Can we officially say that the Disc Swapping argument is dead?

You remember this pic right?

MGS4 being the posters child for every PS3 justification - One being Blu-ray's extensive space for long cinematic cutscenes and massive worlds. This was a funny pic because it was often ridiculed on 360 that the DVD just wouldn't support a game like MGS4.

So then MGS4 releases:

Start-up: 8 Minutes
Act 2: 3 Minutes
Act 3: 3 Minutes
Act 4: 2 Minutes
Act 5: 1 Minute

Now I personally don't care about installs, I'm a PC gamer, but wouldn't a 5 sec Disc swap would of been faster and less painful than a 3 minute install? The only legitimate argument against discswapping are interruptions between gameplay. Sure an intermission between ACTs was a good break because they all had a sense of closure, But thats what Pro-discswappers have been arguing:

A developer making a "Good" game isn't going to make you change a disc like, right before a boss fight. They would end the disc off, similar to the ACTs in MGS4.

Mypoint: if you're ok with MGS4 installs, then you're ok with Disc swapping and vice versa.

Note: Benefits of BR VS DVD are not the focal point of this thread, so just stay off the topic.

I don't mind swapping disks. I'm not that lazy.

I don't mind swapping disks. I'm not that lazy.

FFCYAN

The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(PandaBear86

I agree, because if I lose or scratch my 1-disc games, it doesn't affect the whole game at all.

[QUOTE="FFCYAN"]

I don't mind swapping disks. I'm not that lazy.

killzowned24

Meh, I'd rather have one disc and do multiple installs than disc swap any day. And yes, you can easily ruin or lose a disc game, but with a multi-disc game...there are more chances! :P Especially with the way Lost Odyssey had those discs stuck in that sleeve.

Next gen consoles need multiple drives.

Of course its not dead, Disc Swapping is so last gen, like rumble.

P.S. Disk means magnetic media and disc means optical media.

Of course its not dead, Disc Swapping is so last gen, like rumble.

P.S. Disk means magnetic media and disc means optical media.

Nagidar

[QUOTE="killzowned24"]Disc swapping sucks. delta3074

You can still enjoy those games and think that disc swapping sucks. :|

This thread makes the assumption that Disc Swapping is the benefit to Blu-Ray.

The industry supports DVDrom, so Blu-Ray's benefits have been relegated to "Lack of Disc Swapping", but there is more to this issue.

Disc Swapping was never the heart of the argument.

TC, for all you know, if MGS4 was on 360 (assuming it were possible), the game may have needed to install and disc swap.

The issues aren't related.

The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(PandaBear86

:lol: that's the first time i've seen that.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(Blue-Sky

I agree, because if I lose or scratch my 1-disc games, it doesn't affect the whole game at all.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(PandaBear86

I agree, because if I lose or scratch my 1-disc games, it doesn't affect the whole game at all.

I don't mind disc swapping at all. Not sure why this was an argument to begin with. I've been swapping discs for over 10 years now. killerfist

[QUOTE="killerfist"]I don't mind disc swapping at all. Not sure why this was an argument to begin with. I've been swapping discs for over 10 years now. PandaBear86

[QUOTE="killerfist"]I don't mind disc swapping at all. Not sure why this was an argument to begin with. I've been swapping discs for over 10 years now. PandaBear86

What part of a 10 minute install isn't annoying to you? :| The very fact people bash disc swapping in favour of installs is out right crazy, it's a step back not forward. You've gone from a 5 second annoyance to a 10 minute pain in the behind.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="killerfist"]I don't mind disc swapping at all. Not sure why this was an argument to begin with. I've been swapping discs for over 10 years now. CreepyBacon

What part of a 10 minute install isn't annoying to you? :| The very fact people bash disc swapping in favour of installs is out right crazy, it's a step back not forward. You've gone from a 5 second annoyance to a 10 minute pain in the behind.

