From my point of view, it's a good thing. Being able to play games and hi-def movies is great. But from a business standpoint, not so much, it made the PS3 more expensive. I don't know what the hell Sony thinking, how could they possibly have expected to win this generation with a $600 console? If I were in charge, I would have probably just continued to use DVD9 and just put in more RAM instead. That way the PS3 could have cost $450-500 instead and they would be in a much better position than they are now.
From my point of view, it's a good thing. Being able to play games and hi-def movies is great. But from a business standpoint, not so much, it made the PS3 more expensive. I don't know what the hell Sony thinking, how could they possibly have expected to win this generation with a $600 console? If I were in charge, I would have probably just continued to use DVD9 and just put in more RAM instead. That way the PS3 could have cost $450-500 instead and they would be in a much better position than they are now.Floppy_Jim
Again, Blu-Ray isnt the problem, it was the Cell, and a lack of a tailor-made GPU, the core is just off-the-shelf and hence costs quite a bit still despite being old technology. On top of that, a lack of good games in the launch window and a 360 that was gaining momentum quick all made Sonys first year VERY hard. Blu-Ray is now paying off, and the PS3 despite the troubled times and high price tag is selling well
most definately Cows like to complain about getting up for a few seconds to change a disc. Cows ignore the mandatory installs on PS3 that take up hefty chunks of your hard drive paying 200 dollars extra because you cant pick you ass off the couch for a few seconds is something only cows could defend
No, its not. Ohh and i'm sure that a big worldwide company like Sony its going to go bankroupt because some cheap Microsoft xbox fanboys posting threads like this. Blu-Ray is BIG, its the next DVD, its time to ADMIT IT. In the other hand, microsoft has made the wrong move, they supported HD-DVD, when they should have sticked with blu-ray, and stoped this stupid nerdy system war. An Xbox with blu-ray, a Gears of wars 3 with 100gb capability, the game could be, anything than a american gamer has ever dream of, some thing like MGS4 did for the PS3.
from a business perspective...definatley not. it has given blu-ray a great chance of making something of itself and anything sony will losse from the PS3 will more than be made up for the the profits from blu-ray (if it really does take over from DVD). for the console itself....its a complete waste of space and has done the PS3 absolutely no favours. its too slow and too expensive and the extra space has prooven itself to be useless to all intents and purposes (especially with multiplat becomign more prevelant). most of that extra space is going to be used for dummy data and repeating data just to try and make loading times somewhat respectable.
I wouldn't change a thing. PS3 won't be this gens top seller but bluray is headed to replacing DVD and that will be Sonys cash cow for a long time. Did you see the first day sales of Dark Knight on bluray? Its going to sell well over a million in just a week. That's huge for the format.
I think it was a mistake. It is like Sony walked up to a roulette table and bet everything they had on black but looks like it is coming up red. Not from a buyers view but a company view the BR was a huge mistake for the PS3. You just have to look at price and sales for that. Also the fact they were 100+ more consoles then the closest console last gen and now in last place.
As far as BR becoming the media device for homes it also is not happening fast enough. It still could not become the norm for the general public but it prolly will. Even if it does will Sony be far to damaged by that time? Look how Sony as a company is now. Sony is bleeding FAR to much money and one of the factors was the BR gamble.
[QUOTE="akif22"]blu-ray is for the long-term it'll help the PS3 in the end I think it can only hep int LONG run. It hurt PS3 sales initially though. but I for one got MORE than my money's worth since I wanted a Blu-ray player to begin with :).
[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]bluray is headed to replacing DVD MarloStanfield
lmao. no it's not
Wow. Have fun in Amishland.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
[QUOTE="MarloStanfield"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"]bluray is headed to replacing DVD dr_octagon
lmao. no it's not
Wow. Have fun in Amishland.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
DVD can't last forever. Something will replace it. The most logical thing to assume is that Blu-ray will eventually become the standard. Unless some company makes a better and less expensive HD format (which is almost impossible), I see BR taking control.
The only thing they should of put is twice the RAM. That could of justified a 600$ price knowing it got BR + CELL + 1G RAM.
S3CR3T_SPY2
The RAM is fine considering the Cell is a very powerful chip (new architecture was a challenge for devs though). Sony's main problem game wise is: 1.) Manufacturing the Cell along with IBM and Toshiba without gaming (programming) in mind as the main use. 2.) Advertising. While they are great at it, they don't do it enough.
[QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]From my point of view, it's a good thing. Being able to play games and hi-def movies is great. But from a business standpoint, not so much, it made the PS3 more expensive. I don't know what the hell Sony thinking, how could they possibly have expected to win this generation with a $600 console? If I were in charge, I would have probably just continued to use DVD9 and just put in more RAM instead. That way the PS3 could have cost $450-500 instead and they would be in a much better position than they are now.FirstDiscovery
Again, Blu-Ray isnt the problem, it was the Cell, and a lack of a tailor-made GPU, the core is just off-the-shelf and hence costs quite a bit still despite being old technology. On top of that, a lack of good games in the launch window and a 360 that was gaining momentum quick all made Sonys first year VERY hard. Blu-Ray is now paying off, and the PS3 despite the troubled times and high price tag is selling well It is partly Blu-Ray though and it's the reason the PS3 launch was delayed from Spring 2006 to November 2006. If it launched in Spring 2006, it could have sold at least 5 million more than it has now, meaning it could have caught up to the 360.
I like the BR movies but the media doesn't seem nesessary for games as Sony wants you to believe. All the top selling games come on dvd right now. I like my PS3 but honestly I mostly use it to watch movies. I hope they don't think that BR movies are going to sell systems. Not when there are BR players under $200 out there now.
Thing that bothers me is Sony has been shrugging off these operating losses that they've been taking for almost 2 years now(trying to say it's normal), and that's in ALL of their busnisses not just gaming. The decision makers have basically been gambling with the company and now it's the 16,000 layed-off employees that are going to have to pay-up. You can say Blu-ray was a bad idea for PS3 but that's just a drop of water in the ocean with the bad decisions they have been making in all areas for the past 2 years.
[QUOTE="FirstDiscovery"][QUOTE="Floppy_Jim"]From my point of view, it's a good thing. Being able to play games and hi-def movies is great. But from a business standpoint, not so much, it made the PS3 more expensive. I don't know what the hell Sony thinking, how could they possibly have expected to win this generation with a $600 console? If I were in charge, I would have probably just continued to use DVD9 and just put in more RAM instead. That way the PS3 could have cost $450-500 instead and they would be in a much better position than they are now.Floppy_Jim
Again, Blu-Ray isnt the problem, it was the Cell, and a lack of a tailor-made GPU, the core is just off-the-shelf and hence costs quite a bit still despite being old technology. On top of that, a lack of good games in the launch window and a 360 that was gaining momentum quick all made Sonys first year VERY hard. Blu-Ray is now paying off, and the PS3 despite the troubled times and high price tag is selling well It is partly Blu-Ray though and it's the reason the PS3 launch was delayed from Spring 2006 to November 2006. If it launched in Spring 2006, it could have sold at least 5 million more than it has now, meaning it could have caught up to the 360. True. Sales would be higher if they launched a year earlier without Blu-ray. As a consumer and movie buff I'm glad they took the hit to bring us the BR player and gaming in one cheap package though (plus they wanted format dominance).
The only thing they should of put is twice the RAM. That could of justified a 600$ price knowing it got BR + CELL + 1G RAM.
TREAL_Since
The RAM is fine considering the Cell is a very powerful chip (new architecture was a challenge for devs though). Sony's main problem game wise is: 1.) Manufacturing the Cell along with IBM and Toshiba without gaming (programming) in mind as the main use. 2.) Advertising. While they are great at it, they don't do it enough. Imagine CELL + RSX + 1G RAM. They could use even more textures and use BR to it's fullest!
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
I disagree because if it didnt have a blu ray player i wouldnt be considering a PS3 because I already have a Wii and 360 and the main thing different about the PS3 is the blu ray player
The only thing they should of put is twice the RAM. That could of justified a 600$ price knowing it got BR + CELL + 1G RAM.
S3CR3T_SPY2
The RAM is fine considering the Cell is a very powerful chip (new architecture was a challenge for devs though). Sony's main problem game wise is: 1.) Manufacturing the Cell along with IBM and Toshiba without gaming (programming) in mind as the main use. 2.) Advertising. While they are great at it, they don't do it enough. Imagine CELL + RSX + 1G RAM. They could use even more textures and use BR to it's fullest! That would be insane lol! The PS3 is already showing it can produce amazing looking games, but that would be even more amazing. I think they will keep the Cell for the PS4 and add more RAM and a better GPU.
