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Im not dissagreeing with you, it is a problem that needs to be resolved.
But I personnaly enjoy Xbox Live, and I have no problem paying for it.
Synthetic_NinJI
Good thread. I think cows over exaggerate the $50 price. Don't get me wrong, I wish XBL was free, but I'm cool with paying the price for this fantastic online service.ganon546
Same here. The service costs the same as a single large starbucks coffee every month.
Two reasons why I'll pay $50 for Xbox Live:
A: I played WoW, so to me, a meager $4 a month is nothing.
B: It's less than the cost of a game, and it makes games like Gears and Halo 2 a lot more fun for a lot longer. If I didn't have Xbox Live, I'd be buying more games, which would cost more in the long run. Much more.
hachiman128
Summed up perfectly!
The PSN is a joke and PC gaming has nowhere near the overall quality in one program. The XBOX Live package is streamlined online perfection.
[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]I didnt run "out of ideas" I didnt think it was necessiery to type out every single little detail, no need to rude about it.
Ninja-Vox
How was i rude?
What is it with system wars these days and people getting all upset whenever a person disagrees with them? :?
EDIT: and you clearly DID run out of ideas as you mentioned "no hackers" when many games are rife with modders and glitchers. Then the next best thing you could come up with was Rep. Yeah, that's worth paying for. It's not like every single person has five stars unless they only just signed up and have the three you start with.
The guy who got banned for so many complaints of racism in Forza still had five stars.
Lol, you got it dude, simmer down there :lol: .
:|
Simmer down?
Do you take anything against xbox live as a personal attack on your honor or something? :|
Yes, simmer down because I am not as passionate about this subject as you are.
50 dollars is not a hole in my pocket, so im not on the same level as you are on this subject, sorry.
[QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="cobrax25"][QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="anshul89"][QUOTE="SaintBlaze"]For nothing? :|
I get downloadable content, get to play games online and get to communicate with my friends. That hardly seems like nothing to me. Why don't come back next time when you're not blinded by your fanboyish ideals.
cobrax25
But we're talking about consoles here, and last time I checked PC isnt a console.
Live compared to other console online service is better, that cant be denied.
And I dont lag at every game as much as the TC does, I actually run pretty smooth when I play Live.
Why does it matter? Are the networking costs different because it's a console? The fact is if companies can afford to make games on the PC and have dedicated servers at THEIR own costs and still make money off the games I'm sure MS could at least support its community with dedicated servers since people are paying 50$ a year for the service. Paying 50$ a year and not having 100% stable networking is just wrong when games company can afford to do it with no costs to the end users.
thats not true....with PC gaming....companies will only have their servers running for half a year maybe....and then the community will start putting up their own servers for other people to play on.....
depending on the games, some old games are still supported by the devs only. I don't see why MS couldn't rent server names or encourage comapnies to start their own servers for visibility. Paying 50$ a year should give you dedicated servers when another system has them for free simple as that.
older games yes.....but games like BF2, BF2142, CS, FEAR....and really every new PC game (especially FPS)
the servers are community run.
There are still alot of EA servers on games like BF2 / 24142. All I'm saying is that for 50$ a year MS should take better care of its community.
[QUOTE="ganon546"]Good thread. I think cows over exaggerate the $50 price. Don't get me wrong, I wish XBL was free, but I'm cool with paying the price for this fantastic online service.-Beowulf
Same here. The service costs the same as a single large starbucks coffee every month.
You guys are completly missing the point. Yes 50$ a year is nothing but seriously it should offer more. We(me included) are all paying this 50$ and yet we get nothing special in return from the gameplay persepctive. Hell I can't even play games without eperiencing some kind of lag at least 50% of the time or seeing the host having an advantage over everyone(in some games not all).
If they want to charge 50$ for the intergrated chat, friends list etc... fine but don't charge 50$ to play games online on a primitive system.
[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]Because I have fun on it.
Ninja-Vox
What are you paying for? That's my question. Xbox live shouldn't cost money. It's as simple as that. They arent paying to run dedicated servers. You host games on your own connection. All microsoft have done is create software which allows you to connect to other players and do so. The $50 you're paying isn't actively keeping up servers, or going into improvements, or paying for an actual service you're receiving.
