Can the power of the PS3 overcome....WALMART? o_0

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"][QUOTE="KingManifest"]

I'm not a Redneck/whitetrash hypocrit (Like those seen on Pen and Tellers bullsh*t TV show)

 

But...

 

 

Walmart Sucks :|

WickeeKing

liking WalMart was not part of the requirement to respect them or their impact on America (and the world).

Nope, Walmart has had no impact on the world outside America and the 3rd world countries they exploit to keep prices cheap.

Walmart is ok to me at least due to convince and the fact that it is the only thing you can have.

Although if I had to choose, I would take Best Buy/Curcuit City over Walmart. The big electronic chains have a better variety of stuff than a Walmart.

Why do PS3 users think anything from Sony is beyond anything that even NASA has. Most seem to think the PS3 is the next comming.

1- Blue-ray is FAR more advanced then HD-DVD.

2-The cell is the biggest marvel to ever hit gaming and electronic world.

3- Heck many PS3 users still think they are really able to cure cancer with their PS3.

4- Every singlge PS3 game that is a PS3 exclusive is a game that 360 could not even run like Lair....YA OK WHATEVER

It is just funny hearing them talk about Blue-Ray

1. Clarifying the 1080p issue. Filmwise, both BD and HD DVD are fully capable of 1080p resolution. The only resolution exclusive to either format is 1080p60 (BD). However, movies are filmed at 24fps and HDTV's 19Mbit/sec bandwidth doesn't allow for 1080p60 footage, limiting the potential sources of 1080p footage--basically, BD 1080p60 discs would have to be specially recorded just for that format.

2. It is no secret that HD-DVD is a more cost-effective than BD, especially when working from an existing DVD plant. Rather than buy all-new equipment, you simply need to retool the existing plants.

3. HD-DVD has one more advantage which can come into play in the transition period--combo discs, with DVD and HD on the same disc. Only HD-DVD can have this because only HD is endorsed by the DVD Forum. 

Walmart is ok to me at least due to convince and the fact that it is the only thing you can have.

Although if I had to choose, I would take Best Buy/Curcuit City over Walmart. The big electronic chains have a better variety of stuff than a Walmart.

BlazeDragon132

[QUOTE="JiveT"][QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]

Ya know, alot of people here really do seem to discount Wal-Mart. It has been said it is the country's biggest retailer and that is true.

We must have a crapload of big city gamers who post here. Why is Wal-Mart so big?? Because they are EVERYWHERE.

For instance, I may prefer White Castle burgers to McDonalds, but guess what, there are 3 McDonalds in my town of 17,000 and the closest White Castle is an hour away.

In my particular town, Wal-mart is the biggest seller of game software because the nearest Bestbuy, Gamestop, EBgames etc is an hour away.

My HD TV came from Wal-Mart, not because I am a hillbilly, but because they are close and had the cheapet prices.

Therefore you guys who have lots of choices of where to shop can say one thing, but you add up all the small towns/cities across America and Wal-Mart makes a big impact.

_koolgirl_

Yeah there's a lot of elitist talk in the board especially from PS3 owners. This news is terrifying to them because it means their 600 investment is all but worthless. After losing gaming exclusives they come to find out their movie player is about to get blown out of the water as well. So the venom level goes through the roof. When Spiderman 3 comes out on HD-DVD you should see the end of cowdom as we know it. Most will take false names. Some will take their lives. Others will declare they were lemmings all along. It should be an event on par with the tearing down of the Berlin Wall. ;)

SNAP, I forgot to add one thing. Am I the only one who finds it funny that studios like Disney say they support Bluray yet have yet to produce a single Blu Ray Movie?????????? In reality is Disney sitting on the fence waiting for one to do well or has Disney actually put out a Blu Ray disc??? Maybe they have and I missed it?

If HD Dvd really takes off due to someone as walmart, the movie studios will follow. Especially if they have been sitting back waiting.

Right now I don't think many are buying stand alone players. The only reason Blu ray has been doing better is because several PS3 owners bought the sytem for that and the lack of game software for the system has meant a jump in movie media (PS3 owners need to justify the puchase somehow).

Just IMO

Both of you are pretty much just fantasising. Sure Walmart could supply consumers with 2 million cheap HD-DVD players but that does not mean they will automatically sell. Do you think the majority of walmart shoppers have 1080p TV's? Do you even think the majority of walmart shoppers who will look into to a $200 HD-DVD player (for all we know, it could be a crappy one) will have a normal HDTV? If blu-ray get all the movies that consumers like and HD-DVD doesn't, the player will not sell well.

And what is this talk of no disny blu-ray movies how about this one ? Or this one ? Or this one ? Or this one ? Buenna Vista = Disney There are tons of Disney movies and HD-DVD doesn't get any, sure some consumers will buy the cheap HD-DVD player but after they find out they can't watch movies like those and spiderman 3, do you really think they'll keep their player? Plus, this is suppose to happen at the end of the year, sony already announced it's going to come out with a blu-ray player for $600. And that's sony! Surly meaning there will be $400 and $300 blu-ray players by then. P.S. Spiderman 3 will never come to HD-DVD. It's a sony specific movie and sony would rather go bankrupt that give HD-DVD spiderman 3. And seeing how sony made a billion dollars in profit last year even with the cost's of the ps3, I don't see them going bankrupt any time soon...