Honestly there is no hard evidence that Blu-ray is the cause of lackluster sales for Sony. As a whole I probably think that they could've done the same if not much better in sales without Blu-ray. However, Blu-ray was a big deciding factor for me in the purchase of a PS3. I'm happy with my PS3 purchase since it's launch date.
The only thing they should of put is twice the RAM. That could of justified a 600$ price knowing it got BR + CELL + 1G RAM.
S3CR3T_SPY2
The RAM is fine considering the Cell is a very powerful chip (new architecture was a challenge for devs though). Sony's main problem game wise is: 1.) Manufacturing the Cell along with IBM and Toshiba without gaming (programming) in mind as the main use. 2.) Advertising. While they are great at it, they don't do it enough. Imagine CELL + RSX + 1G RAM. They could use even more textures and use BR to it's fullest!
With Blu-Ray's read speed the only way you can use it to it's fullest (while still having a playable game) is if you transferred ALL 50gbs of the discs contents to an HD....Short of that they can only do what they are doing now, either make the levels small enough that they can be entirely loaded into ram like in COD4, or repeat data over and over on the disc so it can be found faster ala Oblivion and or have a portion of the game put onto the HD so it doesn't have to read it off the Disc. It's the Blu-Ray's own read speed that is keeping it from being "used to it's fullest"...and other than the tricks listed above there's not much of a way around that.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
MarloStanfield
have fun it betamax/umd/minidisc land
i herd dey're de future!
UMD didn't have any other reasons outside of PSP games to exist (movies and music made no sense). People could watch UMD quality movies from their Memory Stick Duo. Betamax failed because American consumers were more fond to VHS, while European consumers preferred Betamax. But both Betamax and VHS were more similar in quality then they were different. Blu-ray has no competition of its same quality (HDDVD is dead). DVD can't last forever, just like VHS couldn't. Eventually something will become the format standard over DVD. Right now BR looks to be it. It will take awhile longer though. BR offers something that nothing else on the market offers.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
MarloStanfield
have fun it betamax/umd/minidisc land
i herd dey're de future!
Yeah, funny thing about that - in its time, Betamax was actually the better technology.
[QUOTE="S3CR3T_SPY2"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] The RAM is fine considering the Cell is a very powerful chip (new architecture was a challenge for devs though). Sony's main problem game wise is: 1.) Manufacturing the Cell along with IBM and Toshiba without gaming (programming) in mind as the main use. 2.) Advertising. While they are great at it, they don't do it enough.TREAL_Since
Imagine CELL + RSX + 1G RAM. They could use even more textures and use BR to it's fullest! That would be insane lol! The PS3 is already showing it can produce amazing looking games, but that would be even more amazing. I think they will keep the Cell for the PS4 and add more RAM and a better GPU. They should keep CELL for PS4..Probably they will optimize it and call it something else, but i'm pretty sure they will use the basis of CELL for PS4. Like unify 3 or 4 of them and calibrate them to make sure it's not as brainwrecking using them to the fullest. It would be smart cause they're gaining the necessary knowledge with CELL now. So next gen they should just boost it like crazy. Anyway..SONY knows what to do when it's concerning electronics that's for sure.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
MarloStanfield
have fun it betamax/umd/minidisc land
i herd dey're de future!
SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD.
I agree. Not to mention Blu-Ray reads games a bit slower, making us need those installs. Blu-Ray movies are nice, but I would prefer my games without the installs.LittleHands134
Im the exact opposite, i would sit through a short down load (or go make a sandwich harahar) to also be able to have the blue ray player. Obviously it was not the best financial move, but like a bunch have said i really like having it
[QUOTE="akif22"]blu-ray is for the long-term it'll help the PS3 in the end long-term outlook for bluray is terrible. read some of the articles from the NY times and Financial Times that have come out in the last 3 months. Bluray partners have openly stated that they will be ramping down marketing for Bluray if it doesn't have a good holiday season, i.e. if people don't start buying in to it.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
S3CR3T_SPY2
have fun it betamax/umd/minidisc land
i herd dey're de future!
SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD. it's not though, you really should read up on it. things are looking pretty dismal given the current economic downturn. they've been pushing it during the holidays for 3 years now with mixed to poor results. if this Xmas isn't a hit for BR it's lights out as far as it being the new dominant format. you can only spend money on marketing for so long if it doesn't turn in to sales.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
S3CR3T_SPY2
have fun it betamax/umd/minidisc land
i herd dey're de future!
SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD.
Okay - I see what your saying, and I think that's great. But you're saying "Blu Ray 'IS GOING' to replace DVD, and I'm saying Blu Ray "HAS" replaced DVD.
SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD.
Okay - I see what your saying, and I think that's great. But you're saying "Blu Ray 'IS GOING' to replace DVD, and I'm saying Blu Ray "HAS" replaced DVD.
This whole thread..is fail. People gave Sony sh** when the PS2 came out with the DVD player built-in. They said it was "too expensive" and "not cost efficiant." Then a year later Microsoft rips off their idea. How is this discussion different from the one that was made 8 years ago? Oh and by the way, Microsoft STILL didn't make a profit on the Xbox until 04 when Halo 2 came out. (HA!) Blu Ray is the next step in high-def video format. DEAL with it. The longer you're in denial about it, the more we have to hear these stupid rantings.
have fun it betamax/umd/minidisc land
i herd dey're de future!
Yup. Just like all those folks that swore HD DVD was the future. Seems to me HDDVD is the betamax and Bluray is VHS who won the format war. http://www.highdefdigest.com Disc Sales: 'Dark Knight' Tops 600K On Release Day Thu Dec 11, 2008 at 01:30 PM ET Tags: High-Def Disc Sales, Warner (all tags) 'The Dark Knight' has smashed another record. First-day Blu-ray sales are in for the box office juggernaut, with Warner reporting that the title moved 600,000 units in the US. Canada and the UK since hitting stores Tuesday. ADVERTISEMENT That easily eclipses the first-day high-def sales of previous record-holder 'Iron Man,' which earlier this year topped out at 250,000 in its first 24 hours on shelves. 'The Dark Knight's Blu-ray take also accounted for 20 percent of total video sales for the title. "Numbers like these in this economic environment firmly establish Blu-ray as where consumers are headed," Kevin Tsujihara, President of Warner Brothers Home Entertainment, told the New York Times. Well ahead of the studio's reported internal projections, 'The Dark Knight' is already poised to sell over 1,000,000 Blu-ray copies in its first week in stores.
SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD. it's not though, you really should read up on it. things are looking pretty dismal given the current economic downturn. they've been pushing it during the holidays for 3 years now with mixed to poor results. if this Xmas isn't a hit for BR it's lights out as far as it being the new dominant format. you can only spend money on marketing for so long if it doesn't turn in to sales. Economic this...Economic that...I'm getting a raise in 2009. Bla bla bla! BR is going to take over DVD! HDTV's are cheaper. Deals are better. Get over your NY Times and the system scaring people with economics! It's not the first economic crisis we went thru.
[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="MarloStanfield"] SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD.S3CR3T_SPY2
it's not though, you really should read up on it. things are looking pretty dismal given the current economic downturn. they've been pushing it during the holidays for 3 years now with mixed to poor results. if this Xmas isn't a hit for BR it's lights out as far as it being the new dominant format. you can only spend money on marketing for so long if it doesn't turn in to sales. Economic this...Economic that...I'm getting a raise in 2009. Bla bla bla! BR is going to take over DVD! HDTV's are cheaper. Deals are better. Get over your NY Times and the system scaring people with economics! It's not the first economic crisis we went thru. Escapist entertainment always wins out in bad economic times. Movies. Games. These things do really well. People want to escape. A million people escaped into the dark knight on bluray this week. So much for a dead format performing poorly eh?
[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="MarloStanfield"] SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD.S3CR3T_SPY2
it's not though, you really should read up on it. things are looking pretty dismal given the current economic downturn. they've been pushing it during the holidays for 3 years now with mixed to poor results. if this Xmas isn't a hit for BR it's lights out as far as it being the new dominant format. you can only spend money on marketing for so long if it doesn't turn in to sales. Economic this...Economic that...I'm getting a raise in 2009. Bla bla bla! BR is going to take over DVD! HDTV's are cheaper. Deals are better. Get over your NY Times and the system scaring people with economics! It's not the first economic crisis we went thru. Pretty much, we had an economic downturn in the 80's and it didn't exactly turn the world into Fallout 3.
