Can cows please explain how..

@casharmy: It is indeed a serious question and some people brought some interesting points and I offered counter-points..

You on the other hand are just acting like a whiny grade schooler who's mad that he can't intelligently express himself on this subject..

So on-topic:

Can you please explain to me how this concept of "Xbox as a service" is a bad deal for Xbox gamers, the Xbox brand, and the Microsoft Xbox division?..

My response was on the first page dufus, go read it and you'll have you're answer.

@Douevenlift_bro: So you think my Surface Book will provide a better living room gaming experience than my Xbox One console?.. Does this rationale extend to a Project Scorpio console coupled with a 65" 4K OLED TV with HDR as well since Scorpio also "wont have exclusives"?

Please elaborate.. As a person who prefers to game on his living room couch with a controller via a television, how does my Surface Book provide a superior experience than an Xbox console?

@casharmy: And I already addressed your statement.. Thanks for you contribution.. So I guess you have nothing else to add at this point beyond name-calling and whining?..

@ronvalencia: Indeed sir.. If you happen to already own a decent laptop in addition to your console, you are good to go

HDMI cable is your friend. Instead of buying a console to stream multiplat games lol

I was informing you not whining and again you were acting like a child because people didn't blindly follow your silly notion that they should blindly waste money of a system that is essentially worthless to them if they already own a PC.

THAT was whining here and it was all you did throughout this thread every time someone told you why owning xbone with the the universal platform thing was a waste of money.

@Douevenlift_bro: Copy.. If you think a Surface Book and an HDMI cable is going to provide a superior living room gaming experience than an Xbox One and/or Project Scorpio , then I question your sanity..

And as a side comment (and this is not directed at you particularly), I find it hilarious that cows think people will apparently jump through every hoop on the planet in order to play an Xbox Live game on their living room television EXCEPT for the obvious option of simply buying a $299 Xbox One S.. I mean, why in the hell would I want to drag out my laptop, putting unnecessary wear and tear on it, in order to game on my HDTV at a potentially lower quality than I would get with a dedicated console?.. Are you guys even trying anymore? Lol

lol he's going to tell you how wasting money on xbone while have a gaming PC is a great thing and the that MAJORITY of people thinks like him (don't know where he got that from lol)...so LIKE A LEMMING you should think like him too, and waste you money on a pointless xbone. LMAO.

We have a true MS shill on our hands with this one, I wouldn't be surprised if he was on MS's pay roll.

@casharmy: Piggybacking on other people's posts just makes you look even more sad.. Defend your claims on your own merits or don't even bother dude..

Edit: So the Surface Book is a gamIng PC now?.. I just want to make sure we get that on the record

LMAO...JUST LIKE I SAID!!!

You went from "asking a question" to "telling people" they aren't sane if they don't think like you.

Get this stealth marketing campaign MS payroll troll outta here lmao, Phil Spencer...is that you?

@casharmy: Lol and I guess you're the forum police now too huh.. Thanks for your input PC Principal, but I'm sure it isn't against the rules to take a jab at someone who was obviously making an absurd claim..

Well unless you actually believe a Surface Book would outperform what we know of Project Scorpio in terms of playing games on a 4K HDTV.. If that's the case, you're insane too..

No sir.. This is what I wrote in response to your comments on page 1:

"Please elaborate on how there is "nothing useful" about being to play these games on your gaming PC and, with that single purchase, you also own that same game on Xbox consoles.. How is there "nothing useful" about being able to start a game on your living room console and be able to continue your gameplay right where you left off from your PC in your office or on your laptop on the go?..

If you want to own a gaming PC and a PS4 console in addition to it for some measure of diversity from Sony first party games, that's a fair argument.. But surely you can concede that choosing to own a gaming PC and an Xbox One console in order to take advantage of the "buy once, play anywhere" nature of Xbox Play Anywhere is also a fair argument.." -Antwan3k

I asked for you to elaborate on your claims and if you would concede that "buy once, play anywhere" is a fair argument from a value perspective.. and what did you do?.. you disappeared and didn't show up again until page 4.. and from your 1st return post on page 4 until now, all you've been doing is piggybacking, whining, and making personal attacks..

And that just about sums up the reactions that sad little fanboys make when they can't form a coherent argument on their own.. just do yourself a favor, consider yourself owned, and exit this thread.. /DONE

@Antwan3K:

What's the Scorpio specs?

lol you can't own me with your opinion kiddo.

And if you hadn't noticed everyone in this thread, except for loyal xbox fanboys like you who are forced to rationalize how a console with no exclusives is good thing, disagrees with your stance.

