should be lag-free. It should have dedicated servers. It shouldn't have first and second-party games with horrible netcode and glitches.

THEN it's worth paying for.

I didnt run "out of ideas" I didnt think it was necessiery to type out every single little detail, no need to rude about it.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="0starter0"]If you can't afford less than $4 a month for online service you seriously need to get your economic situation in order.0starter0

Again, i didn't say i couldn't afford it. I said it wasn't worth it. If i started charging you a dollar a day to breath, would you happily go along with it because "hey! i can afford it!" Heck no. That's complete robbery.

Please tell me how $1 a day to breath = $4 a month for online?

$4 is NOT bad. I could work for an hour and get 2 months of online. Seriously.

It's easy to just break it down. Heck the fact that you avoid mentioning $50 a year and instead will only talk in dollars per hour goes to show that you KNOW it's too much.

It's not worth $50. Simple as that. I'm not saying that's a huge sum of money. Or that we cant afford such a rediculous payment, so please stop the pointless arguement right there.

The simple act of "ah i'll pay anyway it aint that much..." is obviously what microsoft were banking on.

[QUOTE="SaintBlaze"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

$50 a year isn't that bad. :|

cobrax25

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

you get downloadable content: That you end up having to pay extra for

as for all the other things.....your gonna have to do better then that.

Oh I never knew I was actually paying for those demos.:| Oh and I never said those reasons I listed were the reasons for anyone else to get xbox live. Those are the reasons I feel that make paying $50 a year worth it.

[QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

anshul89

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

I didnt run "out of ideas" I didnt think it was necessiery to type out every single little detail, no need to rude about it.

Synthetic_NinJI

How was i rude?

What is it with system wars these days and people getting all upset whenever a person disagrees with them? :?

EDIT: and you clearly DID run out of ideas as you mentioned "no hackers" when many games are rife with modders and glitchers. Then the next best thing you could come up with was Rep. Yeah, that's worth paying for. It's not like every single person has five stars unless they only just signed up and have the three you start with.

The guy who got banned for so many complaints of racism in Forza still had five stars.

[QUOTE="Trashface"]WOW is what, $14 a month for one online game? That's $168 a year to play ONE GAME. I think $50 a year is pretty reasonable seeing as how you can play any game you own that has live capability.Ninja-Vox

Some people pay $40 for bottles full of sea water which they spray on their faces as moisturiser. That doesn't suddenly put it all into perspective and make xbox live worth $50.

Again; i'm not complaining about just having to pay. I'm complaining about the service you get for that payment. You dont get what you pay for.

$40 water is not mainstream, WOW is. Try again.

[QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

anshul89

Who's talking about the PC? :|

Ofcourse the PC is far superior but xbox live is the best console online service. I'm more of a console gamer instead of a PC gamer.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"]WOW is what, $14 a month for one online game? That's $168 a year to play ONE GAME. I think $50 a year is pretty reasonable seeing as how you can play any game you own that has live capability.Trashface

Some people pay $40 for bottles full of sea water which they spray on their faces as moisturiser. That doesn't suddenly put it all into perspective and make xbox live worth $50.

Again; i'm not complaining about just having to pay. I'm complaining about the service you get for that payment. You dont get what you pay for.

$40 water is not mainstream, WOW is. Try again.

You completely missed my point.

I'm claiming that xbox live isn't worth the money. I asked what makes it worth it. Rather than give me any reasons, he simply pointed out that other people pay MORE money to play warcraft.

That doesn't suddenly make xbox live worth every penny. :|

And it doesn't matter whether it's mainstream or not, it was just an example. :? Paying too much for something doesn't suddenly become ok because other people are paying MORE.