[QUOTE="S3CR3T_SPY2"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] it's not though, you really should read up on it. things are looking pretty dismal given the current economic downturn. they've been pushing it during the holidays for 3 years now with mixed to poor results. if this Xmas isn't a hit for BR it's lights out as far as it being the new dominant format. you can only spend money on marketing for so long if it doesn't turn in to sales.Ilikemyname420
Economic this...Economic that...I'm getting a raise in 2009. Bla bla bla! BR is going to take over DVD! HDTV's are cheaper. Deals are better. Get over your NY Times and the system scaring people with economics! It's not the first economic crisis we went thru. Pretty much, we had an economic downturn in the 80's and it didn't exactly turn the world into Fallout 3. I'm pretty sure almost nobody goes to buy a new TV and DOESN'T buy a widescreen HD TV. Once they get used to watching shows in HD they will realize (as many already have) that DVD's look like crap compared to HD and when they wonder where their favorite movie is in HD...it'll be on bluray with lots of low cost players available and movies reaching dvd-esque price levels. Sony is positioning themselves to catch this boom the minute it happens. Its already started. You can't use past failures to predict future failues. Just ask Nintendo how that worked out for them.
[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="MarloStanfield"] SONY tried to evolve with formats as you can see, but not all of them can work. BR is working and going to evolve to replace DVD.S3CR3T_SPY2
it's not though, you really should read up on it. things are looking pretty dismal given the current economic downturn. they've been pushing it during the holidays for 3 years now with mixed to poor results. if this Xmas isn't a hit for BR it's lights out as far as it being the new dominant format. you can only spend money on marketing for so long if it doesn't turn in to sales. Economic this...Economic that...I'm getting a raise in 2009. Bla bla bla! BR is going to take over DVD! HDTV's are cheaper. Deals are better. Get over your NY Times and the system scaring people with economics! It's not the first economic crisis we went thru.
I don't know if people realize that nobody is really selling CRT TVs anymore. Not everyone in the world knows about high def, but so what - when they go to store they're going to have make a decision. When technology takes a step forward, it always takes society at least 3 years to catch on. (There are alot of stupid people out there.) What we're expiriencing is a natural progression to a new technology. I remember back in like 99-2001 when a movie would come out, it would be released on both VHS and DVD. 8 years later, everyone has a DVD player in their house. This is the EXACT SAME THING. History is repeating itself. In 8 years or less, everyone will have a Blu Ray player in their house.
[QUOTE="S3CR3T_SPY2"][QUOTE="TREAL_Since"] The RAM is fine considering the Cell is a very powerful chip (new architecture was a challenge for devs though). Sony's main problem game wise is: 1.) Manufacturing the Cell along with IBM and Toshiba without gaming (programming) in mind as the main use. 2.) Advertising. While they are great at it, they don't do it enough.TREAL_Since
Imagine CELL + RSX + 1G RAM. They could use even more textures and use BR to it's fullest! That would be insane lol! The PS3 is already showing it can produce amazing looking games, but that would be even more amazing. I think they will keep the Cell for the PS4 and add more RAM and a better GPU.
I think its already been stated that it will indeed use a varient of the Cell Processor in the PS4. You need not worry.
[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="S3CR3T_SPY2"] Imagine CELL + RSX + 1G RAM. They could use even more textures and use BR to it's fullest!Blackbond
That would be insane lol! The PS3 is already showing it can produce amazing looking games, but that would be even more amazing. I think they will keep the Cell for the PS4 and add more RAM and a better GPU.
I think its already been stated that it will indeed use a varient of the Cell Processor in the PS4. You need not worry.
Yeah, but I'm not sure if that was a Sony source or pure speculation. But it makes sense! If Sony dropped BR and the Cell next gen I will definitely question their judgment.
If games weren't using installs then I could agree to Blu-Ray's benifit to gaming for PS3. But since so many games use installations why does it even need Blu-Ray for games? PC doesn't use Blu-Ray. DVD9 + Install works for PC and it would have worked for PS3 too had it been DVD9 equipped. Blu-Ray plus mandatory installs just seems pointless use of the Blu-Ray disc.
If games weren't using installs then I could agree to Blu-Ray's benifit to gaming for PS3. But since so many games use installations why does it even need Blu-Ray for games? PC doesn't use Blu-Ray. DVD9 + Install works for PC and it would have worked for PS3 too had it been DVD9 equipped. Blu-Ray plus mandatory installs just seems pointless use of the Blu-Ray disc.Blackbond
Devs initially needed a way to get around programming for the Cell, so they took full advantage of the standard HDD. It's not that BR isn't a benefit, the Cell was a hinderance for game programming. Therefore BR isn't utilized like it can be. But thankfully more devs are becoming familiar with it. Sony should share/sell their kits and engine technology to other devs (if they haven't begun to).
