Can anyone explain to me why people never include MLB: The Show in AAAE lists?

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[QUOTE="DontBeHatin1983"]So Wii has almost no Excusives at all since you can play all the mario etc... games on the DS

Stevo_the_gamer

What in the world are you talking about? :?

I wish I knew...

It's not like they are the same games. Same franchise, but not same games.

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#52 SilverChimera
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What makes me laugh is that cows say this should be exclusive because it's only on "Playstation" but that PC/360 = multiplat. You can't win at everything cows. :roll:
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#53 djsifer01
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Because you can play a dumbed down version on the PSP and PS2. IMO there is such a graphical difference PS2 and PSP should be excluded and it should count as a PS3 exclusive.
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What makes me laugh is that cows say this should be exclusive because it's only on "Playstation" but that PC/360 = multiplat. You can't win at everything cows. :roll:SilverChimera
That makes no sense. PC/360 is completely different, MS dose not own or manufacture PC's. When a game is only on one company's systems that is the very definition of exclusivity.
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[QUOTE="themyth01"] What list has the game been omitted from? is there some official AAA list for SW or something? OreoMilkshake

Yup

That spreadsheet is actually pretty out of date right now, i dont think they're updating any more.
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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"]What makes me laugh is that cows say this should be exclusive because it's only on "Playstation" but that PC/360 = multiplat. You can't win at everything cows. :roll:djsifer01
That makes no sense. PC/360 is completely different, MS dose not own or manufacture PC's. When a game is only on one company's systems that is the very definition of exclusivity.

Not for SW purposes. I'm pretty sure that it was decided that exclusivity = only on one system. 1, Not 2, Not 3, not anything more than 1. It doesn't matter who makes it. As long as I can legally play the game on more than 1 system, it's not exclusive.
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#57 mitu123
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Because people never explained the differences in gameplay, controls, content, etc. That's lazy IMO. I listed differences when it came to GRAW, people should do the same with this game.

And if you count graphics and tech, that makes Dead Rising exclusive to 360 because it uses a different engine from the Wii version, the Wii version used the RE4 engine because it couldn't handle having all those zombies while looking like the 360 version.

And look no further than this epic thread!

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#58 zbdyx
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Are the versions that different? I'm just curious, because if the games are really different(GRAW 1) wouldn't it be exclusive.
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#59 shinrabanshou
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]

I hear it...that sound...

It's the sound of Pandora's Box re-opening...

:o

HarlockJC

And you should close it with your mod powas! :P

We have to let people speak their mind..Even if it does not really change anything ;)

The term exclusive has to be a non-changing rule overwise there is just to much chaos on this board.

If it's on another system then the game is not excluive.

To give an example of this rule. Sin and Punchment is on the N64 in Japan the only system it's on in the US is the Wii. Because the game is on another system even if it's not playable here it's not exclusive.

FYI:This is not a mod rule or Gamestop rule.

Just out of curiosity does that apply to Tales of Vesperia, even if it never releases on the PS3 in PAL or NA regions?

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#60 mitu123
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TC there are plenty of good arguements to consider MLB exclusive you just missed them all and picked the worst possible arguement negating any chance at debating the game's exclusivity cause now everything will always fall back to "there are no company exlcusives in SW" which I agree with.

Valid arguements would be.

Gametrailers called it exclusive. And has the PS2 and PSP versions in the section of what systems it's on.

Gamespot didn't review the PSP or PS2 versions. If they were the same why did just slap the score on? You really think Gamespot reviews every game this gen, heck, there's a ton of already released games they didn't review. Rune Factory Frontier on the Wii for example.

Metacritic has the PS3 version at AAA and the PS2 version isn't even AA if I recall correctly. Bayonetta is AAA for 360 and AA for PS3 on metacritic.

Diferent Game Engine which imho means diferent game when talking about a sports title. That makes Dead Rising exclusive for 360 since it uses a current gen engine while the Wii version uses a last gen(RE4) engine.

