Can MAG be done on 360 ? yes or no

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Explain to me how it works that when epic says gears of war cant be done on ps3 it's with a grain of salt but with zipper it isn't? If anything Epic should be a more reliable source since they designed their engine to be multiplat, right?

Doctor-McNinja

Maybe try reading the whole thread to see the point I'm making. kthx.

[QUOTE="2mrw"][QUOTE="i_am_interested"] i believe that they believe that they cant make 512 work on 256, i believe that to be true luckily the ps3 doesnt have just 256i_am_interested

thats because the interview was most likely conducted before importance of SPUs came about, where companies had no idea of what they were capable of when it came to graphics, as if the other 256 was just used for game code and not graphics, game code isnt very ram intensive

then all of a sudden killzone 2 came out and everyone was going "OMG the SPUs"

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] except like ive said multiple times that people choose to ignore

mag isnt just about dedicated server hardware, although it plays an important role, the architecture allows for a game like MAG because of the interaction between the servers and the cell processor

wii + dedicated servers = MAG right? wrong, its not only because of the dedicated servers

and dont bring up the RSX because MAG hardly uses it

i_am_interested

There have been mmo's for years that go beyond anything mag does and can run on a fraction of the hardware. The cell isn't some magical piece of silicon that works miracles.

mag isnt just about dedicated server hardware, although it plays an important role, the architecture allows for a game like MAG because of the interaction between the servers and the cell processor

wii + dedicated servers = MAG right? wrong, its not only because of the dedicated servers

and dont bring up the RSX because MAG hardly uses it

So Mag hardly uses the RSX how is that even possible?

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"]

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

Explain to me how it works that when epic says gears of war cant be done on ps3 it's with a grain of salt but with zipper it isn't? If anything Epic should be a more reliable source since they designed their engine to be multiplat, right?

topgunmv

Maybe try reading the whole thread to see the point I'm making. kthx.

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

[QUOTE="windsquid9000"]

Every PS3 exclusive can only be done on the PS3 :roll:

EDIT: About the player-count. Quality >>>>>>> Quantity. 'Nuff said.

DarkGamer007

so youre saying the creaters of MAG are all wrong ?

Given the fact that

1) They have never developed a game for the Xbox 360

2) The PC could easily handle MAG.

Yes they are wrong.

why must ever thread include pc this is clearly about consoles

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

so youre saying the creaters of MAG are all wrong ?

13C

Given the fact that

1) They have never developed a game for the Xbox 360

2) The PC could easily handle MAG.

Yes they are wrong.

why must ever thread include pc this is clearly about consoles

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

so youre saying the creaters of MAG are all wrong ?

13C

Given the fact that

1) They have never developed a game for the Xbox 360

2) The PC could easily handle MAG.

Yes they are wrong.

why must ever thread include pc this is clearly about consoles

Edit: 2003.

[QUOTE="topgunmv"]

[QUOTE="Doctor-McNinja"] How many developers have said X game is only possible on Y console? How many times have their claims seemed reasonable or legitimate? How many developers claim they've pushed whatever console to its very limit, or 'only used 10% of the powah!' They're all vexatious claims designed to build up a little hype and make their game look unique.

Doctor-McNinja

Maybe try reading the whole thread to see the point I'm making. kthx.

If you can't be bothered to follow the conversation then don't intervene in it. Cheers.

[QUOTE="AgentA-Mi6"]

I have to repeat myself here, what PR are you people talking about? He was one of the game designers behind MAG, he said that remark during the interview with gamespot, he is not part of the public relations staff. Cliff bleszinski has a full time job with microsofts PR department I guess, working occasionally for EPIC must be just his hobby.

AnnoyedDragon

Just because you are not part of the PR department doesn't mean you are not going to bash the competition. You can hardly expect someone on Sony's payroll is going to say 360 can run the game, Sony has been pushing the PS3 as a technical marvel since day one.

Lol at all the Cows acting like 255 players is some technical marvel, and LOL at Zippers statement.

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If you can't be bothered to follow the conversation then don't intervene in it. Cheers.

topgunmv

And indeed, reading 12 pages of posts is not essential to comment on your point in the slightest. You made a comment on Epic saying Gears could only be done on the 360 and compared that to Zipper's comments; i made a point that comments like that are made by developers all the time, along with similar comments, and they all have the same purpose of drumming up hype and needn't be compared in terms of legitimacy or authority.

Rather than reply you just tell me to go read all your other posts, which has no baring on my point whatsoever.