Man, I cant believe what some people are saying on this forum.  You do know this is walmart we are talking about. I bought my 360 from walmart and I have not had a single problem with it. Plus, I buy a lot of DVDs from walmart.  Trust me, If Walmart has those HD-DVD players on sell on black friday, all 2 million of them will go in one day, People will walk out of walmart with a 40inch plasma and HD-DVD player for under $1000. Thats less then I paid for my 32inch HDTV.

And for who ever says that the lack of movie choices will stop sales. I bet you by the time these cheap players launch, we will see plenty of exclusive BR movies in HD-DVD. and the more moives that come over to HD-DVD, this will make me want to buy the 360 attachment.

[QUOTE="_koolgirl_"][QUOTE="JiveT"][QUOTE="_koolgirl_"]

Ya know, alot of people here really do seem to discount Wal-Mart. It has been said it is the country's biggest retailer and that is true.

We must have a crapload of big city gamers who post here. Why is Wal-Mart so big?? Because they are EVERYWHERE.

For instance, I may prefer White Castle burgers to McDonalds, but guess what, there are 3 McDonalds in my town of 17,000 and the closest White Castle is an hour away.

In my particular town, Wal-mart is the biggest seller of game software because the nearest Bestbuy, Gamestop, EBgames etc is an hour away.

My HD TV came from Wal-Mart, not because I am a hillbilly, but because they are close and had the cheapet prices.

Therefore you guys who have lots of choices of where to shop can say one thing, but you add up all the small towns/cities across America and Wal-Mart makes a big impact.

munu9

Yeah there's a lot of elitist talk in the board especially from PS3 owners. This news is terrifying to them because it means their 600 investment is all but worthless. After losing gaming exclusives they come to find out their movie player is about to get blown out of the water as well. So the venom level goes through the roof. When Spiderman 3 comes out on HD-DVD you should see the end of cowdom as we know it. Most will take false names. Some will take their lives. Others will declare they were lemmings all along. It should be an event on par with the tearing down of the Berlin Wall. ;)

SNAP, I forgot to add one thing. Am I the only one who finds it funny that studios like Disney say they support Bluray yet have yet to produce a single Blu Ray Movie?????????? In reality is Disney sitting on the fence waiting for one to do well or has Disney actually put out a Blu Ray disc??? Maybe they have and I missed it?

If HD Dvd really takes off due to someone as walmart, the movie studios will follow. Especially if they have been sitting back waiting.

Right now I don't think many are buying stand alone players. The only reason Blu ray has been doing better is because several PS3 owners bought the sytem for that and the lack of game software for the system has meant a jump in movie media (PS3 owners need to justify the puchase somehow).

Just IMO

Both of you are pretty much just fantasising. Sure Walmart could supply consumers with 2 million cheap HD-DVD players but that does not mean they will automatically sell. Do you think the majority of walmart shoppers have 1080p TV's? Do you even think the majority of walmart shoppers who will look into to a $200 HD-DVD player (for all we know, it could be a crappy one) will have a normal HDTV? If blu-ray get all the movies that consumers like and HD-DVD doesn't, the player will not sell well.

And what is this talk of no disny blu-ray movies how about this one ? Or this one ? Or this one ? Or this one ? Buenna Vista = Disney There are tons of Disney movies and HD-DVD doesn't get any, sure some consumers will buy the cheap HD-DVD player but after they find out they can't watch movies like those and spiderman 3, do you really think they'll keep their player? Plus, this is suppose to happen at the end of the year, sony already announced it's going to come out with a blu-ray player for $600. And that's sony! Surly meaning there will be $400 and $300 blu-ray players by then. P.S. Spiderman 3 will never come to HD-DVD. It's a sony specific movie and sony would rather go bankrupt that give HD-DVD spiderman 3. And seeing how sony made a billion dollars in profit last year even with the cost's of the ps3, I don't see them going bankrupt any time soon...

I don't know about the majority of Wal-Mart shoppers, but as I said I live in a smaller community where the majority of consumers get EVERYTHING from Wal-Mart.  I personally know 2 other people who bought HDTV's from Wal-Mart not including myself (bringing the count to 3 of just people I personally know).  Wal-mart shoppers don't care if it is a "crappy" one, what they care about is it is new and all of sudden they can actually afford it.

As far as Disney is concerned I specifically said i could be wrong.  Thanks for linking to a few.  Still I see no "heavy hitters" in there.  No Peter Pan, Lady and the Tramp, Fox and the Hound, etc etc etc. 

There are tons of Disney Blu ray??  You mean the 4 movies you pointed out?  Two of which are Buena Vista Movies most have never heard of?????

BTW, you seem far too proud over Spiderman 3.   Yeah for PS3 owners!!  You get to buy a Sony Pictures movie on Sony's format (Blu Ray) to play on your Sony Hardware (a Ps3?) hopefully (as far as Sony is concerned) on your Sony big screen TV.  Who is trying to get a monopoly again?? ;)

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind releases tomorrow!!  Great movie!  93% at Rottentomatoes.com

#40 all time on IMBd's Top 250

Too bad a movie like this doesn't really appeal to the hords of PS3/BD fanboys that think Ghostrider, Spiderman, and Fantastic Four with Silver Surfer will end the format war. 