Example, most ppl would consider Madden 10 exclusive if it were only on 1 platform, however I'm sure you could argue the diference between Madden 09 and Madden 10 on the HD twins is probably smaller the MLB PS3 vs PS2.

Either way I don't care, I think it should count for the simple fact that if it was the other way around lems would get it as an exclusive, they even get "placeholders" lol. I'm not that hardheaded tho, I understand it isn't that clear cut, and making it exclusive would open discussions on exclusivity between last gen and current gen sports titles. I don't care either way.

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I don't mind it being exclusive, but you have to talk about gameplay, control and content between the versions.

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#61 Odrec
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I don't get t either. If a game like GRAW is considered AAAE then this should be as well. The thread where this was decided actually had a poll which voted heavily in favor of it being cnsidered AAAE but a couple of guys decided it wasn't valid.
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#62 moose_knuckler
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I played the series on my PS2, until I bought a PS3, therefore it's not an AAAE
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#63 KristoffBrujah
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It's exclusive. Anyone claiming that it's not exclusive just because it's on a last-gen console and a portable is being dishonest.

And I have no dog in this system war.

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It's exclusive. Anyone claiming that it's not exclusive just because it's on a last-gen console and a portable is being dishonest.

And I have no dog in this system war.

KristoffBrujah

You saying it's exclusive, when it is not on System Wars is being dishonest.

It was debated and decided.

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I don't get t either. If a game like GRAW is considered AAAE then this should be as well. The thread where this was decided actually had a poll which voted heavily in favor of it being cnsidered AAAE but a couple of guys decided it wasn't valid.Odrec
Actually, it didn't vote "heavily" in its favor. The problem with a poll deciding something like this is that those who voted in the poll for it not counting weren't giving any valid reasons why it should be considered exclusive.
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[QUOTE="djsifer01"][QUOTE="SilverChimera"]What makes me laugh is that cows say this should be exclusive because it's only on "Playstation" but that PC/360 = multiplat. You can't win at everything cows. :roll:SilverChimera
That makes no sense. PC/360 is completely different, MS dose not own or manufacture PC's. When a game is only on one company's systems that is the very definition of exclusivity.

Not for SW purposes. I'm pretty sure that it was decided that exclusivity = only on one system. 1, Not 2, Not 3, not anything more than 1. It doesn't matter who makes it. As long as I can legally play the game on more than 1 system, it's not exclusive.

I disagree, to each there own. I never will understand how its not considered exclusive.
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#67 KristoffBrujah
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[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

It's exclusive. Anyone claiming that it's not exclusive just because it's on a last-gen console and a portable is being dishonest.

And I have no dog in this system war.

lundy86_4

You saying it's exclusive, when it is not on System Wars is being dishonest.

It was debated and decided.

I don't care who decided it, I make my own definitions based on rationality and logic. Anyone contrary to logic and rationality = dishonest. Some stripped-down port to last gen hardware or portable is not fundamentally the same game. Not the same game = not multiplat.

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[QUOTE="SilverChimera"][QUOTE="djsifer01"]That makes no sense. PC/360 is completely different, MS dose not own or manufacture PC's. When a game is only on one company's systems that is the very definition of exclusivity.djsifer01
Not for SW purposes. I'm pretty sure that it was decided that exclusivity = only on one system. 1, Not 2, Not 3, not anything more than 1. It doesn't matter who makes it. As long as I can legally play the game on more than 1 system, it's not exclusive.

I never will understand how its not considered exclusive.

People never gave enough reasons or didn't even play the PS2 version for that matter.

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#69 Odrec
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[QUOTE="Odrec"]I don't get t either. If a game like GRAW is considered AAAE then this should be as well. The thread where this was decided actually had a poll which voted heavily in favor of it being cnsidered AAAE but a couple of guys decided it wasn't valid.Stevo_the_gamer
Actually, it didn't vote "heavily" in its favor. The problem with a poll deciding something like this is that those who voted in the poll for it not counting weren't giving any valid reasons why it should be considered exclusive.

Therefore the game being exclusive is decided by one or two people which is pretty subjective.
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

It's exclusive. Anyone claiming that it's not exclusive just because it's on a last-gen console and a portable is being dishonest.

