Calling Killzone 2 a Failure Compared to Halo is Like...

Killzone 2 is not a failure. And stop comparing it with Halo plz. There's no need for it.killerfist

[QUOTE="killerfist"]Killzone 2 is not a failure. And stop comparing it with Halo plz. There's no need for it.Led_poison

Well, we'll just have to disagree on that. I don't think I'm alone on this. Including the community and industry.Episode_Eve

What are you talking about? Did you even read what I said? I'm saying that KZ2 doesn't have the best graphics in the genre. Which spans across various platforms; one having continuously evolving standards. But consoles have their own standards.That's pretty much a fact. In terms of raising the bar outside of graphics, I think KZ2 has done so. I won't rehash my argument here.

Episode_Eve

[QUOTE="Led_poison"][QUOTE="killerfist"]Killzone 2 is not a failure. And stop comparing it with Halo plz. There's no need for it.killerfist

KZ2 did not set the bar. I'm sorry it didn't. No.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]What are you talking about? Did you even read what I said? I'm saying that KZ2 doesn't have the best graphics in the genre. Which spans across various platforms; one having continuously evolving standards. But consoles have their own standards.That's pretty much a fact. In terms of raising the bar outside of graphics, I think KZ2 has done so. I won't rehash my argument here.

Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Well, we'll just have to disagree on that. I don't think I'm alone on this. Including the community and industry.IronBass

I never said that there was a "set" standard. It's just that consoles and PC have a "separate standards". For obvious reasons, and I'm referring to graphics. Don't ask me "what the hell am I talking about". Ask yourself, "why the hell don't I read". And the face palm pic: literally the worse use of it I've seen for quite some time.Episode_Eve

Worst use? You "believe" that Killzone 2 -- in regards to graphics -- raised the bar for PC FPS. That entirely deserves a facepalm.

There isn't one singular approach to raising the bar in gaming. Those are but a few ways you can raise the bar. I think there are various interpretations and/or degrees of effect: 1.) Implemented new ideas/techniques to its market. Promoting inspiration for other products. 2.) Totally innovate and revolutionize its market. 3.) Taking standard ideas, and evolving them into greater use than before.Episode_Eve

There are not "various interpretations". Implementing new ideas does not equal rising the bar.

I've never heard anyone (dev or anything) saying that Gears Active Reload system is a standard to beat. If Gears set any standard was the first Gears' graphics, an standard beated years ago.

If Halo 2 raised the bar of anything it was more because of the sum of its parts, all of those elements that made it the FPS to beat, everything that made the game the standard for quality FPS.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]I never said that there was a "set" standard. It's just that consoles and PC have a "separate standards". For obvious reasons, and I'm referring to graphics. Don't ask me "what the hell am I talking about". Ask yourself, "why the hell don't I read". And the face palm pic: literally the worse use of it I've seen for quite some time.Stevo_the_gamer

Worst use? You "believe" that Killzone 2 -- in regards to graphics -- raised the bar for PC FPS. That entirely deserves a facepalm.

KZ2 did not set the bar. I'm sorry it didn't. No.

CreepyBacon

Killzone 2 didn't raise jack **** :| Juggernaut140

If Halo 2 raised the bar of anything it was more because of the sum of its parts, all of those elements that made it the FPS to beat, everything that made the game the standard for quality FPS.IronBass

It wouldn't have gotten a 9.0 here if it didn't. Standards change with time. Every game that gets scores like this raised the bar somewhat.Rikusaki

In that we disagree.

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"] There isn't one singular approach to raising the bar in gaming. Those are but a few ways you can raise the bar. I think there are various interpretations and/or degrees of effect: 1.) Implemented new ideas/techniques to its market. Promoting inspiration for other products. 2.) Totally innovate and revolutionize its market. 3.) Taking standard ideas, and evolving them into greater use than before.IronBass

There are not "various interpretations". Implementing new ideas does not equal rising the bar.

I've never heard anyone (dev or anything) saying that Gears Active Reload system is a standard to beat. If Gears set any standard was the first Gears' graphics, an standard beated years ago.

If Halo 2 raised the bar of anything it was more because of the sum of its parts, all of those elements that made it the FPS to beat, everything that made the game the standard for quality FPS.

Halo wasn't innovative or revolutionary, but it definitely raised the bar for the FPS genre in a great way. The game's popularity has led to labels such as "Halo clone" and "Halo killer", applied respectively to games either similar to or anticipated to be better than it. Rikusaki

Do you not agree that the sum of KZ2's parts raises the bar to any degree? Or even improves upon some standards of the genre? Or implements new ideas to potentially inspire future games? I think KZ2 does all of these.Episode_Eve

On another note: I don't see how COD4 set standards per say. But it definitely raised the bar.Episode_Eve

On another note: I don't see how COD4 set standards per say. But it definitely raised the bar.Episode_Eve

On another note: I don't see how COD4 set standards per say. But it definitely raised the bar.Episode_Eve

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]Do you not agree that the sum of KZ2's parts raises the bar to any degree? Or even improves upon some standards of the genre? Or implements new ideas to potentially inspire future games? I think KZ2 does all of these.IronBass

You guys just have to realize that games are constantly evolving.

