[QUOTE="Verge_6"]MLB09 on PS2 and PS3 don't share the same engine either.RE4 on the Wii utilizes a different engine from other versions. That mean the Wii gets a AAAE?Anyone who claims the PC and 360 versions of GRAW are identical enough to be considered the same game should just admit they've played neither. The fact that they are't even of the same genre should be enough, to say nothing of the totally different game mechanics and mission structure. They don't even share the same engine, for Christ's sakes.
Odrec
Can anyone explain to me why people never include MLB: The Show in AAAE lists?
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[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
games with bonus features have never been considered exclusive.
CaseyWegner
Bonus features? Is the difference between the PS2 and PS3 version just bonus features? I honestly don't know what you mean. When you have hugeley different graphics, different sound, and different features, I wouldn't call that a multiplat. It's just very dishonest.
what features? calling it exclusive is dishonest. they're the same game. look at how the differences between the graw games are described. they are truly different games.
The stuff Odrec posted.
I don't know anything about GRAW; never played it, don't care. I'm telling you that it's dishonest because it's not a multiplat the same way MW2 is a multiplat. When you say "multiplat", any serious gamer isn't imagining a stripped down 1/4 resolution, bad shadow effects, horrible crowd faces, and bad looking stadiums from last gen. He won't see the PS3 version online, go and buy the PS2, and wonder if the guy sold him an incorrectly packaged game from last gen. Or even worse, a handheld.
It completely trivializes the term "multiplat."
[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="Verge_6"]MLB09 on PS2 and PS3 don't share the same engine either.RE4 on the Wii utilizes a different engine from other versions. That mean the Wii gets a AAAE?Anyone who claims the PC and 360 versions of GRAW are identical enough to be considered the same game should just admit they've played neither. The fact that they are't even of the same genre should be enough, to say nothing of the totally different game mechanics and mission structure. They don't even share the same engine, for Christ's sakes.
Stevo_the_gamer
Wait, so Modern Warfare 2 is an AAAE on DS?
So, I'm guessing you want Ninja Gaiden Sigma to be a PS3 AAAE too, eh?[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]Bonus features? Is the difference between the PS2 and PS3 version just bonus features? I honestly don't know what you mean. When you have hugeley different graphics, different sound, and different features, I wouldn't call that a multiplat. It's just very dishonest.
KristoffBrujah
I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
Denoting the core gameplay mechanics to being extremely similar, rather than vastly different is so apparent that subjectivity does not really play a part.
Note these two gameplay videos:
PS3 Gameplay
PS2 Gameplay
As you'll note. The similarities between the two, far outweigh the differences.
Again, as I stated to Odrec, who decides whether IGN's review is law?
lundy86_4
The similarities between two Madden years are less significant than the videos you just posted, and those truly are different games.
What are you talking about Madden for? :? They have been multiplat for a long time, due to them playing very much the same. Multiplat isn't determined by similraties in consecutive years, but by the same year across different platforms.
Those videos show the core gameplay of MLB 09: The Show to be very similar.
What am I talking about Madden for? You're talking about gameplay similarities determining whether a game should be considered "multiplat." I'm saying that there are far more gameplay similarities between two consecutive-year Maddens than between one version of MLB The Show and another. Even though they truly are different games.
But that's just me making a point.
Did Gamespot even review MW2: Mobilized?Wait, so Modern Warfare 2 is an AAAE on DS?
Modern_Unit
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, I'm guessing you want Ninja Gaiden Sigma to be a PS3 AAAE too, eh?
Odrec
I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.how am i a 360 supporter?
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, I'm guessing you want Ninja Gaiden Sigma to be a PS3 AAAE too, eh?
Odrec
I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it. Someone who rejects any claims that the 360 has more worthwhile exclusives than Halo 3 has no right to be harping on people for not taking him seriously.
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, I'm guessing you want Ninja Gaiden Sigma to be a PS3 AAAE too, eh?
Odrec
I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.Tin foil hat time, my friend:
Have you got yours?
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
Bonus features? Is the difference between the PS2 and PS3 version just bonus features? I honestly don't know what you mean. When you have hugeley different graphics, different sound, and different features, I wouldn't call that a multiplat. It's just very dishonest.