Every PS3 exclusive can only be done on the PS3 :roll:

EDIT: About the player-count. Quality >>>>>>> Quantity. 'Nuff said.

windsquid9000

[QUOTE="13C"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Given the fact that

1) They have never developed a game for the Xbox 360

2) The PC could easily handle MAG.

Yes they are wrong.

Doctor-McNinja

why must ever thread include pc this is clearly about consoles

common sense does not dictate that the 360 can handle something the pc can. The 360 cpu is very diff from the ps3. The ps3 could very well be the only console capable of handling the amount of player data. Ps3s ram is also more efficient

Lol at all the Cows acting like 255 players is some technical marvel, and LOL at Zippers statement.

Ultra_Combo

on a console. In a game that plays like a fps and not a mmo. Im sure you can point out another

[QUOTE="13C"]

[QUOTE="DarkGamer007"]

Given the fact that

1) They have never developed a game for the Xbox 360

2) The PC could easily handle MAG.

Yes they are wrong.

WilliamRLBaker

why must ever thread include pc this is clearly about consoles

Edit: 2003.

That proved no reason why pc should be mention in what is clearly a console vs console thread.

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"][QUOTE="topgunmv"]

There have been mmo's for years that go beyond anything mag does and can run on a fraction of the hardware. The cell isn't some magical piece of silicon that works miracles.

WilliamRLBaker

yeah, simple "server 101" that must be why zipper patented their architecture, its working along side the SPUs, it isnt just the server itself

"calculate stuff for your character" - really? sounds like some old school thinking, i guess thats where the "server 101" comes from, kind of sounds like youre describing planetside and not MAG

all of MAGs combat is dynamically calculated in real time and gives it the feeling of any other FPS as opposed to feeling like an MMO, the same cant be said for planetside

Your reply has nothing to do with the point, that man is not part of Sony's PR talk nor did he did mention the 360 specifically he said "Basically one that could only be done on the PlayStation 3.", salaxis said that sony needed to hire new PR staff and Zipper interactive is just another studio with game designers, guys with opinions biased or not that is beyond the point, it has nothing to do with with the fact that PR staff wasn't involved at all.AgentA-Mi6

You are far too focused on job allocation to listen to what I am saying, he isn't from public relations so you expect him to not behave like a Sony employee.

If you refuse to recognise a employee from Sony will continue Sony's marketing lines; then what more can I say?

common sense does not dictate that the 360 can handle something the pc can.

13C

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

Lol at all the Cows acting like 255 players is some technical marvel, and LOL at Zippers statement.

13C

on a console. In a game that plays like a fps and not a mmo. Im sure you can point out another

[QUOTE="13C"]

common sense does not dictate that the 360 can handle something the pc can.

Doctor-McNinja

Um, yeah it does. Unless we're talking something crazy-sophisticated in terms of horsepower like Crysis, pretty much 90% of big-hitter PC games have released on the 360 as well. Heck, even Supreme Commander got a 360 version.Doctor-McNinja

It depends how the game is designed.

PC memory isn't for show, if it is mostly being used to pre-load information; then perhaps it can be converted to streaming. However if a game is designed to use a vast quantity of ram at once; then you are looking at having to cut down the game to fit.

a PC/360 cross platform game isn't evidence 360 can run all PC games, it means the game was designed within 360s capabilities.

[QUOTE="13C"]

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

Lol at all the Cows acting like 255 players is some technical marvel, and LOL at Zippers statement.

Doctor-McNinja

on a console. In a game that plays like a fps and not a mmo. Im sure you can point out another

It is a major selling point. It takes team work. Lots of team work across many ppl. Its not like ther no interaction at all between diff teams. We may take on diff objectives on a large map at the same time but we still rely on them and them us.

More players, thats what mag has, more players, so how is this amazing again? does it make the FPS genre that much more fun?

nope, borring

More players, thats what mag has, more players, so how is this amazing again? does it make the FPS genre that much more fun?

nope, borring

jeezers

[QUOTE="Ultra_Combo"]

Lol at all the Cows acting like 255 players is some technical marvel, and LOL at Zippers statement.

13C

on a console. In a game that plays like a fps and not a mmo. Im sure you can point out another

Oh because there not another one that means it's a technical marvel, quit fooling yourself dude if it was something revolutionary I'm sure the scores would reflect it.

It is a major selling point. It takes team work. Lots of team work across many ppl. Its not like ther no interaction at all between diff teams. We may take on diff objectives on a large map at the same time but we still rely on them and them us.