Let me tell you a secret the guy you were arguing with before HalcyonScarlet was a HARD CORE xbox fan at the start of this generation, the universal platform thing is what made him abandon the xbox brand so it's not just "cows" as your narrow fanboy mind would like to paint it as.

lol nice effort on your part tho, you are really invested in this but no one is buying into the stupidity of your argument nor care for your "reasons" why someone should think like you.

You lose, argue with yourself no one is buying your garbage argument or opinion so cry a sea of salty rodent tears.

@casharmy: yep, nothing of substance to present I see.. just as I thought and ownage confirmed.. You have yet to address the questions I've posed in response to your comments and basically you're just going full fanboy at this point..

I also like how everyone in this thread who doesn't agree with your stance on this subject is an "Xbox fanboy".. hypocrisy goes well with your general ignorance..

And who cares if a person changes their perspective?.. it happens all the time.. I used to be a HARD CORE cow until the last year of the PS3/360 era and my perspective changed after finally buying a 360.. And for every person like HalcyonScarlet who was turned off by Xbox Play Anywhere, there are others who would have never considered PC gaming if it wasn't for XPA (myself included).. Heck a buddy of mine just bought a new laptop during Black Friday and he is the very definition of casual gamer. he bought the laptop with zero intention of gaming and had no idea Xbox Play Anywhere even existed.. After seeing his device, I told him that he can download Gears of War 4 to it since he bought it already on his Xbox One.. he did so and now he plays Gears on his laptop sometimes when he's away from home..

I know, I know, "cool story bro" but that's real life.. not everyone has interest in building PCs and not everyone cares about your fanboy definition of what an "exclusive" is.. some people just happen to own hardware with a relatively weak 2GB vRAM GPU in it at a bargain price and now they can play their Xbox games on there in addition to their console.. that's an obvious benefit and an obvious value.. I don't think I even need to qualify that with an "imo" dude.. just stop.. stop embarrassing yourself further by trying to twist what is essentially free access to your gaming library across several devices as a "bad thing".. only a fanboy like yourself would claim it as such..

And the saddest part?.. You're still so blinded by your obsession with consoles that you don't even see the writing on the wall.. Guys like HalcyonScarlet who sold their Xbox console because of Xbox Play Anywhere aren't giving up on Xbox gaming.. He's already said that he intends on picking up Forza Motorsport 7 for his rig.. And that means another software sale for an Xbox game and another player to race with on Xbox Live.. So even HE proves the point of this thread: There is no downside for Microsoft's Xbox division or Xbox Live gamers.. For some outdated reason, you seem to think that console sales are the only way for Microsoft to get software sales and for Xbox Live to get online players.. Well guess what?.. Clearly not.. Regardless of if you game on console, PC, or both, "Xbox wins" (which is a direct quote from your HARD CORE savior HalcyonScarlet)..

The truth is right there in front of you but you're just a mad cow.. Nothing more than a salty slice of beef..

LMAOOOOO!

Tlhbo

I've noticed over my years on this forum that when a fanboy can't come up with a credible counterpoint, they simply spam something along the lines of "LMAO TLHBO!"..

thanks for continuing to confirm that observation..

@Antwan3K: You are the master destroyer of cows in System Wars! BRAVO!!!! XBRO's 4 LIFE!

'hardcore', I have no recollection of the event in question your honour, lol ;-).

The day MS showed their cowardice and dropped the Kinect, I declared Playstation 4 the winner. That's when I decided to get a graphics card for my PC and got the GTX 750 Ti. I pretty much stopped using Xbox One outside of Forza Motorsport and netflix etc, really. That was the one exclusive I was holding on to the thing for, and that felt wrong, like an expensive luxary thing you use only for one thing doesn't seem right, does it.

Then it went down hill with all the price drops, the thing lost value quicker than out of date food. The final straw was as you stated, when I realised everything went multiplat. Forza going to the PC, Scalebound going to the PC.

The thing that stung after all that, was that I had to pay £100 freaking pounds to get it repaired, because it developed a slow HDD problem out of warranty. And it wasn't my fault, I've heard of others with this problem. The salt in the wound is that if it was a PC or a PS4, I could have a) fixed it myself cheaper and b) used a Western Digital HDD, which for me has always been reliable. At first I refused, because of the frustration, and used the £100 to get a second hand Xbox 360E, which I still use all the time. Then I just did it and eventually got rid of the Xbox One, it was offensive just to have it in sight.

The Xbox One has been a complete freak show for me. I don't want to know how much money I cut my losses with, when I got rid of the thing, including accessories and digital content. It was so bad it turned me from a console gamer since the SNES to a PC gamer.

I didn't consider a PS4, because at the time a) I wasn't convinced by the 8th gen offerings and b) I had a PC which was literally a graphics card away from being gaming ready and the GTX 750 Ti was £120.