KristoffBrujah
what features? calling it exclusive is dishonest. they're the same game. look at how the differences between the graw games are described. they are truly different games.
The stuff Odrec posted.
I don't know anything about GRAW; never played it, don't care. I'm telling you that it's dishonest because it's not a multiplat the same way MW2 is a multiplat. When you say "multiplat", any serious gamer isn't imagining a stripped down 1/4 resolution, bad shadow effects, horrible crowd faces, and bad looking stadiums from last gen. He won't see the PS3 version online, go and buy the PS2, and wonder if the guy sold him an incorrectly packaged game from last gen. Or even worse, a handheld.
It completely trivializes the term "multiplat."
he posted a snippet from a review that mostly talked about technical issues. you're trivializing exclusive. these are the same damn games.
[QUOTE="Odrec"] You can play the 360 version as FPS. The fact that it can change perspectives doesn't make it a diffeerent game either since games like Dragon Age on PC where you can play the whole game from the aerial perspective with a lot of adjuested gameplay mechanics for that view unlike consoles doesn't make the game exclusive.lundy86_4
It's not just the fact that they are different genres. The mission structure is completely different, as is the level design. They are essentially, completely different games, with the same name.
This is what I don't get. For shooters you say mission structure, what do you say for a baseball game? they can't change the rules or the objective of the game because then it isn't baseball anymore. In the end it has to be decided by what is relevant to the gameplay of a baseball game and I think the IGN review makes a pretty clear account of what makes the PS2 version a considerably different experience.[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
The similarities between two Madden years are less significant than the videos you just posted, and those truly are different games.
KristoffBrujah
What are you talking about Madden for? :? They have been multiplat for a long time, due to them playing very much the same. Multiplat isn't determined by similraties in consecutive years, but by the same year across different platforms.
Those videos show the core gameplay of MLB 09: The Show to be very similar.
What am I talking about Madden for? You're talking about gameplay similarities determining whether a game should be considered "multiplat." I'm saying that there are far more gameplay similarities between two consecutive-year Maddens than between one version of MLB The Show and another. Even though they truly are different games.
But that's just me making a point.
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
CaseyWegner
how am i a 360 supporter?
Just take a look at your posting history.[QUOTE="lundy86_4"][QUOTE="Odrec"] You can play the 360 version as FPS. The fact that it can change perspectives doesn't make it a diffeerent game either since games like Dragon Age on PC where you can play the whole game from the aerial perspective with a lot of adjuested gameplay mechanics for that view unlike consoles doesn't make the game exclusive.Odrec
It's not just the fact that they are different genres. The mission structure is completely different, as is the level design. They are essentially, completely different games, with the same name.
This is what I don't get. For shooters you say mission structure, what do you say for a baseball game? they can't change the rules or the objective of the game because then it isn't baseball anymore. In the end it has to be decided by what is relevant to the gameplay of a baseball game and I think the IGN review makes a pretty clear account of what makes the PS2 version a considerably different experience.For example, if one had lack of ball physics, and one version did, then the gameplay would be affected and they could be argued as multiplat. Along with the AI being less advanced etc.
In MLB 09: The Show, the differences aren't big enough to denote them as being different core gameplay experiences.
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"][QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]So, I'm guessing you want Ninja Gaiden Sigma to be a PS3 AAAE too, eh?
Odrec
I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.Any gamer claiming "ultimate authority" due to a spreadsheet should be viewed very dubiously. Honestly, when I was assaulted with the spreadsheets and vote argument, I was taken aback. As if there is some nerd council in Rome with a nerd pope who can burn me for nerd heresy.
It's just an opinion based on what gamers would reasonably think.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Odrec"] The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.Odrec
how am i a 360 supporter?
Just take a look at your posting history.that's why i'm asking.
The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
KristoffBrujah
Any gamer claiming "ultimate authority" due to a spreadsheet should be viewed very dubiously. Honestly, when I was assaulted with the spreadsheets and vote argument, I was taken aback. As if there is some nerd council in Rome with a nerd pope who can burn me for nerd heresy.
