Can cows please explain how..

Who said its a bad thing? More options is always good

'member when Valve allowed the buy ps3 version get pc version? Oh they loved that.

Also they loved getting the same game on PSVITA and PS4 if you buy any version. Hypocrites

Totally the same thing as having a completely passable console system on PC. Equivalence is your specialty, I see.

This is the question in the OP:

"Can cows please explain to me how this concept of 'Xbox as a service' [Xbox Play Anywhere] is a bad deal for Xbox gamers, the Xbox brand, and the Microsoft Xbox division?.."

So if you are indeed purchasing Microsoft Xbox Play Anywhere games on your Microsoft Windows 10 PC from the Microsoft Windows Store and playing them via Microsoft's Xbox Live service, please tell me again how that "is bad for Microsoft"?..

Basically, that would mean you're supporting UWP, Windows 10, the Windows Store, and the Xbox Live community (all the component's of Microsoft's long-term Xbox gaming strategy).. So that being said, please elaborate on how Microsoft is hurting over your PC build in that scenario..

@Antwan3K: Its not bad for Microsoft but it doesnt change much because the biggest reason why people buy Xbox is because they dont like gaming on PC

@Fairmonkey: True, I totally agree. But the benefits are still universal:

1) some people only game on PC, and now those PC gamers have more games to play.. That's a plus..

2) some people only play on Xbox console, and now those gamers have a larger pool of gamers to play with online and devs have a larger install base of gamers to target for new games.. That's a plus..

3) some people game on both console and PC, and for those gamers, cross-buy/cross-save/cross-play is an obvious benefit... That's a plus..

Absolutely no downsides in sight

This thread played out identical to my first response.

@ConanTheStoner said:

@xdude85 said:

You're asking PlayStation fanboys for too much.

The best you'll get is a continuous spamming of gifs.

What about the long winded posts that could be summarized around 2 sentences?

Why not do it with an Xbox included? People act like there is NO benefit for users that want to play on a console. I love this idea, even with a desktop + laptop I still generally prefer to use a console over PC in my living room because it generally means the MP won't be heavily one sided to keyboard warriors, Or its just a good backup when PC's fail due to driver/windows updates, weird game incompatibilities... PC has come a long way but consoles still have a huge lead on simplicity and stability because the platform isn't a moving target.

I love my PC. But being able to include the cheapest and best performing low profile devices in that eco system... I'm ready.

It's not bad. Does it completely eliminate the need to buy a Microsoft console? Yes. Those two ideas can co-exist.

cause the ms store on windows is ****** garbage

Still not true, if you don't like PC gaming.

cant deny thats pretty cool but it does take a way from the idea of a console exclusive

tbh, if I hadnt got PS4 as a present last year, I would have waited it out for the Scorpio

If you have a PC and you're spending hundreds on a console, the thing had better have exclusives to justify itself.

Otherwise what's the point. If I had to get a console, it would be a PS4.

If MS did that with their next console, it would be fine by me, but changing so many things after I layed down all that cash is a cardinal sin imo. You don't change the system. The console was sold to me as a device with Kinect 2 as standard and a console with exclusive, if that doesn't work for MS post launch, that's their problem. **** them, I have a PC in the same room, don't need a £400 netflix player, when I can get a £30 Amazon Fire Stick.

You NEVER make drastic changes to your console post launch, it's cowardly. Say what you want about the Wii U, at least Nintendo has the guts to see their consoles through. The Xbox One wasn't even in the same situation as the PS3 at the beggining and Sony turned that into a success. The PS3 was so bad in the beginning, it was a threat to the company because of costs. And Sony STILL wouldn't rush developers, fucking props. **** MS and Xbox up the ass.

This^

Honestly this thread is too long.

The TC's (the bold) had been answered on the first page but butthurt with the answer a lot of xbox fans cried making excuses about why this and but you can do that, because they didn't want to accept it.

The answer is not EVER going to change and no xbox fanboy has to ever accept this...but this will always be the reality and the answer no matter the amount of tears, excuses or spinning lemmings come up with to sugar coat the matter.