It's literally $50 to play games. Why? What do we pay for it on xbox live and get it for free everywhere else?
Because its fun, why do people pay to play/watch sports? because its fun, why do people pay for WoW? because its fun. We pay for entertainment because its fun 99% of the time its usually not worth the price but at the same tiem its always worth it if you find it fun.
[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]Yes, simmer down because I am not as passionate about this subject as you are.
50 dollars is not a hole in my pocket, so im not on the same level as you are on this subject, sorry.
Ninja-Vox
Honestly, leave. You dont even know what the topic here is. You've done nothing but make pointless comments like "DUDE CALM DOWN LOL!"
And "woah simmer down!"
Seriously. Make a post which actually has even SOME relevance to the thread or just stop posting. :?
Yes, "dude calm down" as oppose to saying "you ran out of ideas" ( real mature :roll: ).
Anyway, I think 50 dollars a year is worth it, these faults will get fixed sooner or later, the service is proven only to get better over time.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]You need to calm down because I agree with what you are saying, read the post above.
I read your post and I am saying that Xbox Live is good at, which is whooping $5 dollars a month, and I know the "lag" and dedicated server issue will get resolved one of these days, in that faith is why millions of people still pay $50 a year.
Synthetic_NinJI
Stop telling me to calm down. You're a gaming forum son. Nobody's angry. :|
Honestly, the "LOL calm down man!!" thing has been used for years. It's a nice way of ignoring all the points someone makes and just making it looks like they're angry. Not to mention "hey dont be rude!" when nobody's said anything even remotely rude to you.
Basically i asked why people pay for xbox live. Even your "whooping $5 a month" comment shows that you still dont even know what the topic of conversation is.
You get three of these:
:| :| :|
I get exactly what the topic is about.
You are mad that you have to 50 dollars on a service that has issues (lag and such).
Im saying the service is good at doing other things, so it is well worth, no online service is perfect.
Other then that, the calm that somebody has "ran out of ideas" which is far away from the truth, is a rather rude, if not stupid remark if I do say so myself.
Claiming you ran out of ideas is rude? I'm ever so sorry. :|
Then why all the pointless, irrelevant comments of "LOL but it's only $50!" and "unlike you $50 isn't a hole in my pocket!" when at no point have i said it's expensive or unaffordable.
The whole point of the thread was simply; what are we paying for?
So are you admitting that your own posts have been pointless and irrelevant?
*oh and if it's so stupid; how come you've yet to post any more of "all the details" :roll:
That's what i thought.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]Because I have fun on it.
MrGrimFandango
What are you paying for? That's my question. Xbox live shouldn't cost money. It's as simple as that. They arent paying to run dedicated servers. You host games on your own connection. All microsoft have done is create software which allows you to connect to other players and do so. The $50 you're paying isn't actively keeping up servers, or going into improvements, or paying for an actual service you're receiving.
It's literally $50 to play games. Why? What do we pay for it on xbox live and get it for free everywhere else?
Because its fun, why do people pay to play/watch sports? because its fun, why do people pay for WoW? because its fun. We pay for entertainment because its fun 99% of the time its usually not worth the price but at the same tiem its always worth it if you find it fun.
No. Not at all. Because your analogy doesn't apply here. What if you could watch the very same game on another chanel for free. Why pay to have it on a pay per view channel when you cant find anything better than the free channel?
That's my point. WHAT are we paying for. Of course it's fun. If it weren't, nobody would pay for it.
what exactly does live give you extra for the money?bulletmath
Absolutely nothing, apparently.
Yes, "dude calm down" as oppose to saying "you ran out of ideas" ( real mature :roll: ).
Anyway, I think 50 dollars a year is worth it, these faults will get fixed sooner or later, the service is proven only to get over time.
Synthetic_NinJI
If you honestly think a person asking if you ran out of ideas (when you clearly had...) is a rude and personal insult, god forbid when you encounter a fanboy around here and they actually DO insult you.
Because its fun, why do people pay to play/watch sports? because its fun, why do people pay for WoW? because its fun. We pay for entertainment because its fun 99% of the time its usually not worth the price but at the same tiem its always worth it if you find it fun.