It's just an opinion based on what gamers would reasonably think.
If you don't like the way the forum is run, then there are many others where you can post. Posting here is a priveledge, not a right, as the saying goes.
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
What are you talking about Madden for? :? They have been multiplat for a long time, due to them playing very much the same. Multiplat isn't determined by similraties in consecutive years, but by the same year across different platforms.
Those videos show the core gameplay of MLB 09: The Show to be very similar.
lundy86_4
What am I talking about Madden for? You're talking about gameplay similarities determining whether a game should be considered "multiplat." I'm saying that there are far more gameplay similarities between two consecutive-year Maddens than between one version of MLB The Show and another. Even though they truly are different games.
But that's just me making a point.
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God (ie a spreadsheet) delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry (some poster).
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
What am I talking about Madden for? You're talking about gameplay similarities determining whether a game should be considered "multiplat." I'm saying that there are far more gameplay similarities between two consecutive-year Maddens than between one version of MLB The Show and another. Even though they truly are different games.
But that's just me making a point.
KristoffBrujah
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry.
The door's thattaway if you can't take it =====>[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
what features? calling it exclusive is dishonest. they're the same game. look at how the differences between the graw games are described. they are truly different games.
CaseyWegner
The stuff Odrec posted.
I don't know anything about GRAW; never played it, don't care. I'm telling you that it's dishonest because it's not a multiplat the same way MW2 is a multiplat. When you say "multiplat", any serious gamer isn't imagining a stripped down 1/4 resolution, bad shadow effects, horrible crowd faces, and bad looking stadiums from last gen. He won't see the PS3 version online, go and buy the PS2, and wonder if the guy sold him an incorrectly packaged game from last gen. Or even worse, a handheld.
It completely trivializes the term "multiplat."
he posted a snippet from a review that mostly talked about technical issues. you're trivializing exclusive. these are the same damn games.
I think you people were the ones who started trivializing exclusives. Afterall you were the ones who originally counted Dead Rising as an exclusive and talk on fuzzy terms like "considerable differences". Usually when you want something to be objective you need a quantifiable (or official) approach and not something messured subjectively as you all do all the time.[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
what features? calling it exclusive is dishonest. they're the same game. look at how the differences between the graw games are described. they are truly different games.
CaseyWegner
The stuff Odrec posted.
I don't know anything about GRAW; never played it, don't care. I'm telling you that it's dishonest because it's not a multiplat the same way MW2 is a multiplat. When you say "multiplat", any serious gamer isn't imagining a stripped down 1/4 resolution, bad shadow effects, horrible crowd faces, and bad looking stadiums from last gen. He won't see the PS3 version online, go and buy the PS2, and wonder if the guy sold him an incorrectly packaged game from last gen. Or even worse, a handheld.
It completely trivializes the term "multiplat."
he posted a snippet from a review that mostly talked about technical issues. you're trivializing exclusive. these are the same damn games.
I think you people were the ones who started trivializing exclusives. Afterall you were the ones who originally counted Dead Rising as an exclusive and talk on fuzzy terms like "considerable differences". Usually when you want something to be objective you need a quantifiable (or official) approach and not something messured subjectively as you all do all the time.[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
The stuff Odrec posted.
I don't know anything about GRAW; never played it, don't care. I'm telling you that it's dishonest because it's not a multiplat the same way MW2 is a multiplat. When you say "multiplat", any serious gamer isn't imagining a stripped down 1/4 resolution, bad shadow effects, horrible crowd faces, and bad looking stadiums from last gen. He won't see the PS3 version online, go and buy the PS2, and wonder if the guy sold him an incorrectly packaged game from last gen. Or even worse, a handheld.
It completely trivializes the term "multiplat."
Odrec
he posted a snippet from a review that mostly talked about technical issues. you're trivializing exclusive. these are the same damn games.
I think you people were the ones who started trivializing exclusives. Afterall you were the ones who originally counted Dead Rising as an exclusive and talk on fuzzy terms like "considerable differences". Usually when you want something to be objective you need a quantifiable (or official) approach and not something messured subjectively as you all do all the time.can you elaborate on the dead rising comment?