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

Synthetic_NinJI

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

Why does it matter? Are the networking costs different because it's a console? The fact is if companies can afford to make games on the PC and have dedicated servers at THEIR own costs and still make money off the games I'm sure MS could at least support its community with dedicated servers since people are paying 50$ a year for the service. Paying 50$ a year and not having 100% stable networking is just wrong when game companies can afford to do it with no costs to the end users.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

I didnt run "out of ideas" I didnt think it was necessiery to type out every single little detail, no need to rude about it.

Ninja-Vox

How was i rude?

What is it with system wars these days and people getting all upset whenever a person disagrees with them? :?

EDIT: and you clearly DID run out of ideas as you mentioned "no hackers" when many games are rife with modders and glitchers. Then the next best thing you could come up with was Rep. Yeah, that's worth paying for. It's not like every single person has five stars unless they only just signed up and have the three you start with.

The guy who got banned for so many complaints of racism in Forza still had five stars.

Lol, you got it dude, simmer down there :lol: .

$50 a year is not expensive, even when compared to free, plus I still haven't seen PSN get demos and videos and other movies as fast as XBL...

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

tag_001

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

Why does it matter? Are the networking costs different because it's a console? The fact is if companies can afford to make games on the PC and have dedicated servers at THEIR own costs and still make money off the games I'm sure MS could at least support its community with dedicated servers since people are paying 50$ a year for the service. Paying 50$ a year and not having 100% stable networking is just wrong when games company can afford to do it with no costs to the end users.

It matters if you're not a PC gamer and if you're mostly a console gamer.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

tag_001

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

Why does it matter? Are the networking costs different because it's a console? The fact is if companies can afford to make games on the PC and have dedicated servers at THEIR own costs and still make money off the games I'm sure MS could at least support its community with dedicated servers since people are paying 50$ a year for the service. Paying 50$ a year and not having 100% stable networking is just wrong when games company can afford to do it with no costs to the end users.

thats not true....with PC gaming....companies will only have their servers running for half a year maybe....and then the community will start putting up their own servers for other people to play on.....

[QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

tag_001

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

Why does it matter? Are the networking costs different because it's a console? The fact is if companies can afford to make games on the PC and have dedicated servers at THEIR own costs and still make money off the games I'm sure MS could at least support its community with dedicated servers since people are paying 50$ a year for the service. Paying 50$ a year and not having 100% stable networking is just wrong when game companies can afford to do it with no costs to the end users.

Im not dissagreeing with you, it is a problem that needs to be resolved.

But I personnaly enjoy Xbox Live, and I have no problem paying for it.

Ots really not that bad.... Look at the individual price point for MMORPG PC games...Koolsen

[QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

Synthetic_NinJI

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

When did i say i lag at every game? In fact, did i not say 70% of games run perfectly? Did you even read the post or did you just charge in here all angry because somebody DARED say something you dont agree with?

[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]

[QUOTE="Trashface"]WOW is what, $14 a month for one online game? That's $168 a year to play ONE GAME. I think $50 a year is pretty reasonable seeing as how you can play any game you own that has live capability.Ninja-Vox

Some people pay $40 for bottles full of sea water which they spray on their faces as moisturiser. That doesn't suddenly put it all into perspective and make xbox live worth $50.

Again; i'm not complaining about just having to pay. I'm complaining about the service you get for that payment. You dont get what you pay for.

$40 water is not mainstream, WOW is. Try again.

You completely missed my point.

I'm claiming that xbox live isn't worth the money. I asked what makes it worth it. Rather than give me any reasons, he simply pointed out that other people pay MORE money to play warcraft.

That doesn't suddenly make xbox live worth every penny. :|

And it doesn't matter whether it's mainstream or not, it was just an example. :? Paying too much for something doesn't suddenly become ok because other people are paying MORE.

Because I have fun on it.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]

I didnt run "out of ideas" I didnt think it was necessiery to type out every single little detail, no need to rude about it.

Synthetic_NinJI

How was i rude?

What is it with system wars these days and people getting all upset whenever a person disagrees with them? :?