MrGrimFandango
[QUOTE="bulletmath"]what exactly does live give you extra for the money?MrGrimFandango
Absolutely nothing, apparently.
It doesn't give you $50 worth of awesome. No. Equal levels of awesome can be attained elsewhere, for free. So why do we pay money for the same amount of awesome?
Why?
It should be free, but it's not.
[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]Because I have fun on it.
Ninja-Vox
What are you paying for? That's my question. Xbox live shouldn't cost money. It's as simple as that. They arent paying to run dedicated servers. You host games on your own connection. All microsoft have done is create software which allows you to connect to other players and do so. The $50 you're paying isn't actively keeping up servers, or going into improvements, or paying for an actual service you're receiving.
It's literally $50 to play games. Why? What do we pay for it on xbox live and get it for free everywhere else?
Because its fun, why do people pay to play/watch sports? because its fun, why do people pay for WoW? because its fun. We pay for entertainment because its fun 99% of the time its usually not worth the price but at the same tiem its always worth it if you find it fun.
No. Not at all. Because your analogy doesn't apply here. What if you could watch the very same game on another chanel for free. Why pay to have it on a pay per view channel when you cant find anything better than the free channel?
That's my point. WHAT are we paying for. Of course it's fun. If it weren't, nobody would pay for it.
You pay for TV tho...
Its not worth it, its business why the hell would they care to make it free if 5 million people are willing to pay for it?
[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="bulletmath"]what exactly does live give you extra for the money?Ninja-Vox
Absolutely nothing, apparently.
It doesn't give you $50 worth of awesome. No. Equal levels of awesome can be attained elsewhere, for free. So why do we pay money for the same amount of awesome?
Why?
Because people rather use Live, this is a question you would have to ask each and every individual which is impossible.
There is a good reason, which is why the service is doing better then each and every other console.
And what is this "Equal" levels that you speak of.
You pay for TV tho...
Its not worth it, its business why the hell would they care to make it free if 5 million people are willing to pay for it?
MrGrimFandango
What are you talking about?
You said you pay because it's fun. I made an example whereby a game of whatever sport you like is on two channels, you can pay to watch it on one of watch if for free on the other. Why on earth would you PAY to watch if the exact same thing was available for free?
Same goes with xbox live.
it was a serious question
someone tell me what you get for your etra 50 dollars p/a and why it is worth the annual fee
Because people rather use Live, this is a question you would have to ask each and every individual which is impossible.
There is a good reason, which is why the service is doing better then each and every other console.
And what is this "Equal" levels that you speak of.
Synthetic_NinJI
No, i would not have to ask each and every individual. :|
I simply made a thread asking what we pay for. Why do we pay for xbox live when we can game online for free elsewhere? It was very simple.
Then you posted a bunch of irrelevant nonsense about how it's only $50 and that isn't a hole in your pocket, as if anyone said it was, amidst random "WOAH calm down man lol!111" posts when you couldn't respond to the points which had been made.
Honestly; here's the topic, impossible to miss:
"What does xbox live give you which is worth $50 a year over all the other stuff which is free?"
And yes, you can accuse me of being rude this time because you've posted so much in this thread and none of it has been even slightly relevant. If this is the only way to make you make a post which actually has some relevance to the topic, so be it.
[QUOTE="Trashface"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Trashface"]WOW is what, $14 a month for one online game? That's $168 a year to play ONE GAME. I think $50 a year is pretty reasonable seeing as how you can play any game you own that has live capability.Ninja-Vox
Some people pay $40 for bottles full of sea water which they spray on their faces as moisturiser. That doesn't suddenly put it all into perspective and make xbox live worth $50.
Again; i'm not complaining about just having to pay. I'm complaining about the service you get for that payment. You dont get what you pay for.
$40 water is not mainstream, WOW is. Try again.
You completely missed my point.
I'm claiming that xbox live isn't worth the money. I asked what makes it worth it. Rather than give me any reasons, he simply pointed out that other people pay MORE money to play warcraft.
That doesn't suddenly make xbox live worth every penny. :|
And it doesn't matter whether it's mainstream or not, it was just an example. :? Paying too much for something doesn't suddenly become ok because other people are paying MORE.