And I have no dog in this system war.

KristoffBrujah

You saying it's exclusive, when it is not on System Wars is being dishonest.

It was debated and decided.

I don't care who decided it, I make my own definitions based on rationality and logic. Anyone contrary to logic and rationality = dishonest. Some stripped-down port to last gen hardware or portable is not fundamentally the same game. Not the same game = not multiplat.

Fair enough, but you are in System Wars, where there is a strict definition that is adhered to. You saying it is exclusive in here, is not correct. So you are wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it.

If you wish to call it an exclusive outside of System Wars, that is your prerogative, and not for me to define.

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[QUOTE="Odrec"] Therefore the game being exclusive is decided by one or two people which is pretty subjective.

It was not decided by two people. Not sure what would make you think that.
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#72 Odrec
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That makes Dead Rising exclusive for 360 since it uses a current gen engine while the Wii version uses a last gen(RE4) engine.mitu123
Dead Rising was considered exclusive before MLB came along. Lemmings used it as a placeholder. If it weren't for MLB Dead Rising would probably still be there. This is how things are decided pretty much.
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#73 Odrec
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[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"][QUOTE="Odrec"] Therefore the game being exclusive is decided by one or two people which is pretty subjective.

It was not decided by two people. Not sure what would make you think that.

The guys who keep the spreadsheet ultimately decide. In the thread there was a lot of people in favor and against there was no official comission or decision made by voting. It was decided by the two people who keep the spreadsheet updated.
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]That makes Dead Rising exclusive for 360 since it uses a current gen engine while the Wii version uses a last gen(RE4) engine.Odrec
Dead Rising was considered exclusive before MLB came along. Lemmings used it as a placeholder. If it weren't for MLB Dead Rising would probably still be there. This is how things are decided pretty much.

This is the number one reason why MLB should be exclusive, if it was the other way around Dead Rising and MLB would both be on the 360's list. 100% sure of that.
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The guys who keep the spreadsheet ultimately decide. In the thread there was a lot of people in favor and against there was no official comission or decision made by voting. It was decided by the two people who keep the spreadsheet updated.Odrec
And they make the decision based on the general consensus--the guys who run it are very respectable posters, especially AgentFred. The people in favor of exclusivity had arguments which lacked merit, read through the thread in the link that mitu provided. Every argument for was debunked. I posted in that thread through the end, I would know. You weren't even a member then. :|
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[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="mitu123"]That makes Dead Rising exclusive for 360 since it uses a current gen engine while the Wii version uses a last gen(RE4) engine.Eddie-Vedder
Dead Rising was considered exclusive before MLB came along. Lemmings used it as a placeholder. If it weren't for MLB Dead Rising would probably still be there. This is how things are decided pretty much.

This is the number one reason why MLB should be exclusive, if it was the other way around Dead Rising and MLB would both be on the 360's list. 100% sure of that.

can a baseball game be REALLY THAT DIFFERENT...theres huges differences between Dead Rising on the wii and 360, wouldnt it make GTA4 exclusive because it has more features...and than wouldnt most PC games be exculsive because they have the added feature of mods
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actually posting a list of differences would be a good start.

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As far as I know the games are identical except for graphics. Graphics is the least important factor when determining difference.
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Because you can play a dumbed down version on the PSP and PS2. IMO there is such a graphical difference PS2 and PSP should be excluded and it should count as a PS3 exclusive.djsifer01

Mass Effect 2's PC looks better then UC2 so it should be exclusive :roll:

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#80 mitu123
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actually posting a list of differences would be a good start.

CaseyWegner

That's what I've asked all along and they seem to not do it.