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind releases tomorrow!! Great movie! 93% at Rottentomatoes.com

#40 all time on IMBd's Top 250

Too bad a movie like this doesn't really appeal to the hords of PS3/BD fanboys that think Ghostrider, Spiderman, and Fantastic Four with Silver Surfer will end the format war.

m3Boarder32

More failing generalizations, I couldn't expect any less. It's a decent movie. A little off the wall if you ask me. I mean, what about that movie is going to benefit from the HD treatment? Them sitting in the car listening to the tapes from the doctor's office? Or laying on the ice? 

A nice attempt Jim. And of course, an artsy hipster film with a premise such as this will score well at RT.com. But that's all Universal can bank on anymore with HD-DVD, the back catalog. I don't even think they have a film in the Top 20 right now. Pathetic. And if you ask me, when it comes to comedians doing more serious work, Adam Sandler was way better in Reign Over Me. There is a movie dealing with real life tragedy and issues. 

[QUOTE="MattBrian"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]If it was talking about Blue-Ray and not HD-DVD dont you think Sony or at least someone from the Blue-Ray camp would have corrected this by now?. Face it PS3 users. You were forced into a blue-ray and now there is a chance Blue-ray might not win. Do not be mad at this thread or the TC or even Wal-Mart. You should be mad at Sony. MS does not look so dumb now since they give 360 owners a choice. No matter which drive wins 360 owners will be able to pop in a hard drive of the winner. While PS3 owners are not given same choice.m3Boarder32

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13678-2+millions+of+Blu-Ray+players+for+Walmart.html

The symbol 藍光 means "blue". That's it, not "Blue-ray" use google translator if you dont belive me. Or Bablefish

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

You caN even Google the above symbols, and you get this:

藍光- Wikipedia

- 簡 - [ 轉為繁體網頁 - Translate this page ]

CLICK on "Translate this page"

What did you get?

Check out the "Bluray Player" forum at AVSFORUM.COM

85% of the Bluray forum believes it's about HD DVD. The freaking Bluray forum!! If i made this poll in the HD DVD forum at avsforum.com then it would have been over 95% thinking it's about HD DVD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10359337&posted=1#post10359337

Also, answer me this...Where is "Blu-ray" in the original chinese article? I don't see "Blu-ray" anywhere, only "HD DVD" they even spelt "HD DVD" correctly, without the hyphen. The trademarked name is "HD DVD" not "HD-DVD"

Quoting because...well...everyone seemed to ignore it. 

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind releases tomorrow!! Great movie! 93% at Rottentomatoes.com

#40 all time on IMBd's Top 250

Too bad a movie like this doesn't really appeal to the hords of PS3/BD fanboys that think Ghostrider, Spiderman, and Fantastic Four with Silver Surfer will end the format war.

TekkenMaster606

More failing generalizations, I couldn't expect any less. It's a decent movie. A little off the wall if you ask me. I mean, what about that movie is going to benefit from the HD treatment? Them sitting in the car listening to the tapes from the doctor's office? Or laying on the ice?

A nice attempt Jim. And of course, an artsy hipster film with a premise such as this will score well at RT.com. But that's all Universal can bank on anymore with HD-DVD, the back catalog. I don't even think they have a film in the Top 20 right now. Pathetic. And if you ask me, when it comes to comedians doing more serious work, Adam Sandler was way better in Reign Over Me. There is a movie dealing with real life tragedy and issues.

No worries,  with the recent HD DVD/Walmart announcement Fox, and Disney will be nuetral by the end of the year.  It's not like Fox is doing much of anything right now anyway.  What have they released, 2 movies in the last 2 months?  They have no movies scheduled for the rest of the year..

[QUOTE="m3Boarder32"][QUOTE="MattBrian"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]If it was talking about Blue-Ray and not HD-DVD dont you think Sony or at least someone from the Blue-Ray camp would have corrected this by now?. Face it PS3 users. You were forced into a blue-ray and now there is a chance Blue-ray might not win. Do not be mad at this thread or the TC or even Wal-Mart. You should be mad at Sony. MS does not look so dumb now since they give 360 owners a choice. No matter which drive wins 360 owners will be able to pop in a hard drive of the winner. While PS3 owners are not given same choice.Dreams-Visions

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13678-2+millions+of+Blu-Ray+players+for+Walmart.html

The symbol 藍光 means "blue". That's it, not "Blue-ray" use google translator if you dont belive me. Or Bablefish

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

You caN even Google the above symbols, and you get this:

藍光- Wikipedia

- 簡 - [ 轉為繁體網頁 - Translate this page ]

CLICK on "Translate this page"

What did you get?

Check out the "Bluray Player" forum at AVSFORUM.COM

85% of the Bluray forum believes it's about HD DVD. The freaking Bluray forum!! If i made this poll in the HD DVD forum at avsforum.com then it would have been over 95% thinking it's about HD DVD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10359337&posted=1#post10359337

Also, answer me this...Where is "Blu-ray" in the original chinese article? I don't see "Blu-ray" anywhere, only "HD DVD" they even spelt "HD DVD" correctly, without the hyphen. The trademarked name is "HD DVD" not "HD-DVD"

Quoting because...well...everyone seemed to ignore it.

HA,  yeah i noticed that too.  They ignore it cuz they can't argue against it 

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainment/wal+mart-makes-the-push-for-299-hd-dvd-machines-253950.php

http://www.t3.co.uk/news/247/entertainment/dvd_-_player/wal-mart_to_sell_cheap_hd-dvd_deck

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/04/22/0035238&from=rss

We all know the PS3 is Sony's primary (some would say only) hope for winning the format battle (if sales of stand-alone players are a fair indication), and the stradegy has been working relatively well for Sony until now.