Who said it was bad? With that said, I don't need an Xbox to play either of those games. Can just play straight on my computer.

@Antwan3K: Oh look, you got Remote Play too! That's great, man!

Teach us teacher

lol, "xbros".. gonna have to use that lol

cows sir.. irrational mad cows..

and that's kind of the point: you can now play Xbox games from whatever device you prefer and/or whatever device is more convenient for you at the moment..

Which cow said it was a bad thing?

I'm hardly brand loyal, but Sony brought the heat for this crappiest gen while MS only brought tepidness. Now I don't like the direction either company is going in. Sony with its crappy VR and Pro, and MS with its Scorpio. I think most people would have preferred shorter gens with guaranteed BC.

@Antwan3K: Cows love their single player games, which means they're always lonely, while we have a social life and have a good time in Xbox Live, which why I call us Xbros!

lol look no further than this very thread to see the answer to that question..

And I could see your point on the new direction of console gaming but arguably PSVR, PS4 Pro, and Project Scorpio are just options for those that interested.. if you currently own a PS4 or Xbox One, you don't need to buy any of those devices.. But if you really care about VR and/or increased performance, those devices are great options for you. I don't really see the problem..

I do think that Microsoft has the better plan for when the next console generation begins though.. As I mentioned in a previous post, when the PS5 releases (and PS4 support is dropped for new games), Sony will essentially be starting all over again from ground zero in terms of install base and PSN online community numbers for PS5 games.. By contrast, thanks largely in part to Xbox Play Anywhere, whenever Microsoft does the same with a true next gen console, developers will have a combined install base of Windows 10 PC gamers to target in conjunction with the early adopters of the new Xbox console.. Plus Xbox Live player numbers for new online games will be high as well thanks to those PC players.. Again, this is the reason why not only PC gamers benefit from Xbox Play Anywhere but Xbox console fans benefit as well.. and this is not to mention the leverage Microsoft will have for Xbox/Win10 3rd party exclusives in comparison to what Sony would potentially be able to garner with a ground zero install base for PS5..

in the long-term, this is a huge power play for Microsoft and the Xbox division..

Exclusive is a perception of feeling special that you own a platform that has games no one else can play unless they are a fellow 'member' of the club. Hardware also gives some this perception such as PC fanboys feel special when they can play a popular game with more graphical prowess and performance. To be in the 'club' is a bond, a good ol boy fellowship that can band together in the amusement of belittling those that perceptually have a lesser experience.

You bring up some good points, but who's to say that the PS5 won't have full(ish) BC? That's just an odd assumption to make right now. The only reason Sony balked at doing it with the PS4 is the PS3's convoluted "teh cell" architecture.

Besides, not all of us can afford a gaming PC/laptops. From my viewpoint all these mid-gen upgrades are doing are causing even more game delays and is just plain dumb having VR on consoles at this time.

I'm sorry to be a pain in the dick, but what the hell is a "cow"? I've seen this term popping up recently, and it's bizarre. Are cows the new sheep?

Cows are PlayStation fans, Lems are Xbox fans, Manitores are all gaming device fans.

Cows are gamers, unlike lemmings who are mostly butthurted fanboys. Sheep are mysterious and nobody understands them, not even themselves, so they are generally mistrusted. Hermits are also gamers, it's like what lemmings would like to be but their butthurt doesn't allow them. Manticores are kings and have a duty to own lemmings and defend real gaming from factions trying to destroy it.

Hm. Is this a GameSpot forums thing?

Yes, it is a Gamespot thing. It is specific to the forums only, System Wars section only.

And you say it as if it was a bad thing. I happen to be one of those who prefers single player experiences games like Witcher 3, Doom 2016, Uncharted 4, to name a few. Even playing MS games, I mainly stick to single player for Halo games anyways then playing MP.

You also forgot Hermits are PC Gamer fans, Sheep are Nintendo fans. Above all, I'm just a Manticore.

@kvally: I see. Thanks guys for explaining. Based on these definitions, I guess I'm a Manticore. :P

I did forget yes, I couldn't remember those names. But yup, being a manticore is the best route to enjoy all games. Why would anyone want to limit themselves unless there was a financial burden for them?

Nice! Glad to have another one of us represent!

Remember to own lems so that we can make the gaming community better. Thanks for your service fellow Manticore.

Haha, I (think) I do this pretty regularly here - but not in a pejorative way, hopefully. Basically, I'm passionate about all games no matter the platform. If I could own every game platform in history, I probably would, haha. Well, if I had unlimited money and space anyway. :P

Nailed it! That is the best way my friend. Best of all worlds. It's a win win for you (and us).