13C

Only no; as i just said Crysis is a game which requires immense horsepower to pull off from a developer who has never been interested in consoles beforeDoctor-McNinja

It's not a matter of horsepower, if it was just horsepower they could have just scaled the graphical settings, CryEngine 2 is highly scalable. What they couldn't scale was how the game was designed, which is the same whether you are running it on maximum or minimum settings.

Here is the ram usage of some cross platform games.

Note how low it is? Crysis uses around 800mb-1GB+ ram, STALKER CS typically uses over a GB of ram. Not all PC games use this, Cryostasis for example uses the sort of memory you would expect from a cross platform game, that's because that game in particular is designed for small claustrophobic environments.

PC games aren't inherently able to run on 360, developers just design their games to accommodate 360s capability.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="13C"]

why must ever thread include pc this is clearly about consoles

13C

Edit: 2003.

That proved no reason why pc should be mention in what is clearly a console vs console thread.

[QUOTE="furomaster_99"]

[QUOTE="i_am_interested"] they can say whatever they want about the technology involved and the amount of processing power necessary in order for it to play up to its current standards, its their game and they developed it

they know exactly what the PPE is capable of, obviously you dont because you have no idea that 95% of the game is running on the processor, they know exactly where MAG can be done, not some 256 player game LIKE MAG, MAG

youre probably saying to yourself "but but but the xenos is more powerful than the rsx" doesnt matter when it comes to real time combat calculation of 256 players online

and just so we're clear, somebody please tell me the highest amount of players on a game on xbox 360, just so we're clear at this point at least

mitu123

Uh does FF11 count?Jesus_on_fire

This argument does not suit the TC's purpose in bashing the 360, so it will not be allowed.

A Sony first party developer saying it's game can only be done on Sony's console?!?!?!? SHOCKING!!!

In other news: Quality=/=Quantity

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

probably because in 1998 planet side on pc....on a pentium 3 1ghz

Edit: 2003.

13C

That proved no reason why pc should be mention in what is clearly a console vs console thread.

no the thread is about if a game like MAG is possible on the 360. since we know that the 360 is much more powerful than the PCs that could run similar games in the past it's pretty easy to conclude that a game like MAG it's technically possible on the 360. you see ppl aren't saying "PC can do it so HA!" they are saying "Because it was down on PC's with much less hardware it's only logical that it could be down on the 360 as well".

I really dont see why this could not be done on the 360. Yes, the PS3 has more CPU power but im not sure that makes a difference in the 256 players, its the server that has to be able to handle it. djsifer01

I been playing mag its a fun game but it has done nothingdifferent than the hundreds of fps done before sept have the highest team count and is pretty muchbattlefield with more players.

Mag is not a graphically good looking game either prob one of the worst looking fps of this gen. 360 could easy have a game with 256 players as long as it has servers.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Yes, it could easily be done on the Xbox 360.methinksyou

Does anybody really care though? MAG really doesn't seem impressive to me, its hard enough making a team of 30 people that are actually competent enough to have on your team, this game must be a complete head ache.

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

If you believe them, then you'll also believe Epic said Gears of War can't be done on PS3.;)

mitu123

who should we believe if not the creators of the game ? fanboys

when did Epic say that ? please show

Since Epic is working with the PS3 hardware and the Xbox 360 hardware could Gears of War ever work on the Playstation 3? "256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB."

:lol: This is where the thread should have ended.

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="drakecool1"]

who should we believe if not the creators of the game ? fanboys

when did Epic say that ? please show

EndorphinMaster

Since Epic is working with the PS3 hardware and the Xbox 360 hardware could Gears of War ever work on the Playstation 3? "256 MB of RAM makes a huge difference. There is no way we could ever do Gears of War on 256, we had trouble fitting everything on 512MB."

:lol: This is where the thread should have ended.

they never said it was impossible to do on ps3, just impossible to do on the ps3's dedicated 256 for the rsx, just some "journalist" mixing words

this article was written back in 2006, im sure epic was an expert on using the other 256xd for graphics back then

No. Live would have to cost $100 a yr. ;)

LOXO7

Im sure it could, but they would have to remake it from the ground up, but I believe that It would be exactly the same game on both consoles. Zipper works for Sony so them saying only the ps3 can do it isnt much proof.

yes, it's perfectly feasible but just like MAG - would take a lot of work

besides there's nothing about the PS3 that would've led anybody to believe it was possible on the platform prior to MAG being debuted, i don't know why suddenly the same can't be said for the 360

the real question isn't "can" but "should" Microsoft fund a massive project similar to MAG, since technical differences aren't so big this gen

It seems that everytime there is a PS3 exclusive it can ONLY BE DONE ON PS3.