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
Verge_6
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry.
The door's thattaway if you can't take it =====>Uh... or I just keep posting here and ignore those who throw spreadsheets at me while I call it an "AAAE"? Yes, I think I'll do that.
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
What am I talking about Madden for? You're talking about gameplay similarities determining whether a game should be considered "multiplat." I'm saying that there are far more gameplay similarities between two consecutive-year Maddens than between one version of MLB The Show and another. Even though they truly are different games.
But that's just me making a point.
KristoffBrujah
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God (ie a spreadsheet) delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry (some poster).
System Wars is this "we", as in the posters. People are more than welcome to try and refute something, hence why there was a debate over the exclusivity of this game.
Rules are important, they provide structure, and therefore things don't devolve into anarchism.
Like I said, if you don't like the way the forum is run, then go post somewhere else.
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
What am I talking about Madden for? You're talking about gameplay similarities determining whether a game should be considered "multiplat." I'm saying that there are far more gameplay similarities between two consecutive-year Maddens than between one version of MLB The Show and another. Even though they truly are different games.
But that's just me making a point.
KristoffBrujah
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God (ie a spreadsheet) delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry (some poster).
That's one thing you notice from this forum right away. There are some posters getting preferencial treatement and there's nothing we can do about that.[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="Odrec"] The funny thing is that they treat everyone else as if we are all mad fanboys while they are the law. Right here there are 3 known 360 supporters Stevo, Casey and mitu claiming somehow they are the ultimate authorities and everything is decided by their word. Well the fact is that everything is in the end. The spreadsheet is just worked out between them and they always add more conditions to make any counter arguments impossible to sustain. Now they want us to go buy MLB for PS2 and PS3 even after I posted the differences made by a game reviewer. Even if a go my way and buy both games and explain the differences myself they'll just find something else to discredit whatever we say and keep their spreadsheet as they like it.lundy86_4
Any gamer claiming "ultimate authority" due to a spreadsheet should be viewed very dubiously. Honestly, when I was assaulted with the spreadsheets and vote argument, I was taken aback. As if there is some nerd council in Rome with a nerd pope who can burn me for nerd heresy.
It's just an opinion based on what gamers would reasonably think.
If you don't like the way the forum is run, then there are many others where you can post. Posting here is a priveledge, not a right, as the saying goes.
LOL so you run the forum? You're going to forum ban me if I don't accede to your spreadsheet? I'm falling out of my chair laughing on this one. How about I just keep posting my opinions on what constitutes a multiplat, you're free to agree or disagree (hopefully without more threats or weirdness), and we call it good? 8)
Will you really take it personally if I keep considering this a multiplat?
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
Odrec
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God (ie a spreadsheet) delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry (some poster).
That's one thing you notice from this forum right away. There are some posters getting preferencial treatement and there's nothing we can do about that.nobody gets preferential treatment.
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"][QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
I stated why your point was innaccurate in my last post. We don't determine multiplats by compoaring games in consecutive years (as an example a sports game being 2008 and 2009), we determine it by that iteration (as an example MLB 09: The Show across multiple platforms).
Your point was not applicable to the argument.
Odrec
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God (ie a spreadsheet) delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry (some poster).
That's one thing you notice from this forum right away. There are some posters getting preferencial treatement and there's nothing we can do about that.Nobody gets preferential treatment, hence why I and many other worthwhile posters have been modded before on these forums.
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
Any gamer claiming "ultimate authority" due to a spreadsheet should be viewed very dubiously. Honestly, when I was assaulted with the spreadsheets and vote argument, I was taken aback. As if there is some nerd council in Rome with a nerd pope who can burn me for nerd heresy.
It's just an opinion based on what gamers would reasonably think.
KristoffBrujah
If you don't like the way the forum is run, then there are many others where you can post. Posting here is a priveledge, not a right, as the saying goes.
LOL so you run the forum? You're going to forum ban me if I don't accede to your spreadsheet? I'm falling out of my chair laughing on this one. How about I just keep posting my opinions on what constitutes a multiplat, you're free to agree or disagree (hopefully without more threats or weirdness), and we call it good? 8)
Where did I say that? Looks like you misinterpreted what I said, and ran with it. Good job.