EDIT: and you clearly DID run out of ideas as you mentioned "no hackers" when many games are rife with modders and glitchers. Then the next best thing you could come up with was Rep. Yeah, that's worth paying for. It's not like every single person has five stars unless they only just signed up and have the three you start with.

The guy who got banned for so many complaints of racism in Forza still had five stars.

Lol, you got it dude, simmer down there :lol: .

:|

Simmer down?

Do you take anything against xbox live as a personal attack on your honor or something? :|

[QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

cobrax25

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

Why does it matter? Are the networking costs different because it's a console? The fact is if companies can afford to make games on the PC and have dedicated servers at THEIR own costs and still make money off the games I'm sure MS could at least support its community with dedicated servers since people are paying 50$ a year for the service. Paying 50$ a year and not having 100% stable networking is just wrong when games company can afford to do it with no costs to the end users.

thats not true....with PC gaming....companies will only have their servers running for half a year maybe....and then the community will start putting up their own servers for other people to play on.....

depending on the games, some old games are still supported by the devs only. I don't see why MS couldn't rent server names or encourage comapnies to start their own servers for visibility. Paying 50$ a year should give you dedicated servers when another system has them for free simple as that.

Omigosh! 5 dollars a month! Oh, the humanity!_borsdy

Again, if you actually READ the post i asked if it's worth it. Not whether it's affordable. :roll:

[QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

tag_001

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

Why does it matter? Are the networking costs different because it's a console? The fact is if companies can afford to make games on the PC and have dedicated servers at THEIR own costs and still make money off the games I'm sure MS could at least support its community with dedicated servers since people are paying 50$ a year for the service. Paying 50$ a year and not having 100% stable networking is just wrong when games company can afford to do it with no costs to the end users.

thats not true....with PC gaming....companies will only have their servers running for half a year maybe....and then the community will start putting up their own servers for other people to play on.....

depending on the games, some old games are still supported by the devs only. I don't see why MS couldn't rent server names or encourage comapnies to start their own servers for visibility. Paying 50$ a year should give you dedicated servers when another system has them for free simple as that.

older games yes.....but games like BF2, BF2142, CS, FEAR....and really every new PC game (especially FPS)

the servers are community run.

[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

Ninja-Vox

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

When did i say i lag at every game? In fact, did i not say 70% of games run perfectly? Did you even read the post or did you just charge in here all angry because somebody DARED say something you dont agree with?

You need to calm down because I agree with what you are saying, read the post above.

I read your post and I am saying that Xbox Live is good at, which is whooping $5 dollars a month, and I know the "lag" and dedicated server issue will get resolved one of these days, in that faith is why millions of people still pay $50 a year.

Because I have fun on it.

MrGrimFandango

What are you paying for? That's my question. Xbox live shouldn't cost money. It's as simple as that. They arent paying to run dedicated servers. You host games on your own connection. All microsoft have done is create software which allows you to connect to other players and do so. The $50 you're paying isn't actively keeping up servers, or going into improvements, or paying for an actual service you're receiving.

It's literally $50 to play games. Why? What do we pay for it on xbox live and get it for free everywhere else?

I've been argueing about this for a long time but Lems always come up with an argument "$4 a month!"

Ok then, assumingmy ps3 has a 5 year life span my ps3 is $8.3 a month. $4 a month argument fails because you are not paying it monthly, its an annual fee. You'll have to pay each year to enjoy online that should be free at the first place.

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]

For nothing? :|

I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.

Synthetic_NinJI

But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.

Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.

And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.

When did i say i lag at every game? In fact, did i not say 70% of games run perfectly? Did you even read the post or did you just charge in here all angry because somebody DARED say something you dont agree with?

You need to calm down because I agree with what you are saying, read the post above.

I read your post and I am saying that Xbox Live is good at, which is whooping $5 dollars a month, and I know the "lag" and dedicated server issue will get resolved one of these days, in that faith is why millions of people still pay $50 a year.

People pay for it because its fun and no other real reason.