Suddenly, seemingly out of the clear blue sky, WalMart--the worlds largest retailer by FAR--has decided to back and push HD-DVD to the masses on a scope and scale we've never seen before in this format war.

Clearly this doesn't burn down Sony's Blu-Ray trojan horse, but an idiot would belive that this won't make a significant impact on it. 

So what say ye?  Can the PS3--specifically it's blu-ray drive--overcome the weight of the mighty and unlikely alliance of WalMart + HD-DVD?

DISCUSS.

Dreams-Visions

I hate bluRay but, WALMART pushing HD-DVD how??? They will have to bring it down to 200.00 and sell movies cheap. Oh crap sony better run, I don't think the studios will be able to not make HD-DVD movies now. I'm sure ol WallyMart is in the back room strong arming studios right now saying well if you don't make HD-DVDs now we wont sell your regular DVD's. When I read this I almost fell over. The WII is destroying the console side of the PS3, the only thing worse for the PS3 would be HD-DVD winning. Sony would have a real red herring with the PS3, oh the profits lost, man I would not like to be on the board when that meeting goes down with the stock holders. The yelling the screamming, of 3 billion dollars down the drain.

[QUOTE="TekkenMaster606"][QUOTE="m3Boarder32"]

Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind releases tomorrow!! Great movie! 93% at Rottentomatoes.com

#40 all time on IMBd's Top 250

Too bad a movie like this doesn't really appeal to the hords of PS3/BD fanboys that think Ghostrider, Spiderman, and Fantastic Four with Silver Surfer will end the format war.

m3Boarder32

More failing generalizations, I couldn't expect any less. It's a decent movie. A little off the wall if you ask me. I mean, what about that movie is going to benefit from the HD treatment? Them sitting in the car listening to the tapes from the doctor's office? Or laying on the ice?

A nice attempt Jim. And of course, an artsy hipster film with a premise such as this will score well at RT.com. But that's all Universal can bank on anymore with HD-DVD, the back catalog. I don't even think they have a film in the Top 20 right now. Pathetic. And if you ask me, when it comes to comedians doing more serious work, Adam Sandler was way better in Reign Over Me. There is a movie dealing with real life tragedy and issues.

No worries, with the recent HD DVD/Walmart announcement Fox, and Disney will be nuetral by the end of the year. It's not like Fox is doing much of anything right now anyway. What have they released, 2 movies in the last 2 months? They have no movies scheduled for the rest of the year..

I wouldn't hold my breath. Do you really think the largest retailer is going to simply pick a side and ignore the other guys? I don't think so. What I gather is that Wal-Mart is going to carry some of these cheaper standalone HD-DVD players that are in the works. If you think they will stop selling Blu-Ray movies entirely you're fooling yourself. I mean, if affordable standalone Blu-Ray players happen to make it to the market, do you think Wal-Mart is going to ignore them? I honestly don't think so. They're a retailer, the're going to fill their shelves with whatever they can. And in recent years, with them trying to market it's 'Home Entertainment' department as a great alternative to the big box guys like Circuit City and Best Buy do you think they'll want to have their competition offering a product they don't?

Blu-ray is a more advanced technology: 3 lasers (red, blue, infrared, each having their own functionality purpose). Blu-ray can be adapted depending on the power of the disk which will evolve with time. HD-DVD still uses the base ROM module and architechture of DVD, which has been phased out already... HD-DVD will own most of the market due to pricng, but because good movies are exclusive on both technologies, we're stuck getting both. So get a PlayStation 3 and an XBOX 360 and no more problems lol.iMacBot

Oh sony formats are always technoligically better, but ultimatly they are more expensive, and right now the HD-DVD looks as good or even better than the BluRay, in Picture Quality. Sony can't seem to make cheap dual layer blue ray disks so BR movies are 25gb. HD-DVD is 30 gb. Most reviewers cannot tell the difference between a BR and HDDVD movie. 

 The simple winner to this war will be the first HD player to break $200.00 then it's over for the other party.

[QUOTE="iMacBot"]Blu-ray is a more advanced technology: 3 lasers (red, blue, infrared, each having their own functionality purpose). Blu-ray can be adapted depending on the power of the disk which will evolve with time. HD-DVD still uses the base ROM module and architechture of DVD, which has been phased out already... HD-DVD will own most of the market due to pricng, but because good movies are exclusive on both technologies, we're stuck getting both. So get a PlayStation 3 and an XBOX 360 and no more problems lol.XYZVector

Oh sony formats are always technoligically better, but ultimatly they are more expensive, and right now the HD-DVD looks as good or even better than the BluRay, in Picture Quality. Sony can't seem to make cheap dual layer blue ray disks so BR movies are 25gb. HD-DVD is 30 gb. Most reviewers cannot tell the difference between a BR and HDDVD movie.

The simple winner to this war will be the first HD player to break $200.00 then it's over for the other party.

There are more factors in play when it comes to the winner. It's not just about the home level, professional cinema is going to play a part a few years down the road. The theater industry is looking for a replacement to 16MM film. It's expensive, across the board. Shipping those huge film canisters costs a lot of money, you have to employ projectionists that are skilled enough to thread projectors, maintain the equipment to make sure film gates don't eat up the film, brain wraps, platter malfunctions, the list goes on.