It was simply an option for you, seems as you dislike the way things are done around here, seemingly.
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
If you don't like the way the forum is run, then there are many others where you can post. Posting here is a priveledge, not a right, as the saying goes.
lundy86_4
LOL so you run the forum? You're going to forum ban me if I don't accede to your spreadsheet? I'm falling out of my chair laughing on this one. How about I just keep posting my opinions on what constitutes a multiplat, you're free to agree or disagree (hopefully without more threats or weirdness), and we call it good? 8)
Where did I say that? Looks like you misinterpreted what I said, and ran with it. Good job.
It was simply an option for you, seems as you dislike the way things are done around here, seemingly.
Not at all. Most of the people here are chill. I never argued for changing the way "you guys" do things. But I also don't really care, is what I'm saying. When you say stuff like "we do things this way", it doesn't lend any weight to your argument in my mind. In fact, it sounds downright bizarre.
But I think I've demonstrated pretty clearly why I consider this game to be exclusive and not multiplat, which was really my intention (and not to make any official, canonical proclamation for chrissake). I wasn't even aware you had any official "canon opinions" around here; that tells you how much I think of it.
[QUOTE="lundy86_4"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
LOL so you run the forum? You're going to forum ban me if I don't accede to your spreadsheet? I'm falling out of my chair laughing on this one. How about I just keep posting my opinions on what constitutes a multiplat, you're free to agree or disagree (hopefully without more threats or weirdness), and we call it good? 8)
KristoffBrujah
Where did I say that? Looks like you misinterpreted what I said, and ran with it. Good job.
It was simply an option for you, seems as you dislike the way things are done around here, seemingly.
Not at all. Most of the people here are chill. I never argued for changing the way "you guys" do things. But I also don't really care, is what I'm saying. When you say stuff like "we do things this way", it doesn't lend any weight to your argument in my mind. In fact, it sounds downright bizarre.
But I think I've demonstrated pretty clearly why I consider this game to be exclusive and not multiplat, which was really my intention (and not to make any official, canonical proclamation for chrissake). I wasn't even aware you had any official "canon opinions" around here; that tells you how much I think of it.
Hmmmm, that is entirely fair enough.
The door's thattaway if you can't take it =====>[QUOTE="Verge_6"][QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry.
KristoffBrujah
Uh... or I just keep posting here and ignore those who throw spreadsheets at me while I call it an "AAAE"? Yes, I think I'll do that.
you esentially just said that you are going to ignore facts and call games what they arent. Im sorry but no, just no, I mean theres no way an opinion can be wrong, but calling a game exclusive simply because its other version is "less good" and has less features makes absolutly no sense. I mean by that logic we might as well count every game that had exclusive content on either 360 or PS3 completely exclusive, simply because it had "more" then its other versions.
edit: wait a minute, crap I cant tell if you were being sarcastic there or not :P
wow its on its sibling systems, its still a sony playstation exclusive and thats that main argument in the thread.....Sony vs Microsoft
I think you people were the ones who started trivializing exclusives. Afterall you were the ones who originally counted Dead Rising as an exclusive and talk on fuzzy terms like "considerable differences". Usually when you want something to be objective you need a quantifiable (or official) approach and not something messured subjectively as you all do all the time.[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
he posted a snippet from a review that mostly talked about technical issues. you're trivializing exclusive. these are the same damn games.
CaseyWegner
can you elaborate on the dead rising comment?