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#81 Odrec
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[QUOTE="Odrec"]The guys who keep the spreadsheet ultimately decide. In the thread there was a lot of people in favor and against there was no official comission or decision made by voting. It was decided by the two people who keep the spreadsheet updated.Stevo_the_gamer
And they make the decision based on the general consensus--the guys who run it are very respectable posters, especially AgentFred. The people in favor of exclusivity had arguments which lacked merit, read through the thread in the link that mitu provided. Every argument for was debunked. I posted in that thread through the end, I would know. You weren't even a member then. :|

Like there was a discussed consensus for Dead Rising right? :roll: I read the thread and the posters who defended the exclusivity had good reasons. There was no consensus, there was always people in favor and against but a few posters decided against.
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#82 Silverbond
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It's exclusive. Anyone claiming that it's not exclusive just because it's on a last-gen console and a portable is being dishonest.

KristoffBrujah

Anyone cllaiming a game is exclusive when it's on more than one platform is dishonest.

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#83 coltsfan4ever
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Just wondering. I don't see any reasonable logic that would make it not count just because it's a sports game. But then again, reasonable logic doesn't really exist here... I may have answered my own question.

kittyloaf69

I have always wondered that too. It's just a bunch of fanboys being hypocrites. It's funny how most 360 fans claim a pc/360 game as exclusive to the 360but get bent out of shape over games like MLB being a PS3 exclusive.smh Hypocrisy rules this place.lol

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#84 imran753
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its a exclusive game you can only play it on sony console. sony dosent care if u buy it on Ps2, psp or ps3 as long u buy it. xbox fanboys think PC and x360 are one and the same.

DontBeHatin1983

i think x360 and PC games are one in the same and im not a fanboy.. for example, ME2 is a 360 exclusive to me

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#86 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="DontBeHatin1983"]

its a exclusive game you can only play it on sony console. sony dosent care if u buy it on Ps2, psp or ps3 as long u buy it. xbox fanboys think PC and x360 are one and the same.

imran753

i think x360 and PC games are one in the same and im not a fanboy.. for example, ME2 is a 360 exclusive to me

the pc is not a ms system. they just make the operating system. you can not buy a pc from ms.

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#87 Silverbond
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[QUOTE="kittyloaf69"]

Just wondering. I don't see any reasonable logic that would make it not count just because it's a sports game. But then again, reasonable logic doesn't really exist here... I may have answered my own question.

coltsfan4ever

I have always wondered that too. It's just a bunch of fanboys being hypocrites. It's funny how most 360 fans claim a pc/360 game as exclusive to the 360but get bent out of shape over games like MLB being a PS3 exclusive.smh Hypocrisy rules this place.lol

The exact same can be said of PS3 fans. Let's not put the blame on one group.

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#88 DontBeHatin1983
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[QUOTE="imran753"]

[QUOTE="DontBeHatin1983"]

its a exclusive game you can only play it on sony console. sony dosent care if u buy it on Ps2, psp or ps3 as long u buy it. xbox fanboys think PC and x360 are one and the same.

CaseyWegner

i think x360 and PC games are one in the same and im not a fanboy.. for example, ME2 is a 360 exclusive to me

the pc is not a ms system. they just make the operating system. you can not buy a pc from ms.

how can it be x360 exclusive if if can play it on my pimped out Sony VAIO

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#89 CaseyWegner
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[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]

[QUOTE="imran753"]

i think x360 and PC games are one in the same and im not a fanboy.. for example, ME2 is a 360 exclusive to me

DontBeHatin1983

the pc is not a ms system. they just make the operating system. you can not buy a pc from ms.

how can it be x360 exclusive if if can play it on my pimped out Sony VAIO

it can't. :|

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#90 Seabas989
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MLB: The Show is not exclusive as well as NG: Sigma, Twilight Princess, Sin and Punishment, etc. Seriously this arguement has been debated for years on SW's and it's the same result.

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Like there was a discussed consensus for Dead Rising right? :roll: I read the thread and the posters who defended the exclusivity had good reasons. There was no consensus, there was always people in favor and against but a few posters decided against.Odrec
Yes, there actually was. :| If they had good reasons, then expand on them and bring them up for discussion right now. I'll be waiting.
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MLB: The Show is considered not exclusive because the same game is available on the PS2. The PS3 version may have some extra features and better graphics, but the basic core gameplay is the same, as well as the presentation.

Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter IS considered exclusive to the Xbox 360, because the Xbox/PS2 versions are completely different and watered down (and suck), and the PC version is a completely different game with the same name (360 version is 3rd person, PC is first person, but that's only one of the many differences)

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#94 KristoffBrujah
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[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

You saying it's exclusive, when it is not on System Wars is being dishonest.

It was debated and decided.

lundy86_4

I don't care who decided it, I make my own definitions based on rationality and logic. Anyone contrary to logic and rationality = dishonest. Some stripped-down port to last gen hardware or portable is not fundamentally the same game. Not the same game = not multiplat.

Fair enough, but you are in System Wars, where there is a strict definition that is adhered to. You saying it is exclusive in here, is not correct. So you are wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it.

If you wish to call it an exclusive outside of System Wars, that is your prerogative, and not for me to define.

Watch me continue to call it an exclusive in System Wars, regardeless. Are you a mod who can stop me from calling it exclusive? I didn't think so. Run along and play, then.

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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

I don't care who decided it, I make my own definitions based on rationality and logic. Anyone contrary to logic and rationality = dishonest. Some stripped-down port to last gen hardware or portable is not fundamentally the same game. Not the same game = not multiplat.

KristoffBrujah

Fair enough, but you are in System Wars, where there is a strict definition that is adhered to. You saying it is exclusive in here, is not correct. So you are wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it.

If you wish to call it an exclusive outside of System Wars, that is your prerogative, and not for me to define.

Watch me continue to call it an exclusive in System Wars, regardeless. Are you a mod who can stop me from calling it exclusive? I didn't think so. Run along and play, then.

Lol.

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#96 lundy86_4
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

I don't care who decided it, I make my own definitions based on rationality and logic. Anyone contrary to logic and rationality = dishonest. Some stripped-down port to last gen hardware or portable is not fundamentally the same game. Not the same game = not multiplat.

KristoffBrujah

Fair enough, but you are in System Wars, where there is a strict definition that is adhered to. You saying it is exclusive in here, is not correct. So you are wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it.

If you wish to call it an exclusive outside of System Wars, that is your prerogative, and not for me to define.

Watch me continue to call it an exclusive in System Wars, regardeless. Are you a mod who can stop me from calling it exclusive? I didn't think so. Run along and play, then.

Hmmm. Ok, do what you want. I'm not the one who'll be coming off, well, you know ;)

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#97 Odrec
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MLB: The Show is considered not exclusive because the same game is available on the PS2. The PS3 version may have some extra features and better graphics, but the basic core gameplay is the same, as well as the presentation.

Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter IS considered exclusive to the Xbox 360, because the Xbox/PS2 versions are completely different and watered down (and suck), and the PC version is a completely different game with the same name (360 version is 3rd person, PC is first person, but that's only one of the many differences)

hockeyruler12
That one version is worst than the other is not sufficient argument. The same can be said about MLB since the PS2 version is considerably inferior lacking significant stuff due to the PS2 engine as the IGN review pointed out. The FPS vs TPS argument shouldn't count since in the 360 version you can play as TPS or FPS like the PC version. Again if this game is counted MLB should count.
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#98 KristoffBrujah
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Hmmm. Ok, do what you want.

lundy86_4

I will :)

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#99 lawlessx
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this thread is still going? talk about beating a dead horse with a stick :|
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[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]

[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]

I don't care who decided it, I make my own definitions based on rationality and logic. Anyone contrary to logic and rationality = dishonest. Some stripped-down port to last gen hardware or portable is not fundamentally the same game. Not the same game = not multiplat.

KristoffBrujah

Fair enough, but you are in System Wars, where there is a strict definition that is adhered to. You saying it is exclusive in here, is not correct. So you are wrong, no ifs ands or buts about it.

If you wish to call it an exclusive outside of System Wars, that is your prerogative, and not for me to define.

Watch me continue to call it an exclusive in System Wars, regardeless. Are you a mod who can stop me from calling it exclusive? I didn't think so. Run along and play, then.

then by all means post in detail how they are different.