DVD was not enough. But now that newer formats are in play, things are going to change. I mean, you can FedEx or UPS a few discs to theaters for a lot cheaper than having to pay for freight to ship heavy, bulky canisters. You can cut down your labor force because pushing play is a lot easier than having a team of people monitor and maintain multiple film projectors. And Sony has the edge in that industry. Because they are a movie studio, and a company that also produces professional quality equipment for the use of making movies.

Toshiba makes office equipment.  

[QUOTE="XYZVector"]

[QUOTE="iMacBot"]Blu-ray is a more advanced technology: 3 lasers (red, blue, infrared, each having their own functionality purpose). Blu-ray can be adapted depending on the power of the disk which will evolve with time. HD-DVD still uses the base ROM module and architechture of DVD, which has been phased out already... HD-DVD will own most of the market due to pricng, but because good movies are exclusive on both technologies, we're stuck getting both. So get a PlayStation 3 and an XBOX 360 and no more problems lol.TekkenMaster606

Oh sony formats are always technoligically better, but ultimatly they are more expensive, and right now the HD-DVD looks as good or even better than the BluRay, in Picture Quality. Sony can't seem to make cheap dual layer blue ray disks so BR movies are 25gb. HD-DVD is 30 gb. Most reviewers cannot tell the difference between a BR and HDDVD movie.

The simple winner to this war will be the first HD player to break $200.00 then it's over for the other party.

This is very amusing, but even if Sony has some sort of upper hand in the industry, they still lost every format war ever, and TV studios still used, and some still do use, Beta cassette camera's, because they are superior to VHS, but Sony is trying to hoard thier proprietary format, just like before, and keep the money for themselves, while Toshiba is willing to licence it out to push the format.

If the Walmart story is true, HD-DVD will win the format war, Walmart is huge, and certainly has the ability to effect the out come in a very large way

Blu-Ray will probably be used for major motion pictures, THEN formatted to HD-DVD for consumer use. Sony will never learn

There are more factors in play when it comes to the winner. It's not just about the home level, professional cinema is going to play a part a few years down the road. The theater industry is looking for a replacement to 16MM film. It's expensive, across the board. Shipping those huge film canisters costs a lot of money, you have to employ projectionists that are skilled enough to thread projectors, maintain the equipment to make sure film gates don't eat up the film, brain wraps, platter malfunctions, the list goes on.

DVD was not enough. But now that newer formats are in play, things are going to change. I mean, you can FedEx or UPS a few discs to theaters for a lot cheaper than having to pay for freight to ship heavy, bulky canisters. You can cut down your labor force because pushing play is a lot easier than having a team of people monitor and maintain multiple film projectors. And Sony has the edge in that industry. Because they are a movie studio, and a company that also produces professional quality equipment for the use of making movies.

Toshiba makes office equipment.  

[QUOTE="XYZVector"]

Toshiba makes office equipment.  

TekkenMaster606

And don't expect film to go away anytime soon. Analog photography still has a quality to it (like that natural motion blur) that no other medium can match. And as long as they're using film, they'll probably stick to 24fps, which moots BluRay's one capability advantage (1080p60). In any event, evidence from IMAX theaters suggest that at least a small level of "un-realism", the sense that what you're seeing isn't real, is warranted, lest you get so fooled by the picture that you induce reverse motion sickness.

PS. Plenty of big theaters do perform electronic distribution of movies, but they're still converted from film recordings.

Honestly, I think this may be a nail in the coffin. 360 already has a larger userbase. And now WalMart is backing HD DVD? That's huge. Everybody shops at WalMart. People going in there for Cheetos and hairspray will likely walk out with the latest Martin Lawrence crapfest on HD DVD for $11.88.  And they always have stacks of DVDs by the checkout to tempt people.

Also has anyone noticed how prices end in .99 everywhere except WalMart, where they end in .88? Know why? They're Nazis. ;) Seriously. 

Shut_Me_Up

Nail in what CoFFin, Last I heard there were over 10X the amount of Blu-ray enabled players Vs  HD DVD pplayers. and that HD DVD addon for 360 was the best selling one

if HD-DVD players that are already below $300 coming with 4-5 free HD-DVD movies isnt helping the format gain ground against bluray, i dont see how a no-name player for $200 is going to help it any more.ShockerD19

Are you serious. I'd Buy that deal.

if HD-DVD players that are already below $300 coming with 4-5 free HD-DVD movies isnt helping the format gain ground against bluray, i dont see how a no-name player for $200 is going to help it any more.ShockerD19

hd dvd players are outselling bluray players 4 to 1 in NA.

this doesn't include the ps3.

while bluray movies are selling more than hd dvd recently, the players are what matters at this point.

it's better to have 100 players with each 1 movie than 1 player with 100 movies.

not looking good for bluray.

we'll see how the market is looking when this player is actually released.  until then, its looking good for bluray ;)ShockerD19

i'm sorry, but i don't see how.

hd dvd players are vastly outselling bluray players.

My Wal Mart has rows of blue ray movies, they had very little HD DVD movies.immortality20

mine, too

the funny thing is -- what are the chances Walk Mart won't change its mind ?
 