Mainstream pricing is very relevant. It sets the standard. If comparing it to other online prices doesn't matter, what are you basing your opinion on that it's not worth it?
it was a serious question
someone tell me what you get for your etra 50 dollars p/a and why it is worth the annual fee
bulletmath
Honestly; i've never had so many replies from people who just patently haven't bothered to read the topic. There have been at least a billion "but it's only $50!!!" posts, as if i've said we cant afford it. And then there's this guy saying "but more people use xbox live!" as if that even slightly answers the question.
:?
it was a serious question
someone tell me what you get for your etra 50 dollars p/a and why it is worth the annual fee
bulletmath
Its not...dont buy it, you can get better some where else.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]Because I have fun on it.
MrGrimFandango
What are you paying for? That's my question. Xbox live shouldn't cost money. It's as simple as that. They arent paying to run dedicated servers. You host games on your own connection. All microsoft have done is create software which allows you to connect to other players and do so. The $50 you're paying isn't actively keeping up servers, or going into improvements, or paying for an actual service you're receiving.
It's literally $50 to play games. Why? What do we pay for it on xbox live and get it for free everywhere else?
Because its fun, why do people pay to play/watch sports? because its fun, why do people pay for WoW? because its fun. We pay for entertainment because its fun 99% of the time its usually not worth the price but at the same tiem its always worth it if you find it fun.
All the things you listed have a pretty huge costs attached to them. The maintenance/server costs for WoW must be pretty big. Beleive or not having 1000s of people playing of the same server at the same time and having no lag actually costs money. Not 15$ a month per person but it must eat a pretty good part. Why are you even talking about sports? Players are usually paid ALOT plus they have to bluild/rent a venue + the staff etc... Now for xbox live they offer alot of features(chat, downloadable contente, demos etc...) but when you look on the PC side all these things are FREE plus you get a more stable online experience. Why is MS charging us for a online system that could easily be free or at a lower cost? I mean they charge/wanted to charge for Vista LIVE and yet it offers NOTHING over what other services offer for free.
Why do we pay for xbox live when we can game online for free elsewhere? It was very simple.Ninja-Vox
I can tell you why I do. I enjoy online gaming, and I don't have a ps3 or a gaming pc, so it's either pay $50 for xbox live, or not be able to play online. Even though the competition is better for the price, I chose to pay $50 for xbl because I can't very well play ps3 games online for free. Maybe if I had a ps3 I wouldn't pay the $50? given my set of circumstances, despite the competition, a year of xbl is at least $50 worth of fun.
Mainstream pricing is very relevant. It sets the standard. If comparing it to other online prices doesn't matter, what are you basing your opinion on that it's not worth it?
Trashface
We already have a standard. Nobody is debating the standard. It's ok to admit you got it wrong and just missed my point. It wasn't worded so great.
I dont get the "never admit defeat!!" attitude of people around here. Your post of "$40 water isn't mainstream!" was completely irrelevant and was obviously a result of just missing the point. Probably my bad.
My point WAS that just because some people pay MORE for something doesn't mean that paying less is suddenly worth it. Like i said earlier;
"Dude you're paying $1 for AIR? Why?"
"Dude it's fine; i know people who pay $5 for air..."
That doesn't make any sense. He's still being ripped off. And please dont reply with "oh but you dont pay $1 a day..." because it's just an example >_>
I dont think it's worth it because i play both xbox live, PSN and PC online games. Xbox live is probably the best. But it isn't $50 a year better. That was my thread. Debunking the myth that xbox live is worth $50. It isn't. It should be cheaper.
[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Why do we pay for xbox live when we can game online for free elsewhere? It was very simple.depresedmichfan
I can tell you why I do. I enjoy online gaming, and I don't have a ps3 or a gaming pc, so it's either pay $50 for xbox live, or not be able to play online. Even though the competition is better for the price, I chose to pay $50 for xbl because I can't very well play ps3 games online for free. Maybe if I had a ps3 I wouldn't pay the $50?
So you would agree with me then that it should be cheaper? You only pay $50 because you have to. Much like i do. :)
[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]Because people rather use Live, this is a question you would have to ask each and every individual which is impossible.
There is a good reason, which is why the service is doing better then each and every other console.
