Calling Killzone 2 a Failure Compared to Halo is Like...

...calling the Forza series a failure compared to Gran Turismo.

Both games are great. Gran Turismo and Halo are much more successful because they've both been here longer and have a much larger fan-base.

Forza and Killzone (especially Killzone since the first game was bad) have much smaller fan-bases and they will obviously sell less.

Both Halo and GT were revolutionary when they first started, but after that, they just seemed great, not amazing.

Killzone 2 is a great game that has raised the bar for the FPS genre. You can't deny that.

It had to raise the bar somewhat or it wouldn't have gotten a 9.0 here on GS. Simple as that.

Even though Halo and Gran Turismo are ahead in sales, both games are missing features that their less successful competitors have.

I would very much agree. Killzone 2 hasn't failed at much to be honest. Watch out, there's one particular poster who has an inability to type anything coherently is making his rounds, bashing Killzone 2.

KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....Rikusaki

Yeah, but didn't Forza 2 outsell GT5 Prologue? Might want to think up another comparison.Ibacai

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....AAllxxjjnn

Yeah, but didn't Forza 2 outsell GT5 Prologue? Might want to think up another comparison.Ibacai

Yeah, but didn't Forza 2 outsell GT5 Prologue? Might want to think up another comparison.Ibacai

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"] I will be surprised if absolutely no FPS games in the future will use online gameplay similar to the Warzone mode in Killzone 2 MP.Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Yeah, but didn't Forza 2 outsell GT5 Prologue? Might want to think up another comparison.Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] I'm sure they will, but how is that raising the bar? That's adding a new game type, not raising the bar.AAllxxjjnn

...calling the Forza series a failure compared to Gran Turismo.

Both games are great. Gran Turismo and Halo are much more successful because they've both been here longer and have a much larger fan-base.

Forza and Killzone (especially Killzone since the first game was bad) have much smaller fan-bases and they will obviously sell less.

Both Halo and GT were revolutionary when they first started, but after that, they just seemed great, not amazing.

Killzone 2 is a great game that has raised the bar for the FPS genre. You can't deny that.

Even though Halo and Gran Turismo are ahead in sales, both games are missing features that their less successful competitors have.

Rikusaki

I will not agree, for me Halo is a 10x more fun to play game, than the linear more of the same boredom in KZ2 and Gears 2

Besides graphics for console games, I can't think of any other "bar" rised by KZ2.

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....AAllxxjjnn

Graphics, Highly customizable multiplayer (modes, clans, class badges), Immersion (smart AI, non-floaty weapons, clever use of sixaxis).

Not groundbreaking but overall the game came out pretty awesome. Stop playing the sales card it's been done to death and have zero bearing on how good/bad a game is.

[QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"]KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....Rikusaki

you mean by ripping off team fortress ideals and adding in a new game type? okay....

Graphics, Highly customizable multiplayer (modes, clans, class badges), Immersion (smart AI, non-floaty weapons, clever use of sixaxis).

Not groundbreaking but overall the game came out pretty awesome. Stop playing the sales card it's been done to death and have zero bearing on how good/bad a game is.

Gxgear

1.graphics that just match gears of war 2.
2.modes done before, clans done before, ****s stolen from team fortress.
3.dumb AI the AI is dumb in this game as it all ways was, and the sixaxis use is not clever its forced every thing done with the sixaxis could be done easier and faster with the sticks or face buttons the sixaxis use was shoehorned into caused sony told them too.

Besides graphics...IronBass

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Yeah, but didn't Forza 2 outsell GT5 Prologue? Might want to think up another comparison.Rikusaki

It haven't raise any bar,stop the nonsenses please.McdonaIdsGuy

Hey, doesn't "raising the bar" mean that a game has to either:

1.) Implemented new ideas/techniques to its market. Promoting inspiration for other products.

2.) Totally innovate and revolutionize its market.

3.) Taking standard ideas, and evolving them into greater use than before.

If I'm not mistaken KZ2 does 2 of these.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Besides graphics...Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="IronBass"]Besides graphics...Episode_Eve

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You think Killzone 2 is the best looking FPS out there? Stevo_the_gamer

Halo Wars :P..haha just kidding...dont go off.

I am done with Killzone 2 and I regret buying it. I will say it is a good game though and I can see why some people love it.

Hey, doesn't "raising the bar" mean that a game has to either:

1.) Implemented new ideas/techniques to its market. Promoting inspiration for other products.

2.) Totally innovate and revolutionize its market.

3.) Taking standard ideas, and evolving them into greater use than before.

If I'm not mistaken KZ2 does 2 of these.