PC gaming is far too nerdy and I wouldn't hit a dog in da ass with it. Xbox for life. lol

Truth in advertising, I'm the biggest fan ever, Evah of PI though... ( Politically Incorrect ) is my bag baby !! :P

@casharmy: Does an iPad need exclusive content in order to justify It's existence if you already own an iPhone?..

No, because a tablet has certain fundamental characteristics that make it a desirable device regardless of the fact that you can basically do everything an iPad can do already from your iPhone..

So an Apple fan, COULD buy an Android or Windows tablet instead of a "redundant" iPad for the sake of diversity but they'll just as likely prefer to have their content/services exist seamlessly across those different devices instead.. If this ideal wasn't true, you'd never see an iPhone user purchase an iPad.. Some people just prefer to have an integrated experience across devices and value certain ecosystems..

So by that same logic, if you're an Xbox fan that already owns a gaming PC, you COULD buy a PS4 or Switch console instead of a "redundant" Xbox One for the sake of diversity but you could just as likely prefer to have your content/services exist seamlessly across those different devices instead..

At the end of the day, if you prefer to game in your living room with a controller on a television, a console is typically going to be the cheapest, easiest, and most practical way to enjoy the latest and greatest games from your comfy couch.. A console serves a specific function better than a PC just like a tablet serves a specific function better than a smartphone.. Stop pretending like that isn't a fact.. And stop pretending that YOUR preferences are the only preferences that matter..

If you're an iPhone user who owns a Samsung Android tablet and a Dell Windows 10 desktop because you prefer diversity, that's great.. But don't try to pretend like a person who owns an iPhone, iPad, and iMac desktop is any less justified for preferring seamless unification and integration across devices by staying within a single ecosystem...

So play anywhere is useless in your book. Even for the biggest lemmings out there this feature is useless since you won't touch a pc. What a fail, I thought at least lems would appreciate it. Play Anywhere? more like Ownage Everywhere.

I had a dream, that one they your posts would make sense but that was just a dream.

@HalcyonScarlet: I respect your stance.. I, by contrast, love the idea of being able to start a game on my living room console and continue that same game from my laptop while I travel..

Is my stance any less valid that yours?.. Is Xbox Play Anywhere not a beneficial feature for me?..

I understand that Microsoft may have made a move that you don't agree with, and that's fair.. But do you honestly believe that Sony and/or Nintendo have never made moves that have upset gamers as well?.. Truth is, they all have.. Not the first time and it won't be the last for any of them.. So let's stop pretending Microsoft has the monopoly on making decisions that benefit some gamers but may not benefit others..

lol

As I said, if they made these plans known from the beginning or said they would do it from their next gen before anyone had the chance to invest in their product, I wouldn't have a problem.

In your OP, you used the word concept. MSs original concept for the Xbox One was different and that is what they sold me at a price of £429. Paying that much, I have earned the right to be selfish regarding what I wanted from the product.

I believe it is morally wrong to change the concept of your product/service that much after you have begun selling it to people. So I do not believe your stance is valid, as in, there is a time and place to make such a drastic company changes to your product, like dropping Kinect and ridding the console of exclusives and they should have made it at a point where everyone especially the consumer had a choice in which they could make the decision whether or not to get on board. They took that choice from me, that's not fair.

It's no small amount of money, I could have used it for something else. It is hugely insulting, it shows how immature this industry is that this behaviour is acceptable. No where else off the top of my head would a company sell me something that expensive, before software and XBL costs and make such fundamental changes for me and other gamers, without consulting us. They treated us like fucking children that they would do this.

Ideally, people shouldn't have to do that much research, and they shouldn't have to know how the industry works or the business side of things. That is none of our concern. They should buy something and be safe in the knowledge, their product would remain unchanged from the concept that they were sold on.

Except those devices are not about exclusive content. They're about execution of the goal and they're constantly reaching for that goal.

Gaming is about exclusives. It doesn't hurt anyone for apple to start an ecosystem at anytime because of the nature of those devices, could give a **** if my apple device gave each other a high five while I was asleep, the difference is as simple as do you want them synced or not. Where as individual consoles are about individual entertainment concepts and suddenly deciding to change that concept mid gen is wrong.