   Look at it this way -- By 2008 ( when Wal Mart of going to fully support HD DVD with the $199 - $299 players)

    a) Blu-ray will have such a great lead that in Japan and Australia and New Zealand it will win - in the US it will survive ...
    b) Blu-ray players (include PS3) will exceed 10 million sold ....
    c) Blu-ray players will be priced at $299 -- only slighly above HD DVD.
    d) HD DVD might even be dead !
choasgod

a. 3 countries is hardly enough to dictate a winner. Meanwhile, NA and EU are backing hd dvd

b. bluray players are only at 25,000 in NA.  A loooong way until 10 million including the ps3..

c. no price drops to that level have even been hinted at for bluray.

d. bluray appears to be closer to death than hd dvd by all accounts.

You guys do realise that finding a walmart outside of north america is like finding a tesco outside of Europe :| ...exactlynickmag

Funny, there are five in my city. And I live in a third world country.

Nope, Walmart has had no impact on the world outside America and the 3rd world countries they exploit to keep prices cheap.

WickeeKing

And america is the most important market, especially when it comes to these kinds of high-end goods.Angolans are not going to purchase HD players tomorrow, you know? The winner in America is usually a good indicator of the worldwide winner, especially because of media influence of the US worldwide.

Hmmm, Haven't $300 HD DVD players existed for sale before WAL-MART???Blinblingthing

Yes,  but Joe Six Pack does not look online for the best deals possible.  That's not how you reach the masses.  The cheapest HD DVD player available at a retail stores is the Toshiba HDD1 at Walmart for $360.  To Joe Six Pack $199 and $360 is a huge difference 

the funny thing is -- what are the chances Walk Mart won't change its mind ?

Look at it this way -- By 2008 ( when Wal Mart of going to fully support HD DVD with the $199 - $299 players)

a) Blu-ray will have such a great lead that in Japan and Australia and New Zealand it will win - in the US it will survive ...
b) Blu-ray players (include PS3) will exceed 10 million sold ....
c) Blu-ray players will be priced at $299 -- only slighly above HD DVD.
d) HD DVD might even be dead !
choasgod

Walmart can't change it's mind,  Contracts are written in ink. 

Honestly, I think this may be a nail in the coffin. 360 already has a larger userbase. And now WalMart is backing HD DVD? That's huge. Everybody shops at WalMart. People going in there for Cheetos and hairspray will likely walk out with the latest Martin Lawrence crapfest on HD DVD for $11.88.  And they always have stacks of DVDs by the checkout to tempt people.

Also has anyone noticed how prices end in .99 everywhere except WalMart, where they end in .88? Know why? They're Nazis. ;) Seriously. 

Shut_Me_Up

partly, but mostly because they underpay their employees

EDIT:STUPID GLITCHSPOT!

[QUOTE="Zam_basic"]

only hillbillys shop at wal mart , they are just getting dvd players

 

Kalias

Lol. man its good to be a new yorker. no walmarts in sight ( = 

[QUOTE="Kalias"][QUOTE="Zam_basic"]

only hillbillys shop at wal mart , they are just getting dvd players

 

SpideR_CentS

Lol. man its good to be a new yorker. no walmarts in sight ( =

I'm in Southeast Florida.  3 WalMarts within 15 minutes of my home. 

I posted this on the PS3 forum yesterday, but I think it can be said here. I wouldn't get all excited about this news article, as none of us REALLY knows what it means.

The main point I wanted to say is to not get hung up on the 'HD DVD' part of it. What does HD DVD stand for? 'High Definition Digital Video Disc'...what kinds of high definition digitial video discs exist? Well, there's HD-DVD and there's Blu-ray. And no, I'm not splitting hairs here. The reason is because often in Chinese, they will use a term "incorrectly" by English standards. The easiest example I can think of is a "hamburger." Go to a McDonalds in China and ask for a hamburger...they will ask, "what kind?" Basically, there are MANY sandwiches that are "hamburgers" in China, even though really the term hamburger always means beef. Some of you would see an article with "鸡肉 hamburger" and instantly declare it a hamburger. That's really a chicken sandwich, though (and usually fried).

Also, something I didn't initially notice was the fact that EVERY time they use the term HD DVD, they always include "blue light" right before....seems a little odd to me. Yes, HD-DVD may use a blue laser as well, but I have absolutely no idea why you would include that information every time you mention it. Actually, it's bracketed, which means its intended to just one term. Just to add a little fuel to the fire, if you do a babelfish translation of blu-ray.com, 'Blu-ray' comes out to three characters, two of which are found just before HD DVD in the article.

The final thing that should be raising questions is the fact that TDK is behind this. TDK is exclusive to Blu Ray. Also, in the pricing article from avsforums, it mentions Philips...also a Blu-ray exclusive company. Perhaps policy has changed, but I haven't heard any announcement that they've switched camps/gone neutral.

Now, I have no idea whether it's really for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. There's arguments supporting both sides, so I would say the best thing to do is just wait. If it's legit (which I strangely could not find any information of this on the company's website (the one producing it)), then Walmart will be forced to make announcement soon enough.

But I do agree that whichever group Walmart supports will get a serious boost, though the results will be different. If Walmart supports HD-DVD, it will hurt Blu-ray considerbly. However, at least as of now, Blu-ray has better studio support, so that might be able to trump it in the end. But if this is for Blu-ray, I totally think HD-DVD is dead.

I'm still trying to get one of my students to give me a better explanation of the article (yes, I live in China). The problem is finding a student who a) knows about next gen movie formats (VCD still dominates here...but DVD is kind of catching on), and b) can read traditional Chinese (this is a Taiwanese article, where they use traditional characters...China uses simplified). Hopefully after lunch tomorrow, my student will be able to actually help solve this issue.