And what is this "Equal" levels that you speak of.
Ninja-Vox
No, i would not have to ask each and every individual. :|
I simply made a thread asking what we pay for. Why do we pay for xbox live when we can game online for free elsewhere? It was very simple.
Then you posted a bunch of irrelevant nonsense about how it's only $50 and that isn't a hole in your pocket, as if anyone said it was, amidst random "WOAH calm down man lol!111" posts when you couldn't respond to the points which had been made.
Honestly; here's the topic, impossible to miss:
"What does xbox live give you which is worth $50 a year over all the other stuff which is free?"
And yes, you can accuse me of being rude this time because you've posted so much in this thread and none of it has been even slightly relevant. If this is the only way to make you make a post which actually has some relevance to the topic, so be it.
Like you said, its better as far as consoles go, simple as that.
And yes you do, everybody has there own reason for going live.
You can vent and :| simile all day long, you are the only one looking immature here.
[QUOTE="bulletmath"]it was a serious question
someone tell me what you get for your etra 50 dollars p/a and why it is worth the annual fee
MrGrimFandango
Its not...dont buy it, you can get better some where else.
I wouldn't say better. xbox live is probably the best, though PC is definately up there. It's just not as unified.
[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]Because I have fun on it.
tag_001
What are you paying for? That's my question. Xbox live shouldn't cost money. It's as simple as that. They arent paying to run dedicated servers. You host games on your own connection. All microsoft have done is create software which allows you to connect to other players and do so. The $50 you're paying isn't actively keeping up servers, or going into improvements, or paying for an actual service you're receiving.
It's literally $50 to play games. Why? What do we pay for it on xbox live and get it for free everywhere else?
Because its fun, why do people pay to play/watch sports? because its fun, why do people pay for WoW? because its fun. We pay for entertainment because its fun 99% of the time its usually not worth the price but at the same tiem its always worth it if you find it fun.
All the things you listed have a pretty huge costs attached to them. The maintenance/server costs for WoW must be pretty big. Beleive or not having 1000s of people playing of the same server at the same time and having no lag actually costs money. Not 15$ a month per person but it must eat a pretty good part. Why are you even talking about sports? Players are usually paid ALOT plus they have to bluild/rent a venue + the staff etc... Now for xbox live they offer alot of features(chat, downloadable contente, demos etc...) but when you look on the PC side all these things are FREE plus you get a more stable online experience. Why is MS charging us for a online system that could easily be free or at a lower cost? I mean they charge/wanted to charge for Vista LIVE and yet it offers NOTHING over what other services offer for free.
You think MS doesnt have servers running the network? You have any idea how much bandwidth costs having a million-some people downloading stuff?
250 Xbox Live servers, 4 data centers, and 12 gigabytes/second of bandwidth in support of Xbox Live are all ready to go
What do you think that would cost? How about maintenance?
[QUOTE="depresedmichfan"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"]Why do we pay for xbox live when we can game online for free elsewhere? It was very simple.Ninja-Vox
I can tell you why I do. I enjoy online gaming, and I don't have a ps3 or a gaming pc, so it's either pay $50 for xbox live, or not be able to play online. Even though the competition is better for the price, I chose to pay $50 for xbl because I can't very well play ps3 games online for free. Maybe if I had a ps3 I wouldn't pay the $50?
So you would agree with me then that it should be cheaper? You only pay $50 because you have to. Much like i do. :)
Exactly. Except you have a ps3, so you don't really have to like I do.
You think MS doesnt have servers running the network? You have any idea how much bandwidth costs having a million-some people downloading stuff?
250 Xbox Live servers, 4 data centers, and 12 gigabytes/second of bandwidth in support of Xbox Live are all ready to go
What do you think that would cost? How about maintenance?
MrGrimFandango
Downloads are free though with xbox live silver. Literally all we pay for is to play games, which uses P2P which is of no cost to microsoft at all.
Hence my topic; what are we paying for?
[QUOTE="Trashface"]Mainstream pricing is very relevant. It sets the standard. If comparing it to other online prices doesn't matter, what are you basing your opinion on that it's not worth it?
Ninja-Vox
We already have a standard. Nobody is debating the standard. It's ok to admit you got it wrong and just missed my point. It wasn't worded so great.