MS sell Xbox play anywhere as a small XBL level feature, when in fact it's a huge console level feature. It's easily as big as any of the ideas MS had at the Pre-Xbox One E3. And all of those ideas where things people would want to know about and have a choice about. They reacted negatively to them and MS changed. Could you imagine if MS suddenly started implementing any of those feature without giving people a choice, it would be the same thing, the impact of those features are on the same level.

@HalcyonScarlet: I'm trying to understand your frustration but can your Xbox One still play games?.. Doesn't it still offer games that can't be played on competing consoles?..

I think you're being a bit overdramatic with your "outrage"..

I do agree on Kinect tho, I fully disagreed with the decision to drop the peripheral from the standard box.. But considering how the market positively responded to that move, I was clearly in the minority on that.. And apparently so are you..

In the end, I would have to disagree with your idea that the console isn't offering, fundamentally, what it was advertised to offer from day one: Great console gaming, and all-in-one entertainment box, and platform exclusives that can't be played on competing consoles..

You think being able to "buy once, play anywhere" is a bad thing.. Others view it as a good thing.. And I have a feeling that you're going to be in the minority on that one too sir..

@HalcyonScarlet: Gaming for you may be solely about exclusives.. For many others, it's just about playing great games.. Xbox Play Anywhere doesn't take that away and actually provides many people like me with more ways to continue my gaming across different devices

@silversix_ said:

@Antwan3K said:

@silversix_ said:

@Antwan3K said:

@silversix_ said:

Your laptop can run the menu of the mentioned titles. Bravo.

Runs just fine..

Full screen picture. Bravo.

Here's gameplay captured directly from my laptop:

https://account.xbox.com/en-US/gameclip/c58d9987-ad81-4903-9220-520dbfdbdae5?gamertag=Antwan3k&scid=0b3a0100-9af4-4630-9ade-66ca138f999e

i don't trust you so i won't click on your link

You try too hard.

It apparently doesn't play much I can't already play on the PC. I don't care about competing hardware, I care about what I can access that makes it worth my money.

Over dramatic with my outrage? Perhaps you don't value money then. Am I being dramatic at the near loss of £500 including the extras? Did I need a a second gaming device in the same room which plays only the same games at a lower performance. I had to cut my losses with it, but it had lost so much value, that I pretty much lost that money.

Of course everyone else is fine with it not having Kinect, that was the choice they got, they knew the deal.

Day One it offered 'a console experience I couldn't get anywhere else', which is what I bought, is it still offering that? Considering Kinect doesn't exist and I can just plug an Xbox controller into my PC, I would easily argue not. Console exclusives are not good enough and that's not what was part of the original concept. I need it to differentiate itself.

It literally doesn't offer me anything. If I have a PC, then aren't I better off with the competing consoles? Play Xbox games on the PC and have access to Uncharted or whatever on the console and still have all the other functions Xbox One was trying to offer.

See, you're trying too hard to not listen and twist things, I said at multiple points that 'play anywhere' wasn't bad, in fact it's a good thing done right. Mid gen, not that's not done right. Because then it losses its usefulness to anyone who games on a desktop as well.

Gaming for me isn't about exclusives, it's about having a legitimate reason to own a gaming device, don't twist that into a fanboy thing, it's low. I play multiplats all the time, but exclusives are what helps people make their choices when they lay down their hard earned. When I buy a Nintendo platform, take a wild guess as to what games might have influenced that decision.

Given the choice as a PC gamer, I would have considered it pointless for me and would have saved that money. That's what this is about, the choice of knowing what I was getting. I basically just did a £500 lucky dip and ended up with a watered down PC. That is what the Xbox One is.

Playstation owners must be pissing themselves laughing at this cluster **** of a console.

@HalcyonScarlet: Again, you only account for a niche type of gamer that likely has his monster PC rig sitting right next to his living room TV.. In that case, Play Anywhere may have a limited appeal for you..

Fair enough..

But how about the rest of us?.. I have a decent laptop for gaming on the go and whenever I upgrade to a stronger PC, it'll be in my office, not plugged into my living room TV.. For the rest of us that value a console experience from their living room couch, the Xbox One (and Project Scorpio) have a definitive purpose.. And being able to buy a game once and play that game across all my devices is a great feature for most any gamer..