[QUOTE="choasgod"]the funny thing is -- what are the chances Walk Mart won't change its mind ?

Look at it this way -- By 2008 ( when Wal Mart of going to fully support HD DVD with the $199 - $299 players)

a) Blu-ray will have such a great lead that in Japan and Australia and New Zealand it will win - in the US it will survive ...
b) Blu-ray players (include PS3) will exceed 10 million sold ....
c) Blu-ray players will be priced at $299 -- only slighly above HD DVD.
d) HD DVD might even be dead !
tango90101

a. 3 countries is hardly enough to dictate a winner. Meanwhile, NA and EU are backing hd dvd

b. bluray players are only at 25,000 in NA. A loooong way until 10 million including the ps3..

c. no price drops to that level have even been hinted at for bluray.

d. bluray appears to be closer to death than hd dvd by all accounts.

hd-dvd players have sold more than stand-alone bluray players, but the ps3 has sold more than all.  and because of that, bluray content sells better in every single region.  the format war is about the content first and foremost. 

if anyone doubts the power of walmart read this story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443 it is about how walmart set the prices of hdtv for everyone, and bankrupted some chains in the process. if walmart gets behind hd-dvd bluray will become a ps3 only format, and suffer the fate of betamax and umd. the ps3 dosn't really have any game, and soon it wont have movies either. rdo

:shock:

people seem to want to underestimate WalMart here.  I said it in my OP and I'll say it again: it's the largest, most successful retail chain in the WORLD...EVER.

If they really are throwing their weight behind HD-DVD, implications will be felt throughout the industry.  the only question is why?  Why now?  What propmted them? 

[QUOTE="tango90101"]

[QUOTE="choasgod"]the funny thing is -- what are the chances Walk Mart won't change its mind ?

Look at it this way -- By 2008 ( when Wal Mart of going to fully support HD DVD with the $199 - $299 players)

a) Blu-ray will have such a great lead that in Japan and Australia and New Zealand it will win - in the US it will survive ...
b) Blu-ray players (include PS3) will exceed 10 million sold ....
c) Blu-ray players will be priced at $299 -- only slighly above HD DVD.
d) HD DVD might even be dead !
ShockerD19

a. 3 countries is hardly enough to dictate a winner. Meanwhile, NA and EU are backing hd dvd

b. bluray players are only at 25,000 in NA. A loooong way until 10 million including the ps3..

c. no price drops to that level have even been hinted at for bluray.

d. bluray appears to be closer to death than hd dvd by all accounts.

hd-dvd players have sold more than stand-alone bluray players, but the ps3 has sold more than all.  and because of that, bluray content sells better in every single region.  the format war is about the content first and foremost. 

not at this point.  for example: Disney has how many bluray titles available out of their hundreds of titles?

it's about getting the device into the homes.  the sales come later in the form of an attachment ratio.

remember; it's better to have 100 players each selling 1 movie each than 1 player selling 100 movies.

hd dvd has the lead and the (not so secret) information about walmart/china getting into the act, bluray's future is not looking good.

when you couple the EU committment to hd dvd with NA's, over bluray and it's pretty much doen for bluray.  but hey, you can still buy psp movies. i think you'll still be able to buy a few bluray movies even after hd dvd has been declared the winner in a few years.

It's too late now.miss_kitt3n

lol too late for what?  the wars just began.  the leading hardware (Blu-Ray) has only managed to move 1 million movies.  anemic at best.  this thing won't be over for years.   

[QUOTE="rdo"]if anyone doubts the power of walmart read this story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443 it is about how walmart set the prices of hdtv for everyone, and bankrupted some chains in the process. if walmart gets behind hd-dvd bluray will become a ps3 only format, and suffer the fate of betamax and umd. the ps3 dosn't really have any game, and soon it wont have movies either. Dreams-Visions

:shock:

people seem to want to underestimate WalMart here.  I said it in my OP and I'll say it again: it's the largest, most successful retail chain in the WORLD...EVER.

If they really are throwing their weight behind HD-DVD, implications will be felt throughout the industry.  the only question is why?  Why now?  What propmted them? 

good question.

it was actually whispers in the industry from the first announcement of hd dvd that walmart will put their eyes on it.  however, since there was no "link" it does count here in SW.

the angle is value.  "The Low Cost Leader", etc....

hd dvd are priced waaaaaaaaay below bluray players, prompting walmart to lean this direction.  Not to mention their extremeely strong ties to low cost chinese production.   china was also hinting they would be jumping behind hd dvd from a long time ago, but again, no "link" so it doesn't count here.

it's only a matter of time.  walmart is getting aggressive on their hdtv sales (720p) and bringing the price to a much more affordable option.  hd dvd is the logic step to build on those sales. 

i don't know if walmart even has 1080p sets for sale...

it's not a "why now"... it's always been...

i tried bringing this to the bovine populace long ago, but got "self owned" for not having a "link"

oh well... wait tho.. it gets worse for bluray...;)

[QUOTE="Dreams-Visions"]

[QUOTE="rdo"]if anyone doubts the power of walmart read this story http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18274443 it is about how walmart set the prices of hdtv for everyone, and bankrupted some chains in the process. if walmart gets behind hd-dvd bluray will become a ps3 only format, and suffer the fate of betamax and umd. the ps3 dosn't really have any game, and soon it wont have movies either. tango90101

:shock:

people seem to want to underestimate WalMart here. I said it in my OP and I'll say it again: it's the largest, most successful retail chain in the WORLD...EVER.