Dead Rising a game which was considered exclusive here for some time and can be argued to be in the same league as the MLB case. The game was kept as an exclusive until MLB came along. Of course the people responsible for the spreadsheet once they noticed that if they counted Dead Rising they would have to count every MLB game from then on then they took Dead Rising out. If MLB never came along I bet Dead Rising would still be counted as an exclusive for the 360 just because 360 games are basically unquestioned when considered for exclusivity, only PS3 games are fought out of the list in the way we see here (there was no fight whatsoever for Dead Rising, someone just put it there and it went unquestioned). Right then we started to see that this exclusivity vs. multiplat talk as reflected on the spreadsheet was all pretty trivial and product of pretty random decisions made by a couple of people in this forum. They decide when to put or take out a game as they see fit. It makes me wonder that maybe if a game on PS3 ever comes with differneces that can be proved to challenge GRAW (like FPS vs TPS) maybe GRAW is going to be dropped. I guess KristoffBrujah approach is the wiser, I'll just call exclusive whatever I want.This isn't Company Wars. It's System Wars. :)wow its on its sibling systems, its still a sony playstation exclusive and thats that main argument in the thread.....Sony vs Microsoft
Lantern-Cusp
That's one thing you notice from this forum right away. There are some posters getting preferencial treatement and there's nothing we can do about that.[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
Who's this "we"? See, that's the kind of crap I'm talking about. I just come in here for some good gaming discussion, but then it sounds like a cult with strange rules to which I must adhere or be considered a heretic.
Honestly, this is just too nerdy. If someone wants to call it a multiplat, fine. If someone wants to call it an exclusive, fine. But god, don't make it sound official like God (ie a spreadsheet) delivered this judgment to the Imperial Wizard of nerditry (some poster).
CaseyWegner
nobody gets preferential treatment.
Yeah right.Forgive me, what I meant to say is -- do you CONSIDER Ninja Gaiden Sigma to be a PS3 exclusive considering it has different graphics, different sound, and different features.I'm not part of the system wars. I own PS3, 360, and PC. I could give a rat's rear who gets AAAE; hell, I hope they all tie with 20 AAAE at year end so I can game in nirvana for 12 months.
But it's pretty damn chilling to come in here and see some of this behavior. Even to a nerd like me, who just enjoys games, the warped reasoning is so bizarre.
KristoffBrujah
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Odrec"] I think you people were the ones who started trivializing exclusives. Afterall you were the ones who originally counted Dead Rising as an exclusive and talk on fuzzy terms like "considerable differences". Usually when you want something to be objective you need a quantifiable (or official) approach and not something messured subjectively as you all do all the time.Odrec
can you elaborate on the dead rising comment?
Dead Rising a game which was considered exclusive here for some time and can be argued to be in the same league as the MLB case. The game was kept as an exclusive until MLB came along. Of course the people responsible for the spreadsheet once they noticed that if they counted Dead Rising they would have to count every MLB game from then on then they took Dead Rising out. If MLB never came along I bet Dead Rising would still be counted as an exclusive for the 360 just because 360 games are basically unquestioned when considered for exclusivity, only PS3 games are fought out of the list in the way we see here (there was no fight whatsoever for Dead Rising, someone just put it there and it went unquestioned). Right then we started to see that this exclusivity vs. multiplat talk as reflected on the spreadsheet was all pretty trivial and product of pretty random decisions made by a couple of people in this forum. They decide when to put or take out a game as they see fit. It makes me wonder that maybe if a game on PS3 ever comes with differneces that can be proved to challenge GRAW (like FPS vs TPS) maybe GRAW is going to be dropped. I guess KristoffBrujah approach is the wiser, I'll just call exclusive whatever I want.dead rising was exclusive. there wasn't a port until much later. there is no random activity or conspiracy surrounding the spreadsheet.
[QUOTE="CaseyWegner"][QUOTE="Odrec"] That's one thing you notice from this forum right away. There are some posters getting preferencial treatement and there's nothing we can do about that.Odrec
nobody gets preferential treatment.
Yeah right.for example?