I don't have a problem with swapping but I'd rather go without it. I don't know about the rest of you, but I used the install times for a bathroom break. :P

[QUOTE="killerfist"]I don't mind disc swapping at all. Not sure why this was an argument to begin with. I've been swapping discs for over 10 years now. PandaBear86

wow TC has skill. He just spun this thread into a "why isn't mgs4 on 360" thread. LOL.

[QUOTE="killerfist"]I don't mind disc swapping at all. Not sure why this was an argument to begin with. I've been swapping discs for over 10 years now. PandaBear86

Seems like the #1 reason people don't like disc swapping is because they're afraid it'll get scratched? Seems like a silly reason. Doesn't anyone take care of their discs anymore? :) Step one take out disc and insert other disc. Step two, place first disc back in original case----Tada!!! Less than 30 seconds.

The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(PandaBear86

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"][QUOTE="killerfist"]I don't mind disc swapping at all. Not sure why this was an argument to begin with. I've been swapping discs for over 10 years now. IronBass

But you have to admit that one disc is more convenient, right? I don't mind disc swapping, but one disc (with the same content) is much easier to use.killerfist

[QUOTE="killerfist"] But you have to admit that one disc is more convenient, right? I don't mind disc swapping, but one disc (with the same content) is much easier to use.IronBass

What is a GTA5 Came out, and it was to big for a standard 360 disk? disk swapping would be very hard to implement in sand-box gamesFaulttt

Wrong. You just put the world hub on both discs and then divide the missions, dialogue etc. between the discs. In fact this is the norm and has been since the PS1 days.

[QUOTE="Faulttt"]What is a GTA5 Came out, and it was to big for a standard 360 disk? disk swapping would be very hard to implement in sand-box gameswhatisazerg

Wrong. You just put the world hub on both discs and then divide the missions, dialogue etc. between the discs. In fact this is the norm and has been since the PS1 days.

You remember this pic right?

MGS4 being the posters child for every PS3 justification - One being Blu-ray's extensive space for long cinematic cutscenes and massive worlds. This was a funny pic because it was often ridiculed on 360 that the DVD just wouldn't support a game like MGS4.

So then MGS4 releases:

Start-up: 8 Minutes
Act 2: 3 Minutes
Act 3: 3 Minutes
Act 4: 2 Minutes
Act 5: 1 Minute

Now I personally don't care about installs, I'm a PC gamer, but wouldn't a 5 sec Disc swap would of been faster and less painful than a 3 minute install? The only legitimate argument against discswapping are interruptions between gameplay. Sure an intermission between ACTs was a good break because they all had a sense of closure, But thats what Pro-discswappers have been arguing:

A developer making a "Good" game isn't going to make you change a disc like, right before a boss fight. They would end the disc off, similar to the ACTs in MGS4.

Mypoint: if you're ok with MGS4 installs, then you're ok with Disc swapping and vice versa.

Note: Benefits of BR VS DVD are not the focal point of this thread, so just stay off the topic.

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(Blue-Sky

I agree, because if I lose or scratch my 1-disc games, it doesn't affect the whole game at all.

[QUOTE="Blue-Sky"]

[QUOTE="PandaBear86"]The real problem with disc swapping is you can easily lose or scratch one disc and the whole game is affected. My disc 2 of Blue Dragon won't load properly despite the fact that it has no scratches and I took good care of it... :(bdum_pshhh

I agree, because if I lose or scratch my 1-disc games, it doesn't affect the whole game at all.

Seems like the #1 reason people don't like disc swapping is because they're afraid it'll get scratched? Seems like a silly reason. Doesn't anyone take care of their discs anymore? :) Step one take out disc and insert other disc. Step two, place first disc back in original case----Tada!!! Less than 30 seconds.

feryl06

[QUOTE="feryl06"]

Seems like the #1 reason people don't like disc swapping is because they're afraid it'll get scratched? Seems like a silly reason. Doesn't anyone take care of their discs anymore? :) Step one take out disc and insert other disc. Step two, place first disc back in original case----Tada!!! Less than 30 seconds.

killzowned24