So I guess I'll leave it at that and agree to disagree.. You have a very niche set-up and preference imo and that's fine.. Not everyone else feels the way you do or the way I do and that's fine too..

But, if you want to not make this a "fanboy thing" then leave the PS4 out of the equation.. Because at the end of the day, none of these games are on PS4.. So unless cows want to build a Microsoft Windows 10 PC and buy Microsoft Xbox Live games from the Microsoft Windows Store, there's nothing to laugh about.. As far as Xbox fans are concerned, I guess we'll see ya online (which is a good thing for the Xbox Live community).. As far as Microsoft is concerned, they're glad you're buying Xbox Live enabled games from their Store too..

So that being said, please explain to me how PS4 fans benefit?.. Because you'll potentially buy a PS4 as your secondary device?.. Lol, who cares what you buy as your secondary purchase?.. Clearly you'll be playing all multiplats and Xbox games on your monster PC rig right?.. That's were your primary gaming is going to take place and Microsoft and Xbox Live will be on that device.. It's a win for the Xbox brand no matter how you slice it dude..

Monster gaming PC rig... Seriously? I had an i5 3470 and a GTX 750 Ti, that could outperform a Playstation 4. I now have an i7 3770 (something a touch more capable before replacing the motherboard) and a GTX 1060 6GB. You don't need a monster game rig to match or outperform consoles lol. So it's not really niche is it, especially since current gamers would get a GTX 1050 Ti. And my gaming goals is usually 60fps over maxing anything out. Also, considering how well the GTX 750 Ti, 950 have sold and how well the 1050 Ti and 1060 are selling, it's not really niche at that level, they're the mainstream level affordable PC graphics cards and they sell a shit ton at that level. Also graphics cards are even less niche now that even laptops can have desktop level GPUs without compromise thanks to Pascal.

I could argue 'play anywhere' is the niche feature. While nice, you'd have to find someone more interested in spreading out their games across devices over having different experiences such as PC/PS4, PC/Wii U or PC/Switch when that comes out. 'Play anywhere' certainly hasn't been a proven success bigger than that yet. So no, I highly doubt that I'm the one in the minority right now. That's you and your specific scenario.

As for secondary device, maybe I'll get a Switch at some point. I don't a agree with new consoles coming out every two or three years now. But Playstation 4 is always part of the equation, because it's always an option to the not so niche market of PC gamers who would want a console that differentiates itself to their PC. And since you don't need a monster PC, a Playstation 4 owner has access to Xbox games.

The only Xbox game I'm considering is FM 7 this time next year. But sure, Xbox win either way, I haven't won a thing with any of this.

Plenty to laugh about with how MS has handled their fans and their console.

@HalcyonScarlet: Lol I meant niche in terms of gamers who prefer to connect their gaming PCs to their living room tvs rather than simply plugging in a console (or even have their gaming PC in the same room near their living room TV).. It doesn't matter if it's low end or a monster rig, my statements still stand.. There's an overwhelming majority of gamers that prefer to play on their living room TV with a console rather than a plugging a gaming PC into their TV.. The console market is stronger than ever and nothing you say changes that.. And as such, regardless of exclusive content and despite my PCs, I'm still going to prefer to game in my living room from a console.. Xbox Play Anywhere simply allows my gaming to follow me from device to device and from location to location..

And again, who cares what you buy as your secondary device?.. If you want to buy a PS4, an Xbox, a Switch, or anything else in addition to your PC, that's great.. But your primary gaming of multiplats and Xbox Live games will be on your gaming PC (since it outperforms consoles).. That's a good deal for Microsoft, Xbox Live gamers, and developers of Xbox/Win10 games..

So yea, I'm still waiting for this hilarious punchline you keep referring to..

As soon as M$ announced this program, I sold my Xbone back to Gamestop, as I had no reason to continue to own one. It's bad for M$ because:

1. I have no need to pay for Xbox live on PC, so less revenue for M$.

2. The M$ store competes with Steam, Origin, ect. on Windows, the M$ store on Xbone has no competition. M$ has lower margins on the Windows store I would bet.