If they really are throwing their weight behind HD-DVD, implications will be felt throughout the industry. the only question is why? Why now? What propmted them?

good question.

it was actually whispers in the industry from the first announcement of hd dvd that walmart will put their eyes on it. however, since there was no "link" it does count here in SW.

the angle is value. "The Low Cost Leader", etc....

hd dvd are priced waaaaaaaaay below bluray players, prompting walmart to lean this direction. Not to mention their extremeely strong ties to low cost chinese production. china was also hinting they would be jumping behind hd dvd from a long time ago, but again, no "link" so it doesn't count here.

it's only a matter of time. walmart is getting aggressive on their hdtv sales (720p) and bringing the price to a much more affordable option. hd dvd is the logic step to build on those sales.

i don't know if walmart even has 1080p sets for sale...

it's not a "why now"... it's always been...

i tried bringing this to the bovine populace long ago, but got "self owned" for not having a "link"

oh well... wait tho.. it gets worse for bluray...;)

sure the players are less, but the movies are the same price.

I posted this on the PS3 forum yesterday, but I think it can be said here. I wouldn't get all excited about this news article, as none of us REALLY knows what it means.

The main point I wanted to say is to not get hung up on the 'HD DVD' part of it. What does HD DVD stand for? 'High Definition Digital Video Disc'...what kinds of high definition digitial video discs exist? Well, there's HD-DVD and there's Blu-ray. And no, I'm not splitting hairs here. The reason is because often in Chinese, they will use a term "incorrectly" by English standards. The easiest example I can think of is a "hamburger." Go to a McDonalds in China and ask for a hamburger...they will ask, "what kind?" Basically, there are MANY sandwiches that are "hamburgers" in China, even though really the term hamburger always means beef. Some of you would see an article with "鸡肉 hamburger" and instantly declare it a hamburger. That's really a chicken sandwich, though (and usually fried).

Also, something I didn't initially notice was the fact that EVERY time they use the term HD DVD, they always include "blue light" right before....seems a little odd to me. Yes, HD-DVD may use a blue laser as well, but I have absolutely no idea why you would include that information every time you mention it. Actually, it's bracketed, which means its intended to just one term. Just to add a little fuel to the fire, if you do a babelfish translation of blu-ray.com, 'Blu-ray' comes out to three characters, two of which are found just before HD DVD in the article.

The final thing that should be raising questions is the fact that TDK is behind this. TDK is exclusive to Blu Ray. Also, in the pricing article from avsforums, it mentions Philips...also a Blu-ray exclusive company. Perhaps policy has changed, but I haven't heard any announcement that they've switched camps/gone neutral.

Now, I have no idea whether it's really for Blu-Ray or HD-DVD. There's arguments supporting both sides, so I would say the best thing to do is just wait. If it's legit (which I strangely could not find any information of this on the company's website (the one producing it)), then Walmart will be forced to make announcement soon enough.

But I do agree that whichever group Walmart supports will get a serious boost, though the results will be different. If Walmart supports HD-DVD, it will hurt Blu-ray considerbly. However, at least as of now, Blu-ray has better studio support, so that might be able to trump it in the end. But if this is for Blu-ray, I totally think HD-DVD is dead.

I'm still trying to get one of my students to give me a better explanation of the article (yes, I live in China). The problem is finding a student who a) knows about next gen movie formats (VCD still dominates here...but DVD is kind of catching on), and b) can read traditional Chinese (this is a Taiwanese article, where they use traditional characters...China uses simplified). Hopefully after lunch tomorrow, my student will be able to actually help solve this issue.

Vampyronight

I'll refer you to an earlier post. 

[QUOTE="MattBrian"]

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]If it was talking about Blue-Ray and not HD-DVD dont you think Sony or at least someone from the Blue-Ray camp would have corrected this by now?. Face it PS3 users. You were forced into a blue-ray and now there is a chance Blue-ray might not win. Do not be mad at this thread or the TC or even Wal-Mart. You should be mad at Sony. MS does not look so dumb now since they give 360 owners a choice. No matter which drive wins 360 owners will be able to pop in a hard drive of the winner. While PS3 owners are not given same choice.m3Boarder32

http://www.akihabaranews.com/en/news-13678-2+millions+of+Blu-Ray+players+for+Walmart.html

The symbol 藍光 means "blue". That's it, not "Blue-ray" use google translator if you dont belive me. Or Bablefish

http://translate.google.com/translate_t

You caN even Google the above symbols, and you get this:

藍光- Wikipedia

- 簡 - [ 轉為繁體網頁 - Translate this page ]

CLICK on "Translate this page"

What did you get?

Check out the "Bluray Player" forum at AVSFORUM.COM

85% of the Bluray forum believes it's about HD DVD. The freaking Bluray forum!! If i made this poll in the HD DVD forum at avsforum.com then it would have been over 95% thinking it's about HD DVD

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10359337&posted=1#post10359337

Also, answer me this...Where is "Blu-ray" in the original chinese article? I don't see "Blu-ray" anywhere, only "HD DVD" they even spelt "HD DVD" correctly, without the hyphen. The trademarked name is "HD DVD" not "HD-DVD"

seems to me the question of "what it means" has been pretty adequately cleared up.