It may not seem like Killzone 2 raised the bar, but it gave environments soul and emotion like no other FPS has done before it.

• Volumetric effects used in every bullet to give them a powerful feel.
• Environments full of life and motion.
• Seamless mix of ragdoll physics and scripted animation to make every bullet have a rewarding impact on the enemy.
• Warzone mode where up to six different modes are being cycled through within one round, forcing the player to be constantly changing gears.

Future FPS game will have to meet these new standards to keep up with the evolutionary process.

You guys just have to realize that games are constantly evolving.

It may not seem like Killzone 2 raised the bar, but it gave environments soul and emotion like no other FPS has done before it.

• Volumetric effects used in every bullet to give them a powerful feel.
• Environments full of life and motion.
• Seamless mix of ragdoll physics and scripted animation to make every bullet have a rewarding impact on the enemy.
• Warzone mode where up to six different modes are being cycled through within one round, forcing the player to be constantly changing gears.

Future FPS game will have to meet these new standards to keep up with the evolutionary process.

Rikusaki

Those are the thing you found interesting.

What makes you think every dev will agree?

Future FPS game will have to meet these new standards to keep up with the evolutionary process.Rikusaki

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]On another note: I don't see how COD4 set standards per say. But it definitely raised the bar.Stevo_the_gamer

That's my entire point. You do not read what people (in this case me) say. If noticed. If you misinterpreted what I said, I give you the benefit of the doubt. Though I believe I explained it in a simple dialogue. Re-read though my posts and show me where I said "KZ2 raises the bar for PC graphics".Episode_Eve

I misinterpreted this you say -- perhaps you should have chosen your words more carefully?

"Graphics being on the forefront and exclusive. In the end, KZ2 doesn't have the best graphics in the genre obviously. But it definitely raises the bar to a degree. That's including PC shooters as well."

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Future FPS game will have to meet these new standards to keep up with the evolutionary process.killerfist

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"]

You guys just have to realize that games are constantly evolving.

It may not seem like Killzone 2 raised the bar, but it gave environments soul and emotion like no other FPS has done before it.

• Volumetric effects used in every bullet to give them a powerful feel.
• Environments full of life and motion.
• Seamless mix of ragdoll physics and scripted animation to make every bullet have a rewarding impact on the enemy.
• Warzone mode where up to six different modes are being cycled through within one round, forcing the player to be constantly changing gears.

Future FPS game will have to meet these new standards to keep up with the evolutionary process.

IronBass

Those are the thing you found interesting.

What makes you think every dev will agree?

[QUOTE="killerfist"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"]Future FPS game will have to meet these new standards to keep up with the evolutionary process.Episode_Eve

[QUOTE="Episode_Eve"]That's my entire point. You do not read what people (in this case me) say. If noticed. If you misinterpreted what I said, I give you the benefit of the doubt. Though I believe I explained it in a simple dialogue. Re-read though my posts and show me where I said "KZ2 raises the bar for PC graphics".Stevo_the_gamer

I misinterpreted this you say -- perhaps you should have chosen your words more carefully?

"Graphics being on the forefront and exclusive. In the end, KZ2 doesn't have the best graphics in the genre obviously. But it definitely raises the bar to a degree. That's including PC shooters as well."

Developers will eventually use most of these in future games (in some shape or form). It doesn't have to be exactly like the way Guerilla did it. I just don't see it not happening.Rikusaki

My words were chosen very carefully, maybe I should have separated the second sentence as an additional paragraph and thought. When I said: "KZ2 doesn't have the best graphics in the genre", it entirely negates graphics discussion further in my argument. Maybe I should have added game 'design' and 'implementation' for you.Episode_Eve

And... you think Killzone 2 "raised the bar" (including PC shooters?) in regards to design and implementation? :?

[QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Developers will eventually use most of these in future games (in some shape or form). It doesn't have to be exactly like the way Guerilla did it. I just don't see it not happening.IronBass

I think a game can raise the bar in multiple ways. Of course setting a standard automatically qualifies. But also improvements on existing standards and implementing new ideas (which KZ2 does) raises the bar. Even if we don't see it in every game in the future.

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Developers will eventually use most of these in future games (in some shape or form). It doesn't have to be exactly like the way Guerilla did it. I just don't see it not happening.Rikusaki

[QUOTE="IronBass"][QUOTE="Rikusaki"] Developers will eventually use most of these in future games (in some shape or form). It doesn't have to be exactly like the way Guerilla did it. I just don't see it not happening.Rikusaki

I think a game in raise the bar in multiple ways. Of course setting a standard automatically qualifies. But also improvements on existing standards and implementing new ideas (which KZ2 does) raises the bar. Even if we don't see it in every game in the future.TREAL_Since