I dont get the "never admit defeat!!" attitude of people around here. Your post of "$40 water isn't mainstream!" was completely irrelevant and was obviously a result of just missing the point. Probably my bad.
My point WAS that just because some people pay MORE for something doesn't mean that paying less is suddenly worth it. Like i said earlier;
"Dude you're paying $1 for AIR? Why?"
"Dude it's fine; i know people who pay $5 for air..."
That doesn't make any sense. He's still being ripped off. And please dont reply with "oh but you dont pay $1 a day..." because it's just an example >_>
I dont think it's worth it because i play both xbox live, PSN and PC online games. Xbox live is probably the best. But it isn't $50 a year better. That was my thread. Debunking the myth that xbox live is worth $50. It isn't. It should be cheaper.
how is it not 50$ better? 7.3 cents a day is too much for something you admit is better? it also includes a gold Gaming For Windows Live subscription (not that the service is really taking off yet - but still).
you really haven't debunked anything really - there's one saying that says you will never debunk it (if you believe it, and you can't say you don't because it's absolutely true) :
Question: What is something worth? Answer: Whatever people will pay for it.
i dunno what to tell you if you don't think that little parable rings true. because it is true. if themajority of 360 owners didn't think it was worth it they wouldn't be buying it :) but they are, and in record numbers. keep in mind i game on PS3/360/Wii/PC too - so i'm not just some dribbling fanboy.
[QUOTE="tag_001"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]Because I have fun on it.
MrGrimFandango
What are you paying for? That's my question. Xbox live shouldn't cost money. It's as simple as that. They arent paying to run dedicated servers. You host games on your own connection. All microsoft have done is create software which allows you to connect to other players and do so. The $50 you're paying isn't actively keeping up servers, or going into improvements, or paying for an actual service you're receiving.
It's literally $50 to play games. Why? What do we pay for it on xbox live and get it for free everywhere else?
Because its fun, why do people pay to play/watch sports? because its fun, why do people pay for WoW? because its fun. We pay for entertainment because its fun 99% of the time its usually not worth the price but at the same tiem its always worth it if you find it fun.
All the things you listed have a pretty huge costs attached to them. The maintenance/server costs for WoW must be pretty big. Beleive or not having 1000s of people playing of the same server at the same time and having no lag actually costs money. Not 15$ a month per person but it must eat a pretty good part. Why are you even talking about sports? Players are usually paid ALOT plus they have to bluild/rent a venue + the staff etc... Now for xbox live they offer alot of features(chat, downloadable contente, demos etc...) but when you look on the PC side all these things are FREE plus you get a more stable online experience. Why is MS charging us for a online system that could easily be free or at a lower cost? I mean they charge/wanted to charge for Vista LIVE and yet it offers NOTHING over what other services offer for free.
You think MS doesnt have servers running the network? You have any idea how much bandwidth costs having a million-some people downloading stuff?
250 Xbox Live servers, 4 data centers, and 12 gigabytes/second of bandwidth in support of Xbox Live are all ready to go
What do you think that would cost? How about maintenance?
Obviously not that much since alot of games/websites are able to offer the similar/same paying everything off advertising only. It's not like MS isn't selling advertising space too.
Like I said the bandwith, server/maintance costs for WOW must be at least 10X of what it cost MS to have servers for demos, accounts,friends lists and a bunch of very small features(costs wise) etc...
how is it not 50$ better? 7.3 cents a day is too much for something you admit is better? it also includes a gold Gaming For Windows Live subscription (not that the service is really taking off yet - but still).
you really haven't debunked anything really - there's one saying that says you will never debunk it (if you believe it, and you can't say you don't because it's absolutely true) :
Question: What is something worth? Answer: Whatever people will pay for it.
i dunno what to tell you if you don't think that little parable rings true. because it is true. if themajority of 360 owners didn't think it was worth it they wouldn't be buying it :) but they are, and in record numbers. keep in mind i game on PS3/360/Wii/PC too - so i'm not just some dribbling fanboy.
3picuri3
It is better. It isn't $50 a year better. Seriously, breaking it down to how many pennies an hour it is is just silly. It shows that you dont want to admit that it's $50 a year and would rather make it seem smaller.