[QUOTE="Blackbond"]If games weren't using installs then I could agree to Blu-Ray's benifit to gaming for PS3. But since so many games use installations why does it even need Blu-Ray for games? PC doesn't use Blu-Ray. DVD9 + Install works for PC and it would have worked for PS3 too had it been DVD9 equipped. Blu-Ray plus mandatory installs just seems pointless use of the Blu-Ray disc.TREAL_Since
Devs initially needed a way to get around programming for the Cell, so they took full advantage of the standard HDD. It's not that BR isn't a benefit, the Cell was a hinderance for game programming. Therefore BR isn't utilized like it can be. But thankfully more devs are becoming familiar with it. Sony should share/sell their kits and engine technology to other devs (if they haven't begun to). Yeah, 1st party games like R2, Uncharted, and even Killzone 2 don't use installs. I think some devs were lazy/inefficient, but still, that's not an excuse for the Cell's complexity.
[QUOTE="TREAL_Since"][QUOTE="Blackbond"]If games weren't using installs then I could agree to Blu-Ray's benifit to gaming for PS3. But since so many games use installations why does it even need Blu-Ray for games? PC doesn't use Blu-Ray. DVD9 + Install works for PC and it would have worked for PS3 too had it been DVD9 equipped. Blu-Ray plus mandatory installs just seems pointless use of the Blu-Ray disc.Episode_Eve
Devs initially needed a way to get around programming for the Cell, so they took full advantage of the standard HDD. It's not that BR isn't a benefit, the Cell was a hinderance for game programming. Therefore BR isn't utilized like it can be. But thankfully more devs are becoming familiar with it. Sony should share/sell their kits and engine technology to other devs (if they haven't begun to). Yeah, 1st party games like R2, Uncharted, and even Killzone 2 don't use installs. I think some devs were lazy/inefficient, but still, that's not an excuse for the Cell's complexity. Sony did somewhat drop the ball with the Cell. But they have started to dribble again and are now performing tricks with it.
[QUOTE="S3CR3T_SPY2"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"] it's not though, you really should read up on it. things are looking pretty dismal given the current economic downturn. they've been pushing it during the holidays for 3 years now with mixed to poor results. if this Xmas isn't a hit for BR it's lights out as far as it being the new dominant format. you can only spend money on marketing for so long if it doesn't turn in to sales.Bread_or_Decide
Economic this...Economic that...I'm getting a raise in 2009. Bla bla bla! BR is going to take over DVD! HDTV's are cheaper. Deals are better. Get over your NY Times and the system scaring people with economics! It's not the first economic crisis we went thru. Escapist entertainment always wins out in bad economic times. Movies. Games. These things do really well. People want to escape. A million people escaped into the dark knight on bluray this week. So much for a dead format performing poorly eh? you really don't get it do you? nearly all of those sales are from PS3 owners. the problem is the PS3 is the ONLY driving element for BR right now. seriously, do yourself a favor and read all the doomspelling articles about BR from Financial Time, NYT, Time, Forbes, etc. you can't drive an optical format on 1 machine that can't push enough units to warrant ceasing DVD production.... get some perspective and stop thinking that 1 million DK copies mean anything other than -- 'omg, lots of PS3 owners like the joker'.
[QUOTE="Blackbond"]If games weren't using installs then I could agree to Blu-Ray's benifit to gaming for PS3. But since so many games use installations why does it even need Blu-Ray for games? PC doesn't use Blu-Ray. DVD9 + Install works for PC and it would have worked for PS3 too had it been DVD9 equipped. Blu-Ray plus mandatory installs just seems pointless use of the Blu-Ray disc.TREAL_Since
Devs initially needed a way to get around programming for the Cell, so they took full advantage of the standard HDD. It's not that BR isn't a benefit, the Cell was a hinderance for game programming. Therefore BR isn't utilized like it can be. But thankfully more devs are becoming familiar with it. Sony should share/sell their kits and engine technology to other devs (if they haven't begun to).
I thought it was the slow Blu-Ray speeds?
Regardless of which if game installs are there DVD9 would have sufficed much in the same way it does on the PC. Infact in the same exact way.
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