Going by the logic that MLB: The Show isn't an exclusive game, does that mean you can count Gears of War, Mass Effect, and Zelda: Twilight Princess as non-exclusives? Or even LBP? Modnation Racers?
rsoxguy12
the ones bolded arguably yes you could, it just all depends on what your opinions are about Console exclusivity. (meaning console exclusives, discluding only the PC, similar to how console graphics king works)
However littlebigplanet no as the PSP version is a LOT different then the console version (yes I own both.) and well I couldnt tell you about MNR since it isnt released yet :P
Err...yeah, pretty much. Those titles have never been considered exclusives. :|That's not entirely true. They were exclusive at one point in time... it's just that, later on they were ported to different systems. :P[QUOTE="rsoxguy12"]
Going by the logic that MLB: The Show isn't an exclusive game, does that mean you can count Gears of War, Mass Effect, and Zelda: Twilight Princess as non-exclusives? Verge_6
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
[QUOTE="Verge_6"] The door's thattaway if you can't take it =====>dragonfly110
Uh... or I just keep posting here and ignore those who throw spreadsheets at me while I call it an "AAAE"? Yes, I think I'll do that.
you esentially just said that you are going to ignore facts and call games what they arent. Im sorry but no, just no, I mean theres no way an opinion can be wrong, but calling a game exclusive simply because its other version is "less good" and has less features makes absolutly no sense. I mean by that logic we might as well count every game that had exclusive content on either 360 or PS3 completely exclusive, simply because it had "more" then its other versions.
I'm not ignoring facts; I dispute that the spreadsheets prove that something should be considered "multiplat".
Dead Rising a game which was considered exclusive here for some time and can be argued to be in the same league as the MLB case. The game was kept as an exclusive until MLB came along. Of course the people responsible for the spreadsheet once they noticed that if they counted Dead Rising they would have to count every MLB game from then on then they took Dead Rising out. If MLB never came along I bet Dead Rising would still be counted as an exclusive for the 360 just because 360 games are basically unquestioned when considered for exclusivity, only PS3 games are fought out of the list in the way we see here (there was no fight whatsoever for Dead Rising, someone just put it there and it went unquestioned). Right then we started to see that this exclusivity vs. multiplat talk as reflected on the spreadsheet was all pretty trivial and product of pretty random decisions made by a couple of people in this forum. They decide when to put or take out a game as they see fit. It makes me wonder that maybe if a game on PS3 ever comes with differneces that can be proved to challenge GRAW (like FPS vs TPS) maybe GRAW is going to be dropped. I guess KristoffBrujah approach is the wiser, I'll just call exclusive whatever I want.[QUOTE="Odrec"][QUOTE="CaseyWegner"]
can you elaborate on the dead rising comment?
CaseyWegner
dead rising was exclusive. there wasn't a port until much later. there is no random activity or conspiracy surrounding the spreadsheet.
No it was taken out when MLB came along. It was even discussed on the original MLB09 exlcusivity thread.[QUOTE="Verge_6"]Err...yeah, pretty much. Those titles have never been considered exclusives. :|That's not entirely true. They were exclusive at one point in time... it's just that, later on they were ported to different systems. :P Don't make me get you kicked from GUFU. :evil:[QUOTE="rsoxguy12"]
Going by the logic that MLB: The Show isn't an exclusive game, does that mean you can count Gears of War, Mass Effect, and Zelda: Twilight Princess as non-exclusives? Stevo_the_gamer
Uh....then I suggest you accept the ruling of a matter that was voted on by the users of SW.[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
Uh... or I just keep posting here and ignore those who throw spreadsheets at me while I call it an "AAAE"? Yes, I think I'll do that.
Verge_6
I guess internet forums aren't a democracy after all. Especially when I wasn't there to vote. :cry:
[QUOTE="dragonfly110"]
[QUOTE="KristoffBrujah"]
Uh... or I just keep posting here and ignore those who throw spreadsheets at me while I call it an "AAAE"? Yes, I think I'll do that.
KristoffBrujah
you esentially just said that you are going to ignore facts and call games what they arent. Im sorry but no, just no, I mean theres no way an opinion can be wrong, but calling a game exclusive simply because its other version is "less good" and has less features makes absolutly no sense. I mean by that logic we might as well count every game that had exclusive content on either 360 or PS3 completely exclusive, simply because it had "more" then its other versions.
I'm not ignoring facts; I dispute that the spreadsheets prove that something should be considered "multiplat".
yes I slightly misread your post there I suppose, I do think that some of the games being counted on the spreadsheet are arguable, but I still disagree on the second part of you post. Something that is not exclusive, not even Console exclusive shouldnt even be arguably considered an AE, AAE, or AAAE
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