Simply put, i play all three consoles and my PC. My 360 is the only thing i have to PAY for to use online. And frequently i find horrendous multiplayer games like gears, or the odd session of rainbow six where lag is so bad i literally cannot play any more and i have to stop and ask; what am i paying for? Why are there no dedicated servers if we're paying all this money every year? What exactly is microsoft giving me in return for my money, seeing as the game is hosted on my connection?
And like others have said, people pay for it because they have to. I do. The guy i was talking to just one page back does too. Because it's a price which isn't extortionate. You dont feel as if it's a criminal waste of money. But at the same time, i've wondered why i pay for it. And if that's not a big enough hint that you're not getting bang for your buck, i dont know what is.
Nice post, by the way.
Honest to god, i dont think you could miss the point more times than you already have. And i'm not flaming you - i'm honestly not - , i'm genuinely expressing frustration as i simply cannot talk to you.
"You said it's better!"
YES I KNOWI KNOW IT'S BETTER. I SAID THAT FROM THE START. I'VE SAID IT DOZENS OF TIMES! THAT DOESN'T MEAN IT'S WORTH $50 THOUGH. READ THE TOPIC BEFORE POSTING!
And no, i'm not angry. I'm posting in caps because i've said this to you at least ten times already yet you keep replying with the same thing.
I dont have to question every person on earth who has xbox live. That's rediculous. I made a thread asking people if it's worth paying for and what we're paying for. The opinions of people here will do just fine.
Honestly, if you think i look immature good for you. I honestly cant explain this any more times than i already have.
Ninja-Vox
keep in mind that a lot of people in this thread are equally frustrated with your stance. how can you say something that is better isn't worth 50$??? it's not even the full price of a game and it covers you for all online play for a year... 7 cents a day and you get unified buddy lists, voice chat, access to tons of other features that PSN doens't currently have. the fact that the PSN laundry list of upcoming changes are directly lifted from features on XBL speaks volumes. I know you're pulling the 'i said it was better' junk, but buddy.. if you keep doing that you're just shooting your argument in the foot.
besides all of that --- what about all of the online gaming? all of the insane fun I've had since launch with my 360 on over 50 different multiplayer games? how the hell is that not worth 7 cents a day?
maybe you're frustrated because you're realizing how flawed you myth debunk is.
[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]Because people rather use Live, this is a question you would have to ask each and every individual which is impossible.
There is a good reason, which is why the service is doing better then each and every other console.
And what is this "Equal" levels that you speak of.
Ninja-Vox
No, i would not have to ask each and every individual. :|
I simply made a thread asking what we pay for. Why do we pay for xbox live when we can game online for free elsewhere? It was very simple.
Then you posted a bunch of irrelevant nonsense about how it's only $50 and that isn't a hole in your pocket, as if anyone said it was, amidst random "WOAH calm down man lol!111" posts when you couldn't respond to the points which had been made.
Honestly; here's the topic, impossible to miss:
"What does xbox live give you which is worth $50 a year over all the other stuff which is free?"
And yes, you can accuse me of being rude this time because you've posted so much in this thread and none of it has been even slightly relevant. If this is the only way to make you make a post which actually has some relevance to the topic, so be it.
Like you said, its better as far as consoles go, simple as that.
And yes you do, everybody has there own reason for going live.
You can vent and :| simile all day long, you are the only one looking immature here.
Honest to god, i dont think you could miss the point more times than you already have. And i'm not flaming you, i'm genuinely expressing frustration as i simply cannot talk to you.
"You said it's better!"
YES I KNOW
I KNOW IT'S BETTER. I SAID THAT FROM THE START. THAT DOESN'T MEANT IT'S WORTH $50 THOUGH. READ THE TOPIC BEFORE POSTING!
And no, i'm not angry. I'm posting in caps because i've said this to you at least ten times already yet you keep replying with the same thing.
I dont have to question every person on earth who has xbox live. That's rediculous. I made a thread asking people if it's worth paying for and what we're paying for. The opinions of people here will do just fine.
Honestly, if you think i look immature good for you. I honestly cant explain this any more times than i already have.
[QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="Synthetic_NinJI"]Because people rather use Live, this is a question you would have to ask each and every individual which is impossible.
There is a good reason, which is why the service is doing better then each and every other console.
And what is this "Equal" levels that you speak of.
Ninja-Vox
No, i would not have to ask each and every individual. :|
I simply made a thread asking what we pay for. Why do we pay for xbox live when we can game online for free elsewhere? It was very simple.
Then you posted a bunch of irrelevant nonsense about how it's only $50 and that isn't a hole in your pocket, as if anyone said it was, amidst random "WOAH calm down man lol!111" posts when you couldn't respond to the points which had been made.
Honestly; here's the topic, impossible to miss:
"What does xbox live give you which is worth $50 a year over all the other stuff which is free?"
And yes, you can accuse me of being rude this time because you've posted so much in this thread and none of it has been even slightly relevant. If this is the only way to make you make a post which actually has some relevance to the topic, so be it.
Like you said, its better as far as consoles go, simple as that.
And yes you do, everybody has there own reason for going live.
You can vent and :| simile all day long, you are the only one looking immature here.
Honest to god, i dont think you could miss the point more times than you already have. And i'm not flaming you, i'm genuinely expressing frustration as i simply cannot talk to you.
"You said it's better!"
YES I KNOW
I KNOW IT'S BETTER. I SAID THAT FROM THE START. THAT DOESN'T MEANT IT'S WORTH $50 THOUGH. READ THE TOPIC BEFORE POSTING!
And no, i'm not angry. I'm posting in caps because i've said this to you at least ten times already yet you keep replying with the same thing.
I dont have to question every person on earth who has xbox live.Ok
That's rediculous. I made a thread asking people if it's worth paying for and what we're paying for. The opinions of people here will do just fine. So you asking everbody " as an individual" for there own opinion
Honestly, if you think i look immature good for you. I honestly cant explain this any more times than i already have.
Im not saying you have ask everybody in on planet earth, that is a question, as you said (or ment) for individuals that have Xbox Live, that can go from "I dont like gaming on PC" to "I just like Xbox Live" then again you are going to find different answers.
How bout, I know I have the ability to report and council anybody I want, play with anybody I want, and just the feeling controling my network of gaming that Live gives me, which is why I pay 50 dollars a year.
Or is that reason not "exact enough for you" :|
[QUOTE="MrGrimFandango"]You think MS doesnt have servers running the network? You have any idea how much bandwidth costs having a million-some people downloading stuff?
250 Xbox Live servers, 4 data centers, and 12 gigabytes/second of bandwidth in support of Xbox Live are all ready to go
What do you think that would cost? How about maintenance?
Ninja-Vox
Downloads are free though with xbox live silver. Literally all we pay for is to play games, which uses P2P which is of no cost to microsoft at all.
Hence my topic; what are we paying for?
When did they switch to p2p? I just tried googling it and couldnt find anything...
[QUOTE="Trashface"]Mainstream pricing is very relevant. It sets the standard. If comparing it to other online prices doesn't matter, what are you basing your opinion on that it's not worth it?
Ninja-Vox
We already have a standard. Nobody is debating the standard. It's ok to admit you got it wrong and just missed my point. It wasn't worded so great.
I dont get the "never admit defeat!!" attitude of people around here. Your post of "$40 water isn't mainstream!" was completely irrelevant and was obviously a result of just missing the point. Probably my bad.
My point WAS that just because some people pay MORE for something doesn't mean that paying less is suddenly worth it. Like i said earlier;
"Dude you're paying $1 for AIR? Why?"
"Dude it's fine; i know people who pay $5 for air..."
That doesn't make any sense. He's still being ripped off. And please dont reply with "oh but you dont pay $1 a day..." because it's just an example >_>
I dont think it's worth it because i play both xbox live, PSN and PC online games. Xbox live is probably the best. But it isn't $50 a year better. That was my thread. Debunking the myth that xbox live is worth $50. It isn't. It should be cheaper.
You're the one that brought the wrong/ right philosophy into it. All I did was ask what you based your opinion on. There has to be a comparison. In that way, the pricing of other services is relevant. So you're saying that competitor pricing is not a factor on whether another service is worth it? If so, YOU ARE WRONG.
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