3. Lower Xbone install base/software sales over time (how much though is anyone's guess), possibly resulting in less ports to Xbone.

4. Low player counts for PC multiplayer games like Halo, where Xbone and PC players cannot cross streams do to an inherent advantage of having a mouse/keyboard setup. Low player counts may mean a bad experience for the customer, high return rate. Origin already has this problem with the PC version of Star Wars Battlefront.

It's amazing for consumers, don't get me wrong, but I'm not sure there is enough of a benefit to M$'s bottom line for this to make business sense. Maybe the goodwill towards gamers translates to additional sales or having games on both platforms helps sales a bit.

My PC isn't connected to any TV either. I've never seen the point in that.

Again your right, Xbox wins, I didn't still wasted a shit ton of money on something I didn't need. If I won anything would I care? You're also wrong, I haven't seen a great deal of anything interesting from Xbox in a while, outside of Forza, I don't see myself getting involved in much of anything from the Windows store.

Are you kidding me, the whole way MS has handled the Xbox One since conception up to now is a joke compared to how Sony have handled the PS4. And I said Playstation fans must be laughing, I'm not, I got fucked over. The PS4 has gone from strength to strength from conception to this point, with the entire industry. The Xbox One has gone from direction, to direction in a weak attempt to chase sales. MS and Xbox hasn't even tried to build up the Xbox One. It's like they just make knee jerk reactions to short term sales data. The funny thing is, every time MS show their weakness with some new direction in an attempt to chase sales, they seem to lose some fans trust. People trust consistency.

@csward:

1) plenty of console gamers will never have interest in PC gaming as their primary device (or even game on PC at all).. So there'll always be a core base of console players to support subscriptions..

2). The Xbox consoles compete with PlayStation and Nintendo consoles.. Competition or not, if you want to buy Gears of War 4, that's a software sale for Microsoft regardless of if you buy it on PC or console..

3) so combining your install base across both consoles and PCs will result in a smaller install base?.. No sir, that math makes no sense..

4) again, there will be more potential players, not less.. And developers can choose to segregate Kb/m and controller players however they see fit in order to benefit their game and their players.. and not all games are first-person shooters anyway..

So basically it's a waste of time for anyone to explain to you (what you were supposed to be asking people in the thread) the reason why the universal platform thing was bad for them?

look you asked people to explain to you something and when they do, you come back and counter with YOUR reasons why they should think it's good. lol dude No one gives a damn why YOU rationalize why something like this is good to you...you asked US why we don't feel that way. Just accept it and move on and stop trying to force people to agree with your perspective as it's not really a rational one to alot of us gamers.

@HalcyonScarlet: Currently, the general positive sentiments towards the Xbox team, the Xbox One S, Project Scorpio, and their recent sales momentum disagree with you sir..

Sorry that you got burned through.. But seeing that you claim that nothing interests you on Xbox anyway, I guess it doesn't matter much.. Apparently you weren't going to buy anything for your Xbox console regardless..

@casharmy: Lol it's called a discussion.. You're on a forum genius, that's what's supposed to happen here..

To clarify for the slow people in the crowd, OBVIOUSLY anything I say is MY opinion and MY preference.. It in no way devalues the statements of anyone who believes differently.. I'm just providing MY counterpoints..

Sales momentum?? Lol the xbone just got handed its ass in all sales fronts by the mighty Quad.

@Antwan3K:

Indeed.... Win10, half a billion gamers playing anywhere and growing. Sony/Nintendo who? lolol :P

Are you aware of what "momentum" means?

You can't have a discussion on this forum. It's practically a competition of who shouts the loudest by posting the most memes

@SecretPolice: Lol true.. I don't think cows realize the long-term impact of combining your software sales potential across both consoles and Windows 10 PC.. It may not be a major deal now but in coming years, as Windows 10 becomes the standard on PC, as the Windows Store eventually reaches feature parity with Steam, as UWP potentially becomes the standard for PC development instead of Win32, and as Xbox Play Anywhere expands and matures, the ramifications for the Xbox gaming service is absolutely massive..

Microsoft is in a position to exponentially increase their potential consumer base continually, regardless of the ups and downs of console sales.. PC is a solid standard that will be an anchor for their gaming division as new console hardware comes and goes..