Episode_Eve

- Warzone mode
- Momentum-based game play and complex hit-detection. From weapons to player animations that litterally affect the outcome of firefights and the battle.
- The best clan integration in a game to date. It's "raised the bar" in that regard. Identical to an in-game Gamebattles.net.
- The evolution of 1st person cover from traditional lean and peak. Much more effective and not tacked-on in comparison.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]You think Killzone 2 is the best looking FPS out there? Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"][QUOTE="AAllxxjjnn"] I will be surprised if absolutely no FPS games in the future will use online gameplay similar to the Warzone mode in Killzone 2 MP.WilliamRLBaker

you mean by ripping off team fortress ideals and adding in a new game type? okay....

Graphics, Highly customizable multiplayer (modes, clans, class badges), Immersion (smart AI, non-floaty weapons, clever use of sixaxis).

Not groundbreaking but overall the game came out pretty awesome. Stop playing the sales card it's been done to death and have zero bearing on how good/bad a game is.

Gxgear

1.graphics that just match gears of war 2.
2.modes done before, clans done before, ***** stolen from team fortress.
3.dumb AI the AI is dumb in this game as it all ways was, and the sixaxis use is not clever its forced every thing done with the sixaxis could be done easier and faster with the sticks or face buttons the sixaxis use was shoehorned into caused sony told them too.

1. Your opinion over mine.

2. Not going to expect someone who hasn't played Killzone 2 to know about warzone. Are there other console fps with built in clan options and matches? Claiming the ***** were stolen from TF again just shows how little you know about Killzone 2, they play so differently that names are the only things that they have in common. And I wasn't even talking about that but the badges.

3. You're obviously set out here to bash a game, and this pretty much seals it. The AI in here is more polished than most FPS, and instead of appreciating the effort made by GG to implement sixaxis to make the actiion more seamless you decided that you have a beef with it too. I guess you're just the type of gamer that prefers mind numbing quick time events and let the game play itself.

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Besides graphics...Stevo_the_gamer

Best looking console FPS, one of the best looking FPS overall.

KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="IronBass"]I think a lot of you are confusing what you liked from the game and rising the bars . Rising the bars of a genre is when every (or most devs) accept a certain element as the goal to beat. Yeah, KZ2 has a lot of great improvements, but you really think all FPS devs will look at it that way?Episode_Eve

And in that regard graphics are the only think we hear ;)

[QUOTE="IronBass"]Besides graphics...Stevo_the_gamer

Look, I'm just trying to have a conversation with you. That indifferent face doesn't add anything to your post and is overused. Regarding genres and platforms, it's safe to say that are different standards. That's the whole point I'm making. Graphics being on the forefront and exclusive. In the end, KZ2 doesn't have the best graphics in the genre obviously. But it definitely raises the bar to a degree. That's including PC shooters as well.Episode_Eve

Yeah, but didn't Forza 2 outsell GT5 Prologue? Might want to think up another comparison.Ibacai

I think killzone2 has raised the bar, but not significantly (outside of console graphics). Anyway, Killzone 2 should be compared to Rainbow 6 (because it is more tactical and slow paced)

one of the best looking FPS overall.Gxgear

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="IronBass"]I think a lot of you are confusing what you liked from the game and rising the bars . Rising the bars of a genre is when every (or most devs) accept a certain element as the goal to beat. Yeah, KZ2 has a lot of great improvements, but you really think all FPS devs will look at it that way?IronBass

[QUOTE="Gxgear"]one of the best looking FPS overall.Stevo_the_gamer

Yeah, but didn't Forza 2 outsell GT5 Prologue? Might want to think up another comparison.Ibacai

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] I think a lot of developers look at KZ2 as an accomplished mark to reach. Hell, even MS said they have games that look better than KZ2 in development. Improvements are improvements no matter how you look at it. Future games don't have to implement every feature of KZ2. If a game is used as a rule of thumb to any extent, and considered a market standard (among others), c|assifying it as "raising the bar" can go hand in hand.Episode_Eve

I think all of them are very cool elements, but hardly have they raised the bar on anything.

KZ2 has not raised the bar for the FPS genre....AAllxxjjnn

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Look, I'm just trying to have a conversation with you. That indifferent face doesn't add anything to your post and is overused. Regarding genres and platforms, it's safe to say that are different standards. That's the whole point I'm making. Graphics being on the forefront and exclusive. In the end, KZ2 doesn't have the best graphics in the genre obviously. But it definitely raises the bar to a degree. That's including PC shooters as well.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"][QUOTE="IronBass"] And in that regard graphics is the only think we hear ;)IronBass

I think all of them are very cool elements, but hardly have they raised the bar on anything.