For example, if Sony decides to reset their console install base with the PS5 and drop support for PS4, their software sales potential and online player base for PS5 drops to ground zero again.. If Microsoft decides to reset their console install base with whatever comes after Project Scorpio and drop support for Xbox One, they still have the Windows 10 install base of PCs (coupled with Xbox Play Anywhere) in order to ensure developers still have a massive pool of Xbox Live gamers to target even though the console install base is back to ground zero.. That means tons of leverage for Xbox Play Anywhere exclusives and tons of Xbox Live gamers to play online with on day one.. Again, THERE'S your clear benefit for Xbox console gamers..

But I guess you can't expect cows to see anything beyond their plastic box worship and the relatively short-term success of a single current-gen console (the PS4)..

Yeah, new buyers are happy, older owners may not be.

Doesn't mean it was okay to **** me over, and didn't and don't know what the future holds, so options are still open but what can I do.

By the end FM was the only game I was holding on to the box for. As soon as they made the statement that all future FM games were multiplat, that was that. In fact E3 was the last straw, when everything including Scalebound went multiplat.

@HalcyonScarlet: Again, sorry to see your disappointment.. Seems to me that being able to buy a game once and then play it seamlessly across two devices you already own is a no-brainer for being an obvious benefit.. But hey, everyone is different i suppose..

You should probably just sell you Xbox and just get the Xbox Live exclusives on your PC.. Absolutely nothing wrong with that.. Hopefully I'll see ya in Forza Horizon 3

I got rid of my Xbox One the day after E3 2016. They haven't retroactively made all games 'play anywhere'. They sell KI on the PC, but I think I had season 1 on the Xbox One already, so that's out.

I only play Forza MotorSport. Not too into FH games and they now cost too much to own both. I like to have all the content and owning a Forza game with all DLC and expansions can cost over £100. So I'll just stick to Forza Motorsport.

@HalcyonScarlet: Yea, I can only image that FM7 is going to look incredible on Project Scorpio and PC in 4K.. And VR support is going to be a likely selling point too..

Should be another outstanding entry in the series..

There are no counter points to other peoples opinion idiot. Talk about being "slow". Do you even know what the hell an opinion is?

Your opinion is not a counter point to someone else opinion. It's a different perspective and you either accept it or you don't. You clearly didn't want an answer to the question to the thread YOU created and hit back with childish and temper tantrum like responses to everyone who doesn't share your point of view.

DEAD/

@casharmy: Lol what?.. A differing opinion on a subject is indeed a counterpoint when logical and relevant details and elaborations are included..

You may think Doctor Strange was the best movie of the year.. That's your opinion.. I may disagree and cite another movie as being the best of the year and, as counter points, I expand upon my differing opinion in detail..

This doesn't mean either of us is definitively correct.. But we can offer points and counterpoints in order to support our differing views.. Are you really this slow?.. Lol wow..

/dead indeed

Indeed rodent, with a thread title that say "Can cows pleas explain..." you are indeed slow for making a fake thread acting as if you were asking a serious question when in fact you only wanted convince people of your opinion.

Again no one give a damn about your opinion on the matter, you asked the question and people told you why...they never asked for your xbot fanboy loyalty reasons why you worship the model nor do they care.

DONE/

So your Xbox is not really necessary then? got it.

No exclusives = failed console.

@Antwan3K said:

.. this is a bad thing:

I'm heading out of town for work and thanks to Xbox Play Anywhere, I already own several games for my new laptop and I'll be able to continue my Xbox gaming while away from home (complete with cloud saves and full Xbox Live support)..

And as time goes on, my Xbox Play Anywhere gaming library will continue to grow and live across both my console and my PCs..

Can cows please explain to me how this concept of "Xbox as a service" is a bad deal for Xbox gamers, the Xbox brand, and the Microsoft Xbox division?..

the "lolz teh Xbone has no exclusives!1!!" chatter has no basis beyond fanboy wars.. In the real world, Xbox Play Anywhere is a great deal for all parties concerned..

Microsoft already has an answer against Nintendo's Switch i.e. laptop with Windows 10 + Xbox Play Anywhere.